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hist_text-digest     Wednesday, December 29 1999     Volume 01 : Number 436



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá MtMan-List: Rabbit Fur
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá MtMan-List: Aphishamores ???
-áááááá Fwd: MtMan-List: Rabbit Fur Tree Wood # correction
-áááááá MtMan-List: Pine bough beds
-áááááá MtMan-List: Change the topic line
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not fordiscussion
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:  TREE WOOD"S PHONE NOMBER
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: dead horse gun discussion
-áááááá MtMan-List: las vegas rendezvous (fwd)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: las vegas rendezvous (fwd)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: dead horse gun discussion
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: over-trapping
-áááááá MtMan-List: Coffee grinders
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee grinders
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Coffee grinders
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Aphishamores ???
-áááááá MtMan-List: Char Cloth
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Char Cloth
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Fw: Address Request
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Aphishamores ???

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:49:33 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

Spotted Pony is THE best!!!  Been buying from them for 9 years...

Ad Miller



me? I wait for the Alafia and do
>Spotted Pony.  thanks  and it is only something like 3 weeks till the
>Alafia..
>anne
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:53:16 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rabbit Fur

 The last I knew of Tree Wood, he was moving his stuff
to his home. The last card I have from him, list
 RABBIT FURS $75.00/100.
 His phone # on this card (home) is 940-586-194.
 Wichita Falls TX.


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:02:07 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

Glen (Tree) Wood
PO Box 21
Holiday, Tx  76366
940-586-1943

- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur


> can you scare it up... i would greatly appreciate it. thanks anne
>=20
> Bill Cunningham wrote:
>=20
> > Someone else who has lots of rabbit furs for sale is Tree (AMM) down =
in
> > Wichita Falls TX. I don't have his phone or address handy, but he =
usually
> > has a ton or so of the things on hand and will ship.
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
> >
> > >Hi Cap, he is in the wilds of Ohio I think, some horridly cold =
place like
> > >that.   Thought to dig up some of my buckskinning url's but not =
sure
> > >exactly where to send him... at this point all I know is that he =
needs the
> > >stuff asap.  Some sort of Valentine Day project.
> > >thanks in advance...
> > >
> > >R Lahti wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anne MacDonnald wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > hi all;
> > >> > Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>
> > >>
> > >> Anne,
> > >>
> > >> Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as =
easy to
> > >> put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon =
Leather,
> > >> Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
> > >>
> > >> YMOS
> > >> Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:03:33 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Aphishamores ???

 In Terry C. Johnston's book "Blood Song". book 8 of
the series "THE PLAINSMEN"
 I have found ,
 Aphishamores, the leather and canvas covers for the
pack saddles.
   Aparejos, saddle pads used beneath the mules'
wooden pack frames.
 Just thought I wood pass this along as I raised the
question earlier.
 grn



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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 20:07:15 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: MtMan-List: Rabbit Fur Tree Wood # correction

- --- George Noe <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:53:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
> Subject: MtMan-List: Rabbit Fur
> To: hist_ text <[e-mail]>
> Reply-to: [e-mail]
>
>  The last I knew of Tree Wood, he was moving his
> stuff
> to his home. The last card I have from him, list
>  RABBIT FURS $75.00/100.
>  His phone # on this card (home) is 940-586-1943.
>  Wichita Falls TX.
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:44:31 -0700
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Pine bough beds

Hello the List,

This is a great "window of opportunity" for you to try out the old time pine
bough bed.  Gather up a couple of good bushy Christmas trees, find your self
a place to camp, trim the branches off the tree and you now have the makin's
for a good nights sleep.

Get the branches about 6-8" deep, throw your ground cloth over them, then
your bed roll.  You'll enjoy a wonderful night of sleep, with a nice smell
from the pine boughs.

We've done this in the past and it has worked out great.

YMOS,

Allen Hall in Fort Hall country
Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:44:30 -0700
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Change the topic line

Hello all,

The current "gun control" issue doesn't have much to do with George W.  How
about changing the topic line?

Thanks,

Allen Hall
Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country


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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 04:52:40 GMT
From: "John Dearing" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A & E and George Washington--alert only--not fordiscussion

>But anyway, I don't see the point.
>Nothing in that article suggests that California is trying to
>universally disarm the state's legal gun owners.
>
I do believe the point of this reference was to illustrate how registering
firearms, "just so the government would know who owned them" can be, and was
used to find out where those firearms were, then forced the owners to turn
them in or to become criminals.

Any registration scheme can, and based on recent history, will be used for
the purpose of confiscation.

I do believe the Second Amendment contains the phrase "the right of the
people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", according to the
Thordike Barnhart Dictionary, an infringement is anything that hinders,
violates, encroaches upon, or intrudes upon, in this case, the lawful
ownership of firearms.

That means that the government does not have the legitimate authority to, in
any way, restrict the ownership of firearms to it's law abiding citizens.
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:45:36 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

I don't have it, and don't have a way of getting it. He may be in the phone
book: Glen Wood is Tree's other name. Or there may be someone out there
reading this who can furnish it. I did send the number of Zack White on
another missive.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur


>can you scare it up... i would greatly appreciate it. thanks anne
>
>Bill Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Someone else who has lots of rabbit furs for sale is Tree (AMM) down in
>> Wichita Falls TX. I don't have his phone or address handy, but he usually
>> has a ton or so of the things on hand and will ship.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
>>
>> >Hi Cap, he is in the wilds of Ohio I think, some horridly cold place
like
>> >that.   Thought to dig up some of my buckskinning url's but not sure
>> >exactly where to send him... at this point all I know is that he needs
the
>> >stuff asap.  Some sort of Valentine Day project.
>> >thanks in advance...
>> >
>> >R Lahti wrote:
>> >
>> >> Anne MacDonnald wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > hi all;
>> >> > Not to change the subject or anything... <VBG>
>> >>
>> >> Anne,
>> >>
>> >> Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It may be just as easy to
>> >> put him onto a Leather House like Spokane Leather, Oregon Leather,
>> >> Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
>> >>
>> >> YMOS
>> >> Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:55:55 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:  TREE WOOD"S PHONE NOMBER

   CHECK MY PREVIOUS POST RABBIT FUR
   Glen "Tree" Wood

     940-586-1943 Wichita Falls TX.



- --- Bill Cunningham <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I don't have it, and don't have a way of getting it.
> He may be in the phone
> book: Glen Wood is Tree's other name. Or there may
> be someone out there
> reading this who can furnish it. I did send the
> number of Zack White on
> another missive.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> <[e-mail]>
> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
>
>
> >can you scare it up... i would greatly appreciate
> it. thanks anne
> >
> >Bill Cunningham wrote:
> >
> >> Someone else who has lots of rabbit furs for sale
> is Tree (AMM) down in
> >> Wichita Falls TX. I don't have his phone or
> address handy, but he usually
> >> has a ton or so of the things on hand and will
> ship.
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Anne MacDonnald <[e-mail]>
> >> To: [e-mail]
> <[e-mail]>
> >> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 7:28 PM
> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur
> >>
> >> >Hi Cap, he is in the wilds of Ohio I think, some
> horridly cold place
> like
> >> >that.   Thought to dig up some of my
> buckskinning url's but not sure
> >> >exactly where to send him... at this point all I
> know is that he needs
> the
> >> >stuff asap.  Some sort of Valentine Day project.
> >> >thanks in advance...
> >> >
> >> >R Lahti wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Anne MacDonnald wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > hi all;
> >> >> > Not to change the subject or anything...
> <VBG>
> >> >>
> >> >> Anne,
> >> >>
> >> >> Yea sure. <G> Where is your friend located? It
> may be just as easy to
> >> >> put him onto a Leather House like Spokane
> Leather, Oregon Leather,
> >> >> Moscow Hide and Fur, etc. I remain....
> >> >>
> >> >> YMOS
> >> >> Capt. Lahti'
> >> >>
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:52:51 -0800
From: David Woodbury <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: dead horse gun discussion

At 4:52 AM +0000 12/29/99, John Dearing wrote:
>I do believe the point of this reference was to illustrate how
>registering firearms, "just so the government would know who owned
>them" can be, and was used to find out where those firearms were,
>then forced the owners to turn them in or to become criminals.

Sorry to keep dragging this out, but the "point" of the reference was
the concluding comment in the message to which I responded. Summing
up the reference, Texan said:
      "What is happening in California is evidence
      of what is called encroachment, which has as
      its eventual goal the law abiding citizen being
      completely disarmed."

Incidentally, if I read Texan's excerpt correctly, the only people
being asked to turn in guns were those who already owned these
so-called military style firearms, but who failed to register them in
the 2+ years allotted. Whether or not you agree that the Attorney
General had the authority to tell people they could register them
after that 1992 date (evidently a court disagreed), the fact remains
that the state of California allowed everyone to *keep* their
weapons, except those who failed to meet the extraordinarily generous
deadline (between 1989 and 1992, according to Texan's excerpt).

>Any registration scheme can, and based on recent history, will be
>used for the purpose of confiscation.

Seems to me it is just the opposite. Is there anything you can point
me to which shows a trend toward confiscating the registered weapons
of citizens? The example used here deals with 1,600 guns that the
owners originally failed to register by the deadline (I think the
Johnny-come-latelys did get screwed, but they could easily have
avoided the problem by complying with the law initially). But surely
the millions of registered weapons in this country have remained
legally secure in their owners' possession just as long as they were
legally registered.  What recent history are you referring to
(admittedly, it's not something I follow very closely).

>I do believe the Second Amendment contains the phrase "the right of
>the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", according
>to the Thordike Barnhart Dictionary, an infringement is anything
>that hinders, violates, encroaches upon, or intrudes upon, in this
>case, the lawful ownership of firearms.

And the courts, in light of the *entire* sentence (referencing
militias), have consistently ruled that the amendment in no way
suggests an inalienable personal right for a citizen to possess
whatever weaponry they wish without some legislative constraints.

>That means that the government does not have the legitimate
>authority to, in any way, restrict the ownership of firearms to it's
>law abiding citizens.

That's one interpretation. Just not the one that most courts have arrived at.

David


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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:46:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: las vegas rendezvous (fwd)

Good Day Ladies and Gents

Just a "pass-on" message about a Rendezvous down south.

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: diane talbot <[e-mail]>
Subject: las vegas rendezvous

Rendezvous!

Spring Mountain Free Trappers

Feb 19th- 21st

Cactus Springs NV  (41 mi no. of  Las Vegas on Highway 95)

For more information call Naugamok at [phone]  (booshway)




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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 04:12:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: las vegas rendezvous (fwd)

In a message dated 12/28/1999 11:46:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< For more information call Naugamok at [phone]  (booshway) >>

That'd be me!  Email to "[e-mail]" works too.  Thanks for the "plug"!
 Kindly ask about our doin's off list please.


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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:10:33 EST
From: michael pierce <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: dead horse gun discussion

david and all---look at canada as we speak---nuff said dead horse---not a
subject for the amm chat---

"HAWK"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr
Palm harbor,  florida 34684
E-mail: [e-mail]  web site:
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:43:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over-trapping

Angela,
    THANKS!  I will look for both of those books.   This is really an
exciting period of study, isn't it?

        Yours,
            Steve

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:38:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Coffee grinders

Ho the list,

Just when ya think all the dumb questions have been asked.....

One of the items I got for being a good camper this year is a neat antique
coffee grinder that stills works great.  So.....my question is: How long have
coffee grinders been around...... and how did the Mountain Men grind their
coffee? I've tried using my rifle butt, or hawk, or a rock and wooden bowl,
but there must be a better way.

Hope everyone had a great Christmas, and have a Happy New Year!

Ymos,

Steve

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:08:18 -0800
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee grinders

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Ho the list,
>
> Just when ya think all the dumb questions have been asked.....

Steve,

No dumb questions, just unasked questions.

>
> One of the items I got for being a good camper this year is a neat antique
> coffee grinder that stills works great.  So.....my question is: How long have
> coffee grinders been around......

As long as there's been coffee to grind.

 and how did the Mountain Men grind their
> coffee?

Probably put roasted beans in a sack and pounded them with a hard object
against another hard object or used an antique coffee grinder if someone
hauled it to the Mountains.

I've tried using my rifle butt, or hawk, or a rock and wooden bowl,
> but there must be a better way.

No better way unless you haul the grinder around with you. I personally
don't think that was done but who knows. You want to haul it into camp,
go ahead. <G>

Those that fresh roast their beans in camp just put them in a heavy sack
and pound them with the side of their ax or between two rocks. Anything
else requires you bring a special tool.

Had a great Christmas and am looking forward to a great New Year in the
Mountains! I remain....

YMOS
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:26:06 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Bill Cunningham)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Coffee grinders

It's been a long time since I've really tried to find good data on coffee
during the fur trade, but it seems to me that when I was doing research in
that or adjacent areas, water or tea was the most often mentioned
non-alcoholic beverage. It made sense to me because tea is less bulky to
pack, easier to prepare, and at that time, perhaps more readily available.
Tea was also reputed to have some medicinal properties.
Bill C
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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 10:39 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Coffee grinders


>Ho the list,
>
>Just when ya think all the dumb questions have been asked.....
>
>One of the items I got for being a good camper this year is a neat antique
>coffee grinder that stills works great.  So.....my question is: How long
have
>coffee grinders been around...... and how did the Mountain Men grind their
>coffee? I've tried using my rifle butt, or hawk, or a rock and wooden bowl,
>but there must be a better way.
>
>Hope everyone had a great Christmas, and have a Happy New Year!
>
>Ymos,
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:37:54 -0800
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Aphishamores ???

George Noe wrote:
>=20
>  In Terry C. Johnston's book "Blood Song". book 8 of
> the series "THE PLAINSMEN"
>  I have found ,
>  Aphishamores, the leather and canvas covers for the
> pack saddles.

George,

I've enjoyed Terry's books too but I think he got this one wrong. In
Osborne Russell's "Journal of a Trapper" he mentions many times taking
the apishamores (which is the more common spelling, BTW) and using them
as a base for his bed. Canvas tarps or leather hides used to cover
whatever was on a pack saddle would not offer much insulation from the
cold ground. But what he did use offered that insulation. A saddle pad
or saddle blanket from under his saddle would give reprieve from the
hard ground and would give insulation from the cold below. I found this
definition through the net.

apishamore n : a saddle blanket made of buffalo hide=20
                                                Source: WordNet =AE 1.6, =
=A9
1997 Princeton University

It would be safe to assume that such was made from a buffalo hide with
the hair still on, otherwise it could hardly be called a blanket nor
would it give any padding as saddle blankets of woven construction give.

The definition for aparejos from the same source is as follows.

ap=B7a=B7re=B7jo (p-rh, -r)=20
  n., pl. ap=B7a=B7re=B7jos. Southwestern U.S.=20

       A packsaddle made of a stuffed leather pad.


  [American Spanish from Spanish equipment, from aparejos, to prepare,
from Vulgar Latin
  *appariculre; see apparel.]

This definition implies that the packsaddle was made of stuffed leather
pads rather than just being the pads under the saddle but in practical
use both may be true. Aparejos do seem to be different from apishamores
though in their construction though they both serve the same basic
function.=20

>    Aparejos, saddle pads used beneath the mules'
> wooden pack frames.

So that definition is close but a bit misleading. Hope this clears
things up a bit. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:44:02 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Char Cloth

Ho the list, some time ago ther was a thread about fire making and at
one point some one gave instuctions on how to make char in an oven at
home. I saved this message but at some point deleted it. Can anyone send
this info. again? Contact off list if you want!

Thanx in advance ,
                             Michael Anthony Wolfe Esq.

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:30:54 -0600
From: Jim Lindberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Char Cloth

Gives off alot of smoke, I sure wouldn't do it inside.  I usually do
mine on the "weber."  (outside).

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:40:27 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Fw: Address Request

Fred Gowans
133 E. 1600 N.
Orem,  UT 84057
[phone]

Fred just retired from teaching this year.  He had some heart trouble
recently but seems to have recovered OK.
Regards
Rick
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>
> Will you please forward this request to the A.M.M. list and the Drudy
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> I am trying to locate a telephone number or an address for Fred R. Gowans,
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:51:37 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Aphishamores ???

Regarding these...Dick Patten in his new BOBVIII article talks about using a
buffalo apishemore nad found that they rubbed his horses and mules bad.
Have others found this to be the case nad what do they do instead?
Rick

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 In Terry C. Johnston's book "Blood Song". book 8 of
the series "THE PLAINSMEN"
 I have found ,
 Aphishamores, the leather and canvas covers for the
pack saddles.
   Aparejos, saddle pads used beneath the mules'
wooden pack frames.
 Just thought I wood pass this along as I raised the
question earlier.
 grn



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