>> Take 1 lb of the best glue, boil and strain it very clear; boil likewi=
se 4
>> oz. of isinglass, put it in a double glue-pot, with =BD lb. of fine br=
own
>> sugar, and boil it pretty thick; then pour it into moulds; when cold, =
cut
>> and dry them in small pieces.=A0 This glue is very useful to draughtsm=
en,
>> architects, etc., as it immediately dilutes in warm water, and fastens=
the
>> paper without the process of damping."
>> ___________________________________________
>>
>> This could also be called mouth glue.=A0=A0 Will fasten more than pape=
r.
>>
>> John...
>>
>> At 07:48 PM 8/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> >I took a 1/4" stick and dipped it in warm hide glue then lightly dust=
ed
>> >with powdered charcoal.=A0 Then I dipped it again and powdered again =
and
>> >so on and so on etc...etc..
>> >letting it dry partially after about 10 or so dippings.=A0 Build up a
>> >large ball of the mixture so it looks like a mutated Q-tip.=A0 Let dr=
y
>> >completely.=A0 A large amount of shrinkage will occur.=A0 The charcoa=
l adds
>> >some tooth to the glue for adhesion.=A0 Simply place the glue stick i=
n a
>> >very small amount of warm water to reconstitute and use for minor glu=
e
>> >repairs.
>> >
>> Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
>> John Kramer=A0 <kramer@kramerize.com>
>=20
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 21:19:23 -0500
From: Mike Rock <mikerock@mhtc.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: (no subject)
The rice thread leads to another.....rolled oats, crushed oats or ground
oats, and oatmeal....How was it made..the rolled kind....I have a very
old set of 'rolls' that mesh like five tooth gears and have almost zero
clearance. I thought they were for crushing cane sorghum, but they are
too close for even that. They were fitted with a hopper, and sit on
rails, like over a barrel or bag. Date from just after Civil
War...Found in Tennessee.
Now, the Scottish were big on oats in the Carolina highlands, are these
oat rolls??
Did the fur trade use 'oat' meal?
Buck????????
Mike Rock
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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:34:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver??
On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Chance Tiffie wrote:
> I'm interested in finding out what the average number of beaver pelts taken
> during the fall and spring hunts was, per trapper. What was considered a
> poor year, and what was considered a good year? Was there a quota, that
> company men were expected to meet? Any and all responses appreciated.
Peter Skene Ogden's 1825-26 expedtion.
The party appears to number about 20 more men than Ross's 1823 expedition,
or about 70 men, around 50 women, and Lord knows how many kids.
The party also traded for beaver as they went, including the payment of
some debts owed by former company men (read deserters), that they
encountered along the way.
Take was 2740 large beaver, 837 small beaver, 114 large Otter, 9 small
Otter, 3 Misquash (whaterever the heck that is), and 12 Beaver coats (?)
The calculator sez that a total of 3577 beaver were taken.
Here, it gets shaky since we don't know who was doing what in the party...
If we assume that about the same ratio of men trapped in this party as in
Ross's party (about 36%), then that means that about 25 trappers took
3577 beaver. That makes about 143 beaver per man... or about 1.2
beaver per day per man if we assume the four month season.
Thar' a lot of assumptions in there mind you.
References: My notes say this came from the Oregon Historical Society
Quarterly, Vol X.. that would be in the 1930's or so.
Regards
Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 01:59:14 -0500
From: Mike Rock <mikerock@mhtc.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Oatmeal
On the previous post about oats..my desire is to be able to 'roll my
own', oats, that is....anyone who knows a reference, or how, holler,
please!
Mike Rock
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:17:49 EDT
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: (no subject) -- Oat rolls
In a message dated 99-08-06 22:14:35 EDT, you write:
<< They were fitted with a hopper, and sit on
rails, like over a barrel or bag. Date from just after Civil
War...Found in Tennessee. >>
Sounds like a good description of the rolls Grandad had. Pour the oats in
the hopper, turn the crank & the rolled oats came out the bottom. We used to
do this on a day with a light wind so the hulls would blow off to the side of
the catch basket. The rolls were set up at about 3' off the ground & the
catch basket was placed on the ground underneath leaving about 30" between
for the wind to blow out the "chaff". We lost a small portion of the oats
with the chaff, but that was better than hulls in the oats. The chickens
appreciated oat rolling day, so the oats that missed the basket weren't
wasted.
Grandad also had a "burr mill" we used to grind our own "cream of wheat",
corn meal & grits. He used an old steel wheel 4 wheel drive Massy Harris
tractor from back in the '30's to power the mill -- IF he could get it
started! That tractor was a real piece of work! It was designed to pull the
origional M/H "combine". It was set up for remote controls so it could be
opertated from the combine platform -- remote steering, clutch, throttle, &
gear shifts. Wonder whatever happened to that old tractor.
NM
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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 09:23:37 -0400
From: Tom Roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: shooting bag
And if you locate said maker of handforged bullet molds, please post it.
Tom
larry pendleton wrote:
> Louis,
> I didn't mention a cow's knee, but if I'm going out for an extended time,
> I also carry one.
> As far as bullet molds, the quality of Rapine's can vary quite a bit. A
> friend of mine who is a dealer, bought a large number of them and some were
> perfect and some were pretty bad. Actually I have had better luck with the
> brass molds that Dixie sells. I am looking for someone who builds
> handforged bullet molds at a fairly reasonable price. Come to think of it ,
> it wouldn't have to be real reasonable.
> Pendleton
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:30:38 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw:
- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Jones <pwjones@excelonline.com>
To: larry pendleton <yrrw@airmail.net>
Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: Need Info
>I am not able to connect to the History List for some reason.
>
>Would you kindly post the following for me.
>
>Paul Jones has a substantial collection of buckskinning magazines for sale
>to the highest bidder(s) You can make an offer on some or all of what he
>has. He has THE BUCKSKIN REPORT (June 77 through 86--when it "went
under"),
>MUZZLELOADER (84 through 97). Not all the issues, but most. He also has
>some 1980's issues of THE BACKWOODSMAN and a number of the early issues of
>THE TOMAHAWK & LONGRIFLE available. If interested, contact him at
>pwjones@excelonline.com and he will send you a complete listing as to
>whatever you may be interested in obtaining.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:25:41 -0700
From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: moose milk
Most people should be able to get moose milk at any place that has machine
shop tools, lathe, milling machine, end mills. Most factorys, or machine
shops have some. It`s the white liquid used to cool and lube the machines as
they cut, drill, grind ect. It is an oil that is water solible, will mix
with water. My employer uses an oil that is "brand name" J-sol You will be
surprised how long a qt. will last you. Also ask for the mixing ratio for
water to oil. Keep a close friendship with the machanics or maintance people
you work with. a deer steak or two will get lots of usful things
John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest Ohio
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <RR1LA@aol.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 1999 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TVM Pistol
> I found Moose Milk at a sutler by the name of Otter, out of Oregon IIRC. I
> think he does do Friendship, so that mighta been him. Some guys on the
list
> will freak when I mention this BUT... Macs Radiator Lube as recommended
by
> someone else on the list last year DOES work great. Lotsa shots between
> swabs, and a perfectly clean barrel after a swab with the stuff and a
water
> rinse. Its milky white, and sure looks like Moose Milk to me. Barn.
>
> "It's too bad youth is wasted on the young"
>
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:49:18 EDT
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver??
24 wifes? All of mixed blood or indain, some have said on this list? Seems
doutful.
TrapRJoe
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:52:20 EDT
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver??
"Beaver coats" is a term still used today. It refers to a really large
beaver.
TrapRJoe
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Date: 7 Aug 1999 11:10:14 -0700
From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moose milk
The original "Moose Milk" was more involved than what has been mentioned, "Powder Hawk" Trustem now in IA (seen on this list at times)produced a product called "Powderhawk"s Pride" that was from the original recipe of Don Davis when he was shooting and winning everything at Friendship in the '50's. Curly G. and Charley H. got the recipe from Don.
Hawk and several of us where at the Museum of the Fur Trade, helping with some project Charley had, and he gave the recipe to Hawk to reproduce.
If Hawk is listing lets hear how far off these ideas are.
..................................
> Most people should be able to get moose milk at any place
> that has machine shop tools, lathe, milling machine, end > mills. Most factorys, or machine shops have some. My
> employer uses an oil that is "brand name" J-sol You
> will be surprised how long a qt. will last you.
..................................
> Macs Radiator Lube as recommended
> by someone else on the list last year DOES work great.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
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and early history of the times. AMM journal
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year -
quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:30:14 -0600
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: buffalo dung in tobacco
A while back there was discussion on what was added to tobacco. I finally
had some time to look in some books of mine. George Catlin, noted, "the use
of finely pulverized buffalo dung, used by all Indian Epicures in smoking,
to facilitate the lighting of the pipe. The Indians, who have now lucifer
matches, generally light their pipes with flint and steel; and the pipe
being charged with k'nick-k'neck, a small quantity of the buffalo dung is
placed on top, which like tinder, catches the spark an comunicates it
rapidly to the k'nick-k'neck, and as they all contend, gives to the fumes
an agreeable flavour." Indian art in pipestone, by John Ewers
I have seen several examples of using a circle of buffalo dung for an altar
for pipe. some are wrapped in intestine and rubbed with red ochre or
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moose milk
>The original "Moose Milk" was more involved than what has been mentioned,
"Powder Hawk" Trustem now in IA (seen on this list at times)produced a
product called "Powderhawk"s Pride" that was from the original recipe of Don
Davis when he was shooting and winning everything at Friendship in the
'50's. Curly G. and Charley H. got the recipe from Don.
>
>Hawk and several of us where at the Museum of the Fur Trade, helping with
some project Charley had, and he gave the recipe to Hawk to reproduce.
>
>If Hawk is listing lets hear how far off these ideas are.
>
>..................................
>> Most people should be able to get moose milk at any place
>> that has machine shop tools, lathe, milling machine, end > mills. Most
factorys, or machine shops have some. My
>> employer uses an oil that is "brand name" J-sol You
>> will be surprised how long a qt. will last you.
>..................................
>
>> Macs Radiator Lube as recommended
>> by someone else on the list last year DOES work great.
>
>Later,
>Buck Conner
>dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
>http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
>_____________________________________
>NOW AVAILABLE a journal of the Fur Trade
>and early history of the times. AMM journal
>
>The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
>Conklin, MI 49403
>ATTN: Jon Link
>
>The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year -
>quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
>_____________________________________
>
>
>
>Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account http://www.uswestmail.net
>
>
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:37:03 -0700
From: "Munroe Crutchley" <munroe@rvi.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Was moosemilk now cleaning solution
> If you're going to use a solvent this is a pretty good one. Without the
> amonia it's about as mild as you can get. I personally prefer to use
just
> plain water to clean my gun as our forefathers did.
I mix:
1/3 Murphy's oil soap
1/3 glass plus (ammonia-free window cleaner)
1/3 water
This is a great black powder solvent and is truly friendly to steel. I
tested it by putting an 8-penny nail in the mixture for a week, and there
was no sign of corrosion at all. I put other nails in each separate
ingredient of the mixture for the same length of time. The nails that were
placed in the water and the glass plus were both corroded badly. The
Murphy's oil soap must be the protecting agent in this mixture because the
nail that was placed in it was also free of corrosion.
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Date: 8 Aug 1999 12:39:02 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: moose milk
> On Sat, 07 August 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
> The original "Moose Milk" was more involved than what has
> been mentioned, "Powder Hawk" Trustem now in IA (seen on this
> list at times)produced a product called "Powderhawk"s Pride"
> that was like the original recipe of Don Davis when he was
> shooting and winning everything at Friendship............
Buck, I think the patch lube/cleaner that Hawk made "Powerhawks Pride" was a little different than the original "Moose Milk". It seemed to let you get more shots between cleaning because it self cleaned with each shot.
I still have a little left from the Gun Shop in Ft.Collins, I think they we're telling customers it was the same as Davis' "Moose Milk" !
Keep your weapon clean.
Turtle.
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Date: 8 Aug 1999 12:46:19 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Oatmeal
> On Fri, 06 August 1999, Mike Rock wrote:
> On the previous post about oats..my desire is to be able to
>'roll my own', oats, that is....anyone who knows a reference,
> or how, holler, please!
>
> Mike Rock
Mike,
I called Buck's house this morning, his wife said he got called into work, so I grabbed what was on his web site under:
CEREALS AND MEALS
blue corn meal,
blended meal,
barley grits,
rye-rolled,
corn grits,
oats-rolled,
oats-steel cut,
wheat-coarse,
corn meal,
millet meal.
Nothing shown for oat meal, but does show oats-rolled, oats-steel, I'll try him later to night.
Turtle.
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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 14:13:01 -0700
From: mkDragon <shabut@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: nuff said
>
> Darwin Awards
> The Darwin nominees are in again. (This is the award bestowed upon
> the
> people who have helpfully removed themselves from the gene pool by their own efforts.
> NOMINEE No. 6: [The Indianapolis Star]: A cigarette lighter may have
> trig-
> gered a fatal explosion. A Jay County man, using a lighter to check
> the
> barrel of a muzzleloader, was killed when the weapon discharged in
> his
> face.
> Sheriff investigators said Gregory David Pryor died in his parents'
> rural Dunkirk home while cleaning a 54-caliber muzzleloader that had
> not
> been firing properly. He was using the lighter to look into the
> barrel
> when the
> gunpowder ignited.
Butch
- --
Sometimes the need to mess with their heads outweighs the millstone
of humiliation. -Fox Mulder
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:23:28 -0700
From: "John Hunt" <jhunt1@one.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: gun document "off topic"
Fellow list members;
The recent burglary of a coworkers home in which several guns were
stolen prompted me to make a document of information about my guns. He
didn`t have serial numbers or good identification on his stolen guns. They
are probably unrecoverable. This document is intended for the owners
information. Upon a theft it could be given to law enforcement officials,
along with a picture stapled to it for hopeful recovery. If people are
interested in it I could send as an attachment and you can print as many
copies as are needed.
John (BIG JOHN) Hunt
Longhunter
Mountainman
southwest Ohio
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:04:38 EDT
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver??
A correction from my response earlier. A coat beaver was not a very large
beaver, they are referred to as blankets. A coat is fur that is less than
prime. Sorry I gave the bad infro. Getting older I guess.
TrapRJoe
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:45:11 EDT
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver??
Trap'r, Welcome to the ranks of those of us ENTITLED to have a 'Senior
Moment' every now and then <ggggg> Barney Fife
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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 21:16:55 -0400
From: Tom Roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Gun Cover
After searching the E-mail archives, my meager library, and a few other
sources and coming up empty, I pose this question:
Is there any correct style, construction, color, etc for a gun cover
made from a wool blanket, or is this something that has
too many possible variations to be wrong. I suspect there are probably
no originals around to see. Any ideas or thoughts before I put the
knife to this old moth-eaten dirty red blanket?
Thanx, Tom
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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:18:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <zaz@pacificnet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Reworked Raphine
Dennis,
Don't know if you would want to sell it, but I have been looking for a good
.600 Raphine. If not, maybe I could locate a .570 to trade you. Either
