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hist_text-digest      Tuesday, December 28 1999      Volume 01 : Number 435



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-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not for discussion
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not  fordiscussion
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not fordiscussion
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not for  discussion
-áááááá MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not  fordiscussion
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not fordiscussion
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not fordiscussion
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: GW, A&E, CA, and closure?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: GW, A&E, CA, and closure?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: over-trapping
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fw: Address Request
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Santa Fe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: GW, A&E, CA, and closure?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Help for Sheepskins? also an off-topic idea
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Santa Fe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--notfordiscussion
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:46:39 GMT
From: "John Dearing" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not for discussion

>I think we need to keep our discussion to history. Why do people
>constantly go way off topic. If you have nothing to contribute to
>American history, particularly the fur trade. go elsewhere!!!! Check out
>our new web site at

>http://www.dteworld.com/absarokawesterndesign/
>We have great home tanning kits based on 20 years experience
>New leather wildlife coasters and placemats at wholesale prices
>
And your add for tanning kits, wildlife coaters, and place matts has
something to do with history? Do you have documentation for those coasters,
and place matts? <BG>

Judge not lest Ye be judged.
J.D.
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:46:55 -0600
From: "Texan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not  fordiscussion

>At 10:23 PM -0500 12/27/99, tom roberts wrote:
>
>>Just like the example of a too-powerful federal government
>>disarming state militias, so to, a too-powerful state government
>>could easily become misled into thinking that the disarming of
>>citizens is the right thing to do.

David Woodbury replies:
>
>I suppose that's possible. I don't know of anything in the U.S.
>Constitution that would prevent it. But of course if it came to that,
>it would only be through the legislation of a representative
>government, and representative government is one of the true
>strengths of this country. That said, I can't even imagine a state
>like California passing such restrictive legislation.
>


The following is from TSRA Sportsman- "Journal of The Texas
State Rifle Association" Sept/Oct 1999

"The state attorney general for California recently dropped his
predecessor's
appeal of a lawsuit over gun registration, clearing the way for the state to
order
of about 1,600 guns to surrender them to law enforcement officials.

Attorney General Bill Lockyer plans to ask the Legislature to provide
funding to compensate owners who turn in the weapons, valued at
$750 to-$1,500 each.

A June 1989 state law prohibited the sale and possession of 62 models
of military-style firearms, but let residents who owned those types of guns
at that time keep them if they registered them with the state by March 30,
1992.

Lockyer's predeccessor, Dan Hungren, let people who owned the guns before
June
register them without prosecution or confiscation after the 1992 deadline.

Handgun Control and the Center to Prevent Hangun Violence won a ruling from
San Fransico judge in 1997 that any registration of the banned weapons after
March 1992 was invalid.  Hungren appealed the decision.
 Sam Paredes, deputy director of Gun Owners of California accused Lockyer
 of going after owners who registered in good faith.  " It is unreasonable
to have
 citizens who tried to obey the law and who followed the directions of the
attorney general to be forced to surrender their guns.
That is ridiculous, " Paredes said." (end of article)


Any involvement in gun registration, monitering, requirments testing,
training, etc.,
is NOT a legitimate function of government as defined by our forefathers
who wrote the Constitution. What is happening in California is evidence
of what is called encroachment, which has as its eventual goal the law
abiding
citizen being completely disarmed.

There is a saying: As California goes, so goes the rest of the
nation.  Not in this case.  I dare say that this could not happen
in Texas.  As was recently mentioned to me, there is nothing as
so dangerous as a riled Texican.

Victoria Pate
Riled Texican


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:54:54 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not fordiscussion

Come on, as easy as it is to hit the delete
>button, I still am tired of non historical B.S. I am sure many people
>have given up on this email due to all the crap and chit chat.
>Joe


Joe, this IS history.  This is WHY we are able to go shooting on weekends,
etc....
Ease up....

Ad Miller


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:15:47 -0800
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not for  discussion

John Dearing wrote:

> And your add for tanning kits, wildlife coaters, and place matts has
> something to do with history? Do you have documentation for those coasters,
> and place matts? <BG>

John and friends,

John has a good point here and I hope all involved understand that it
was extended in all good humor. But for my money I see nothing wrong
with continuing the discussion in this venue provided........

What our founding fathers had to say about the Constitution and Bill of
Rights is surely of historical interest to us. If we can keep the
discussion to that vein and not let modern politics enter in then I say
have at it. The time frame is surely appropriate. I see no restrictions
on time frame other than early American History.

I happen to agree with John's basic point concerning what was meant when
the Bill of Rights and Constitution were first born in the minds of men
and why it was written down the way it was and even more importantly,
why it was written down in the first place and not just left unsaid as a
"given". A civil but learned and lively discussion of such could
enlighten some and perhaps give rise to a better understanding of why
some folks are a bit paranoid about what our present government seems to
be doing. (I don't see them as sinister plotters but rather misguided in
their search for problems that plague our society today). I vote to
charge the battlements! I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:52:42 -0500
From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

hi all;
Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>

I have a friend that is in desperate need of a large
quantity
of both black and white rabbit skins...  He used to do
Tandy...
we all know where they went. [smiles]

any url's that I might send him too to buy?

thanks in advance
Anne MacDonnald


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:27:18 -0800
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

Anne MacDonnald wrote:
>
> hi all;
> Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>

Anne,

Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as easy to
put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon Leather,
Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:07:52 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

Or to Zack White. Good prices - good quality - fast service.

Bill C.
- -----Original Message-----
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur


>
>
>Anne MacDonnald wrote:
>>
>> hi all;
>> Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>
>
>Anne,
>
>Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as easy to
>put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon Leather,
>Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:22:38 -0800
From: David Woodbury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not  fordiscussion

At 1:46 PM -0600 12/28/99, Texan wrote:
>Lockyer's predeccessor, Dan Hungren, let people who owned the guns before
>June register them without prosecution or confiscation after the
>1992 deadline.

Don't know who's writing for the  "Journal of The Texas State Rifle
Association," but I wonder about the accuracy of the article in
general when the names of the two principal individuals (California
state attorney generals) are incorrect throughout. It's Bill
Lockyear, and Dan Lundgren. But anyway, I don't see the point.
Nothing in that article suggests that California is trying to
universally disarm the state's legal gun owners.

>Any involvement in gun registration, monitering, requirments testing,
>training, etc.,
>is NOT a legitimate function of government as defined by our forefathers
>who wrote the Constitution.

If you could find one thing in the Constitution that forbid such
legislation, I might agree with you. As it was intended, the
Constitution is a living document which made provisions for
successive generations to modify and interpret (hence *amendments,*
including the 2nd). Since these powers are not prohibited in the
Constitution, and since the Federal government is not delegated that
power by the Constitution, presumably they are powers reserved by the
States themselves. Nothing in the California state constitution
forbids the legislature from passing gun control legislation.

>What is happening in California is evidence
>of what is called encroachment, which has as its eventual goal the law
>abiding
>citizen being completely disarmed.

With all due respect, I think that is absurd. The simple fact is,
most citizens just do not feel it's necessary that everyone have
access to serious military hardware.

>There is a saying: As California goes, so goes the rest of the
>nation.  Not in this case.  I dare say that this could not happen
>in Texas.

What could not happen in Texas?

David


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:43:51 -0800
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not fordiscussion

It is NOT "Bill Lockyear".  He is Bill Lockyer!!!!

Sort of puts Your accuracy into question....using, of course, your test for
accuracy.

John Funk


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From: David Woodbury <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not
fordiscussion


> At 1:46 PM -0600 12/28/99, Texan wrote:
> >Lockyer's predeccessor, Dan Hungren, let people who owned the guns before
> >June register them without prosecution or confiscation after the
> >1992 deadline.
>
> Don't know who's writing for the  "Journal of The Texas State Rifle
> Association," but I wonder about the accuracy of the article in
> general when the names of the two principal individuals (California
> state attorney generals) are incorrect throughout. It's Bill
> Lockyear, and Dan Lundgren. But anyway, I don't see the point.
> Nothing in that article suggests that California is trying to
> universally disarm the state's legal gun owners.
>
> >Any involvement in gun registration, monitering, requirments testing,
> >training, etc.,
> >is NOT a legitimate function of government as defined by our forefathers
> >who wrote the Constitution.
>
> If you could find one thing in the Constitution that forbid such
> legislation, I might agree with you. As it was intended, the
> Constitution is a living document which made provisions for
> successive generations to modify and interpret (hence *amendments,*
> including the 2nd). Since these powers are not prohibited in the
> Constitution, and since the Federal government is not delegated that
> power by the Constitution, presumably they are powers reserved by the
> States themselves. Nothing in the California state constitution
> forbids the legislature from passing gun control legislation.
>
> >What is happening in California is evidence
> >of what is called encroachment, which has as its eventual goal the law
> >abiding
> >citizen being completely disarmed.
>
> With all due respect, I think that is absurd. The simple fact is,
> most citizens just do not feel it's necessary that everyone have
> access to serious military hardware.
>
> >There is a saying: As California goes, so goes the rest of the
> >nation.  Not in this case.  I dare say that this could not happen
> >in Texas.
>
> What could not happen in Texas?
>
> David
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:28:55 -0800
From: David Woodbury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not fordiscussion

At 4:43 PM -0800 12/28/99, John C. Funk, Jr. wrote:

>It is NOT "Bill Lockyear".  He is Bill Lockyer!!!!
>
>Sort of puts Your accuracy into question....using, of course, your test for
>accuracy.
>
>John Funk


John,
     Yes, I made a mistake. It's often listed as Lockyear, and I'm
surprised it's not, to tell you the truth. You probably noticed,
however, that there is no former Attorney General Bill Hungren. My
point remains, as I said: "...anyway, I don't see the point. Nothing
in that article suggests that California is trying to universally
disarm the state's legal gun owners."

David


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:39:25 -0500
From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: GW, A&E, CA, and closure?

And a disease is not always correctly diagnosed from the early symptom.
I think even old George may have had his fill on this topic <G>

Tom

David Woodbury wrote:John,

> Nothing in that article suggests that California is trying to universally
> disarm the state's legal gun owners."
>
> David


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:51:47 -0800
From: David Woodbury <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: GW, A&E, CA, and closure?

At 8:39 PM -0500 12/28/99, tom roberts wrote:
>And a disease is not always correctly diagnosed from the early symptom.

But mostly likely the original diagnosis was arose from a rational,
calculated examination, as opposed to wild speculation.

In the case at hand, someone has seen what they think is a symptom,
and went straight to a diagnosis of terminal cancer.

David


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:19:07 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over-trapping

Steve ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>    Thanks for the information about the HBC's intention about the attempt to
create a "fur desert."  I don't know much about the Canadian operations.  I
guess that HBC wanted to eliminate the competition through destruction of its
competitor's fur sources?  That seems pretty short-sighted.  <<

Apparently, the idea was that the HBC would get lots of fur in the short
term, improving their bottom line, and get rid of the competition from the
troublesome Mountain Men by denying them any profits from the Snake River
basin. In the longer term, I suppose furs from other areas would subsidize
the HBC's Columbia District posts until the beaver recovered in the Snake
River valley. Perhaps somebody else has more info on this subject? I'm
afraid it's out of my main research area.

>>Stephen Covey's Seven-Habits of Highly Effective People talks about
people who are "Win-Lose" in their attitudes toward others.  The believe that
in order for them to "win" that someone else has to lose.  I guess that HBC
operated from that stance.<<
They had to--they'd spent the entire period from ~1812 to 1822 in
near-warfare with their North West Company rivals. This period gives the
term "hostile takeover" new meaning. The NWC & its Metis (half-breed) allies
were directly responsible for the deaths of 20 HBC men & allies in the fight
at Seven Oaks, Manitoba, as well as the deaths by starvation of a dozen or
so HBC men in the Athabasca area (N. Alberta & Saskatchewan), under John
Clarke. Both sides took prisoners in a number of other incidents. After the
two companies merged in 1821, the toughest NWC employees were put into key
management positions in the newly-reorganized HBC. Some NWC "bullies" were
later transferred to the HBC's Columbia district: Samuel Black, Dr. John
McLoughlin, Finan McDonald, and Peter Skene Ogden, to name a few.

>> I know that Canada did a much better job about later settlement
issues in their West than did the U.S. in ours, but really don't know much
about the earlier development and exploration.  Can you recommend a book
which I should read?<<
For an introduction to the Canadian fur trade, 1774-1869, I recommend :
Newman, Peter C. _Caesars of the Wilderness_. Viking : Markham, Ontario,
1987. ISBN 0-670-80967-5. This book is also available in paperback, and is a
fairly easy read.
For Canadian history in general, I suggest:
Brown, Craig (ed.). _The Illustrated History of Canada_. Make sure to get
the 2d edition; the first edition has many errors which were corrected
later. Each chapter is written by a different historian knowledgeable on
that period.

These books are both in print. If you can't find these books in your local
library or bookstore, a couple of reputable Canadian online bookstores are
www.chapters.ca and www.indigo.ca--they're the online arms of large chains.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:34:01 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Address Request

>=20
> Will you please forward this request to the A.M.M. list and the Drudy =
history=20
> list.
>=20
> I am trying to locate a telephone number or an address for Fred R. =
Gowans,=20
> author of Rocky Mountain Rendezvous.
>=20
> Thanks for your help.
> I may be reached at [e-mail]
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:47:02 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Santa Fe

I'm going thru Santa Fe in the morning on the way back to CA and does anyone
on the list here know of a place in town, or maybe Albuquerque that has a
good selection of serapes, aka the blanket poncho thing that Clint wore in
the spaghetti westerns?

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:50:18 -0800
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: GW, A&E, CA, and closure?

A good analogy....
John


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To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: GW, A&E, CA, and closure?


> At 8:39 PM -0500 12/28/99, tom roberts wrote:
> >And a disease is not always correctly diagnosed from the early symptom.
>
> But mostly likely the original diagnosis was arose from a rational,
> calculated examination, as opposed to wild speculation.
>
> In the case at hand, someone has seen what they think is a symptom,
> and went straight to a diagnosis of terminal cancer.
>
> David
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:23:53 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Help for Sheepskins? also an off-topic idea

wonder if 100% pure neatsfoot oil would work good in it? [rub-in 3
generous but not excessive coatings, 24-48 hours between each coat?].

A&E's version of Washington should ask all responsible,
clear-conscience, law-abiding, liberty-loving citizenry 18 years and
above to become life members in the NRA in this the 224th year of
freedom in The Beloved Republic.

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:27:13 -0500
From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

Hi Cap, he is in the wilds of Ohio I think, some horridly cold place like
that.   Thought to dig up some of my buckskinning url's but not sure
exactly where to send him... at this point all I know is that he needs the
stuff asap.  Some sort of Valentine Day project.
thanks in advance...

R Lahti wrote:

> Anne MacDonnald wrote:
> >
> > hi all;
> > Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>
>
> Anne,
>
> Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as easy to
> put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon Leather,
> Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:30:17 -0500
From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

Great guys, but addresses, url's and/or phones numbers would be most
excellent.  {huge smiles}  me? I wait for the Alafia and do
Spotted Pony.  thanks  and it is only something like 3 weeks till the
Alafia..
anne

Bill Cunningham wrote:

> Or to Zack White. Good prices - good quality - fast service.
>
> Bill C.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
>
> >
> >
> >Anne MacDonnald wrote:
> >>
> >> hi all;
> >> Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>
> >
> >Anne,
> >
> >Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as easy to
> >put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon Leather,
> >Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
> >
> >YMOS
> >Capt. Lahti'
> >
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:44:46 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Santa Fe

Down on the old town square there is an antique shop upstairs (or used to
be) that often sells what are actually museum pieces for very low prices
considering - or you might buy one of the surplus Italian wool army blankets
(with the Texas star) from Sportsmans Guide and make one. You can also get
it from Ray Glazner (Images of the Past)for about 20.00 I think.
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To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Santa Fe


>I'm going thru Santa Fe in the morning on the way back to CA and does
anyone
>on the list here know of a place in town, or maybe Albuquerque that has a
>good selection of serapes, aka the blanket poncho thing that Clint wore in
>the spaghetti westerns?
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:46:57 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

Someone else who has lots of rabbit furs for sale is Tree (AMM) down in
Wichita Falls TX. I don't have his phone or address handy, but he usually
has a ton or so of the things on hand and will ship.
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From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur


>Hi Cap, he is in the wilds of Ohio I think, some horridly cold place like
>that.   Thought to dig up some of my buckskinning url's but not sure
>exactly where to send him... at this point all I know is that he needs the
>stuff asap.  Some sort of Valentine Day project.
>thanks in advance...
>
>R Lahti wrote:
>
>> Anne MacDonnald wrote:
>> >
>> > hi all;
>> > Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>
>>
>> Anne,
>>
>> Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as easy to
>> put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon Leather,
>> Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
>>
>> YMOS
>> Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:50:13 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

Zack White + 1515 Main Street Ramseur, NC 27316   1-800-535-0918

Spotted Pony 7373 St. Francis St Louisville OH 44641 [phone] -or-
Hawthorne FL [phone]
- -----Original Message-----
From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur


>Great guys, but addresses, url's and/or phones numbers would be most
>excellent.  {huge smiles}  me? I wait for the Alafia and do
>Spotted Pony.  thanks  and it is only something like 3 weeks till the
>Alafia..
>anne
>
>Bill Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Or to Zack White. Good prices - good quality - fast service.
>>
>> Bill C.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 2:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >Anne MacDonnald wrote:
>> >>
>> >> hi all;
>> >> Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>
>> >
>> >Anne,
>> >
>> >Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as easy to
>> >put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon Leather,
>> >Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
>> >
>> >YMOS
>> >Capt. Lahti'
>> >
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:42:18 -0600
From: farseer <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--notfordiscussion

Point of clarification:
ownership of a fully automatic Uzi, Ak-47, Thompson et al requires a Class
III FFL, most of the general populace does not hold such.  Ownership of this
type of firearm without said permit is illegal already, and has been so
since 1968.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Wayne & Terri
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 9:45 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert
> only--notfordiscussion
>
>
> Gentlemen,
>
> I do firmly believe in the 2nd amendment.  I do also believe that the
> government should regulate weapons to a point.  I will clarify.  I do not
> believe that we the people should require the people to register their
> weapons but should regulate on who sells and makes the weapons,
> mostly type
> of weapons.
>
> I don't believe the everyday person should need the automatic
> weapon such as
> the AK 47 or the Usi or the Thompson 45 machine gun.  I just
> don't think we
> need something like that.  If there is a need for the weapon then go get a
> permit for it.  I don't believe the permit should be one that would keep a
> person from getting it, just a permit that tells the government
> who owns it.
> If you need such a weapon.
>
> I can speak of some of the folks in my neck of the woods.  We
> have a mix bag
> of guns, ranging from a 22 to a 30.06, 30-30, 12 gauge, 9 mm, and assorted
> black powder.  We do get a few "nuts" that come out here from the
> city that
> have to bring automatic weapons out to just shoot the living hell out of a
> dumped car.  Shooting up a thousand rounds or so of ammo in an
> hour for just
> a kick.  What is the use is this?  All it does for us, is disturb
> the woods
> on a weekend and make the women folk nervous about letting the kids run in
> the woods.  They could go to a gun range but obviously they are illegal or
> to cheap to do this.
>
> The average American should be required to take a weapons use
> course.  Where
> they are instructed with the use of a handgun and a rifle.  This
> should be a
> introductory course just so if some one comes across a gun
> somewhere that is
> unattended they could render it harmless by setting the safety
> and unloading
> it with out getting shot or shooting someone.
>
>
> I know I may be stating the obvious and then again I may be trying to
> simplify the situation.  but if more people know about weapons
> then the less
> afraid of the weapon they will be.
>
> I have been on the soap box to long.
>
> A brother
>
> Wayne
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:44:05 -0500
From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

can you scare it up... i would greatly appreciate it. thanks anne

Bill Cunningham wrote:

> Someone else who has lots of rabbit furs for sale is Tree (AMM) down in
> Wichita Falls TX. I don't have his phone or address handy, but he usually
> has a ton or so of the things on hand and will ship.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
>
> >Hi Cap, he is in the wilds of Ohio I think, some horridly cold place like
> >that.   Thought to dig up some of my buckskinning url's but not sure
> >exactly where to send him... at this point all I know is that he needs the
> >stuff asap.  Some sort of Valentine Day project.
> >thanks in advance...
> >
> >R Lahti wrote:
> >
> >> Anne MacDonnald wrote:
> >> >
> >> > hi all;
> >> > Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>
> >>
> >> Anne,
> >>
> >> Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as easy to
> >> put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon Leather,
> >> Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
> >>
> >> YMOS
> >> Capt. Lahti'
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