Blue Heron Mercantile/Leatherstocking Supply has their rating for trade
blankets in their catalogue. They rate them as follows:
Trade blankets to 50 degrees
Ingenious and Lachine to 35 degrees
Point Blankets to 30 degrees
Buffalo rug (Witney) to 20 degrees
If you want further information you can contact them at BluHeron48@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 19:29:48 -0700
From: randybublitz@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Ralph, I have have several Whitney Blankets. I have never had a
Hudson's Bay Blanket. I use a 6 point for personal bedroll. Have a 4
point on the bed. My wife made her Capote form a 4 pt.. I made my Canoe
Capote from a 'Horse Blanket' Whitney. I would recommend the Horse
blanket. It is a little smaller, but thicker. Good for my Capote, cuts
the wind. Will be thicker for bedroll too. I am above average size, so
I chose the 6 pt. blanket for my bedroll. I woke up one morning with
frozen toes, I had pulled the 4 pt. blanket over my head in my sleep,
exposing my feet.I got home after that trip and ordered the 6 pt. Now
that I have it, I may do as well with a 5 pt. The 6 pt. is BIG. Hope
this helps. Hardtack
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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 22:15:53 -0600
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <cstmzd@ida.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Barn.
I recently bought 2 blankets from www.ebay.com A 3 1/2 point Hudson Bay in
candystripe, and a BCW 3 1/2 point white w/ black stripe. I paid $37.89 for
the Hudson and $70 for the BCW. They seem to have quite a few blankets up
for auction everytime I've checked. Both have a few small holes from moths
but I am very pleased!
Ron
P.S. I have no idea what the BCW stands for. It was made in England and has
a chiefs head on label. You can view the label at:
www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/bcw.gif Anyone know anything about this blanket
maker???
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Date: Friday, October 29, 1999 7:52 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Blankets
>Hello the List. I'm looking for another blanket for my bedroll, to use
>during the winter, 'in-tent' so weight is not a factor. Any input on Hudson
>Bay vs. Whitney vs. Pendleton, as well as sources for blankets, would be
>greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help. Barn.
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Date: 30 Oct 1999 08:27:27 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
> Rating for trade blankets in their catalogue. They rate them as follows:
>
> Trade blankets to 50 degrees
> Ingenious and Lachine to 35 degrees
> Point Blankets to 30 degrees
> Buffalo rug (Witney) to 20 degrees
>
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This rating is misleading, because it does not take into consideration age, wear, condition, etc., - then you wash it in cold water and cool dry it's different. Wash the blanket in hot water and dry hot (will shrink 4-5 inches length and width) but your rating will change greatly, as the weave has been tightened up many times.
I drive C.J. Wilde nuts when I do the hot wash on one of her blankets, it sure changes how well it keeps out the cold.
Hold up your blanket to the light before washing, take a good mental picture, then do the same after washing - you'll be surprised at the difference in the tightness of the weave.
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 08:34:53 -0700
From: John Stephens <johns@primarycolor.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
How period is THAT?
B'st'rd
Buck wrote:
>=20
> Wash the blanket in hot water and dry hot (will shrink 4-5 inches leng=
th and width)=EA
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:34:29 EDT
From: TetonTod@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
I echo what Ron said. E-bay has some great blankets for auction. I have won
bids on a couple. I also like what Buck said about "Fulling" the blankets by
shrinking them which tightens the weave considerably. Keep in mind that you
can also overdye a wool blanket rather easily, so don't be put off by an ugly
color. In the latest T&LR, Burnt Spoon had some good tips about blankets. As
far as cosmetics are concerned, remove all labels and the yarn or thread
around the edges. The blanket will only fray an inch or so and makes for a
more authentic blanket.
When it's cold, I wouldn't be without a good Whitney. Now if I could just
afford a
buffalo robe!
Todd Glover
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 14:56:05 EDT
From: BarneyPFife@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
go back to sleep b'st'rd.... <<<ggg> luv ya brother... missed you at Laguna.
Barn
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:15:32 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
In a message dated 10/30/99 1:35:50 PM Central Daylight Time,
TetonTod@aol.com writes:
> When it's cold, I wouldn't be without a good Whitney. Now if I could just
> afford a
> buffalo robe!
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:27:10 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
> When it's cold, I wouldn't be without a good Whitney.
Guys have been finding cream colored English Army surplus blankets at Army
Surplus stores. They are Whitney blankets and the price has been in the
$20-$30 price range.
I also picked up a couple of Swiss Army blankets. They were dark tan with a
red stripe.
I arrived late to a northern Iowa camp last month in the middle of a
downpour. I threw down on the ground and covered up with my tarp. I flop
around a lot when I sleep. When I woke up in the morning, the tarp wasn't
covering me anymore. I felt a little sweaty, but dry. When I went to pick
up the blankets, they weighed about 20 lbs each, and the water just poured
out of them. Musta been a gallon or more of water in each blanket.. Spread
em out on some poles to dry, and they fulled themselves during the drying
process.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 17:24:40 EDT
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
My bedroll has a 6pt witney and a CJ Wilde hand woven blanket about the same
size. I'm 6 feet tall and those blankets are about 20" longer than I am. I
fold one of them from the bottom over the top of my bedroll and the other
back under the bottom of my bedroll, both comin up to about my knees. This
forms a nice envelope for my feet and in the cold weather here in the Rockies
at 10,000 feet, they sure keep my feet warm. If my feet are happy, I'm
happy. That's the reason I changed to 6pt. In the not so cold weather, if
you drop to one blanket, you can still make the "envelope" for your feet.
I've slept under a pine tree, 15 below zero with a buffalo robe and a 6pt
witney and had to open up for air during the night!! I'm convinced those
extra layers around the feet make all the difference.
Pat surrena #1449
Jim Baker party, Colorado
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:36:27 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Washing in warm water made my 4 point a 3 point and a very tight weave.
Linda Holley
John Stephens wrote:
> How period is THAT?
>
> B'st'rd
>
> Buck wrote:
> >
> > Wash the blanket in hot water and dry hot (will shrink 4-5 inches le=
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 15:58:22 -0700
From: randybublitz@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Question: Does washing a good wool blanket in hot water remove too much
lanolin? It's the oil that makes good 'virgin' wool good wool, isn't it?
I have a 6 pt. which I feel is a bit too large, would be nice to have
it a bit smaller, yet denser...if I didn't lose too much benefit from
losing the oils. Does anyone know the particulars? Hardtack
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:27:17 EDT
From: BarneyPFife@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Randy, Everything I've read indicates that washing and drying hot is common
practice. Don't know about the effects on the oils. It appears (not yet
confirmed) that is how the Horse and Buffalo grade blankets reach their
status. Even though they are woven heavier to begin with, they are shrunken
down from a larger size to achieve the additional tightness of weave/warmth
to be rated 20 degree blankets. I'm still trying to get info on that.
Thank you Randy, Capt., Dick, Buck, Ron, Todd, Pat, Linda and Dave for all
your help. It looks now like I've got a Whitney 4 point Buffalo blanket,
white with a black stripe on the way. And yes, Cap't Lahti is right about
Pendletons. The 2 Yakimas I have in my bedroll are pretty and soft, but
didn't cut it on the 35 degree nights on Laguna Mountain.
Also, this tidbit: Multiple sources in the blanket trade have told me that
Whitney has been making blankets for Hudson Bay for nie on a couple hundred
years. Probably have to take that with a grain of salt. Barn
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Date: 30 Oct 1999 17:13:38 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
> I've slept under a pine tree, 15 below zero with a buffalo robe and a 6pt
> witney and had to open up for air during the night!! I'm convinced those
> extra layers around the feet make all the difference.
> Pat surrena #1449
Seems Pat forgot to mention that everyone in the Baker party is happy he sleeps under that buffalo robe and 6pt blanket way far away from the rest of the camp under a pine tree, right "Thunder in the Night".
Later,
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Date: 30 Oct 1999 17:31:57 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
On Sat, 30 October 1999, randybublitz@juno.com wrote:
>
> Question: Does washing a good wool blanket in hot water remove too much
> lanolin? It's the oil that makes good 'virgin' wool good wool, isn't it?
> I have a 6 pt. which I feel is a bit too large, would be nice to have
> it a bit smaller, yet denser...if I didn't lose too much benefit from
> losing the oils. Does anyone know the particulars?
I've washed my HBC, Witney, C.J.Wilde blankets at least once a year for 10 years and haven't had any problems with them, couldn't say on loosing oil ????
________________
Talking about washing, about 10-12 years ago several of us got in some of that black sticky mud along the Mississippi, up to our butts with brain-tanned leggins, pants and mocs (those that stayed on and weren't lost). Tried rinsing out the worst, wiping with a rag, you name it we tried it. Our Old Brother "Brass Turtle" many knew him, told me "hell give them to be , know an old Indian trick". We're camp in a little park near Washington MO, he talks a local into taking him to town, about 2-3 hours later that night he shows up a little worst for wear (been to the bar), has our skins and they look beautiful - like new.
Can get him to talk about how he got them cleaned that night, he's off on a self distruction mission if you know what I mean with Turtle. Next day he's telling everyone some old trick he did to clean the skins, later he tells me he took them to the laundry and washed them with "Downy" soap, all we needed to do was resmoke them and they have been fine. Some people's kids, God I miss him, like so many.
Later,
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Date: 30 Oct 1999 17:36:33 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
On Sat, 30 October 1999, John Stephens wrote:
>
> How period is THAT?
>
> B'st'rd
>
> Buck wrote:
> >
> > Wash the blanket in hot water and dry hot (will shrink 4-5 inches length and width)Ω
>
more period than taking them to the dry cleaner, our forefather did wash their equipage with hot water and dried it in the sun.
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Date: 30 Oct 1999 18:07:36 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
This thing about "rating" blankets is real questionable according to several reports I have read and I tend to go with what they say. Everyone has different temperatures they consider uncomfortable to them, I don't mean body mass - like we first think of, a heavier person is warmer than a thin one and so on.
A 1960's US Army report claimed when trying to rate blankets for different climates, it was found that some individuals temperature would be lower when sleeping than a like person in the same conditions. One may be comfortable and the other is either cold or too warm, both using the same blankets and bedding. After several years of testing all over the world they threw out their rating system and decided to make additional blanket available to those that needed them. Another report done by a Canadian firm was much the same with the same results.
A good example is Pat has just mentioned sleeping very comfortable in 15 degree weather with a buff robe and a pair of 6pt wool blankets. I happened to be on that outing with several others, I used my Wilde and a Witney horse blanket and a bedroll with the blanket covers (3) stacked light blankets under me, in an open faced lean-too. Several others knowing it was going to go to a possible -10/15 degrees brought that much or more, I think three of us slept good, a couple where cold and one sat up and kept a fire going most of the night.
The reason some slept better than others we figured was the ones with loose weave blankets cooled down the fastest and never did regain their body heat, those with tighter weave and heavier wool blankets seemed to fair better, Pat with the buff robe faired the best with less heat loss due to the hide and hair of the robe. You could see the steam coming up off that lump in the snow.
The rating idea whatever it would have been good for goes out the window with the age, condition and care of each blanket, I've talked to Jim of Blue Heron Merc. about this several years ago, nice chart, for a chart. But how does it apply to used blankets, new blankets and so on !
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 21:58:24 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
>>Several others knowing it was going to go to a possible -10/15 degrees
brought >>that much or more, I think three of us slept good, a couple where
cold and one >>sat up and kept a fire going most of the night.
>> Pat with the buff robe faired the best with less heat loss due to the hide
and hair >>of the robe. You could see the steam coming up off that lump in
the snow.
Have slept out in -25 degree weather. There are a couple of other good
reasons why some get cold and others don't. Most are the person's own fault.
1. You need to go to bed warm, dry, and have enough calories in your system
to get you through the night. Eat a late supper with plenty of fat in it.
Go for a walk to get your blood circulating, then change your dry clothes and
turn in.
2. You need to stay away from the fire. Most guys that are fire-sitters are
always cold. You sweat more than you know when it is cold, but you don't
notice it. Sitting by the fire will get you all sweated up. You turn in and
your clothing cools off and you get cold.
3. You need bedding that will pass moisture. If you sleep with your head
under the covers, your breath will get everything damp. When it cools off,
you will get cold. Best thing is to crawl into your blankets and then put a
small blanket over your head and face. That keeps your breath out of your
main bedding.
I find that I get colder when it is 30 to 35 degrees than when it is below
zero.
Slept in a snow cave once. I had to throw off the blankets because I was
sweating, yet the side of my face that was against the floor froze. My teeth
were numb for 2 days on that side.
I guess others get acclimated to cold weather better. I always liked cold
better than hot. When I was a kid, we had a screened in porch with a day bed
on it. I slept outside on it from spring until the end of November, so I
guess I grew up used to the cold. For some reason, I always found western
mountain air to be warmer than eastern air....at the same temperature. Maybe
cause mountain air has less humidity in it.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:03:25 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Pat,
Your response begs the question.....how "authentic" is a "6 point Whitney",
much less a J.C. Wilde, or is that not a legitimate concern?
John Funk
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> My bedroll has a 6pt witney and a CJ Wilde hand woven blanket about the
same
> size. I'm 6 feet tall and those blankets are about 20" longer than I am.
I
> fold one of them from the bottom over the top of my bedroll and the other
> back under the bottom of my bedroll, both comin up to about my knees.
This
> forms a nice envelope for my feet and in the cold weather here in the
Rockies
> at 10,000 feet, they sure keep my feet warm. If my feet are happy, I'm
> happy. That's the reason I changed to 6pt. In the not so cold weather,
if
> you drop to one blanket, you can still make the "envelope" for your feet.
> I've slept under a pine tree, 15 below zero with a buffalo robe and a 6pt
> witney and had to open up for air during the night!! I'm convinced those
> extra layers around the feet make all the difference.
> Pat surrena #1449
> Jim Baker party, Colorado
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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:24:37 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Blankets !!!!!!!
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Gentleman and Ladies, if ye be if like mind .......
WHAT is all this talk of "6" point and "Whitney"(etc.) blankets????????? =
Am I missing something, or what. Surely this line is not on the "AMM =
List" as well. Clay Landry (God bless his heart) has long advocated =
that (as research will reveal) there was nothing more that the 3 1/2 =
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Have we departed from our roots???? I've done quite will with my 4 =
point and some heated rocks and when things got ....unusual....a buff =
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> At one time I had a book about Liver Eatin' Johnson [aka John
Johnston].
>While there have been several books about Johnson/Johnston, this one was,
>supposedly, the most authentic biography. I read it several times and
>always enjoyed.
> However, I lent it to some thievin' varmint and never got it back. I
>have also forgotten the exact title and author.
> Can anyone help me out so I can look for another copy?
>Frank "Bearclaw" Fusco, Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:43:46 -0800
From: randybublitz@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Liver eatin' Johnson
Frank, Could you be talking about 'Mountain Man' by Vardis Fisher?
The movie 'Jeremiah Johnson' was loosly based on this book. I have an
old paperback copyrighted in 1965. Hope this helps. Hardtack
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Date: 31 Oct 1999 13:49:04 -0800
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Have slept out in -25 degree weather. There are a couple of other good reasons why some get cold and others don't. Most are the person's own fault.
1. You need to go to bed warm, dry, and have enough calories in your system to get you through the night. Eat a late supper with plenty of fat in it. Go for a walk to get your blood circulating, then change your dry clothes and turn in.
>
2. You need to stay away from the fire. Most guys that are fire-sitters are always cold. You sweat more than you know when it is cold, but you don't notice it. Sitting by the fire will get you all sweated up. You turn in and your clothing cools off and you get cold.
>
3. You need bedding that will pass moisture. If you sleep with your head under the covers, your breath will get everything damp. When it cools off, you will get cold. Best thing is to crawl into your blankets and then put a small blanket over your head and face. That keeps your breath out of your main bedding.
For some reason, I always found western mountain air to be warmer than eastern air....at the same temperature. Maybe
cause mountain air has less humidity in it.
>
> Dave Kanger
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Another item that is missed for some reason is your feet, you can watch a guy complain about his feet being cold during the day, many times his footwear with extra socks are to tight. Then he'll go to bed wearing his footwear and complain all night how his feet are freezing. You tell him to take off his shoes, boots, mocs and he'll be better off, but they never listen.
Later,
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:56:55 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Blankets
Buck,
I always build me a nice bed of grasses, leaves or some such to get me up off the ground, and then get a blanket under me and one on top.And although I go barefoot until there is actually snow on the ground, I wear a nice thick pair of wool socks, a touque and mebby mittens to bed.. Makes a difference. When possible I build a litter shelter with a reflector fire in front.
I stay as comfortable as can be expected in the conditions. Also, when in extreme cold or wet weather, we just buddy up 2-3 folks to a shelter & fire.
D
Buck wrote:
> Have slept out in -25 degree weather. There are a couple of other good reasons why some get cold and others don't. Most are the person's own fault.
> 1. You need to go to bed warm, dry, and have enough calories in your system to get you through the night. Eat a late supper with plenty of fat in it. Go for a walk to get your blood circulating, then change your dry clothes and turn in.
> >
> 2. You need to stay away from the fire. Most guys that are fire-sitters are always cold. You sweat more than you know when it is cold, but you don't notice it. Sitting by the fire will get you all sweated up. You turn in and your clothing cools off and you get cold.
> >
> 3. You need bedding that will pass moisture. If you sleep with your head under the covers, your breath will get everything damp. When it cools off, you will get cold. Best thing is to crawl into your blankets and then put a small blanket over your head and face. That keeps your breath out of your main bedding.
>
> For some reason, I always found western mountain air to be warmer than eastern air....at the same temperature. Maybe
> cause mountain air has less humidity in it.
> >
> > Dave Kanger
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> Another item that is missed for some reason is your feet, you can watch a guy complain about his feet being cold during the day, many times his footwear with extra socks are to tight. Then he'll go to bed wearing his footwear and complain all night how his feet are freezing. You tell him to take off his shoes, boots, mocs and he'll be better off, but they never listen.
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
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