Texan got it right, Crow Killer is the one I read. It has a red binder and
even tells where he was buried although I think that his grave was moved a
few years back.
At 11:43 AM 10/31/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Frank, Could you be talking about 'Mountain Man' by Vardis Fisher?
>The movie 'Jeremiah Johnson' was loosly based on this book. I have an
>old paperback copyrighted in 1965. Hope this helps. Hardtack
>
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Date: 31 Oct 1999 14:02:44 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets !!!!!!!
Clay Landry (God bless his heart) has long advocated that (as research will reveal) there was nothing more that the 3 1/2 pointá and the occasional/limited 4 point available in days of yore.á Have we departed from our roots????á I've done quite will with my 4 point and some heated rocks and when things got ....unusual....a buff robe
> filled in the vacancy.áá I'm 5'11 and 2xx lb. .......no snide comments
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Hey brother,
Sounds like you better get scheduled for a few operations John, have about 6" cut off your legs and about the same cut off your butt, you would be more period correct.
Only kidding, with the difference in size today of reenacters when compared to our forefathers that 6-7 inch difference in blankets makes the difference in being comfortable or hanging out.
As far as Witney or C.J. Wilde blanket's go, of course Witney's are correct and C.J.'s blankets are copies of original F&I War to Rev War blankets from several museums.
Bottom line is all of them are copies - HBC, Witney or Wilde's, only problem is size and if you dig long and hard enough you'll fine many homespun blankets where alot larger than a 3-1/2 or 4 pt. blanket. Hell be happy these folks are using blankets, beats fony bedrolls with sleeping bags hidden in them like we all have seen in years passed.
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Date: 31 Oct 1999 14:07:14 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
And what does "Teddy" wear, little woman said you always take him along.
B. heeee
> Buck,
> I always build me a nice bed of grasses, leaves or some such to get me up off the ground, and then get a blanket under me and one on top.And although I go barefoot until there is actually snow on the ground, I wear a nice thick pair of wool socks, a touque and mebby mittens to bed.. Makes a difference. When possible I build a litter shelter with a reflector fire in front.
> I stay as comfortable as can be expected in the conditions. Also, when in extreme cold or wet weather, we just buddy up 2-3 folks to a shelter & fire.
> D
>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:39:10 -0800
From: John Stephens <johns@primarycolor.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Speaking of historically accurate ... When you read about the
mountaineers in freezing times, you find out that they didn't just sleep
2-3 folks to a shelter and fire, but "buddied up" under the covers, so
to speak. You guys are sticklers for accuracy, right, so we can assume
that ...
Maybe you could tell us more about that?
B'st'rd
Dennis Miles wrote:
>
> I stay as comfortable as can be expected in the conditions. Also, when in extreme cold or wet weather, we just buddy up 2-3 folks to a shelter & fire.
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:45:05 EST
From: WSmith4100@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Liver eatin' Johnson
Howdy Bearclaw,
I read book a few years back...Yes, I can read!! It was entitled
"Footprints along the Yellowstone." It was written in the 50's buy an older
fella who grew up near Gardiner, MT. in the early part of this century.
Don't remember his name but I'll try to find it for you. He had some
stories, or at least some memories of an old friend who knew "Liver-eatin
Johnson... Try to get back to ya soon with his name . In the
meantime....keep yer powder dry.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Wade "Sleeps Loudly" Smith
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:28:49 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Tell ya what, I ain't ashamed of it, my late runnin partner and I have shared a bedroll in VERY cold times, back to back, (unlike Buck and his friends) a
body throws allot of heat and when it is below or near 0, no sense in wastin' it.
Lanney can pitch in with a body heat story too, I believe..
D
John Stephens wrote:, but "buddied up" under the covers, so
> to speak. You guys are sticklers for accuracy, right, so we can assume
> that ...
>
> Maybe you could tell us more about that?
>
> B'st'rd
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:29:41 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Yep, I do...Gotta problem with that???
D
Buck wrote:
> And what does "Teddy" wear, little woman said you always take him along.
> B. heeee
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:10:09 -0500 (EST)
From: "Frank V. Rago" <ikon@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Although I have been visiting rendezvous for awhile this past one I decided
to stay the weekends. Since I am new to this I am forced to use a lean to
type of shelter that I made from white canvas and limbs. Well the first
weekend was wet and by Sat. afternoon I packed it up and went home. I was
dry and inside the leanto was dry just all my trade goods were getting
soaked. Now the second weekend I HAD A BLAST. Set up the lean to just high
enough that I could fit while laying on my little fold out cot, covered it
with an old sleeping bag and threw my whitney over that and I was set. I
then built a fire about 6' away with a large backing of wood to direct the
heat into my lean to. I also put a pile of wood next to the lean to so all
I had to do was reach over and throw a log in the fire during the night.
Averaged 3 logs a night. When I hit the sack I stripped down to the
undershorts and that was it. I stayed nice and toasty even though it did
get a might bit chilly. I was always told to stay away from the fire and
strip for the night so that when you get dressed in the morning you can feel
the warmth of your clothes.
I do plan on doing this as much as possible and may just leave the trade
goods at home on a few trips so as I can attend the shooting events rather
than sell.
At 04:56 PM 10/31/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Buck,
> I always build me a nice bed of grasses, leaves or some such to get me up
off the ground, and then get a blanket under me and one on top.And although
I go barefoot until there is actually snow on the ground, I wear a nice
thick pair of wool socks, a touque and mebby mittens to bed.. Makes a
difference. When possible I build a litter shelter with a reflector fire in
front.
>I stay as comfortable as can be expected in the conditions. Also, when in
extreme cold or wet weather, we just buddy up 2-3 folks to a shelter & fire.
>D
>
>Buck wrote:
>
>> Have slept out in -25 degree weather. There are a couple of other good
reasons why some get cold and others don't. Most are the person's own fault.
>> 1. You need to go to bed warm, dry, and have enough calories in your
system to get you through the night. Eat a late supper with plenty of fat
in it. Go for a walk to get your blood circulating, then change your dry
clothes and turn in.
>> >
>> 2. You need to stay away from the fire. Most guys that are
fire-sitters are always cold. You sweat more than you know when it is
cold, but you don't notice it. Sitting by the fire will get you all sweated
up. You turn in and your clothing cools off and you get cold.
>> >
>> 3. You need bedding that will pass moisture. If you sleep with your
head under the covers, your breath will get everything damp. When it cools
off, you will get cold. Best thing is to crawl into your blankets and then
put a small blanket over your head and face. That keeps your breath out of
your main bedding.
>>
>> For some reason, I always found western mountain air to be warmer than
eastern air....at the same temperature. Maybe
>> cause mountain air has less humidity in it.
>> >
>> > Dave Kanger
>> ___________________________
>>
>> Another item that is missed for some reason is your feet, you can watch a
guy complain about his feet being cold during the day, many times his
footwear with extra socks are to tight. Then he'll go to bed wearing his
footwear and complain all night how his feet are freezing. You tell him to
take off his shoes, boots, mocs and he'll be better off, but they never listen.
>>
>> Later,
>> Buck Conner
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:21:05 -0500 (EST)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Blankets & Movie Jeremiah Johnson
How period authentic was Bear Claw (IIRC real name was Chris Lapp)
advising Johnson to sleep on a bed of simmering coals loosely covered
with dirt, as shown in that movie? How can coals simmer without oxygen?
Also, what are blanket points (thickness of 1 point = .013 inches like
in the printing trade?). Have read with great interest all the previous
knowledgeable postings from The AMM Camp's experience that comes only
from surviving the snows of many winters.
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:09:05 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <cstmzd@ida.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Liver eatin' Johnson
From the book
RED LODGE
Saga of a Western Area
John [Liver Eating] Johnston
Transcribed for the web by:
Longtrail and myself
http://www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/Johnston.html
Last time I posted this I caught alot of flack from various AMM members, who
were part of the reburial. Please remember I didn't write the book, I just
put it on the web!
Ron
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From: Frank Fusco <frankf@centuryinter.net>
To: MM <hist_text@xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 11:41 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Liver eatin' Johnson
> At one time I had a book about Liver Eatin' Johnson [aka John
Johnston].
>While there have been several books about Johnson/Johnston, this one was,
>supposedly, the most authentic biography. I read it several times and
>always enjoyed.
> However, I lent it to some thievin' varmint and never got it back. I
>have also forgotten the exact title and author.
> Can anyone help me out so I can look for another copy?
>Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:50:01 EST
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Liver eatin' Johnson
About where Liver Eating Johnson was reburied- It was at
Travel Town at Cody, Wyoming. The A.M.M. were involved in the dedication.
Robert Redford and some A.M.M. members were the pallbearers and fired a gun
salute for him. Cant remember the date, but our companero Yarrow was
involved in it. Clemen Flintlocker out of Salt Lake City, a right fine
blacksmith, and one time A.M.M. member did all the wrought iron work that
surrounds his grave. If you ever get that way, the exibit and the small
cemetery is something to see. As far as the blankets go, those old ones came
in pairs and were promptly cut in two and one half traded for a buffalo robe.
Osborne Russel is the one who makes a comment on that, if my memory is
correct.. I've never slept cold with a blanket and buffalo and Jill . Don't
know about those hot rocks, have never been able to find any under 6 feet of
snow.
Crazy Cyot
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:17:44 -0600
From: "John McKee" <stitchin@tekhullogy.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets & Movie Jeremiah Johnson
I've personally never slept on hot coals (covered or uncovered) but I've
cooked a few pit meals with hot coals and the evening meal inside a dutch
oven. Started it in the morning in a hole, covered the entire oven (coals on
top and bottom) with dirt and forgotabout it until dinner. Uncovered and
lifted out the oven. Carefully removed the lid and .................done to
perfection. Man's early crock pot!!! Long John
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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 6:21 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Blankets & Movie Jeremiah Johnson
> How period authentic was Bear Claw (IIRC real name was Chris Lapp)
> advising Johnson to sleep on a bed of simmering coals loosely covered
> with dirt, as shown in that movie? How can coals simmer without oxygen?
> Also, what are blanket points (thickness of 1 point = .013 inches like
> in the printing trade?). Have read with great interest all the previous
> knowledgeable postings from The AMM Camp's experience that comes only
> from surviving the snows of many winters.
>
> -----------------------------------
> Jon Marinetti
> Michigan Territory
> Land of the Ojibway, Odawa, Potawattomi
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:25:26 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <cstmzd@ida.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Welcome Crazy And Jill!!!
Welcome to the list Crazy and Stargazer!! Good to see ya made it.
cstmzd@ida.net
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:10:56 EST
From: BarneyPFife@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets & Movie Jeremiah Johnson
Jon, I have had a bed of oak coals last for 18 hours if 'banked' properly at
the end of the evening's festivities, and require only some kindling and
blowing on it to start the dinner fire.
As for the blanket points, they used to indicate how many beaver plews it
took to buy one; now they are merely an indicator of size. Barn
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:24:57 -0500
From: "Mike Haught" <mwhaught@netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets & Movie Jeremiah Johnson
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From: JON MARINETTI <JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net>
To: <hist_text@xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 7:21 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Blankets & Movie Jeremiah Johnson
> How period authentic was Bear Claw (IIRC real name was Chris Lapp)
> advising Johnson to sleep on a bed of simmering coals loosely covered
> with dirt, as shown in that movie? How can coals simmer without oxygen?
> Also, what are blanket points (thickness of 1 point = .013 inches like
> in the printing trade?). Have read with great interest all the previous
> knowledgeable postings from The AMM Camp's experience that comes only
> from surviving the snows of many winters.
>
> -----------------------------------
> Jon Marinetti
> Michigan Territory
> Land of the Ojibway, Odawa, Potawattomi
> -----------------------------------
>
A pilgrim deciding to stick my head up for a comment.
Alan Eckert wrote of Simon Kenton sleeping in this manner while sitting
against a tree and wrapped in a blanket. I've tried this a few times. Once
you get used to sleeping while in a seated position, this does keep you
mighty warm. I've had to open up the blanket to cool down while doing this
in 20 degree weather. A wide brimmed wool felt hat helps seal in the warmth
and guard against wet weather.
I think this is also shown in Mark Baker's first long hunter video.
-Michael
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If you have access to Rueben Thwaites 32 volume series "Early Western
Travels" there are about a dozen references to hatters in the index. I
didn't look up every one but, as an example, Vol 4, p. 186, speaking of
Lexington - "Five hatters, who employ upwards of fifty hands, and manufacture
about thirty thousand dollars worth of fur and wool hats annually." If you
don't have access, contatc me off-list and we'll figure out a way to get all
the info to you.
Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA 95971
(530)283-4566 (H)
(530)293-3330 (W)
(530)283-5171 FAX
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:35:50 EST
From: Casapy123@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: sleeping on a bed of coals
There is a good article in "Wilderness Way" magazine, Vol 3, issue 2 called
"The Firebed" that deals with constructing a bed as seen in Jeremiah Johnson.
If you can't find it, contatc me 0ff-line, and we'll come up with a way to
get you a copy of the article if you want it.
Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. box 1228
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:38:06 -0000
From: "Glenn Darilek" <llsi@texas.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Hacksaw
Merriam Webster's Tenth Collegiate dictionary traces the first use of the
words 'hack saw' to 1654.
Glenn Darilek
Iron Burner
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Date: Sunday, October 24, 1999 11:50 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: The Hacksaw
>Question for some of you tool buffs and blacksmiths........
>
>I am in the process of replacing some double-set trigger parts from an old
>original gun. While in the process of sawing them from a lump of steel
>plate, another lightbulb went off.................When was the Hacksaw
>invented?
>
>There are some incredibly complex little parts in a gun lock and they
>couldn't have all been hand-filed from a piece of steel originally. How
were
>period parts initially formed?
>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:24:35 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: sleeping on a bed of coals
If y'all will indulge me whilst I get windy....A few Winters ago a couple of the
Brothers and myself were wandering the mts in Tenn. for 3 weeks, avoiding
"civilized" folk, as we do sometimes. Well, we came across a big rock that looked
curious (about 10'tall and twice that wide) that was several rod off the faint
deer path we were following along a mtn. We took a wander up there and this rock
sorta shielded a bigassed caved 40'+ deep and 50 or so feet around the edges,
with a 8'-10" ceiling. This cave had a sand floor and all along the wall it was
blackened up 5" or so.. We went to lookin closer and discovered that the sand all
along the wall contained the remnants of many a fire. It seems that the past
residents would build a long fire, heat up that limestone real good and then when
the fire was into coals, pile the sand back on and go to bed.. Well, this looked
like a prime spot to lite for a day or so. There was a nice run coming outta the
rock at the edge of one side, and we could see the river, the trail and near the
whole vally and all approaches to us. The three of us could have held off a army
from there as long as we had shot & powder. We went and built us a fire in the
manner of those that came before us and tried this sleeping arrangement..We
stayed for 3 nights as we were right comfortable there..It worked well...The sand
would warm nicely & the limestone would hold heat. The only drawback is that we
were still shaking sand outta things for a year..<G> Was a good trip.
Well, I am dry now, gunna ha'a sip..
D
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:45:33 EST
From: TetonTod@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Liver eatin' Johnson
Hey Crazy, first time I've seen you on the list! You must have been lurkin
for a while eh? Good to see you.
To everyone-
We did a big "Liver-eating Johnston" thread a year or two ago. Check the
archives. Johnston was reburied in "Old Trail Town" in Cody, ca. 73-74. I've
paid my respects on a few occasions. The books are "Crow Killer" and
"Mountain Man" commonly available in used book stores or on sites like
www.bookfinder.com.
Todd Glover
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Date: 31 Oct 1999 19:49:32 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
On Sun, 31 October 1999, Dennis Miles wrote:
>
> Tell ya what, I ain't ashamed of it, my late runnin partner and I have shared a bedroll in VERY cold times, back to back, (unlike Buck and his friends) a.........
Wait a minute Mr. Miles,
What did you mean by that crack, Oh one who plays with fire.
As Pat and Mike have both mentioned, in the Rockies it do get a wee chilly, like -15 to -30 at 10,000 feet, and we all have slept back to back - sharing each others body heat. Someone had written about heating hot rocks, that works for a little while, but as they cool down the seem to draw moisture too.
Later,
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:51:18 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Buck,
Quit callin' me "Mr."<G> And I am just shootin in the dark to see what happens.. I am curious like that.. Are you SURE it was back to back???HHHMMMmmmm????
D
Buck wrote:
>
>
> Wait a minute Mr. Miles,
> What did you mean by that crack, Oh one who plays with fire.
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Date: 31 Oct 1999 19:58:24 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
WELL It was dark come to think of it.
B.
> Buck,
> Quit callin' me "Mr."<G> And I am just shootin in the dark to see what happens.. I am curious like that.. Are you SURE it was back to back???HHHMMMmmmm????
> D
>
> Buck wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Wait a minute Mr. Miles,
> > What did you mean by that crack, Oh one who plays with fire.
>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:58:26 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Defense rests.
D
Buck wrote:
> WELL It was dark come to think of it.
> B.
>
> > Buck,
> > Quit callin' me "Mr."<G> And I am just shootin in the dark to see what happens.. I am curious like that.. Are you SURE it was back to back???HHHMMMmmmm????
> > D
> >
> > Buck wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wait a minute Mr. Miles,
> > > What did you mean by that crack, Oh one who plays with fire.
> >
> > --
> >
> > "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> > DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:14:00 -0500
From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets and Hot Rocks
Yea, and I've got a nice, black-edged, round hole in one of my canvas bags, as well as a scorched spot on one of my blankets from said hot rock. It did stay warm all night, but it _could_ have gotten a whole lot warmer real quick!
Tom
> Someone had written about heating hot rocks, that works for a little while, but as they cool down the seem to draw moisture too.
>
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:25:07 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
> Quit callin' me "Mr."<G> And I am just shootin in the dark to see what
> happens.. I am curious like that.. Are you SURE it was back to back???
Dennis,
If there was only two of them and it was dark, we will never know......but if
there were three, then someone was a gettin' the shaft. Which one of them
guys always walks around with a big smile on his face?
OldFox
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:27:35 -0800
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
GOOD point buck!!!!
J.F.
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From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
> Have slept out in -25 degree weather. There are a couple of other good
reasons why some get cold and others don't. Most are the person's own
fault.
> 1. You need to go to bed warm, dry, and have enough calories in your
system to get you through the night. Eat a late supper with plenty of fat
in it. Go for a walk to get your blood circulating, then change your dry
clothes and turn in.
> >
> 2. You need to stay away from the fire. Most guys that are fire-sitters
are always cold. You sweat more than you know when it is cold, but you
don't notice it. Sitting by the fire will get you all sweated up. You turn
in and your clothing cools off and you get cold.
> >
> 3. You need bedding that will pass moisture. If you sleep with your
head under the covers, your breath will get everything damp. When it cools
off, you will get cold. Best thing is to crawl into your blankets and then
put a small blanket over your head and face. That keeps your breath out of
your main bedding.
>
> For some reason, I always found western mountain air to be warmer than
eastern air....at the same temperature. Maybe
> cause mountain air has less humidity in it.
> >
> > Dave Kanger
> ___________________________
>
> Another item that is missed for some reason is your feet, you can watch a
guy complain about his feet being cold during the day, many times his
footwear with extra socks are to tight. Then he'll go to bed wearing his
footwear and complain all night how his feet are freezing. You tell him to
take off his shoes, boots, mocs and he'll be better off, but they never
listen.
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 20:34:12 -0800
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets !!!!!!!
No arguments, Buck. Will be away fer awhile. Head'n for the Missouri
breaks........Jordan, MT..... for a few days on a hunt with the UMO and men
of like mind.
Fair well all.
Will reestablish on my return.
John Funk
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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets !!!!!!!
> Clay Landry (God bless his heart) has long advocated that (as research
will reveal) there was nothing more that the 3 1/2 point and the
occasional/limited 4 point available in days of yore. Have we departed from
our roots???? I've done quite will with my 4 point and some heated rocks and
when things got ....unusual....a buff robe
> > filled in the vacancy. I'm 5'11 and 2xx lb. .......no snide comments
> _________________________
>
> Hey brother,
> Sounds like you better get scheduled for a few operations John, have about
6" cut off your legs and about the same cut off your butt, you would be more
period correct.
>
> Only kidding, with the difference in size today of reenacters when
compared to our forefathers that 6-7 inch difference in blankets makes the
difference in being comfortable or hanging out.
>
> As far as Witney or C.J. Wilde blanket's go, of course Witney's are
correct and C.J.'s blankets are copies of original F&I War to Rev War
blankets from several museums.
> Bottom line is all of them are copies - HBC, Witney or Wilde's, only
problem is size and if you dig long and hard enough you'll fine many
homespun blankets where alot larger than a 3-1/2 or 4 pt. blanket. Hell be
happy these folks are using blankets, beats fony bedrolls with sleeping bags
hidden in them like we all have seen in years passed.
>
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
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