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hist_text-digest       Monday, November 8 1999       Volume 01 : Number 406



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: more on blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bear
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bear
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: more on blankets
-áááááá MtMan-List: Fw: Buffalo hunt
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: more on blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Bear
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: more on blankets
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: more on blankets
-áááááá MtMan-List: Orsa Salt
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Orsa Salt

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 16:08:12 -0600
From: "Frank Fusco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: more on blankets

    Many years ago I saw an article in some publication devoted to early
American history that described how to make a sleeping bag. The reference
was to 18th century and was directed towards hunters and soldiers of the
period.
    I sent it to the Buckskin Report magazine where it was republished.
Unfortunately, it was so long ago I cannot give proper credit to the
original source. However the technique makes sense and is in line with the
philosophy of the times to save, use and reuse everything that might have
some value. It also shows that, even then, there was an understanding of
what makes good insulation.
    Briefly:  you will need three or more blankets. one or two of them can
be old and worn thin or only parts and pieces of blankets. two should be in
good condition. the two good ones are the outer and inner layers. the older
blankets are cut into strips 2" or 3" wide and as long as possible. after
the strips are cut, weave them as with a simple basket weave until you have
a woven layer the same size as your blankets. sew the woven ends to one
blanket so it does not unveave. after that is done lay the other blanket
over the entire works and stitch all around the whole affair. then fold over
one time. stitch the feets part closed. stitch from the feets part about one
half the way up on the open side. climb in, sleep warmly.
    The principal is the same as with modern insulation, loft holds more air
and when body-warmed retains the heat for more comfort than just another
layer of blanket.
    This affair might be bulky but I am sure it would work. I haven't made
one because the cost of good wool blankets is such that I do not care to
take a scissors to mine to experiment.
Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas


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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:15:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Frank V. Rago" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear

Capt.,

Never met a dog I did not like, even the mean ones have good in them.  I
believe that old saying that all dogs go to heaven.  There is an old song
that says that there is nothing like "Old dogs and children and watermellon
wine"  I forget rightly how it goes but that saying sticks with me.  Because
dogs are like children and if you have a chance to experience the love of
either before they get currupted by society, hell thats all you need.

Oneday maybe I will have a few of my own, children, I have two pupas as we
call them and they and my wife is all I need right now.


At 09:47 PM 11/5/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Bear was just a baby when I first saw him some 12 years ago. But baby
>rotwilers look a lot like little bear cubs and that's what the Major
>called him when he brought Bear home. He was cute and cuddly and quit a
>terror for a couple years but he grew into a big calm guardian of his
>family. The Major was away a lot those first few years but Bear was
>always there to look after his wife and two little girls. Bear did his
>job and did it well.
>
>Bear liked to go camping with the major and I and one winter camp just a
>few years back, he came along. It was cold and snowy and Bear was
>feeling his age and the change in climate. By then Bear was getting on
>in age and the Major had become a Col. We pitched our camp on a snowy
>ridge in the Cascades that January with several brothers. The Col.
>arranged a bed for Bear up by our heads. Some time in the middle of the
>night Bear got sick and woke me to his heaving. I moved my head just in
>time to avoid his supper. We cleaned up the mess and went back to bed
>with our backs to each other and Bear tucked in between our legs. We all
>slept warm that night.
>
>A couple years back the Col. brought Bear with him when we canoed on
>Cooper Lake with "Old Blue" from Albany in my bateau and the Col. and
>Bear in his birch bark. You could tell that Bear was feeling his age. He
>was reluctant to get into that rickety birch bark but in he went and all
>went well. Dang near as stiff as me only not just in the morning but
>most all day. He had a good time and we enjoyed his company. We chased
>up an elk herd, did some fishing and generally had a nice summer camp
>together.
>
>The Col. and I were going to do some bird hunting over here in Eastern
>WA. this week but this past weekend the Col. dropped me a line and told
>me that Bear had got stomach sick and ran off. They couldn't find him
>and the Col. needed to stay home and see if Bear was coming back or
>what. By Wednesday, there was still no sign of Bear.
>
>I got a note from the Col. this evening. This is what it said.
>
>"Found Bear's body today in an old tree stump.  If there are no dogs in
>heaven then Im not going."
>
>I guess if that's the way it is up there. I ain't going neither. I
>remain...
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>Just needing to share.
>
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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:33:56 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear

Sorry to hear about the loss of "Bear" Captain Lahti. Having experienced
this situation many times myself, I seem to get much comfort from the
thought that even though it is tough to lose them when the time comes, the
good times and memories  make up for the short grieving period. I have
always had a "riding partner" for the last 20 or more years and am fortunate
enough to work in the woods where a dog has the best life imaginable. Every
dog I ever had never seen a chain or been tied up. Just a life of trampin
the woods and chasin squirrels when the opportunity presented itself. None
of mine ever made it past 7 yrs. for one reason or another, logging is a
tough life, but I am pretty certain they didn't have many regrets as far as
them goin to heaven well I imagine they will as for weather i'll ever see
them thats another matter...

Northwoods
- -----Original Message-----
From: Texan <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, November 06, 1999 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear


>Captain,
>
>Martin Luther, noted theologian, concluded, after much study
>on the subject, that pets and animals go to heaven when they die.
>
>Have a few waitin' for me.
>
>Victoria
>
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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:00:22 +0000
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on blankets

Frank Fusco wrote:
>
>     Many years ago I saw an article in some publication devoted to early
> American history that described how to make a sleeping bag.<snip> I haven't made
> one because the cost of good wool blankets is such that I do not care to
> take a scissors to mine to experiment.

Bearclaw,

If one needed a particularly warm bed roll, this certainly sounds like
the way to go about it. Along with the woven center blanket and the
edges of all three sewn together, it might be wise to "quilt" all three
layers with a simple single cross stitch in a grid pattern to keep it
all from shifting. This was pointed out recently as a documented way of
layering several blankets into one unit.

If you are of a mind to try this and don't care to cut up $100 Whitney's
or even less expensive Trade blankets you can get 100% wool surplus
military blankets from outfits like " The Sportsman's Guide" for around
$20 each. These cheap blankets might make up the "core" of your bag. You
can bring up this company on your pc at <www.sportsmansguide.com>. Their
blanket offerings usually are gray military blankets and some are not
100% wool so be careful what you order. Check size too to make sure you
get blankets big enough.

I would consider treating with Fuller Brush Insect spray to ward off
carpet beetles and larva. I would also consider not sewing the bag shut
but pinning it with  wood skewers or blanket pins to hold it together.
This allows more versatility if you need to open the bedroll up for some
other use like a match coat. I remain...

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:09:59 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: Buffalo hunt

>> > WYOMING WILDLIFE FEDERATION
>> > APPLAUDS OPENING BUFFALO HUNT
>> >
>> > For Immediate Release; Contact:  Lloyd Dorsey, phone [phone],
>> > e-mail: ljdorsey @aol.com
>> >
>> > JACKSON, WY (November 2, 1999)--  Wyoming's oldest and largest
>> sporting and
>> > conservation organization expressed its strong support for the
>> hunting of
>> > wild buffalo that resumed in Jackson Hole this past week.  The
>> hunt had been
>> > forestalled by a lawsuit filed by anti-hunting groups a year ago.  The
>> > Wyoming Wildlife Federation considered the buffalo hunt, and
>> countering the
>> > efforts of anti-hunting groups, as one of its highest
>> priorities this past
>> > year.
>> >
>> > Lloyd Dorsey, spokesman for the Wyoming Wildlife Federation,
>> commented, "The
>> > public should not allow narrow special interests such as eastern
>> > anti-hunting
>> > groups and their lawyers to dominate the management of  precious
>> > world-renowned resources."  He continued, "The Wyoming Wildlife
>> Federation
>> > and its members have long been involved in collaboration on
>> managing this
>> > region's growing buffalo herds.  Hunting is but a part of that overall
>> > management scheme, an important part.  Thousands of people across the
>> > country
>> > consider the buffalo the symbol of the American West, and many
>> vie for an
>> > appropriate opportunity to harvest one of these magnificent
>> animals.  This
>> > chance to participate in Nature's bounty  bodes well for the future
>> > management of Wyoming's buffalo, and for those who cherish hunting and
>> > wildlife traditions."
>> >
>> > The final hurdle to open the hunting season for buffalo in the
>> Jackson Hole
>> > area was taken Friday, October 29, by Bridger-Teton Forest
>> officials when
>> > they signed the order to open USFS lands to buffalo hunting.
>> This action
>> > effectively countered the portion of last year's lawsuit filed by the
>> > anti-hunting groups, The Fund For Animals and the Humane Society of the
>> > United States, requesting the halting of buffalo hunting on
>> federal lands.
>> > The State of Wyoming and the Wyoming Wildlife Federation had filed
legal
>> > arguments in Federal Court requesting that buffalo hunting be
>> reinstated.
>> >
>> > The WWF maintains that public hunting of big game animals is a
>> critical tool
>> > of modern wildlife managers.  Dorsey, Federation staffer at the
>> Jackson Hole
>> > Field Office, said further, "Sustainable big game herds and
>> hunting has been
>> > a successful formula throughout this century.  This step to
>> harvest a small
>> > portion of a buffalo herd which now numbers over 500 animals will help
>> > ensure
>> > that this important component of the ecosystem will be enjoyed
>> and treasured
>> > by generations of Americans to come."
>> >
>> > This past Saturday during the initial hunting opportunity, two Wyoming
>> > buffalo hunters harvested mature bulls in the foothills on the
>> east side of
>> > Jackson Hole.  More hunters were expected to be issued licenses as the
>> > season
>> > continues into early winter.
>> >
>> > Contributing to the WWF effort to reinstate buffalo hunting in
>> the Jackson
>> > Hole area was the Jackson Hole Chapter of the Safari Club
International,
>> > High
>> > Country Taxidermy of Jackson, and numerous private citizens
>> from across the
>> > country.



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Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:16:41 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on blankets

>I would consider treating with Fuller Brush Insect spray to ward off
>carpet beetles and larva. I would also consider not sewing the bag shut
>but pinning it with  wood skewers or blanket pins to hold it together.
>This allows more versatility if you need to open the bedroll up for some
>other use like a match coat. I remain...


On a recent canoe trip with the Poison River Party, we had a canoe flip
over, the owner of the canoe (I won't mention any names <G>) had blankets
sewn together for a bedroll, 2 days later his bedroll was still wet around
the sewn edges because the air couldn't get to them....another good reason
to use skewers or blanket pins or a rope and simply tie the bottoms closed.

YMOS,
Ron


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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 00:21:24 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bear

If we are blessed with one good dog in a lifetime we should consider=
 ourselves
lucky.=A0 Those who enjoy more; have blessings to count.=A0=20

The eulogy to Bear brought to mind my good dog Jake, maybe one of the
reasons I
still use my old blankets is every time I look at the fringed edge on each;=
 I
remember our camp when he was a 6 month pup on the White River where his
enthusiasm for chewing an old dry deer leg he'd found got tangled up with=
 one
edge of my blankets during the night.=A0=20

The most unfair aspect of life is, when you get that one good dog and get=
 him
just exactly the way you want him, that he doesn't live as long as you.=A0=
=20

Jake has been in the ground 5 years now after a good 15 year run; ain't many
days I don't still think of him and have the memory warm my innards and
bring a
smile to my face.=A0=20

John...



At 09:47 PM 11/5/99 +0000, you wrote:
>Bear was just a baby when I first saw him some 12 years ago. But baby
>rotwilers look a lot like little bear cubs and that's what the Major
>called him when he brought Bear home. He was cute and cuddly and quit a
>terror for a couple years but he grew into a big calm guardian of his
>family. The Major was away a lot those first few years but Bear was
>always there to look after his wife and two little girls. Bear did his
>job and did it well.
>
>Bear liked to go camping with the major and I and one winter camp just a
>few years back, he came along. It was cold and snowy and Bear was
>feeling his age and the change in climate. By then Bear was getting on
>in age and the Major had become a Col. We pitched our camp on a snowy
>ridge in the Cascades that January with several brothers. The Col.
>arranged a bed for Bear up by our heads. Some time in the middle of the
>night Bear got sick and woke me to his heaving. I moved my head just in
>time to avoid his supper. We cleaned up the mess and went back to bed
>with our backs to each other and Bear tucked in between our legs. We all
>slept warm that night.
>
>A couple years back the Col. brought Bear with him when we canoed on
>Cooper Lake with "Old Blue" from Albany in my bateau and the Col. and
>Bear in his birch bark. You could tell that Bear was feeling his age. He
>was reluctant to get into that rickety birch bark but in he went and all
>went well. Dang near as stiff as me only not just in the morning but
>most all day. He had a good time and we enjoyed his company. We chased
>up an elk herd, did some fishing and generally had a nice summer camp
>together.
>
>The Col. and I were going to do some bird hunting over here in Eastern
>WA. this week but this past weekend the Col. dropped me a line and told
>me that Bear had got stomach sick and ran off. They couldn't find him
>and the Col. needed to stay home and see if Bear was coming back or
>what. By Wednesday, there was still no sign of Bear.=20
>
>I got a note from the Col. this evening. This is what it said.
>
>"Found Bear's body today in an old tree stump.=A0 If there are no dogs in
>heaven then Im not going."
>
>I guess if that's the way it is up there. I ain't going neither. I
>remain...
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>Just needing to share.
>
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Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 01:19:29 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on blankets

Frank,

The blanket strip weaving is the same basic idea as Anasazi rabbit skin
robes.=20
Cut strips and weave them together.  Their's were twisted with other cordage
and woven tight for strength and loft.  Insulation is a very old idea. =20

The overall construction is also similar to comforters where an uncut wool
blanket or two is sewn inside an outer cover.  For home use the cover was
often
flannel, canvas, wool and other cloth was also used.  Mostly they made do=
 with
what they had.  A comforter differs from a lined quilt in that the inner
filling is held in place by a series of yarn ties.

I like to use blankets individually so I can leave on or throw off what I
don't
need, two or three spread out dry quicker than if piled together.  In an
unexpected extreme situation, if I need extra loft, leaves, boughs, needles
and
grass can be added between layers, if available.  If I was cold in the city
I'd
use newspaper.  Make do with what you've got. =20

I don't sew my blankets together, it reduces their utility.  I have blanket
pins, I've rarely used them.  When you're concern is with horses and/or
hostiles the last thing you need in a midnight emergency is to wiggle out of=
 a
bag.

If you're going to try and poison bugs try something like a little arsenic
sprinkled inside, it offers fewer hazards to you and the environment than
commercial bug spray.  I've not found it necessary -- though I've had other
woolens stored close to my blankets moth eaten, they've never touched the
blankets.  Over the years a little, oil of cedar, pennyroyal, spike and such
have been rubbed or spilled on them.  They have been well smoked.  They have
occasionally been sunned for a day.  They've never really been washed so
there's lots of me and my dog in them. =20

Can't imagine washed and perfumed blankets for a mountain man, like someone=
 I
know suggested.=20

John...


At 04:08 PM 11/6/99 -0600, you wrote:
>=A0=A0=A0 Many years ago I saw an article in some publication devoted to=
 early
>American history that described how to make a sleeping bag. The reference
>was to 18th century and was directed towards hunters and soldiers of the
>period.
>=A0=A0=A0 I sent it to the Buckskin Report magazine where it was=
 republished.
>Unfortunately, it was so long ago I cannot give proper credit to the
>original source. However the technique makes sense and is in line with the
>philosophy of the times to save, use and reuse everything that might have
>some value. It also shows that, even then, there was an understanding of
>what makes good insulation.
>=A0=A0=A0 Briefly:=A0 you will need three or more blankets. one or two of=
 them can
>be old and worn thin or only parts and pieces of blankets. two should be in
>good condition. the two good ones are the outer and inner layers. the older
>blankets are cut into strips 2" or 3" wide and as long as possible. after
>the strips are cut, weave them as with a simple basket weave until you have
>a woven layer the same size as your blankets. sew the woven ends to one
>blanket so it does not unveave. after that is done lay the other blanket
>over the entire works and stitch all around the whole affair. then fold=
 over
>one time. stitch the feets part closed. stitch from the feets part about=
 one
>half the way up on the open side. climb in, sleep warmly.
>=A0=A0=A0 The principal is the same as with modern insulation, loft holds=
 more air
>and when body-warmed retains the heat for more comfort than just another
>layer of blanket.
>=A0=A0=A0 This affair might be bulky but I am sure it would work. I haven't=
 made
>one because the cost of good wool blankets is such that I do not care to
>take a scissors to mine to experiment.
>Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 08:41:25 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: more on blankets

   One of the best and easiest ways to keep bugs out of wool is just to store
it with some cedar.  If you don't or can't use a chest  just put some in your
closet next to them.  natural is better. As far as wool shrinking,  my mom
washed a throw rug once, not knowing it had wool mixed in it, she used hot
water in a machine.  Was a very strange looking object when it dried.
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:29:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Orsa Salt

Ho Buck!

I just got you new "Clark & Sons Mercantile" catalog.......outstanding! I
reckon I need about one of everything.
I think I've figured out where "sea salt" comes from but kinda at a loss for
"orsa salt".... I might need some of that too!

Ymos,

Steve

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Date: 8 Nov 1999 17:20:22 -0800
From: Buck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Orsa Salt

Hi Steve,

Thank you on the catalog, "orsa salt" is the salt that Jed Smith wrote about seeing the Indians boiling near the Great Salt Lake in his travels across those bad lands, now Utah. It's a salt much like the sea salt in texture, similier taste, but pinkish - if you will in color. Makes for interesting talk at an encampment if your west of the Mississippi.

Buck
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On Sun, 07 November 1999, [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Ho Buck!
>
> I just got you new "Clark & Sons Mercantile" catalog.......outstanding! I
> reckon I need about one of everything.
> I think I've figured out where "sea salt" comes from but kinda at a loss for
> "orsa salt".... I might need some of that too!
>
> Ymos,
>
> Steve

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