Subject: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Reenactment
Is anything like this remotely possible?
Are any of the 500 or so active AMM brothers exploring this? Maybe give
guided tours of the most important sections of the trails? Are any of
the trails currently marked in any manner?
C-SPAN is currently doing a series on The 41 U.S. Presidents -
travelling to all the historic places associated with each -
interviewing their descendants - having historical scholars answer
phoned-in questions. Maybe C-SPAN and the AMM could work together on
something similar for the Corps of Discovery Bicentennial?
Can't think of another group that has any more practical experience and
knowledge of these events than those on this list.
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:17:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
Heard a man in Montana say the other day that in 40 years of trapping he
has only snared 3 wolverines - extremely cunning animals. Also heard a
Sami reindeer herder (the Sami are the Aborigines of the northernmost
regions of Norway, Sweden, and Finland) say that the wolverine is the
only animal that will torture its prey before it dies - by severing the
neck tendons leading to a slow death several days later. He also said
that a wolverine can wipe out a herd - extremely ferocious critter. The
most ferocious animal pound per pound of any animal?
That being said - are there any fur trade era or modern day experiences
of the camp to back these stories up?
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:32:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: Frontier Periods
About 22 years ago, on an old American Sportsman program, heard a
possible AMM member once refer to "The Appalachian Mountain Frontier
Period", which preceded the "Rocky Mountain Frontier Period"
(1805-1850). Guesstimate that the former would be from 1750-1820???.
Any comments or insight would be appreciated.
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Date: 9 Aug 1999 04:20:23 -0700
From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Frontier Periods
On Sun, 08 August 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> About 22 years ago, on an old American Sportsman program, heard a
> possible AMM member once refer to "The Appalachian Mountain Frontier
> Period", which preceded the "Rocky Mountain Frontier Period"
> (1805-1850). Guesstimate that the former would be from 1750-1820???.
> Any comments or insight would be appreciated.
...................................
I have read of the western frontier(nw PA into OH) before and after the Rev. War period, see last sentence below.
After the Paoli Massacre, General Anthony Wayne aquired a new name (Mad Anthony Wayne), many say this came about for the action he took in fighting the British at Germantown, PA., where he found them sleeping and burned them alive, those coming out of the fire were shot (some believe this was an attempt at getting even after the Paoli affair). I read one account that after the Germantown fight, General Washington sent Wayne and his men to the western frontier (NW PA.). He was now not to be considered a Gentlemen for his actions in war !
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:44:38 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: musquash, misquash.etc
Exactly right. The Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary has this entry:
MUS'QUASH, n. An American animal of the murine genus, the Muz =
zibethicus. It has a compressed, lanceolated tail, with toes separate. =
It has the smell of musk in summer, but loses it in winter. The fur is =
used by hatters. Its popular name in America is musquash.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
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From: Mike Rock <mikerock@mhtc.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 10:53 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: musquash, misquash.etc
> musquash, misquash =3D muskrats
>=20
>=20
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:31:35 -0400
From: ad.miller@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
<SNIP>
> - extremely ferocious critter. The
>most ferocious animal pound per pound of any animal?
No documentation, but everything I have ever heard or read said that the
Wolverine was by far the most ferocious critter in the woods, bar none.
Reports of Grizzs even backing down from a Wolverine were not exaggerated,
I am told. My grandfather told me a story that in about 1910 or so, he and
some friends were up in the "North Woods" (didn't say where, and I never
thought to ask... I was about 8 when he told me) and heard a heck of a
commotion... Turned out that apparently a Wolverine wanted some of what the
"Bear" had killed... Bear was not to anxious to give up its kill and the
Wolverine was tenacious enough to keep at it, and finally after a few
rushing in attackes, the bear ran off... Would have loved to have seen
that....
Ad Miller
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Date: 9 Aug 1999 06:57:59 -0700
From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
On Mon, 09 August 1999, ad.miller@mindspring.com wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
> > - extremely ferocious critter. The
> >most ferocious animal pound per pound of any animal?
..............................
I saw a Nat.Geo. series from the '50's that showed a wolverine and a grizzly bear on a trail, the bear was coming down and turned around and went up the bank to let the wolverine pass. According to ? Burnman (can't remember first name) one of the brothers that made all the bear movies in Yellowstone, this wasn't uncommon for any animal to step aside to a wolverine.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
_____________________________________
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and early history of the times. AMM journal
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 08:57:12 -0600
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
Based on my wildlife degree and nine years with the Game and Fish and
dealing with trappers each year, although wolverine are protected in
Wyoming, I would say there is little evidence of wolverines wiping out any
herd. They are opportunists and will eat rodents, larvae, eggs, berries and
anything else that is easy to obtain, That is why they have a reputation of
robbing traps and food caches of trappers and hunters. They are rare in the
> On Mon, 09 August 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> On Mon, 09 August 1999, ad.miller@mindspring.com wrote:
> > <SNIP>
> > > - extremely ferocious critter. The
> > >most ferocious animal pound per pound of any animal?
> ..............................
> I saw a Nat.Geo. series from the '50's that showed a wolverine and a grizzly bear on a trail, the bear was coming down and turned around and went up the bank to let the wolverine pass. According to ? Burnman (can't remember first name) one of the brothers that made all the bear movies in Yellowstone, this wasn't uncommon for any animal to step aside to a wolverine.
>
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
Another story of wolverines:
The guy that sit next to me at work just told me about a story he had just read in one of the hunting magazines. Two professional trappers in the NW one season had problems with a wolverine that moved into their territory.
The wolverine would take their food, no matter where the it was cached (even from a tree - hanging on a rope 20' in the air with no limbs for 12' off the ground and wrapped in barbed wire). He climbed another tree then jumed from it into the cach tree.
Finally mid season the situtation is so bad the trappers agree everything they could do in trying to trap, kill or out whit the wolverine has failed, he has won and they are down to their last cache of food. The final straw that broke them, the wolverine gets into the last cache in their cabin and eats a little and sprays on the rest.
The trappers get to Nome, starved and worn down from the experience of one wolverine.
Sounds like wolverines are hell on wheels.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
_____________________________________
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and early history of the times. AMM journal
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:04:08 -0600
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
Another wide spread story about wolverines. A 45 to 60 lb wolverine would
not and could not run off a 500 to 700 lb grizzly or Blk bear if the bear
wanted the carcass. If the bear found a carcass being fed on by a
wolverine, he may decide the effort of fighting the wolverine vs an extra
meal is not worth it. Only if the bear was already fed. Of course there are
On Sun, 08 August 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 06 August 1999, Mike Rock wrote:
> > On the previous post about oats..my desire is to be able to
> >'roll my own', oats, that is....anyone who knows a reference,
> > or how, holler, please!
> >
> > Mike Rock
>
>
> Mike,
> I called Buck's house this morning, his wife said he got called into work, so I grabbed what was on his web site under:
>
> CEREALS AND MEALS
> blue corn meal,
> blended meal,
> barley grits,
> rye-rolled,
> corn grits,
> oats-rolled,
> oats-steel cut,
> wheat-coarse,
> corn meal,
> millet meal.
>
> Nothing shown for oat meal, but does show oats-rolled, oats-steel, I'll try him later to night.
>
> Turtle.
>
......................................
Mike and Turtle,
What Turtle has shown; is the most common reference found from supply and trade lists; 1750 Pennsylvania German for steel-cut oats, and 1820 northeast lists for rolled oats.
Earlier dates have been found on a few lists, but not enough reference to say it was a commonly traded grain. This is not surprising as record keeping was not kept as accurately as in later years when competition had become a factor.
When you look at either; steel-cut or rolled oats when boiled, they both look close to a course oat meal, this is probably what you may want Mike.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
_____________________________________
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and early history of the times. AMM journal
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
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Date: 9 Aug 1999 08:19:30 -0700
From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Oatmeal
On Sun, 08 August 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 06 August 1999, Mike Rock wrote:
> > On the previous post about oats..my desire is to be able to
> >'roll my own', oats, that is....anyone who knows a reference,
> > or how, holler, please!
> >
> > Mike Rock
>
>
> Mike,
> I called Buck's house this morning, his wife said he got called into work, so I grabbed what was on his web site under:
>
> CEREALS AND MEALS
> blue corn meal,
> blended meal,
> barley grits,
> rye-rolled,
> corn grits,
> oats-rolled,
> oats-steel cut,
> wheat-coarse,
> corn meal,
> millet meal.
>
> Nothing shown for oat meal, but does show oats-rolled, oats-steel, I'll try him later to night.
>
> Turtle.
>
......................................
Mike and Turtle,
What Turtle has shown; is the most common reference found from supply and trade lists; 1750 Pennsylvania German for steel-cut oats, and 1820 northeast lists for rolled oats.
Earlier dates have been found on a few lists, but not enough reference to say it was a commonly traded grain. This is not surprising as record keeping was not kept as accurately as in later years when competition had become a factor.
When you look at either; steel-cut or rolled oats when boiled, they both look close to a course oat meal, this is probably what you may want Mike.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
_____________________________________
NOW AVAILABLE a journal of the Fur Trade
and early history of the times. AMM journal
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
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quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:56:04 -0600
From: agottfre@telusplanet.net (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver??
Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu> wrote:
>[Peter Skene Ogden's party's] take was 2740 large beaver, 837 small beaver,
114 large Otter, 9 small
>Otter, 3 Misquash (whaterever the heck that is), and 12 Beaver coats (?)
Musquash is the old Canadian term for muskrat, used as far back as 1680,
according to the_Dictionary of Canadianisms_--I've also seen it in many fur
trade journals. Also according to _Canadianisms_, a beaver coat is a coat
"made from 5-8 prime beaver skins, from which the guard hairs had been
removed, sewn together to make a robe, worn by the Indians with the fur next
to the body". In case someone actually meant to write "Beaver, coats"
instead of "Beaver coats", I should add that "coat beaver" are the skins
which were used in such a coat .
Somewhere, I read (or was told) the following : The coat was made with the
guard hairs still on, and they wore off during the winter. This made the
coat beaver skins more valuable, since the hatters didn't have to remove the
guard hairs before making felt. The beaver coats would be purchased in early
spring, before the fur brigades left for the east; since it was still pretty
chilly, the Natives needed warm clothing to replace the coats, which started
the trade in blankets and capots. At some point, the Europeans invented a
process which enabled the guard hairs to be removed quickly and easily , and
coat beaver was no longer as desirable. Beaver furs that were not made into
coats, but instead prepared in the traditional manner by stretching &
drying, were called parchment beaver.
I wish I could cite sources for this info, but I absorbed it so long ago
that I don't remember where it came from, and so it might be wrong.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
agottfre@telusplanet.net
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:08:50 EDT
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver??
Don't want to argue, but I sell my beaver in Canada and the auction house,
North American Fur Exchange, formally Hudson Bay Co. if you go back far
enough, grade the nonprime fur as coats.
TrapRJoe
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 12:18:35 EDT
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Glue stick
<< I'SINGLASS, n. i'zinglass. [that is, ise or ice-glass.]
A substance consisting chiefly of gelatin, of a firm texture and whitish
color, prepared from the sounds or air-bladders of certain fresh water
fishes, particularly of the huso, a fish of the sturgeon kind, found in the
rivers of Russia. It is used as an agglutinant and in fining wines.
I wonder what available substance would substitute? >>
I believe you can still buy it at wine and beer maker shops. It is still
used to clarify wine and beer. So you may not need a substitute.
Your Humble Servant
C.T. Oakes
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Date: 9 Aug 1999 12:00:11 -0700
From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Reenactment
> On Sun, 08 August 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> Is anything like this remotely possible?
>
> Are any of the 500 or so active AMM brothers exploring this? Maybe give
> guided tours of the most important sections of the trails? Are any of
> the trails currently marked in any manner?
>
> C-SPAN is currently doing a series on The 41 U.S. Presidents -
> travelling to all the historic places associated with each -
> interviewing their descendants - having historical scholars answer
> phoned-in questions. Maybe C-SPAN and the AMM could work together on
> something similar for the Corps of Discovery Bicentennial?
>
> Can't think of another group that has any more practical experience and
> knowledge of these events than those on this list.
Many of the AMM members, as well as other groups and individuals have traveled in the footsteps of the "Corps of Discovery". Some write about their travels, other just talk about their experiences among friends and at party encampments.
I'm an AMM member, but have never traveled as a group with the AMM members on these trails.
But as a member of a small group of adventures have traveled from Ft. Benton MT to Ft. de Chartres ILL and all points in between. Then in another group years before have traveled from Phila. PA to Ft. Osage, both groups where doing apprx. 1805-1810 time periods, equipage, food, etc.
This has taken myself a 30 year period of a few weeks to a month at a time compared to the couple of years of the original adventure. There are several that have done the whole experience from sea to shinging sea in following in the footsteps of L&C or other greats.
Have talked to several new groups wanting to start the same trips and have contacted myself and others for advice and what to expect; as original routes have changed in varoius places with river and Corp of Engineer changes, as well as private land and gaining access from owners.
Myself I need to do the Columbia River to the coast to have completed the total experience, really don't know if that will ever happen as job, home and age makes a big difference with every year that passes.
God Bless anyone following in our forefathers footsteps whether it's Lewis & Clark or another traveler of the past.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
_____________________________________
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 13:41:07 -0700
From: randybublitz@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Reenactment
Jon, I have traveled about 700 miles of the L&C trail by canoe. I have
done this in 4 different trips. Work and family only allows for 1 -2
week excursions. I did drive the L & C trail from Ft Benton, MT after
completeing a 150 mile canoe trip. It was amazing to see the terrain
which my heroes covered. Ft Clatsop was an inspiration to see. There
were mostly AMM members, or prospects on these trips. I study the Corps
of discovery, but don't feel like an authority. I wish I were
independently wealthy , so i could spend as much time as I wanted giving
guided tours of the L & C trail. I always can look forward to
retirement, but am afraid I won't have what it takes physically to make
true my dreams of today. I do what I can now, so I won't say later..."I
should have done that....". Much of the roadside part of the trail is
marked. The river is just river, you have to know what has transpired
there. I just returned from a canoe trip on the lower 100 miles of the
Yellowstone River, ending at the confluence of the Missouri river.
Interestingly my trip clock showed 1,806 miles home from Ft Union. 1806
was the year that Clark explored the Yellowstone. We do what we can to
keep the memory , and the dream, alive. Hardtack
Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give
up your Rights
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Date: 09 Aug 99 16:39:39 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Reenactment
Reply to: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial =
Reenactment
Randy - We have be canoeing the Missouri. Would be interested in your =
trip on the Yellowstone.
DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
randybublitz wrote:
>Jon, I have traveled about 700 miles of the L&C trail by canoe. I have
>done this in 4 different trips. Work and family only allows for 1 -2
>week excursions. I did drive the L & C trail from Ft Benton, MT after
>completeing a 150 mile canoe trip. It was amazing to see the terrain
>which my heroes covered. Ft Clatsop was an inspiration to see. There
>were mostly AMM members, or prospects on these trips. I study the Corps
>of discovery, but don't feel like an authority. I wish I were
>independently wealthy , so i could spend as much time as I wanted giving
>guided tours of the L & C trail. I always can look forward to
>retirement, but am afraid I won't have what it takes physically to make
>true my dreams of today. I do what I can now, so I won't say later..."I
>should have done that....". Much of the roadside part of the trail is
>marked. The river is just river, you have to know what has transpired
>there. I just returned from a canoe trip on the lower 100 miles of the
>Yellowstone River, ending at the confluence of the Missouri river. =
>Interestingly my trip clock showed 1,806 miles home from Ft Union. 1806
>was the year that Clark explored the Yellowstone. We do what we can to
>keep the memory , and the dream, alive. Hardtack =
>
> =
> =
> =
>Your Second Amendment Rights protect ALL of your other Rights, Don't give
>up your Rights
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:53:23 -0600
From: "Ron" <cstmzd@ida.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
Taken from "Journal of a Trapper"
By Osborne Russell
THE WOLVERINE, CARCAJOU OR GLUTTON
This Species of animals is very numerous in the Rocky Mountains and very
mischievous and annoying to the Hunters They often get into the traps
setting for Beaver or searching out the deposits of meat which the weary
hunter has made during a toilsome days hunt among mountains too rugged and
remote for him to bear the reward of his labors to the place of Encampment,
and when finding these deposits the Carcajou carries off all or as much of
the contents as he is able secreting it in different places among the snow
rocks or bushes in such a manner that it is very difficult for man or beast
to find it. The avaricious disposition of this animal has given rise to the
name of Glutton by Naturalists who suppose that it devours so much at a time
as to render it stupid and incapable of moving or running about but I have
never seen an instance of this Kind on the contrary I have seen them quite
expert and nimble immediately after having carreyd away 4 or 5 times their
weight in meat. I have good reason to believe that the Carcajou's appetite
is easily satisfied upon meat freshly killed but after it becomes putrid it
may become more Voracious but I never saw one myself or a person who had
seen one in a stupid dormant state caused by Gluttony altho I have often
wished it were the case The body is thick and long the legs short, the feet
and Claws are longer in proportion than those of the Black bear which it
very much resembles. with the exception of its tail which is 12 inches long
and bushy. Its body is about 3 ft long and stands fifteen inches high its
colour is black except along the sides which are of a dirty white or light
brown -
Its movements are somewhat quicker than those of the Bear and it climbs
trees with ease. I have never known either by experience or information the
Carcajou to prey upon animals of its own killing larger than very young
fawns or lambs altho. it has been described by Naturalists and generally
believed that it climbs trees and leaps down upon Elk Deer and other large
animals and clings to their back till it kills them in spite of their
efforts to get rid of it by speed or resistance but we need go no further
than the formation of the animal to prove those statements erroneous. Its
body legs feet and mouth are shaped similarly to the Black Bear as has been
already stated but its claws are somewhat longer and straighter in
proportion and like the Bear its claws are somewhat blunted at the points
which would render it impossible for them to cling to the back of an Elk or
Deer while running. I do not pretend to say however what may be its habits
in other countries I only write from Experience. They do not den up like
the Bear in winter but ramble about the streams among the high mountains
where they find springs open - its hair is 3 inches long and in the Summer
is coarse like the Bear but in winter it is near as fine as that of the Red
Fox The female brings forth its young in April and generally brings two at
a birth
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From: JON MARINETTI <JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net>
To: hist_text@xmission.com <hist_text@xmission.com>
Date: Monday, August 09, 1999 12:17 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: trapping wolverines
Heard a man in Montana say the other day that in 40 years of trapping he
has only snared 3 wolverines - extremely cunning animals. Also heard a
Sami reindeer herder (the Sami are the Aborigines of the northernmost
regions of Norway, Sweden, and Finland) say that the wolverine is the
only animal that will torture its prey before it dies - by severing the
neck tendons leading to a slow death several days later. He also said
that a wolverine can wipe out a herd - extremely ferocious critter. The
most ferocious animal pound per pound of any animal?
That being said - are there any fur trade era or modern day experiences
of the camp to back these stories up?
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:27:09 EDT
From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Reenactment
In a message dated 8/8/99 10:59:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net writes:
<< Is anything like this remotely possible? >>
There is a re-enactment scheduled to start in 2004 that will run from one end
of the country to the other keeping as close to the timeline as possible.
things the last I heard were getting out of hand with a bunch of rich (so &
so's) taking over and really getting things screwed up so as to make sure all
the publicity lands in thier direction. I was giving serious thought to
getting involved but at this time I'm not too sure I want to. When I get
more details on this event I will pass them on.
Longshot
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Date: 9 Aug 1999 17:46:17 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis & Clark Bicentennial Reenactment
On Mon, 09 August 1999, LODGEPOLE@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/8/99 10:59:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net writes:
>
> << Is anything like this remotely possible? >>
> There is a re-enactment scheduled to start in 2004 that will run from one end
> of the country to the other keeping as close to the timeline as possible.
> things the last I heard were getting out of hand with a bunch of rich (so &
> so's) taking over and really getting things screwed up so as to make sure all
> the publicity lands in thier direction. I was giving serious thought to
> getting involved but at this time I'm not too sure I want to. When I get
> more details on this event I will pass them on.
>
> Longshot
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I have done the Phila. Pa. up to the Great Lakes and over to the head waters of the Mississippi with a group of about 20, that many years ago - that's when Buck Conner was young, maybe it was longer ! Have done parts of the Upper Missouri, and like others need to get back at it, the sooner the netter.
Like Longshot said I was contacted about the doin's in 2004, then here comes some "hi-rollers" and they are trying to suck up all the credit that everyone else is working toward. It's not so much credit per say, it was to be a large group effort and now it's stalled because of a few.
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Date: 9 Aug 1999 17:48:41 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Frontier Periods
On Sun, 08 August 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> About 22 years ago, on an old American Sportsman program, heard a
> possible AMM member once refer to "The Appalachian Mountain Frontier
> Period", which preceded the "Rocky Mountain Frontier Period"
> (1805-1850). Guesstimate that the former would be from 1750-1820???.
> Any comments or insight would be appreciated.
I have heard as someone said, "western frontier" was nw Pa, and se Ohio during the Rev War, that would fit the time frame mentioned.
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