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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:06:42 EST
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: packs vs. haversacks
In Muzzleloader Magazine, May/June 1996 is pictured an oil painting
by A.J. Miller showing two trappers, one with a knapsack with shoulder straps
and his blanket tied on top. In the next issue, on page 38, a reader
speculated that the pack may have been a military item or copy of one, since
it was like their 1830's dragoon regiment packs. One story of a mountaineer
carryina pack was written by Henry Brackenridge who heard it from Manuel
Lisa...." This man[John Colter] with a pack of 30 pounds weight, his gun
and some ammunition, went upwards of 500 miles to the Crow nation"
JILL
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:49:00 EST
From: Cherokeoil@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mountain men illustrations
I haven`t got any pictures but might be interested in buying a copy when
there done.
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:03:47 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Musings From Absalom (Charlie Smith from Bandera, Texas' Cousin and Persona of Jim Bryan)
This is a post I received today from my friend Jim Bryan. The scene is =
vividly described and the whole episode could have had dangerous =
results. Better him than me, I say.
Now....who uses a rear sight on a smoothbore and who doesn't? And why? =
I have a rear sight, mainly because I want to hit what I aim at with =
some consistency.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 4:09 PM
Subject: Musings From Absalom (Charlie Smith from Bandera, Texas' Cousin =
and Persona of Jim Bryan)
> O.K.,
>=20
> Let's say you are working up an fffg load for a .610 roundball in your
> 20ga fowler...you are at the bench and have worked up to 65gr of 3f =
(as
> was suggested by two of my fellow Geezer Rangers)...Lizzie B is =
grouping
> well with that and you are feeling pleased especially considering you
> have been a kind of shut-in for a couple of weeks and it is sure good =
to
> be out in the woods (kinda woods) again...then let's say you are
> momentarily struck by temporary amnesia (an inherant Geezer trait) and
> while all snuggled down on the bench you touch off a round with your
> 7/16ths wiping stick in the bore....I am here to tell you that all =
hell
> breaks loose and it feels like something with a Bulldog hood-ornament
> has suddenly invaded your space. And, if you have had recent back
> surgery which is the reason for your being a shut-in in the first =
place,
> the effect is increased exponentially. And, besides that, your wiping
> stick becomes barely recognizable as to its original purpose after it
> caroms off the railroad tie backstop. Additionally, it blows the group
> you have worked so hard on using only a front sight.... DO NOT TRY =
THIS
> AT HOME!!! This was an exercise conducted by a trained, professional
> Geezer under controlled conditions.=20
>=20
> Ouchingly yours,
>=20
> Absalom
>=20
> p.s. Please don't tell Chuck Ezell about this...He thinks I have some
> idea of how to shoot.
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Date: 5 Nov 1999 18:27:09 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: Musings From Absalom (Charlie Smith from Bandera, Texas' Cousin and Persona of Jim Bryan)
Lanney,
About 12 years ago several of us where hunting in the modern season with flintlocks here in Colorado, we're on our place 300 plus acres with access to 10,000 next door.
A mulie is working his way up the side of this little canyon, we all see him, one shoots and it goes under him at 125 yards, then the next friend shoots same results another long shot (this is very unusal for these two as they normally won't shoot any further than 70-75 yards). They're reloading and pointing at the deer, he a good one like we all have seen in the magazines - 36-38 inches between the points.
I'm ready and ease off a 600 round ball at what I thought was about 60 yards, turns out he so damn big he was about 85 yards out and the ball falls short. By then the two friends are yelling their guts out - "he coming up to you, get ready Buck".
I'm loading and look at the edge of the bank in front of me and all I see are these big horns coming, I'm so excited forget to pull the ramrod and let her fly. The ramrod goes between the horns in a whipping motion, hitting both sides of the rack. Friends are laughting, I think I broke my nose, and the buck is shaking his head like "what the hell was that".
This story makes the local paper, thanks to "Concho" and "Turtle". I received several calls about what happened to the deer, he finally died about 3 years later of old age, the neighbor found his rack and bones that spring. That's one that got away and we all where happy to have met him, even though it was breif.
> > momentarily struck by temporary amnesia (an inherant Geezer trait) and while all snuggled down on the bench you touch off a round with your 7/16ths wiping stick in the bore....I am here to tell you that all hell breaks loose and it feels like something ...........
Later,
Buck Conner
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Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:45:33 -0500 (EST)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: George Washington's Pack Bag
Cited from General Washington's Military Equipment, pp.10-11 [Mount
Vernon, 1963].
Three heavy black leather pack bags are also said to have been used by
Washington during Braddock's [1755 F&I] campaign and their worn
condition suggests possible service also during the
Revolution. These bags have added interest because they are numbered
among the few original pieces which never left Mount Vernon after
Washington's death [Dec.14,1799]. Illustrated (Fig.3) is one of the
three which were relinquished to the [Mount Vernon] Association in 1860
by Colonel John Augustine Washington, last private owner of Mount
Vernon.
Fig.3
Leather pack bag. Of heavy black leather with center compartment framed
in thin wood [unstated type of wood]. Covered with rounded and flapped
lid. With collapsible front pocket. Height: 13 inches, width: 15
inches, depth 7.5 inches. One of a set of three. Gifts of Colonel John
Augustine Washington, 1860.
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Michigan Territory
Land of the Ojibway, Odawa, Potawatomi
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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:47:00 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bear
Bear was just a baby when I first saw him some 12 years ago. But baby
rotwilers look a lot like little bear cubs and that's what the Major
called him when he brought Bear home. He was cute and cuddly and quit a
terror for a couple years but he grew into a big calm guardian of his
family. The Major was away a lot those first few years but Bear was
always there to look after his wife and two little girls. Bear did his
job and did it well.
Bear liked to go camping with the major and I and one winter camp just a
few years back, he came along. It was cold and snowy and Bear was
feeling his age and the change in climate. By then Bear was getting on
in age and the Major had become a Col. We pitched our camp on a snowy
ridge in the Cascades that January with several brothers. The Col.
arranged a bed for Bear up by our heads. Some time in the middle of the
night Bear got sick and woke me to his heaving. I moved my head just in
time to avoid his supper. We cleaned up the mess and went back to bed
with our backs to each other and Bear tucked in between our legs. We all
slept warm that night.
A couple years back the Col. brought Bear with him when we canoed on
Cooper Lake with "Old Blue" from Albany in my bateau and the Col. and
Bear in his birch bark. You could tell that Bear was feeling his age. He
was reluctant to get into that rickety birch bark but in he went and all
went well. Dang near as stiff as me only not just in the morning but
most all day. He had a good time and we enjoyed his company. We chased
up an elk herd, did some fishing and generally had a nice summer camp
together.
The Col. and I were going to do some bird hunting over here in Eastern
WA. this week but this past weekend the Col. dropped me a line and told
me that Bear had got stomach sick and ran off. They couldn't find him
and the Col. needed to stay home and see if Bear was coming back or
what. By Wednesday, there was still no sign of Bear.
I got a note from the Col. this evening. This is what it said.
"Found Bear's body today in an old tree stump. If there are no dogs in
heaven then Im not going."
I guess if that's the way it is up there. I ain't going neither. I
remain...
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
Just needing to share.
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 07:54:43 -0800
From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear
Col.
Col, fear not. At the gate when you get there, Bear will be there
wagging his stubby tail when he see`s you coming up the path to be with him.
We`ve all had loving partners such as Bear. I hope I get to be with all
of the ones I`ve loved and lost.
With a long and sad heart we all are wet eyed.
John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest Ohio
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From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
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Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:47 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Bear
> Bear was just a baby when I first saw him some 12 years ago. But baby
> rotwilers look a lot like little bear cubs and that's what the Major
> called him when he brought Bear home. He was cute and cuddly and quit a
> terror for a couple years but he grew into a big calm guardian of his
> family. The Major was away a lot those first few years but Bear was
> always there to look after his wife and two little girls. Bear did his
> job and did it well.
>
> Bear liked to go camping with the major and I and one winter camp just a
> few years back, he came along. It was cold and snowy and Bear was
> feeling his age and the change in climate. By then Bear was getting on
> in age and the Major had become a Col. We pitched our camp on a snowy
> ridge in the Cascades that January with several brothers. The Col.
> arranged a bed for Bear up by our heads. Some time in the middle of the
> night Bear got sick and woke me to his heaving. I moved my head just in
> time to avoid his supper. We cleaned up the mess and went back to bed
> with our backs to each other and Bear tucked in between our legs. We all
> slept warm that night.
>
> A couple years back the Col. brought Bear with him when we canoed on
> Cooper Lake with "Old Blue" from Albany in my bateau and the Col. and
> Bear in his birch bark. You could tell that Bear was feeling his age. He
> was reluctant to get into that rickety birch bark but in he went and all
> went well. Dang near as stiff as me only not just in the morning but
> most all day. He had a good time and we enjoyed his company. We chased
> up an elk herd, did some fishing and generally had a nice summer camp
> together.
>
> The Col. and I were going to do some bird hunting over here in Eastern
> WA. this week but this past weekend the Col. dropped me a line and told
> me that Bear had got stomach sick and ran off. They couldn't find him
> and the Col. needed to stay home and see if Bear was coming back or
> what. By Wednesday, there was still no sign of Bear.
>
> I got a note from the Col. this evening. This is what it said.
>
> "Found Bear's body today in an old tree stump. If there are no dogs in
> heaven then Im not going."
>
> I guess if that's the way it is up there. I ain't going neither. I
> remain...
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
> Just needing to share.
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 08:04:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: wipin' sticks
Had a good laugh over the wipin' stick incident. It
reminded me of my first rendezvous, many yeas ago.
After two solid days of tradin' I finally found myself
in possesion of the gun I'd been wanting all weekend,
and took it to the range to test it out. Having been
away from muzzleloadin' for a number of years, I was a
bit nervous, but followed the owners recommendation as
to load and patch, took aim, and fired away. I don't
know where the ball hit, but I did get to see the rod
make a splintered arch over the target and into the
backstop. It does feel a bit like a mule kick,
doesn't it? I still have that old gun, it took my
first deer, and has made meat a lot of times since
that first shot. There are probably a lot of us
geezers that have made that mistake, but most won't
