Yesterday's newspaper had an update on the Canadian Iceman found on the
Tatsenshini Glacier. Dating is still uncertain. The range is expected to be
sometime between 250 and 5000 B.P. (Before Present), with early guesses
favoring 2000 BP. The Champagne and Aishik First Nations, in whose
traditional hunting territory the remains were found, have given their
consent to have the ice man studied; they have dubbed him "Kwaday Dan
Sinchi" (kwah-DAY dun sin-CHEE) which means Long Ago Man Found. The remains
have now been moved to the Royal British Columbia Museum in Victoria for
study; the body includes some soft tissue, but it's unclear from the article
just how much. The remains of a moose and antlers that were found nearby
have yet to be dated or linked to Kwaday Dan Sinchi. Sorry, no new info on
clothing or other artifacts.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
agottfre@telusplanet.net
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:23:51 -0400
From: "Mill, Kirk" <millk@aydin.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
> can`t name anyone who has it on hand now.
>
Salt Cured Bacon
R.M. Felts Meat Packing Co.
35497 Glen Nahone Blvd.
Ivor, VA 23866
(757)859-6131
Kirk
Silverdale PA
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:43:00 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
Capt.
I get my bacon from a local butcher that is the 4th or 5th generation of
butchers in town. Same place, same family, same reciepts since early 1800's. He
smokes the slab 4 times for me, and OOOooo is it good...<G> Ask Lanney, I hooked
him on it and now am his "mainline"dealer...<G>
D
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 11:11:03 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
Dennis Miles wrote:
>
> Capt.
> I get my bacon from a local butcher that is the 4th or 5th generation of
> butchers in town. Same place, same family, same reciepts since early 1800's. He
> smokes the slab 4 times for me, and OOOooo is it good...<G> Ask Lanney, I hooked
> him on it and now am his "mainline"dealer...<G>
Dennis,
Since I buy in whole slabs maybe I can talk my butcher into leaving my
slab in for several smokes too, to try. Thanks for the extra info. I
didn't know where Lanney got his bacon but it was obvious to me the he
and I both like our bacon! <G> I remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:18:57 -0500
From: James A Lindberg <jal@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
Any one know the definition of hard cured?
Seems like when bacon was discussed before, that is what was recommended
for non-refrigerated stays.
Jim (who is watching a white tailed doe from his office)
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:34:18 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:trail bacon
I don't know about being entirely correct or not, but bacon can be
pre-cooked, laid out in strips on paper while still hot and greasy, and
folded up. The paper absorbs some of the grease which seals the package.
Cooked meat will keep longer than raw meat, especially when surrounded by
grease/lard. Remember Pemmican....and Buck also said they put their meat in
buckets of lard when on their canoe trip.
It was not uncommon to take cooked food, wrap it up, and stuff it in the
shirt or haversack for consumption along the trail later.
With a little extra salt added, I would think it would be easy to come up
with a workable trail bacon. We often make scrapple from the first deer shot
when on hunting trips and it lasts a week or more as trail lunch. Lotsa lard
in scrapple too.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:09:51 -0700
From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian Iceman links?
Thanks so much! Any links for this anywhere? More is better in these things
for some of us primitives.
Rick
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:44:17 -0600
From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Canadian Iceman update (OT)
Sorry for the off-topic post--I sent that to the wrong list! I hope folks
found it interesting just the same; it's pretty exciting. The iceman was
discovered by three high school teachers in mid-August, but the news broke
just a couple of weeks ago, due to the remote location.
Your humble servant,
Angela Gottfred
agottfre@telusplanet.net
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 14:19:29 -0700
From: mkDragon <shabut@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Canadian Iceman update (OT)
Angela Gottfred wrote:
>
> Sorry for the off-topic post--I sent that to the wrong list! I hope folks
> found it interesting just the same; it's pretty exciting. The iceman was
> discovered by three high school teachers in mid-August, but the news broke
> just a couple of weeks ago, due to the remote location.
>
> Your humble servant,
> Angela Gottfred
> agottfre@telusplanet.net
I personally would like to know anything I can find out about it.
What's the other list so I can keep up? Please.
Butch :)
- --
Keep a green tree in your heart,
and one day the singing bird will
come.
Asian proverb
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Date: 15 Sep 1999 14:26:08 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Be aware of what your buying.
Brothers of the AMM and history list members;
The 1000 eye lantern and mold are probably the last of any production, Gobel has stopped making them as of six months ago, he made me these as a favor for the AMM auction. I have the original lantern and personal grader in my collection, plus carry reproduction in my camp equipage.
See AMM auction at: http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1/Auction.htm
GBW has dropped many of the slow sellers from their line of available items, Peter has gotten into the "American Life" magazine trade (not sure if this was such a good thing as work has doubled). If more of the fur trade people would show some interest with ideas of items needed, he may consider helping out with some good items. Mike Rock has lined Peter up with a good source of quality tin for
making tin wear.
As far as what we carry in stock of GBW here at Clark & Sons is their: tin spectacle cases, brass shaving mugs (tinned lined)w/brush pocket, kidney canteens/copper/tin, tin pails w/lids, copper boilers, small trade kettle [SEE NOTE], small period copper boxes, samll tin funnels, small salt barresl, porte-crayons, travel ink wells, small document cases, and we can get anything in his catalog or have done special requests on occassion.
NOTE:
Last weekend I was at an old friends antique shop west of Denver, I spot a nice (old in color) brass-tin lined trade kettle hanging in the back of his store. I asked if I could see it, he explained it had just come in and hadn't been priced yet. I kept thinking I know who makes one like this or this is one of his (Peter Gobel's). I take it outside for better light and in 1/16" scribe along the rim of the kettle I find GBW / PJG, to make a long story short I have some fun with my friend about trying to sell a repro as original, find out it was sold to him by a trader for $100 in trade - this would "keystone" or retail at $200.
I bought the large French trade kettle for that amount $100 to get it out of his stock, it was an early one before Gobel had a stamp - retail today is $170.00. So when looking at these items at a sale or antique dealer - look
them over real close. You maybe paying antique price for a reproduction.
-----Original Message-----
From: pwj <pwj@spain-attys.com>
To: Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
<buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 2:31 PM
>Buck- That photo looks great on Dennis' web page. Now someone is going to run the prices on the lantern and the mold well beyond retail.
>
>If you have these and other Gobbel (sp?) items in stock, send me a list so I can get some things from you. > >Thanks.
>
>Paul
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
Aux Ailments de Pays!
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Date: 15 Sep 1999 14:29:40 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Canadian Iceman update (OT)
On Wed, 15 September 1999, mkDragon wrote:
>
> Angela Gottfred wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the off-topic post--I sent that to the wrong list! I hope folks
> > found it interesting just the same; it's pretty exciting.
_________________________
Angela,
There's more than a few interested in knowing more about this person, is there a list we can read more about the iceman !
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
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Date: 15 Sep 99 15:55:36 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
Reply to: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
Smoked bought at a meat packing place. That's what we carry and works =
good.
DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
The Sweeneys wrote:
>What type of bacon is best for the trail? Thanks in advance for any =
answers
>to this pilgrims question.
>Mick
>Sierra Foothills
>
>Dennis Miles wrote:
>
>> Thought this would be of some use.
>> D
>>
>>
>> HERTERS BULL COOK AND AUTHENTIC HISTORICAL RECIPES AND PRACTICES:
>>
>> How to Keep Bacon from Molding
>> Bacon is a must item for camp and trail food. It provides some
>> strength-giving meat but most important it provides you smoke-flavored
>> grease to cook wild game flesh, pancakes and other food items in.
>> Bacon, regardless of the weather, molds very easily. With the mold it
>> becomes rancid and loses its good flavor entirely. To prevent bacon =
from
>> molding take a clean cloth and wash it in vinegar, This will not only
>> prevent it from molding but retain its good fresh taste.
>> This is me talking now:
>> I also have found that if you are going to be on the trail long it is
>> good
>> to wrap the bacon in a clean cloth that has been soaked in vinegar and
>> then
>> place in your poke it keeps this way for at least a week.
>
>
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Be aware of what your buying/Now Tin Lantern
In a message dated 9/15/99 5:27:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
buck.conner@uswestmail.net writes:
<< Brothers of the AMM and history list members;
The 1000 eye lantern and mold are probably the last of any production, Gobel
has stopped making them as of six months ago, he made me these as a favor for
the AMM auction >>
TW Moran fronm Livonia Smithery made my tin lantern. He swears there at
least 1500 piercings (Sorry I'm not bragging, really). They were pricey when
I got it ten years ago. He's still in business and i will contact him if
anyone is interested.
Watch your topknot
JOHN
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:56:03 -0000
From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@excelonline.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
I generally take this bacon to the Nationals, and can get some if anyone is
interested.
Paul W. Jones
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:19:28 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
Yessir, the bacon from Dennis's local butcher is very good. My wife =
says it is the best she ever ate and I can't argue with her (a first, =
let me tell you). The bacon that Paul Jones sells is also very good and =
his supply is more predictable. He sold out in a matter of hours at the =
National RDV this summer. I have a slab of each in the =
refrigerator.....it does keep nicely under refrigeration, and well nigh =
everlastingly in the freezer. I have used it for about 4 years with =
nary a complaint.
Lanney Ratcliff
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dennis Miles <deforge1@wesnet.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
> Capt.
> I get my bacon from a local butcher that is the 4th or 5th generation =
of
> butchers in town. Same place, same family, same reciepts since early =
1800's. He
> smokes the slab 4 times for me, and OOOooo is it good...<G> Ask =
Lanney, I hooked
> him on it and now am his "mainline"dealer...<G>
> D
>=20
>=20
>=20
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:52:48 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
I wish to thank all the kind e-mail and wished from ALL you great people out
there. Well the 1st, and I hope to never repeat it, annual Floyd Hurricane
Rendezvous is over. All who came to my house escaping the Beaches and other
areas of flooding and wind, made it. It was like a giant slumber party with the
bodies in the living room and spare rooms. We didn't need all our survival gear
as the Storm went right by us. Celebration was held by our breaking open a nice
bottle of red wine and surviving it in my best crystal. Yes, I do have crystal,
not all of my stuff is pottery, wood or horn. What a way to say good-bye to my
guest as they left this evening for their homes.
The only damage to my place is some roofing, fences, and yard. This can all be
taken care of easily by myself and a good roofer.
So thanks again. Till the next time, and God willing there will not be one of
these big winds for a long time.
Rather read some of the "big Winds" on this sight instead. SAFER,
i think.
Linda Holley
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Date: 16 Sep 1999 06:48:29 -0700
From: Buck <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Be aware of what your buying/Now Tin Lantern
On Wed, 15 September 1999, JSeminerio@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 9/15/99 5:27:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>> buck.conner@uswestmail.net writes:
>> Brothers of the AMM and history list members;
>> The 1000 eye lantern and mold are probably the last of
>> any production, Gobel has stopped making them as of six
>> months ago, he made me these as a favor for the AMM
>> auction..................
>
>
> TW Moran fronm Livonia Smithery made my tin lantern. He
> swears there at least 1500 piercings .............
______________________________________
NOT THE SAME THING JOHN,
The "1000 Eye" lantern is not a punched tin lantern, it has 3/16 holes cut out of tube sides - 40 to 50 holes, a tube that holds a 3/8" dia. candle w/bail. It was called a "1000 Eye Lantern" by Mad Anthony Wayne when on the frontier (NW PA), originally made in Phila and according to Valley Forge Historical personel was produced in large numbers after the Amer Rev War. This is a Ben Franklin design that was used on the western frontier and at one time the L&C Museum in St. Louis had one on display.
Later,
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party Colorado
Aux Ailments de Pays!
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 12:03:30 EDT
From: Cherokeoil@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Guy
Where abouts are you located? I`m just south of Kansas City. I`m a new comer
to.
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:50:56 +0000
From: R Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
Linda Holley wrote:
>
> I wish to thank all the kind e-mail and wished from ALL you great people out
> there. <Snipe>
> Rather read some of the "big Winds" on this sight instead. SAFER,
> i think.
Linda,
Glad to see that the storm stayed out to sea as long as it did. And glad
to see that you and yours came through so well. Considering that many of
US will be taking off soon for Fall Hunts and such, the "Big Hot Winds
of Summer" should die down for a while. Of course there will be the "Big
Cold Winds" of Winter Boredom to look forward to when we get through
trying or succeeding in filling our tags. <VBG> I remain.....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:51:17 -0600
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <louis.l.sickler@lmco.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rocky Mtn Deer Hunt
Well, I guess it's time to share a little hunting tale with the list. A
story of the shortest muzzle loading deer hunt I've ever been on.
Last weekend, Sept. 11, was opening day of the muzzle loading deer & elk
season here in Colorado. One of my best friends was camping in the northern
part of the state, trying to bag a Big Horn Sheep. Earlier in the year I had
agreed to put in for a license to hunt in an area close to his, so I could
help if he got one down.
I got a later start than planned, but made it up to the hunt area by around
9 a.m. I parked by a likely road, got my rain gear on, yes, it was gently
raining, primed up Old Kell'em and started quietly walking back along this
road. Since I had never hunted in this particular spot, I decided to stay on
the trail for a while to get the lay of the land.
I hadn't gone a quarter of a mile when I spotted a nice sized doe (I know
FAT cow from POOR bull). In fact, I was still in sight of my vehicle, which
could just be seen through the trees.
Well, I cocked Old Kell'em, with the ever present CLICK! The deer trotted to
my left about 20 feet and stopped. I was drawing a tight bead as the deer
stood broadside, peering at me as if trying to determine what the heck I was
doing. Well, she found out alright. I dropped it with one shot, right
through the neck - no meat damaged.
Fifteen minutes and my hunt was over. Camped for the rest of Saturday &
Sunday, mainly to let it cool out before taking it back to the home shack.
The camp fire shore burns warmer when there's meat on the game pole.
My wife, son & I enjoyed some of the best tenderloin in a long time on
Monday night. Many pounds of jerky to follow.
Hyar's to makin' meat!!!
Lou Sickler
Colorado Territory
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:27:09 EDT
From: JSeminerio@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Be aware of what your buying/Now Tin Lantern
Buck
Sorry I went back and read the end of your post
You ARE RIGHT !
Will read posts from end to beginning from now on
watch your topknot
john
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:39:45 -0500
From: Farseer <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: New Guy
I'm also a relative newcomer, only I'm located north of Kansas City. I
also just got all my parts together to set up my forge and start smithing
again. Been several years, and I mostly just shaped some trap stakes,
figured I might want to try it with coal, just fer grins. It'll be nice to
talk to someone about smithing.
Todd
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
> Cherokeoil@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 1999 11:04 AM
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: New Guy
>
>
> Where abouts are you located? I`m just south of Kansas City. I`m
> a new comer
> to.
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:52:57 EDT
From: Squinty54@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Way off the list......
Linda,
I'm a relatively quiet purveyor of this list. Glad you made it safely
through the big blow. Past through a couple in my days in So. Florida. For
those who have never had the experience,,,,,its one you really aught to miss.
Steve
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:18:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <zaz@pacificnet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: trail bacon]
I have gotten this bacon from Paul (and have one package I'm saving for a
future event) and it is the best! By the way Paul, should I keep it out or
