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hist_text-digest     Wednesday, September 15 1999     Volume 01 : Number 370



In this issue:

-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
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-áááááá MtMan-List: New Guy
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: New Guy
-áááááá MtMan-List: new guy
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: New Guy, and other things....
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: New Guy, and other things....
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: New Guy
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
-áááááá MtMan-List: SPURS
-áááááá MtMan-List: address change
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: SPURS
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: SPURS
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: SPURS
-áááááá MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:10:58 -0600
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

Linda,

Best of luck, sure glad there are no such things here in Colorado.

let us know that you're OK when it's all over. If you need anything, I'll do
my best to help.

Lou Sickler
Colorado Territory

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Linda Holley [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, September 13, 1999 5:10 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    MtMan-List: Way off the list......
>
> Well guys, now we have a hurricane named Floyd.  If you do not hear from
> us East Coast people for a while, just wait, we maybe flying by in the
> wind.  Say hello as we pass.
> Getting all the guns, art work, Powder is buried, and myself ready.
> Tipi is being put into storage as I may have to live in it.  Just what I
> wanted in life,  Camping out in what is left of my back yard.
> Say a prayer for us Fla. people....we need it.
>
> Linda Holley
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:25:00 -0400
From: Fred A. Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

On Mon, 13 Sep 1999, you wrote:
>Well guys, now we have a hurricane named Floyd.  If you do not hear from
>us East Coast people for a while, just wait, we maybe flying by in the
>wind.  Say hello as we pass.
>Getting all the guns, art work, Powder is buried, and myself ready.
>Tipi is being put into storage as I may have to live in it.  Just what I
>wanted in life,  Camping out in what is left of my back yard.
>Say a prayer for us Fla. people....we need it.

Ya have that and a lot more!

Best,

Fred

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:28:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

Our Idaho prayers our with all of you gator's.  This one looks really
bad...keep us posted  as you can.   God be with you all...
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Sleeps Loudly

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 17:31:22 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

Linda,
Good luck to you.  Keep your head down.
John Funk

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 4:10 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Way off the list......


> Well guys, now we have a hurricane named Floyd.  If you do not hear from
> us East Coast people for a while, just wait, we maybe flying by in the
> wind.  Say hello as we pass.
> Getting all the guns, art work, Powder is buried, and myself ready.
> Tipi is being put into storage as I may have to live in it.  Just what I
> wanted in life,  Camping out in what is left of my back yard.
> Say a prayer for us Fla. people....we need it.
>
> Linda Holley
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:13:10 +0000
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

Linda Holley wrote:

> Well guys, now we have a hurricane named Floyd.
> Say a prayer for us Fla. people....we need it.

Linda,

You got the prayer. How many round balls do you have poured up? Fill
your pockets with them and hang on girl! We'll be thinking about you
all. I remain....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:33:13 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

Hey Linda... Mouse and I are going to come up and stay wit h you... Naples
ain't too safe either...

Addison and Vicki

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:06:29 -0500
From: "Rick and Rose" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: New Guy

Though I might introduce myself, just got on the list today. My name is Rick
Scarlet. I live in Missouri. I have been interested in rendevous for quite
awhile, just no time. I would appreciate hearing from some of you about the
best way to get started. I went to a rendevous in Brunswick MO. a few years
ago and everyone seems nice and friendly. I just felt out of place. I do
some blacksmithing and some blackpowder shooting. Thanks for listening. Rick

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:29:25 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Guy

Hi Rick,    My advice;  find a local black powder shooting club and shoot
with them.  Attend local Rdvs., most of us will bend over backward to
help a 'newbie'.  Buy some of the Book Of Buckskinning series (7 in all),
read them and start trying your hand at making your outfit.   You don't
have to spend a lot of money to get started, but if you pursue it you
will proly spend a fortune <s>....  Start slow and simple.  Most
mountaineers had plain, simple stuff- and not a lot of it. I know a bunch
of guys in Mo., and i live in Cal..  Spend more money on books at first,
read them, then you will have a better idea what gear is right and
proper.  This approach may save you a lot of money in the long run.
Hardtack

Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give
up your Rights

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 23:52:55 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: new guy

Rick
Here is a letter that I have sent to newcomers...pilgrims.....for a =
couple of years.  Others have told me that it was of some help to them.  =
I hope some parts of it will be helpful to you, too.  I don't presume to =
say this letter is holy writ concerning buckskinning, merely that it can =
be helpful. =20
Don't be afraid to jump in with a question to this list.  You will find =
almost everybody to be helpful to a pilgrim.  "Pilgrim" is not a =
perjorative word ,by the way, it merely indicates that you are a =
newcomer to the hobby.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff




Letter to Newcomers
By Lanney Ratcliff

I have given the same advice to numerous pilgrims. DO NOT SPEND A BUNCH =
OF MONEY TO GO TO YOUR FIRST RENDEZVOUS!!

A weekend pre-1840 club rendezvous will have a multitude of different =
styles of dress, accoutrements, shelters, guns --- everything---for you =
to see. Call a club member (preferably an officer) and ask that person =
to put you in contact with a club member (s) near your home. Visit with =
that person and find out more particulars about that club. Ask him to =
help you outfit yourself in a "generic", lowcost set of clothes. Find =
out if a pair of boots or moccasins you might already own is acceptable =
at that club's doin's. That sort of thing.

You might spend $12 on Book of Buckskinning Vol.1 and read it. It will =
give you a reasonably useable overview of buckskinning. However, don't =
make the mistake of treating it as holy writ...just a guide. Contact =
Scurlock Publishing Co. Inc, Dept B7, Rt 5, Box 347-M, Texarkana, Texas =
75501, 800-228-6389.

Most clubs are pretty forgiving of newcomers and visitors so long as =
they display the right spirit and show up in a reasonably acceptable =
outfit. Some clubs have a supply of clothes to loan to a pilgrim, =
although you might find most of the loaners to be outgrown kids' stuff. =
At any rate, a first timer's clothes should be as non-specific as =
possible---something just about anyone would have worn in the time from =
about 1840 back to the turn of the eighteenth century...cloth trousers, =
cotton pullover, dropshoulder shirt, wide leather belt with a simple =
buckle and (at most rendezvous) round or square toe, low heel leather =
boots with the tops kept under the trouser bottoms, or moccasins.

Get a natural colored canvas haversack to carry a spoon, a tin pie plate =
and a tin (or plain crockery) cup. Avoid blue, green, red or any other =
color speckled enamel ware. Period.

People will darn near compete to feed you (if you're not a jerk or =
something), but it is considered good manners to provide your own place =
setting, as it were. Ask your club contact his advice on a bedroll and =
to help you find someone you can camp with. A good wool blanket rolled =
into an 8X8 or 10X10 square of white canvas with a smaller canvas ground =
cloth is a good start. Find out how to set a diamond shelter with the =
square of canvas or stretch it over a rope or wooden ridgepole to make a =
simple "A" frame tent.

Most clubs allow very nearly anything in a camp so long as it is kept =
covered--completely-- and will permit a car in camp for a short time to =
unload on Friday (or even early Saturday). So don't be shy about =
bringing a cooler with drinks and fresh food and a sleeping pad of some =
sort.

Bring food that doesn't need to be cooked or that can be cooked simply =
(on a stick) over a fire. Wander around camp and observe the various =
cooks in action, and come better equipped next time.

Don't buy a gun before going to rendezvous for the first time. If you =
must carry somethig, carry a walking staff. It will make you look a =
little like Moses and costs essentially nothing. There will be guns =
there of every description and if you let it be known that you would =
like to talk about guns, you will find people falling all over =
themselves to talk about guns, to show you theirs and to let you shoot =
them.

Talk with these same people about their clothes and why they dress the =
way they do. You will soon see the various times and places that are =
represented. If one particular style appeals to you, find out all you =
can about that style...is it actually period and, if so, specifically =
when and where that style of dress was common. If you are certain that =
you have found a suitable style of dress, find out what gun would be =
appropriate to carry. Don't make this decision in haste. Take your =
time...your generic stuff will always be correct.

When you are resonably certain about a particular style, do the research =
necessary to get yourself a good, sturdy, not too showey outfit. Then =
concern yourself about a gun. If you decide , for instance, that the =
French & Indian War period (1756) is where your interest lies, you don't =
want to suddenly remember that you already spent a small fortune on a =
top quality percussion mountain rifle suitable for the Rocky Mountains =
in the 1830's. Then you will have to once again explain to She Who Must =
Be Obeyed how important it is for you to spend $1200 on a gun that only =
shoots once. Waugh!! (you CAN buy excellent guns for a lot less than =
$1200, by the way). However, when you have decided...for sure...where =
your interest lies, then buy the best gun your purse will allow. In =
fact, strain it a little. Avoid cheap goods---always.

Ask the people with the best guns where they got theirs and if the same =
gunmaker's name keeps coming up go find that gunmaker. Even then, don't =
rush to buy a gun. Look at a pile of them before buying one--find out =
what a good gun is and buy the best you can afford. If someone tries =
really hard to sell you a particular gun be aware that he probably is =
more interested in selling you what he is trying to get rid of rather =
than trying to sell you what you need.

Make yourself acquainted with longtime members and ask each of them =
about their buckskinner library. Get a list of commonly recommended =
books (get the title, author and ISBN number---your bookseller will =
thank you) and build a quality library. Don't let anybody tell you that =
the complete set of Book of Buckskinning is all you need. Get them, for =
sure, but don't stop there.

Pardon my long winded reply to your query. I hope you find some good =
guidance in your pursuit of this truly wonderful hobby---that's what it =
is, you know. However,if you are lucky you will find yourself making =
buckskinning an integral part of your lifestyle, your daily conduct, =
even your home's decor. You will find that you will have greater =
confidence and pride in yourself and your abilities. Most people are too =
timid to do what you will soon be able to do without thinking twice.

Good Luck,
Lanney Ratcliff

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:50:35 -0700
From: "Corey Tretteen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Guy, and other things....

Rick-

You will find that the people on this list are very friendly, and very =
helpful.  I've been on here for about a year, and every time I ask a =
question, it pretty much gets answered promptly, and in great detail.  I =
have never been steered wrong yet.  : ) =20

To the rest of  the list...  I don't know if you remember or not, but =
awhile back I asked how a person got a name. I was told that usually your =
buddies give you one after they have been around you for awhile, and get =
to know you.  Well, it happened.  I was out shooting with some guys, and =
for one reason or another I had a reason to howl.   I don't know how =
realistic it was, but I promptly got dubed "Wolf Talker".  I don't know =
how realistic that name is either, but that is what I got stuck with.  =
"Talker" for short.  This one makes a little more sense.  : )   So anyway, =
until something better comes along....

Talker

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:37:14 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

good luck linda---keep your self out of the wind---we will probably be
getting some of the rain and wind on this coast too---let us know how you
fair---

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida     34684        Phone:    [phone]
e-mail:   [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 01:56:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Guy, and other things....

Congrats "Talker",


I got named this summer myself. My buddy was very kind (no thanks to my wife)
and named me "Sleeps Loudly."  I'll let your imagination take over from
there.  Welcome aboard...
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Sleeps loudly

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 06:19:27 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Guy

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New Guy, Cool !  And a Blacksmith to boot !

My advice is listen well to Randy and Lanney.  They know they're stuff .

Welcome !

Pendleton
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:39:50 -0400
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

Many round balls and lots of 45s'.   The Storm is headed more north.
But boarding up anyway and putting all books in plastic.  Everything in
plastic and on the floor.  If the roof goes, trying to save what I can.
Had friends who lived through Andrew.  They lived in their tipi for 3
months.  That was about the only thing they saved.

THANKS for all the good thought we have been getting from the list.  I
know this is all way off the base, but it is comforting to know you
wonderful guys and ladies are thinking about us poor Fla. people.  Now
my prayers are going for the Carolinas group.  You are going to need it
too.


Linda Holley

R Lahti wrote:

> Linda Holley wrote:
>
> > Well guys, now we have a hurricane named Floyd.
> > Say a prayer for us Fla. people....we need it.
>
> Linda,
>
> You got the prayer. How many round balls do you have poured up? Fill
> your pockets with them and hang on girl! We'll be thinking about you
> all. I remain....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 10:45:06 -0400
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......

Be my guest.  Seems like I just got some calls and extended invitations to
other re-enactors and friends.  Could get real friendly here.  They are
coming.  I have a house that is on some of the highest land in Jacksonville.
If we can keep the roof and will all the camping gear they are bringing, We
can call this the first Hurricane Floyd Rendezvous in my back yard.  It will
be a little cramped, but what fun we will have suffering together.  And enough
fire power to keep any looters "busy"....permanently.

Linda  Holley

[e-mail] wrote:

> Hey Linda... Mouse and I are going to come up and stay wit h you... Naples
> ain't too safe either...
>
> Addison and Vicki

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:44:23 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: SPURS

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Geese, guys,
No observations, opinions, criticism, suggestions, etc. on my (spur) =
situation?  Maybe nobody read it cause of my "Off Topic, Do Not Read" =
caption.
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 16:00:37 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: address change

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Please note that my ISP has changed our domain names.  My e-mail address =
is no longer:  [e-mail]
    The new address is:

        [e-mail]

    I am sending this to everyone on my mail list. Apologies if some of =
you receive duplicates.

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:46:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPURS

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, John C. Funk, Jr. wrote:
> No observations, opinions, criticism, suggestions, etc. on my (spur)
> situation?  Maybe nobody read it cause of my "Off Topic, Do Not Read"
> caption.

I read it... and was just hoping that there was a video camera handy when
you set your spurs to that balky mustang for the first time.

Had a pony once (17 hand Trakaner gelding), who wouldna cross water to
save his life.  Tried a set of Prince Phillip spurs (rounded nubs) to help
him make up his mind.  Everybody got wet, and I was a grabbing leather,
mane and anything else afore we got to the other side.  Put on a real show
for the ladies I was with.

We did get to the other side.... eventually.

Regards

Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:28:19 -0700
From: "John C. Funk, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPURS

Lee,
So what yer saying is, the spurs worked!  Right?  You didn't really expect
him to lick you on the cheek and tiptoe across did ya?
John




- ----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
To: history line <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPURS


> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, John C. Funk, Jr. wrote:
> > No observations, opinions, criticism, suggestions, etc. on my (spur)
> > situation?  Maybe nobody read it cause of my "Off Topic, Do Not Read"
> > caption.
>
> I read it... and was just hoping that there was a video camera handy when
> you set your spurs to that balky mustang for the first time.
>
> Had a pony once (17 hand Trakaner gelding), who wouldna cross water to
> save his life.  Tried a set of Prince Phillip spurs (rounded nubs) to help
> him make up his mind.  Everybody got wet, and I was a grabbing leather,
> mane and anything else afore we got to the other side.  Put on a real show
> for the ladies I was with.
>
> We did get to the other side.... eventually.
>
> Regards
>
> Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
> NMLRA member 058863
> email at [e-mail]
> Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
> http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 19:44:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPURS

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, John C. Funk, Jr. wrote:
> So what yer saying is, the spurs worked!  Right?  You didn't really expect
> him to lick you on the cheek and tiptoe across did ya?

I was expecting something... just not a forward angled vertical launch off
the bank into the middle of the damn river on 1300+ pounds of pissed off
warhorse.  We eventually did come to an understanding on water... but he
was never really at ease crossing it.  I suspect you'll have many
adventures on your mustang.... don't pack the china on him :)

I missed the info on securing the spurs to the boots/moccasins....
buckles? or just tied with leather?

Regards

Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:54:32 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]

Thought this would be of some use.
D


HERTERS BULL COOK AND AUTHENTIC HISTORICAL RECIPES AND PRACTICES:

How to Keep Bacon from Molding
Bacon is a must item for camp and trail food. It provides some
strength-giving meat but most important it provides you smoke-flavored
grease to cook wild game flesh, pancakes and other food items in.
Bacon, regardless of the weather, molds very easily. With the mold it
becomes rancid and loses its good flavor entirely. To prevent bacon from
molding take a clean cloth and wash it in vinegar, This will not only
prevent it from molding but retain its good fresh taste.
This is me talking now:
I also have found that if you are going to be on the trail long it is
good
to wrap the bacon in a clean cloth that has been soaked in vinegar and
then
place in your poke it keeps this way for at least a week.

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 07:31:20 +0000
From: The Sweeneys <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]

What type of bacon is best for the trail? Thanks in advance for any answers
to this pilgrims question.
Mick
Sierra Foothills

Dennis Miles wrote:

> Thought this would be of some use.
> D
>
>
> HERTERS BULL COOK AND AUTHENTIC HISTORICAL RECIPES AND PRACTICES:
>
> How to Keep Bacon from Molding
> Bacon is a must item for camp and trail food. It provides some
> strength-giving meat but most important it provides you smoke-flavored
> grease to cook wild game flesh, pancakes and other food items in.
> Bacon, regardless of the weather, molds very easily. With the mold it
> becomes rancid and loses its good flavor entirely. To prevent bacon from
> molding take a clean cloth and wash it in vinegar, This will not only
> prevent it from molding but retain its good fresh taste.
> This is me talking now:
> I also have found that if you are going to be on the trail long it is
> good
> to wrap the bacon in a clean cloth that has been soaked in vinegar and
> then
> place in your poke it keeps this way for at least a week.

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:13:52 +0000
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]

The Sweeneys wrote:

> What type of bacon is best for the trail? Thanks in advance for any answers
> to this pilgrims question.

Mike,

I'm not sure what type of bacon Dennis uses but I usually settle for
slab bacon that I get from a custom butcher in my town. He makes his own
and I will buy a whole side, cut it down the center and then across to
form pieces about 5" by 5" which fit in my little skillet for easy
carrying. I put it in a cloth bag to carry.

I will have to try the vinegar trick to see if that will help keep the
bacon fresh. I always just wrapped the pieces in brown paper and put
them into the freezer until ready for a trip. The freezer tends to dry
them out and that helps the bacon keep on the trail somewhat. The other
trick is simple. My bacon never lasts long enough of the trail to go
bad! <G>

There are some suppliers of dry cured bacon (sorry but I don't have the
contact info, someone on the list will though) that will keep
indefinitely without refrigeration. I have a couple pounds of it to try
but my past experience with it found it to be very salty and hard to
cook right. That's why I'm giving it another try. I'll see if I can
figure out how to use it properly. If your trips don't last much past a
few days though, I think ordinary slab bacon treated the way Dennis
suggested and dried a bit should work ok. Look around for a custom
processor in your area to get it in big chunks. It is sometimes
available in grocery stores but I always found that to be an unreliable
source. It is my advice to try to stear away from pre-sliced bacon. I
think it goes bad quicker. Hope this helped a bit. I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
Mid-Columbia R. desert country

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:11:57 -0700
From: "John Hunt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]

     Some of the buckskin traders carry smoked bacon. It is highly smoked
slightly salty bacon. No refrigeration is needed. I have a piece about a
year old this fall. It gets SOMETIME a slight mold, wipe off or cut off.
Doesn`t a affect the taste or anything about the bacon. Comes wrapped in
grease proof paper and in a cloth bag. At times it`s difficult to find. I
can`t name anyone who has it on hand now. At Piqua event there was two
vendors who had it for sale, don`t know the names. The smoked bacon is
pricey, but affordable as a two-three pound piece will last many times out.
I don`t refrigerate mine, was told in and out causes moisture and could
accelerate mold. As Dennis said I also wipe mine down with vinegar.

     A neighbor who is a trader had some last year. If he doesn`t have any
now he my be able to tell where to get some. I can`t ask him    as the hrs.
of work conflict, following is his e-mail address

        John (trader John) Coffeen   [e-mail]

       If this e-mail is incorrect let me know and will try to contact him.
If e-mail is correct would prefer your personal dealings with him.

           Maybe Buck has or can get some if trader John Is out.  Maybe Jim
Jacobs.



John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest  Ohio
- ----- Original Message -----
From: R Lahti <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]


> The Sweeneys wrote:
>
> > What type of bacon is best for the trail? Thanks in advance for any
answers
> > to this pilgrims question.
>
> Mike,
>
> I'm not sure what type of bacon Dennis uses but I usually settle for
> slab bacon that I get from a custom butcher in my town. He makes his own
> and I will buy a whole side, cut it down the center and then across to
> form pieces about 5" by 5" which fit in my little skillet for easy
> carrying. I put it in a cloth bag to carry.
>
> I will have to try the vinegar trick to see if that will help keep the
> bacon fresh. I always just wrapped the pieces in brown paper and put
> them into the freezer until ready for a trip. The freezer tends to dry
> them out and that helps the bacon keep on the trail somewhat. The other
> trick is simple. My bacon never lasts long enough of the trail to go
> bad! <G>
>
> There are some suppliers of dry cured bacon (sorry but I don't have the
> contact info, someone on the list will though) that will keep
> indefinitely without refrigeration. I have a couple pounds of it to try
> but my past experience with it found it to be very salty and hard to
> cook right. That's why I'm giving it another try. I'll see if I can
> figure out how to use it properly. If your trips don't last much past a
> few days though, I think ordinary slab bacon treated the way Dennis
> suggested and dried a bit should work ok. Look around for a custom
> processor in your area to get it in big chunks. It is sometimes
> available in grocery stores but I always found that to be an unreliable
> source. It is my advice to try to stear away from pre-sliced bacon. I
> think it goes bad quicker. Hope this helped a bit. I remain.....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
> Mid-Columbia R. desert country
>

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