Pound for pound I'm the most ferocious.... Oh, sorry couldn't resist!
What's a shrew? You gotta watch them trapped coons! They act all subdued
till you get close enough then look-out!!!
Dull Hawk
- ----------
> From: RR1LA@aol.com
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
> Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 10:11 PM
>
> i've also heard that pound for pound the only thing more ferocious than a
> raccoon is the wolverine. i've seen coons rip open hav-a-heart traps and
> turn steel to mush. i'd say they are both among the most ferocious
critters
> in north america. never heard anything about the shrew, but the name
gives me
> a clue <ggg>. Barney
>
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:41:11 -0700
From: terry l landis <tllandis@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun?
On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:14:08 -0600 Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> writes:
>Has anyone got or seen a TVM trade gun? I'm thinking real serious
>about
>getting one. Based on their other stuff, I will, but I'd like the
>input.
>
>Thanks ahead of time,
>
>Allen Hall in Fort Hall country
>
>Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
>
>
well here we go. i bought a tvm Virginia style riffle. swamped barrel and
iron furniture.
it took 41/2 months to get here and when i got it the total price was
946.00 smackers.
i like it but i could have got the same quality of workmanship from a kit
gun for 1/3 less.
i guess i was expecting perfection at that price. i was pretty green at
the time, but quality is quality. I'M not saying that jack makes "bad"
riffles, just that whoever made mine was not as fully involved as i would
be building my own.
if you want the full details contact me off list and I'll be happy to
tell you about it.
YMHS,
"Ephraim"
Terry Landis
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:52:45 GMT
From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: nuff said
This is an old one. TTBOMK, this is urban legend. Anybody out there
on the list know otherwise? I think I've seen this one about once a
year since I got online 5-6 years ago.
On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 14:13:01 -0700, you wrote:
>>=20
>> Darwin Awards=20
>> The Darwin nominees are in again. (This is the award bestowed upon
>> the
>> people who have helpfully removed themselves from the gene pool by =
their own efforts.
>
>> NOMINEE No. 6: [The Indianapolis Star]: A cigarette lighter may have
>> trig-=20
>> gered a fatal explosion. A Jay County man, using a lighter to check
>> the
>> barrel of a muzzleloader, was killed when the weapon discharged in
>> his
>> face.=20
>> Sheriff investigators said Gregory David Pryor died in his parents'
>> rural Dunkirk home while cleaning a 54-caliber muzzleloader that had
>> not
>> been firing properly. He was using the lighter to look into the
>> barrel
>> when the=20
>> gunpowder ignited.
>
>
> Butch
Roy Parker
We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks =
to
the internet, we know this is not true.
=20
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver??
On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 TrapRJoe@aol.com wrote:
> 24 wifes? All of mixed blood or indain, some have said on this list? Seems
> doutful.
Hallo Trapper
From my readings, and the information posted by the knowledgable Angela...
it was not uncommon at all for trappers to take their Metis/Indian wifes
and children with them. After all, they were gone for a year at a crack,
and women made life much easier by preparing camps, meals, working hides,
etc... additionally, life on the move for a trapping brigade... probably
wasn't that different from what the Indian women knew at home (that last
is my opinion mind you).
My wife, on the other hand, is up in arms because I put a drying braintan
project (elk hide) up to dry in our bathroom... seems the apparently
strong oder of dead things hadn't quite worn off yet.
I will probably be sleeping with the dogs tonight ;-)
Regards
Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:06:13 GMT
From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Glue stick
Isenglass is still available, although the original isenglass,
especially that made (AIR-as I recall) from the sturgeon bladder is
quite expensive and hard to get. =20
Substitutes from other fish bladders, and even synthetics are
avialable at various home brew and winemaking shops. I've never made
a brew or wine bad enough to need it, so I don't know any more than it
is commercially available. =20
(Those at the SW in 1996 may recall my efforts at an IPA (which I've
won awards at, but not for the batch in the following discussion) and
think that that particular brew needed fish bladders to improve it,
but the problem was that I got distracted during the hops addition,
and ended up with 130 IBU of bitterness instead of 65. I thought it
was still pretty good, along about December of the following year, but
some of you may be right in that adding a fish to the mug might have
cut the tang just a bit. I do know that large additions of tequila
helped.)
On Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:18:35 EDT, you wrote:
><< I'SINGLASS, n. i'zinglass. [that is, ise or ice-glass.]
> A substance consisting chiefly of gelatin, of a firm texture and =
whitish=20
>color, prepared from the sounds or air-bladders of certain fresh water=20
>fishes, particularly of the huso, a fish of the sturgeon kind, found in =
the=20
>rivers of Russia. It is used as an agglutinant and in fining wines.
>=20
> I wonder what available substance would substitute? >>
>
>I believe you can still buy it at wine and beer maker shops. It is =
still=20
>used to clarify wine and beer. So you may not need a substitute.
>
>Your Humble Servant
>
>C.T. Oakes
Roy Parker
We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks =
to
the internet, we know this is not true.
=20
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:36:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: musquash, misquash.etc
On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Mike Rock wrote:
> musquash, misquash = muskrats
Ahhhh, I had thought that might be it, but didna wish to show my ignorance
any more that I usually do :)
Regards
Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:56:45 -0700
From: Huber <huberfam@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cover
Tom,
An article by Gary Mueller in BOOK OF BUCKSKINNING IV indicates that: "Gun
cases were also made of wool. Nothing beats wool to repel water and
moisture, therefore helping keep you and your gun dry and warm." He cites
a lot of works at the end of the article but quotes nothing specific to
back up this assumption. I carry my trade gun in a wool case similar to
the one pictured in this article. I had heard that new guns were often
shipped to a buyer in woolen cases but I can't remember the source I read
this in. The article goes into some detail on colors styles and prices
paid for point blankets, etc. Worth reading.
Shoots-the-Prairie Larry Huber
At 09:16 PM 8/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>After searching the E-mail archives, my meager library, and a few other
>sources and coming up empty, I pose this question:
>Is there any correct style, construction, color, etc for a gun cover
>made from a wool blanket, or is this something that has
>too many possible variations to be wrong. I suspect there are probably
>no originals around to see. Any ideas or thoughts before I put the
>knife to this old moth-eaten dirty red blanket?
>
>Thanx, Tom
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:05:02 -0700
From: Huber <huberfam@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Oatmeal
I take McCann's Irish Oatmeal with me when I go on the ground. You have to
boil the hell out of it to get a meal but the taste is worth it. I prefer
them to corn meal mush. These are "cut oats" not rolled. Just chopped
kernels.
Shoots-the-Prairie Larry Huber
At 08:19 AM 8/9/99 -0700, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>On Sun, 08 August 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Fri, 06 August 1999, Mike Rock wrote:
>> > On the previous post about oats..my desire is to be able to
>> >'roll my own', oats, that is....anyone who knows a reference,
>> > or how, holler, please!
>> >
>> > Mike Rock
>>
>>
>> Mike,
>> I called Buck's house this morning, his wife said he got called into
work, so I grabbed what was on his web site under:
>>
>> CEREALS AND MEALS
>> blue corn meal,
>> blended meal,
>> barley grits,
>> rye-rolled,
>> corn grits,
>> oats-rolled,
>> oats-steel cut,
>> wheat-coarse,
>> corn meal,
>> millet meal.
>>
>> Nothing shown for oat meal, but does show oats-rolled, oats-steel, I'll
try him later to night.
>>
>> Turtle.
>>
>......................................
>
>Mike and Turtle,
>
>What Turtle has shown; is the most common reference found from supply and
trade lists; 1750 Pennsylvania German for steel-cut oats, and 1820
northeast lists for rolled oats.
>
>Earlier dates have been found on a few lists, but not enough reference to
say it was a commonly traded grain. This is not surprising as record
keeping was not kept as accurately as in later years when competition had
become a factor.
>
>When you look at either; steel-cut or rolled oats when boiled, they both
look close to a course oat meal, this is probably what you may want Mike.
>
>
>
>Later,
>Buck Conner
>dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
>http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
>_____________________________________
>NOW AVAILABLE a journal of the Fur Trade
>and early history of the times. AMM journal
>
>The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
>Conklin, MI 49403
>ATTN: Jon Link
>
>The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year -
>quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
>_____________________________________
>
>
>
>Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:32:48 -0700
From: mkDragon <shabut@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: nuff said
Roy Parker wrote:
>
> This is an old one. TTBOMK, this is urban legend. Anybody out there
> on the list know otherwise? I think I've seen this one about once a
> year since I got online 5-6 years ago.
>
I expect it is. Who cares? I've known people like this. Besides,
it made me laugh.
"There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of
in your philosophy." If everything were real, what fun would life be?
Butch :)
- --
"What is a champion? To me, a champion isn't someone
who
never loses or falls
down. It's someone who gets back up. Someone who has
heart."-- "Michelle
Kwan, refering to Chen Lu
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:30:57 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
A shrew is a tiny little mouse looking varmit that lives in leaf litter, =
etc and has a very high metabolism. This requires that he eat more or =
less constantly.....about his body weight each day, if I remember =
correctly....and he plays hell with bugs. If it moves, he attacks and =
eats it. He would be a dangereous rascal indeed if he were much bigger =
than your thumb.
Lanney R
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Douglas Hepner <dullhawk@texomaonline.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 1999 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
> Pound for pound I'm the most ferocious.... Oh, sorry couldn't =
resist!
> What's a shrew? You gotta watch them trapped coons! They act all =
subdued
> till you get close enough then look-out!!!=20
>=20
> Dull Hawk
>=20
> ----------
> > From: RR1LA@aol.com
> > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
> > Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 10:11 PM
> >=20
> > i've also heard that pound for pound the only thing more ferocious =
than a
>=20
> > raccoon is the wolverine. i've seen coons rip open hav-a-heart =
traps and
>=20
> > turn steel to mush. i'd say they are both among the most ferocious
> critters=20
> > in north america. never heard anything about the shrew, but the name
> gives me=20
> > a clue <ggg>. Barney
> >=20
> >=20
>=20
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Date: 10 Aug 1999 06:56:02 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gun Cover
On Mon, 09 August 1999, Huber wrote:
>
> Tom,
> An article by Gary Mueller in BOOK OF BUCKSKINNING IV indicates that: "Gun
> cases were also made of wool. Nothing beats wool to repel water and
> moisture, therefore helping keep you and your gun dry and warm." He cites
> a lot of works at the end of the article but quotes nothing specific to
> back up this assumption. I carry my trade gun in a wool case similar to
> the one pictured in this article. I had heard that new guns were often
> shipped to a buyer in woolen cases but I can't remember the source I read
> this in. The article goes into some detail on colors styles and prices
> paid for point blankets, etc. Worth reading.
>
> Shoots-the-Prairie Larry Huber
>
______________________________
The biggest problem with wool is if moisture gets on the gun and its put in the wool case, the wool will hold the moisture and within 24 hours or less you have a nice rusted gun. We have found when around water, canoe trips, etc. one is better off to remove the weapon and carry it out of the case, before putting it back in the case - make sure case is dry, wipe the gun down with a light coat of oil. Leather cases are worst yet.
Turtle.
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Date: 10 Aug 1999 07:02:58 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun?
On Mon, 09 August 1999, terry l landis wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:14:08 -0600 Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> writes:
> >Has anyone got or seen a TVM trade gun? I'm thinking real serious
> >about
> >getting one. Based on their other stuff, I will, but I'd like the
> >input.
> >
> >Thanks ahead of time,
> >
> >Allen Hall in Fort Hall country
> >
> >Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
> >
> >
> well here we go. i bought a tvm Virginia style riffle. swamped barrel and
> iron furniture.
> it took 41/2 months to get here and when i got it the total price was
> 946.00 smackers.
> i like it but i could have got the same quality of workmanship from a kit
> gun for 1/3 less.
> i guess i was expecting perfection at that price. i was pretty green at
> the time, but quality is quality. ...............
The last smoothbore Jack built me will be the last, period. Poor wood to metal fit, think one of his newbee's did the work, unhappy enough that I glass bedded questionable areas and traded it off.
Turtle.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:14:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Frank V. Rago" <ikon@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun?
I must say I am suprised at TVM's decreasing rep. Although I do not have
one of his guns all the old timers I have talked to in the past told me that
if I was going to get one custom that Jack was the man and that even his
kits are good ones. I am just wondering if any of ya'll that had a bad exp.
with his guns or work have asked for him to fix, replace or take care of the
problem. This is a small world and an even smaller buckskinning community
and a bad rep is not good. I would rather make less money and have an
excellant rep than more money and a bad one. Just my thoughts.
At 07:02 AM 8/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>On Mon, 09 August 1999, terry l landis wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:14:08 -0600 Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net> writes:
>> >Has anyone got or seen a TVM trade gun? I'm thinking real serious
>> >about
>> >getting one. Based on their other stuff, I will, but I'd like the
>> >input.
>> >
>> >Thanks ahead of time,
>> >
>> >Allen Hall in Fort Hall country
>> >
>> >Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
>> >
>> >
>> well here we go. i bought a tvm Virginia style riffle. swamped barrel and
>> iron furniture.
>> it took 41/2 months to get here and when i got it the total price was
>> 946.00 smackers.
>> i like it but i could have got the same quality of workmanship from a kit
>> gun for 1/3 less.
>> i guess i was expecting perfection at that price. i was pretty green at
>> the time, but quality is quality. ...............
>
> The last smoothbore Jack built me will be the last, period. Poor wood to
metal fit, think one of his newbee's did the work, unhappy enough that I
glass bedded questionable areas and traded it off.
> Turtle.
>
>
>Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:19:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Frank V. Rago" <ikon@mindspring.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Trading Site
Howdy All,
Wondering if any of you know of a good buckskinner trading site. I have
come across a couple years of old Muzzle Blasts mags and don't really feel
right about selling them but I would trade'm. Any info would be greatley
appreciated.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:30:16 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Trade Gun?
if you are unhappy with TVM suggest you look at the caywood trade
gun---good quality and totally built by him---including all the
parts---all investment cast and fully interchangeable in the parts---from
gun # 1 to present and he ships 2 or 3 guns a day---
> But as a member of a small group of adventures have traveled from Ft. Benton MT to Ft. de Chartres ILL and all points in between. Then in another group years before have traveled from Phila. PA to Ft. Osage, both groups where doing apprx. 1805-1810 time periods, equipage, food, etc.
>
> This has taken myself a 30 year period of a few weeks to a month at a time compared to the couple of years of the original adventure. There are several that have done the whole experience from sea to shinging sea in following in the footsteps of L&C or other greats.
>
>
__________________________________________
Like Buck - several of us have followed the L&C trail, made several of the trips that Buck mentioned over the years, haven't had the time, money or get up and go that he and a few others have had lately. Have really enjoyed the Upper Missouri and Yellowstone rivers over the years. Can't believe what going on the Mississippi would be like in a canoe, but the small groups have done this and more.
Turtle.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:04:03 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trading Site
adison miller on the mlml chat just opened up a tradeing site---no cost
to you or the buyer---he will post your stuff on his board---his e-mail
address is ad.miller@mindsprings.com (I hope that is correct)---
