I have carried a large sticker in an over the shoulder rig for several years, have little use for a sheath knife and none for a hawk. It works for me. Very handy.
D
>
> Buck Conner Wrote:
>
> Lewis or was it Clark, carried a large knife over his shoulder instead of a hawk. Dennis Miles (on this list)does the same and could give you more information on what works with his testing of this method of carry.
- --
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 18:23:15 -0500
From: Farseer <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: screening for metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC]
I'll second that recommendation. I had the lead test run a few years ago
(came from my hobby of playing with lead miniatures. It was worth the
peace of mind. Guess I'll start making that a regular addition to my blood
work I get every year (company I work for does blood workups on us every
year. Kinda handy working for a clinical info systems co. Lots of handy
dandy connections when it comes to health care)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of NaugaMok@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 8:44 PM
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: screening for metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC]
>
>
> In a message dated 99-09-30 17:05:37 EDT, you write:
>
> << OK, it's off topic, casted lead whatevers for ever, now what
> do I due, not
> selling the front stuffers. Are there any signs that will tell me
> I need help
> ? >>
>
> Next time you have a physical, have your Dr. request a "heavy
> metal" test as
> part of his normal lab work. It's done on the blood, so while
> you're getting
> jabbed for the colesterol test & such, 1 more little tube full
> won't hurt any
> more. The test not only picks up lead, but various other heavy
> metals like
> cadmium, mercury, & others we as ball casters, outdoorsmen, &
> reenactors may
> come in contact with. I have it checked about every 5 years or so.
>
> NM
>
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:45:19 -0400
From: "Possum Hunter" <POSSUMHUNTER@prodigy.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Off Topic, but important
Please mister list owner, move my subscription from POSSUMHUNTER@prodigy.net
to icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com. I have been asking for a week now. I want
to remove this horrible curse called Prodigy Internet from my computer for
good.
Thank You, Kevin Raper
"No man can truly know Christ except he follow him in life" ( Testimony of
Anabaptist leader Hans Denk)
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:47:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Frank V. Rago" <ikon@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: wearing of extra knives
While at the rendezvous I will carry my bowie on the left side for a cross
draw style plus the way it is positioned it does not bother me when I sit.
I also have an old small folder that is in the possibles bag. When I go
over to the throwing comp. I will put the thrower on the right side and
stick a hawk in the back or of lately have that on a sling. Years ago I had
been know to walk up with 4 throwing knives, my bowie and a hawk but I was a
little green then and very uncomfortable, hell if someone nocked me over I
probably would have stabbed myself one way or the other.
Most of the books and info that I have read showed most men carried a belt
knife and kept the rest in their horses packs for kitchen duty. Have not
read much about neck knives, they seem like they would be a pain and always
in the way.
At 06:46 PM 10/1/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> Buck & Patrick
>
> It was Clark...
>I have carried a large sticker in an over the shoulder rig for several
years, have little use for a sheath knife and none for a hawk. It works for
me. Very handy.
>D
>
>
>>
>> Buck Conner Wrote:
>
>>
>> Lewis or was it Clark, carried a large knife over his shoulder instead of
a hawk. Dennis Miles (on this list)does the same and could give you more
information on what works with his testing of this method of carry.
>
>--
>
>"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:15:47 EDT
From: BarneyPFife@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: knives
certainly there were 'boot' knives. Barn
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:27:55 EDT
From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: knives
In a message dated 10/1/99 6:18:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
BarneyPFife@aol.com writes:
<< certainly there were 'boot' knives. Barn >>
I tried a boot knife but couldn't get it my mocersins.
Longshot
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 21:05:26 -0500
From: Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Book sale was Re: Providing References
Washtahay-
went to the bookstore today, blew my accumulated credit on books that
(IMO) qualify as decent references. These are hereby offered to
listmembers at my cost. Contact me directly for particulars.
LongWalker c. du B.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 21:01:55 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <J2Hearts@norcalis.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: On Copper Trade Pots
Anybody remember back in the late 40's and 50's when toothpaste was sold in
lead foil tubes? I do!!!!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: On Copper Trade Pots
> On Fri, 01 October 1999, John Kramer wrote:
>
> >
> > Buck,
> >
> > I forget the exact date but back in the 1600's the British passed a law
> > prohibiting the use of lead in pewter used for food service. I don't
remember
> > if that was the source of the term Britannia Metal.
> >
> > Of course there have been the unscrupulous in all periods of history but
some
> > of the problems with lead have been long known.
> >
> > If in doubt one of the home lead test kits on the market can confirm or
deny
> > the presence of lead in pewter as well as in glazes on pottery, or paint
on
> > walls. Many coffee cups from the Orient still offer a significant
hazard.
> >
> > John...
>
> John,
>
> It seems that several of these TV programs (Steve & Norm) etc, are always
worried about lead paint, even as late as the 20's and 30's paints. It's
like you say we knew about it, yet it still keeps popping up.
>
> In the communications business we still have unbelievable amounts of lead
wrapped cable in the ground, vaults and in man holes. It's only been the
last 15-20 years that we started to write jobs, to remove it and still no
rubber goods- gloves, coveralls, etc. to remove "white" lead (in that bad of
a condition) but it still holds air pressure in the case.
>
> The same goes with other industries having it laying around, I picked up
some really nice clean 6" X 8" X 3" lead bars that came from a melt down in
one of our subs being taken apart at the Navy yard in San Diego a few years
ago, the dealer claimed you won't glow ?? Paid 15 cents a pound.
>
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
>
> AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
> Aux Ailments de Pays!
> _____________________________
>
> Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
>
>
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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 06:14:54 GMT
From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: screening for metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC]
Well, I hope somebody sees this before it makes it to the list and
kills it. This was my standard rant and reply, which usually gets
edited when I calm down some 12-24 hours later, and often times never
posted. Hit the wrong key this time, and posted it to the list.
Can't get it back. If Dean doesn't find this in time, the rest of you
will be subjected to it.
=46WIW, no major apologies. Just said what I was thinking, but would
have rephrased the 4-letter word parts. Probably would have rephrased
other parts so as not to be so obnoxious. Anyway, unless Dean kills
this, comments welcome via email, but understand that email becomes my
property, and subject to reposting. If you have a problem with that,
don't send email.
Thanks, Texan, for your efforts. Hang your shingle in our lodge any
time you want.
Roy
I've substituted XXXX for the person who last posted on this thread.
Not all of the comments are necessarily his/hers, and I didn't want to
blame anyone who might have a bit of innocence. However, if you're
one of the ones who subscribe to the following idiotic theory, let us
pray you have no children so the gene pool will die off with you.
Please God, grant us small miracles, as we have enough fuckheads
already.
OK, I have lost track of some of this thread, but I THINK XXXX
generated the note that generated my reply. XXXX, if I'm wrong, and
you're not the writer, I humbly apologize for the following post. If
you are the writer, I don't apologize in the slightest, as only an
idiot or an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand could write drivel
such as you did, and the ostrich could probably spell better.
My comments begin....
Speaking only for myself, I think safety items/issues such as the
current discussion about copper cooking utensils (not just pots) is of
sufficient importance that it should NOT be excluded from the main
list. =20
In fact, it should be a very high priority on this list. I find it
offensive that XXXX even suggest taking it off the discussion list
because it is not TPPC "Totally Period Politically Correct" Living
History. Maybe XXXX doesn't want to know about ways of poisoning
himself in pre-1840 style, but others of us have more of a life to
live. Even Clinton is not this stupid.
Texan made a great offer to all of us, one many of us might not be
able to afford without this generous offer, and shouldn't have been
handed a backhanded slap, let alone one up front. Texan should be
lifted on our shoulders for trying to help us out. Instead, some
folks on this list are taking cheap shots and saying take this off
line because this topic of potential lead, copper, etc heavy metal
poisoning is 'not traditional'. =20
Bullshit!
Texan, I'm very proud of you for continuing to post your offer in the
face of one of these TPPC (henceforth known as tipsees) efforts at
censorship. I
Maybe I'm reading what XXXX wrote wrong, but I gather that XXXX
considers anything non-period, regardless of whether other subscribers
of this list might find it important or not, to be an 'off-topic'
post.=20
=46rankly, I consider potential health warnings a lot more important
than the proper spur to wear if you are interpreting a Texican from
the 1840's, or the proper technique for turning deer brains into
proper leather clothing (been there, done that, and it is a rather
interesting topic).=20
And I can't actually consider members of this list major brain troves
when I offer them a free copy of the complete ledgers of cost of goods
in New Orleans in 1836 and exactly two people take me up on it. I
realize not everyone is interested in New Orleans, but wouldn't you
have liked to known the wholesale price of powder back then? How about
lead? Or the price of beaver?
I say we should post full information about various health hazards,
perhaps flag it 'OT' in the header for those who don't want to read it
(make the tipsees (TPPC-Totally Period Politically Correct) happy -
they can keep their heads in the sand), but put the info out there for
those of us who are concerned about better ways to avoid lead and
copper poisoning, anthrax, cancer, et al. =20
Those who want to be tipsees don't have to read it, and can load up
on lead, copper, jalapenos, cadmium, and any other heavy metal or
other poison they so desire in blissful ignorance. This will be a
hardship on the rest of the group in coming years since we will have
to go to many more funerals. Will probably be worth it as the
Darwinian weeding out of the totally insipid follows. =20
The rest of us should back off and let the newsgroup/email list do
it's thing, which is to inform subscribers of important stuff. Just
because it is NOT important to me, doesn't mean it is NOT important to
to someone else. =20
I've been a member of this newslist for quite a few years, back even
when Dean had to hand address some of the email because there was no
solid forum across the net, and that was the only way he could ensure
I got all the emails from the list. AOL was a dream in somebody's eye
at the time, and the internet joke. The purpose then was a living
history forum. It was NOT an AMM forum (separate list for that), but
was dedicated to those interested in learning 'how' things were done
in the old days. Yes, the emphasis was on learning from the Fur Trade
in the Rockies, but skills and lessons from the RW and before were
welcomed. =20
As a former member of the Brigade of the American Revolution, now
transplanted to the Republic of Texas (Hallaluja!), this was important
to me. Things I had learned about the 1750's were allowed to be
passed on to those who followed a trail 100 years later.
Has this changed? Do we now have self-appointed moderators saying
what can/cannot be posted? Do we have Dean Rudy appointed moderators
doing the same? I ask this in all ignorance? If the rules for the
newsgroup have changed, and I missed them, I want to know. Dean set
the mail list up for us, and by using it, we agree to all restrictions
(or none as the case may be) he sets. But it should be a level
playing field.
I mean, I find references to folks telling about stories of being
drunk, disabled, disgusting on the emaillist, and nobody demanding
they take these threads off line. I see jokes about Texas, and some
of the boys from lesser states demanding that these posts be taken off
line. And then I see Texan's posts, offering medical tests at actual
laboratory cost that might save one of our friends lives, and some
total absolute asshole licking Clinty wannabe joker demands THESE
posts be taken off line as off topic.
Never, in all this time, listening to all the diatribes that have come
across my newsreader in all these years, have I ever read anything I
find so offensive as this series of posts trying to shut Texan up,
Am I overreacting? Perhaps. But I find the posts trying to silence
her so offensive, I cannot keep silent.
A question to the email list. Are you going to permit this to
continue? Are you going to let some folks shout down what you post
just because it is not what they want to hear?
On 30 Sep 1999 18:25:46 -0700, you wrote:
>Victoria,
>
>I will contact Dean myself and ask for his permission for you to list =
the general information, then those interested can contact you off_list =
for personal needs. This way only those interested in going further will =
be in contact with you, saving you sometime with e-mail, etc.
>
>Does this seem fair to those on this list, something to consider and a =
lesson our forefathers didn't know about - lead poisioning and other =
health problems in reenacting their life styles!!!!=20
>I'll wait until Sunday to see how those interested feel, we'll try and =
keep this to a min. on the list. E-mail me at buck.conner@uswestmail.net =
and let me know if we should continue or to drop the subject, the results=
will be counted at 12 noon mst and I'll either contact Dean or we'll =
just drop the deal, that seems fair to everyone and keeps traffic down on=
In a message dated 10/1/1999 6:30:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
LODGEPOLE@aol.com writes:
> I tried a boot knife but couldn't get it my mocersins.
>
> Longshot
Longshot, You need a summer knife or winter mocs <gg> get the mocs cuz
there's snow rondy's comin' up. yeeehaww Barn.
------------------------------
Date: 2 Oct 1999 05:52:16 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: screening for metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC]
On Fri, 01 October 1999, Roy Parker wrote:
>
> Well, I hope somebody sees this before it makes it to the list and
> kills it. This was my standard rant and reply, which usually gets
> edited when I calm down some 12-24 hours later, and often times never
> posted. Hit the wrong key this time, and posted it to the list.
> Can't get it back. If Dean doesn't find this in time, the rest of you
> will be subjected to it.
>
> FWIW, no major apologies. Just said what I was thinking, but would
> have rephrased the 4-letter word parts. Probably would have rephrased
> other parts so as not to be so obnoxious. Anyway, unless Dean kills
> this, comments welcome via email, but understand that email becomes my
> property, and subject to reposting. If you have a problem with that,
> don't send email.
>
> Thanks, Texan, for your efforts. Hang your shingle in our lodge any
> time you want.
>
> Roy
>
>
>
>
>
> I've substituted XXXX for the person who last posted on this thread.
> Not all of the comments are necessarily his/hers, and I didn't want to
> blame anyone who might have a bit of innocence. However, if you're
> one of the ones who subscribe to the following idiotic theory, let us
> pray you have no children so the gene pool will die off with you.
> Please God, grant us small miracles, as we have enough fuckheads
> already.
>
> OK, I have lost track of some of this thread, but I THINK XXXX
> generated the note that generated my reply. XXXX, if I'm wrong, and
> you're not the writer, I humbly apologize for the following post. If
> you are the writer, I don't apologize in the slightest, as only an
> idiot or an ostrich with its head stuck in the sand could write drivel
> such as you did, and the ostrich could probably spell better.
>
> My comments begin....
>
> Speaking only for myself, I think safety items/issues such as the
> current discussion about copper cooking utensils (not just pots) is of
> sufficient importance that it should NOT be excluded from the main
> list.
>
> In fact, it should be a very high priority on this list. I find it
> offensive that XXXX even suggest taking it off the discussion list
> because it is not TPPC "Totally Period Politically Correct" Living
> History. Maybe XXXX doesn't want to know about ways of poisoning
> himself in pre-1840 style, but others of us have more of a life to
> live. Even Clinton is not this stupid.
>
> Texan made a great offer to all of us, one many of us might not be
> able to afford without this generous offer, and shouldn't have been
> handed a backhanded slap, let alone one up front. Texan should be
> lifted on our shoulders for trying to help us out. Instead, some
> folks on this list are taking cheap shots and saying take this off
> line because this topic of potential lead, copper, etc heavy metal
> poisoning is 'not traditional'.
>
> Bullshit!
>
> Texan, I'm very proud of you for continuing to post your offer in the
> face of one of these TPPC (henceforth known as tipsees) efforts at
> censorship. I
>
> Maybe I'm reading what XXXX wrote wrong, but I gather that XXXX
> considers anything non-period, regardless of whether other subscribers
> of this list might find it important or not, to be an 'off-topic'
> post.
>
> Frankly, I consider potential health warnings a lot more important
> than the proper spur to wear if you are interpreting a Texican from
> the 1840's, or the proper technique for turning deer brains into
> proper leather clothing (been there, done that, and it is a rather
> interesting topic).
>
> And I can't actually consider members of this list major brain troves
> when I offer them a free copy of the complete ledgers of cost of goods
> in New Orleans in 1836 and exactly two people take me up on it. I
> realize not everyone is interested in New Orleans, but wouldn't you
> have liked to known the wholesale price of powder back then? How about
> lead? Or the price of beaver?
>
> I say we should post full information about various health hazards,
> perhaps flag it 'OT' in the header for those who don't want to read it
> (make the tipsees (TPPC-Totally Period Politically Correct) happy -
> they can keep their heads in the sand), but put the info out there for
> those of us who are concerned about better ways to avoid lead and
> copper poisoning, anthrax, cancer, et al.
>
> Those who want to be tipsees don't have to read it, and can load up
> on lead, copper, jalapenos, cadmium, and any other heavy metal or
> other poison they so desire in blissful ignorance. This will be a
> hardship on the rest of the group in coming years since we will have
> to go to many more funerals. Will probably be worth it as the
> Darwinian weeding out of the totally insipid follows.
>
> The rest of us should back off and let the newsgroup/email list do
> it's thing, which is to inform subscribers of important stuff. Just
> because it is NOT important to me, doesn't mean it is NOT important to
> to someone else.
>
> I've been a member of this newslist for quite a few years, back even
> when Dean had to hand address some of the email because there was no
> solid forum across the net, and that was the only way he could ensure
> I got all the emails from the list. AOL was a dream in somebody's eye
> at the time, and the internet joke. The purpose then was a living
> history forum. It was NOT an AMM forum (separate list for that), but
> was dedicated to those interested in learning 'how' things were done
> in the old days. Yes, the emphasis was on learning from the Fur Trade
> in the Rockies, but skills and lessons from the RW and before were
> welcomed.
>
> As a former member of the Brigade of the American Revolution, now
> transplanted to the Republic of Texas (Hallaluja!), this was important
> to me. Things I had learned about the 1750's were allowed to be
> passed on to those who followed a trail 100 years later.
>
> Has this changed? Do we now have self-appointed moderators saying
> what can/cannot be posted? Do we have Dean Rudy appointed moderators
> doing the same? I ask this in all ignorance? If the rules for the
> newsgroup have changed, and I missed them, I want to know. Dean set
> the mail list up for us, and by using it, we agree to all restrictions
> (or none as the case may be) he sets. But it should be a level
> playing field.
>
> I mean, I find references to folks telling about stories of being
> drunk, disabled, disgusting on the emaillist, and nobody demanding
> they take these threads off line. I see jokes about Texas, and some
> of the boys from lesser states demanding that these posts be taken off
> line. And then I see Texan's posts, offering medical tests at actual
> laboratory cost that might save one of our friends lives, and some
> total absolute asshole licking Clinty wannabe joker demands THESE
> posts be taken off line as off topic.
>
> Never, in all this time, listening to all the diatribes that have come
> across my newsreader in all these years, have I ever read anything I
> find so offensive as this series of posts trying to shut Texan up,
> Am I overreacting? Perhaps. But I find the posts trying to silence
> her so offensive, I cannot keep silent.
>
> A question to the email list. Are you going to permit this to
> continue? Are you going to let some folks shout down what you post
> just because it is not what they want to hear............................................
_____________________________________
What is your problem Parker, we where trying to keep this down to a min. of crap, but as usual look what happens. As the lady said she would prefer to handle this off list because of personal issues each individual may have to deal with, that was the reason she gave her e-mail address.
No one is doing anything other than trying to make her wishes/life as easy as possible. I have been talking with her and she now is starting to realize what a project she has undertaken.
I told her she needs to collect at least postage and material costs, she has dropped her $75 up from charge to try and help, she doesn't need to loose any postage or other costs. I have told her to be sure she's not going to come up short on trying to help and just being a nice person.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
Aux Ailments de Pays!
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:42:26 -0000
From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: screening for metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC]
Roy, I agree with Buck. Moreover, whether on list or off, I am taken aback
by the shrill level of your ranting in general and your deliberate
crude/vulgar insults. Moderator or not, no list should have to deal with
such nonsense. Civility is something valuable to this list, as it is to
society in general. Perhaps this nice Lady's offer is coming at a good
time, for a few of us here in Texas, at the least, as I gather that the
toxic substances discussed can adversely affect those portions of the brain
dealing with mature concepts of restraint, common sense and simple civility.
Just my point of view---from a fellow Texan, who never chewed the toothpaste
tubes or licked the flaking lead based paint off of his crib. Regards,
Paul
------------------------------
Date: 2 Oct 1999 07:01:50 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "UPDATE" metal toxicity[OFF TOPIC]
Members of this list and members of several other lists that have been in contact on this topic.
___________________________
Victoria has been kind enought to drop her up front charge of $75 and has made the offer to provide us with information and instructions in this manner, off_list. I will repeat OFF_LIST.
___________________________
Several things I have asked for, from her is:
Her cost for mailing these packets.
Any additional costs she may occure.
Make a simple question and answer form (we would fill out about our health, etc.).
When the results come back from the lab, a scheduled time period or appointment time frame for her to talk to each interested party. (she doesn't want to get to bogged down, so lets not tie her up 10 hours a day or all of her free time when not working at her job).
* Remember it's your nickel, you call her at your appointment time and any additional costs mentioned above are yours too.
___________________________
These few simple basic steps will save her time and no money out of her pocket, we should cover any costs and please don't be pushy, she has other things going on in her life just like you.
___________________________
As far as the response OFF_LIST, that seemed to offend one person, we have had (31) wanting the test and ( 0 ) remarks or comments on the NO side of the coin as of last night.
At this point Victoria's service is a go and she will give us a simple Q&A form on this list to start the ball rolling (probably the first of the week). Her mother and father are visiting this weekend and she told me she would contact me late Sunday evening.
After you have gotten your paperwork from her and have done the needed lab things and sent the required material to them with your payment for their service, you'll have to wait for the results.
Then you will be able to reply with your answers, comments, etc. to her at her e-mail as she has requested, once your lab tests have been returned to you. It will all be between you and her from this point on, depending on what is required and the findings from the report.
I hope that will answer most questions, this is all I know, anything else will have to be answered by Victoria, along with her e-mail address again for those that have deleted it by mistake.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
Aux Ailments de Pays!
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