Hello List Folks- I have been a lurker on the list for a while and was
wondering what information you all can put in about the old beads traded
for furs. I am a collector and would love to know more of the history of
the beads, I know their origins but would love to know more about their
use especially old greenhearts, whitehearts, cross trails, and Russian
Blues etc. Thanks so much. I enjoy the discussions even when they leave
the perscribed realm of the list. Becky the BeadWoman
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Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:37:26 -0500
From: Mike Rock <mikerock@mhtc.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Buck, and bear fat
Good thoughtful comments by Buck, as always. And I for one do not think
it is too far off topic, as firearm are, and have been, our lives.
Please, take his comments in a constructive way, as they were intended.
Now, ON topic, Bear fat. I have access to some in a friends
freezer...been there nearly ten years. Some of it got thawed a bit a
few years ago, but it seems okay. If we render it for non-cooking use,
do you think it will be okay, proper smell, and all? Only rendered bear
once, and it is great stuff. Made great fry bread, too! The tip on
clarifying the oil was good, and worked for us. Any advice??
Thanks,
Rock
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Date: 11 Sep 1999 19:10:33 -0700
From: "Concho" <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buck, and bear fat
> On Sat, 11 September 1999, Mike Rock wrote:
> Good thoughtful comments by Buck, as always. And I for one do
> not think it is too far off topic, as firearm are, and have
> been, our lives. Please, take his comments in a constructive
> way, as they were intended.
Agreed Mike,
Like you, Turtle, Buck, myself and others on this list AND our forefathers; we seen what an armed force can do (through history) to unarmed citizens - Romans to today. I also remember as ones mentioned remember our welcoming home in the 60's and 70's - when was the last time you where spit on brother. Thank God our forefather didn't experience that, or none of us would be here today. Let's change the subject, thanks Buck.
I would be real careful with the bear fat that defrosted, wouldn't know what may be growing without a lab test. Turtle and myself had some buff lard go bad, that's real unusal - because buffalo rendered fat can handle 30 degree to 80 degree weather.
The Amish and Quakers use it for sore libs, like we would use "Heat" or one of the other products for ackes and pains. Buck Na d myself shot a couple of average bears in central PA one time and damn near had to fight to keep the criters. Local Amish women wanted the fat for their cures, we had them loaded and ready to go, everything was cool and then Buck gave them the fat. He came out looking good and I ended up the butt of the whole thing.
Dennis and Turtle could ask the Amish near them about the defrosted fat and what they would do, their ways are as old as we can get for the 1800-1840 period. Probably the "Closter" (not sure of the spelling) are older and have a small settlement near Reading PA if anyone on the list is near there, bear meat and bear fat was a big deal for feasts with these people.
"May the spirit be with you"
D.L."Concho" Smith
Livingston, MO.
Historical Coordinator - Missouri
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Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 01:20:56 -0400
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: old trade beads
beckey---contact dan anderson in decatur ill---his e-mail address is
decaturdan@juno.com---he is a vast store of knowledge on trade beads and
old beeds and he has one of the lewis and clark blue ones---few of years
ago he got to admireing my goose egg chevrons that I won at a shooting
match back in the 60's ---he admired them so much I finally gave them to
him for a christmas gift about 3 years ago---and when we were trecking
out west the next year we went thru the big flee market in new
mexico---some guy was trying to sell some that were the size of robins
eggs and explaining how to date them dan asked him if he ever saw goose
egg sized ones and he said no so dan went to the truck and brought them
out---should have seen the guys lip drop---6 goose egg chevrons---pre
1800 verson---the guy followed dan around most of the day trying to buy
them---and his belt pouch that Jonny ketchum made for him out of burial
beads. he has some interesting beaded stuff---ask him about his
walk-about stick which is bead woven the top 2 1/5 feet of it---with the
extra-small beads-put on one bead at a time.
YMHOSANT
=+=
"HAWK"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida 34684 Phone: 1-727-771-1815
e-mail: hawknest4@juno.com
On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 19:20:39 -0400 Rebecca Bargar <rabargar@midohio.net>
writes:
> Hello List Folks- I have been a lurker on the list for a while and
> was
> wondering what information you all can put in about the old beads
> traded
> for furs. I am a collector and would love to know more of the
> history of
> the beads, I know their origins but would love to know more about
> their
> use especially old greenhearts, whitehearts, cross trails, and
> Russian
> Blues etc. Thanks so much. I enjoy the discussions even when they
> leave
> the perscribed realm of the list. Becky the BeadWoman
