> alright DL. one post and you got half the list out
> from under their rocks... way to go. Barney Fife
"Honest Officer I was just standing there and this ....."
Let me clear up a few things, I moved from ILL about 12-13 years ago and moved to Canada to teach Junior High - was a 5 year contract in a private school, got extended for a total of 12 years. I decided to move back to the MO / ILL area because of relations in both states.
Don't believe Buck, Turtle or Powderhawk - I wasn't tarred or feathered and the rope burns weren't that bad - only kidding.
Many of the boys years back in and around the Ft. Osage to Ft.deChartre have camped, canoed or rode with us at one time or another. Old Ron Hacker, Frenchy and Fellows probably remember some good parties at deChartre. The lines at the john's weren't that long Buck and many said the stew had a sweet taste !!! Just thought it didn't agree with them, darnest thing.
If your in the area at Ft. Osage to Ft.deChartre give a camp yell for "Concho" and listen up, ye will yell back.
I can see you ladies and gentlemen have a good sense of humor, sound like my kind of folk. Thank you for your time.
D. L. "Concho" Smith
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 19:25:39 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: (no subject)
On Sun, 01 August 1999, Mike Rock wrote:
>
> Now Concho, see what you stirred up!
>
> On Caking the salt. we boiled some from sea water once and scraped it
> out of the pots into a wooden bowl, and being hygroscopic, it picked up
> water from the air, and caked overnight. If you leave a bag of salt
> open in the barn, it will cake in a few days or weeks to where you have
> to break it up to feed it. Seems to take care of itself.
Folks,
This be a "salty" list - anbody got a drink.
>
> Now......are there any records of carrying maple sugar to Rendezvous???
>
> Rock
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 19:32:01 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
> > small tin tins with a bit of beeswax around the outer edge works real fine.
> > also, a short horn with a divider put up the center before its plugged, and
> > dowels (or piano tuning keys) to plug the holes at the top has kept salt AND
> > pepper in the same container (VERY CONVENIENT) perfectly dry while sitting
> > out on the table in storms. IIRC, wax or pitch lined kegs were used to
> > transport large quantities of salt in times gone bye. Barn
>
> problem is if left in a damp area for a period of time the salt get's hard and can't be removed from the horn.
>
> Later,
> Buck Conner
I remember seeing Buck stepping out of a canoe at Ft. Osage (the Corp of Engr. had just work the sides over), I was in water to my knees (on the shelf). He missed the shelf and disappeared (about 15 foot down) darn - he got his salt wet, along with everything he had on. Buck do you remember, your little greased bag didn't help.
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:33:41 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
> >>>>>>
>
> I remember seeing Buck stepping out of a canoe at Ft. Osage (the Corp of Engr. had just work the sides over), I was in water to my knees (on the shelf). He missed the shelf and disappeared (about 15 foot down) darn - he got his salt wet, along with everything he had on. Buck do you remember, your little greased bag didn't help.
Tell us more, will you??<BG>
D
Doc Newell, Ohio Party AMM
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 19:36:01 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> This "list" looks like a chat room today.
> Laura,
>
> I think who ever said "Concho" should have never
> been left on this list is pretty close to correct,
> Buck Conner
"unfair and unjust treatment" from a little lady I haven't had the pleasure of meeting, as for the other one - should have left him drawn at Osage.
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:30:51 -0500
From: bvannoy <bvannoy@mciworld.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: salt
Boy, you aren't kidding, there, "Concho". A woman doesn't need to
come in after being out in the garden to all this talk about salt! I
need a beer!
Badger
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 19:40:48 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List
> It was an accident, we where just looking at that boxes of chocolate, or we though it was chocolate, and Buck pushed me ...
Now who the bad butt here, we where just looking.
> God what a mess, all the port-johns where full and the lines where unbelieveable.....
Seen longer at a PX on two for one sales.
> Sorry, it was a mistake and Concho tried to get the four boxes out.......
What a guy, tried to get that nasty cardboard out.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 19:45:17 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
On Sun, 01 August 1999, "larry pendleton" wrote:
>
> Oh no ! I'm sorry ! I guess I offended him.
> Pendleton
> Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should know
> this.
> Lanney
What's wrong with Texican's, you guys look like you like to have fun, where do I sign up at boys.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 19:47:34 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> He isn't from any state, none of the lower 48 will lay claim to this one boys, I feel kind of sick that I know him and the trouble he has gotten me into over the years.
>
>
Who wrote this, they're low to the ground and crawl on their belly - Turtle did you do this.
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:46:39 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
I think to become a Texiacan, ya gotta sign in blood and it don't really gotta be yours...
D
concho@uswestmail.net wrote:
> On Sun, 01 August 1999, "larry pendleton" wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh no ! I'm sorry ! I guess I offended him.
> > Pendleton
> > Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should know
> > this.
> > Lanney
>
> What's wrong with Texican's, you guys look like you like to have fun, where do I sign up at boys.
>
> D. L. "Concho" Smith
> Washington, MO.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 20:06:11 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> On Sun, 01 August 1999, Dennis Miles wrote:
>
> I think to become a Texiacan, ya gotta sign in blood and it don't really gotta be yours...
> D
>
> > > Oh no ! I'm sorry ! I guess I offended him.
> > > Pendleton
> > > Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should know
> > > this.
> > > Lanney
> >
> > What's wrong with Texican's, you guys look like you like to have fun, where do I sign up at boys.
> >
> > D. L. "Concho" Smith
Dennis if that's the case and your sure "it don't really gotta be yours...", does Buck still drink.
Oh, he wasn't drinking the evening to took a swim at Osage, poor Old Grady's (Ft. Capt.) eye's where bigger than Buck's. Tell you what, "quill work" sure don't do good in Missouri River water, made some good repair work for Jan Zelter - so at least one person was happy.
The boys that dug the river where lucky to not be around, Buck would have warmed some tails with Mrs. Jager (his new shootin iron)if he could have stood up while treading water. Can still see his face, I still laugh about that Buck.
Folks, I had better get off, seems I have opened a large can of worms with a few members of this list, and a butt chewing is probably real close by now. HE HE
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 20:31:22 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> Folks, I had better get off, seems I have opened a large can of worms with a few members of this list, and a butt chewing is probably real close by now. HE HE
>
Say good night, old friend
Sorry for not signing, and stop saying I craw.
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:34:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: GW's kitchen mess kit - metal tin containers
"the outside had turned a dark gray color from age" --- wonder if it
could have been pewtered [tin-lead alloy] with maybe some silver added ?
- ------------------------------------------------------nickname of Concho
- - are ye originally from near the Musselshell?
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:57:49 -0400
From: ad.miller@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Great idea :) I'll be going to the NMLRA Eastern in Sept in West Va, so if
any of you are there, look for thje sign "MOUSE HOUSE" and stop by. There
is always something in the pot (not sure what kinda meat) and the coffee is
always hot... Would love to meet some of you face to face...
Addison and Vicki Miller
Little Wolf and Mouse
>Let discuss some fur trade, rendezvous or ones coming up.
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:05:14 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
We DO manage to have a good time occasionally. Maybe you could come =
down an visit sometime.
Lanney=20
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Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> On Sun, 01 August 1999, "larry pendleton" wrote:
>=20
> >=20
> > Oh no ! I'm sorry ! I guess I offended him.
> > Pendleton
> > Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you =
should know
> > this.
> > Lanney
>=20
> What's wrong with Texican's, you guys look like you like to have fun, =
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:37:27 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Ferris on Salt
Hello the list,
Interesting discussion on salt. In Life in the Rocky Mountains, Ferris wrote:
Page 128 "At the mouth of Beaver Creek the mountains retire apart leaving a
beautiful valley fifteen miles long, and six to eight broad, watered by
several small streams which unite and form "Salt River", so called from the
quantity of salt, in a crystalized form, found upon most of it's branches.."
On page 266 he continues to talk about the same area; "The salt found in the
country is, however, more commonly found attached to stones, in the bottoms
of dried up pools, like ice, and requires a hard blow, in most cases, to
separate them. Breaking from the strata as much salt as we coud
conveniently carry, we collected the fragments and put them into bags, which
we lashed to our saddles, and sallied out into the prairie on our return to
camp."
Yet more on page 346. "We passed three miles down the river, and found the
salt in a slough on the west side of it. It was found on the surface of a
black stinking mire, fifty or sixty paces in circuit; the upper stata was
fine, and white as snow, to the depth of two inches; beneath which, was a
layer of beautiful crystals, to the depth of five or six inches, that rested
on the surface of the mire. We slowly sank into the latter to our knees,
whilst scooping up the salt, and then changed places, for we could scarcely
extricate ourselves at the depth; and concluded that if we should remain
long enough in the same spot, we would at length disappear entirely. This
opinion was coroborated by thrusting down a stick four feet in length,
without meeting any resistance, more than at the surface. I gathered about
half a bushel in a few minutes, and returned with my companions, who were
equally fortunate, to camp."
Osborne Russell talked about Salt River area on page 12; "On the 10th of May
we moved down the river about 12 miles to a stream running into it on the
west side called Scotts Fork. Here are some fine Salt Springs the Salt
forms on the pebbles by evaporation to the depth of 5 or 6 inches in a short
time after the snow has disappeared 11th May After gathering a Supply of
Salt we traveled down the river 15 miles....."
On page 96 Russell talks about returning to the salt springs to gather salt.
Charles Larpenteur on page 48 of his book said; " I had a partner, a German,
and we could together purchase a bladder (of pemmincan); but as to salt and
pepper, which we had to buy-salt $1 a pint, pepper $2-we were not in
partnership. each had his small sach containing pepper and salt mixed, and
used it as he thought proper."
With all this salt around, I wouldn't be inclined to think that too much of
it was hauled all the way out to rendezvous from St. Louis.
Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:26:49 -0500
From: James A Lindberg <jal@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tarps
You might look for a heavy painters cloth, some are pretty good canvas.
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Date: 2 Aug 1999 06:32:44 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GW's kitchen mess kit - metal tin containers
> On Sun, 01 August 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
>
> "the outside had turned a dark gray color from age" --- wonder if it
> could have been pewtered [tin-lead alloy] with maybe some silver added ?
> ------------------------------------------------------nickname of Concho
> - are ye originally from near the Musselshell?
- ------------------------------
Jon,
That's a good point, I will contact a friend that is still involved with the Valley Forge Historical Society and ask him your question. That was a fashionable thing in Washington's Day and seeing how the "kitchen mess" belonged to him that could be, it's been at least 15 years since I looked at the set and can't remember now. I'll get back with an answer Jon.
- ------------------------------
As far as D.L. "Concho" Smith, I believe he was raised in southern CA - but moved around the country - military brat. As this past weekend has shown, he can sure stir things up: at a camp, while traveling period, even at a 7-11 when stopping for gas, and now the internet. Like someone said, lock your daughters and small animals up - he's back.
- ------------------------------
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Date: 2 Aug 1999 12:21:18 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Please forgive me.
Ladies & Gentlemen,
Please forgive the number of e-mail's I was responsible for on Sunday,
seems to have gotten out of hand for several of us. I usually don't do
things as such, maybe it was the moon, being bored, or a very small
chance that others tricked me into running off at the mouth.
Mr. Miles tells me this is an old Texas trick that has been used on him several
times over the years. Even Miss Laura has questioned who I am, why my
location is one place, my e-mail another, so on and so on. I'm just a victim of a friend, one could say - he set me up in more than one way, thanks for getting me this e-mail Buck and I'm glad I told them about you taking a swim in the Missouri. That makes it all worthwhile old friend, I think others will agree if they know you. Dennis tells me he now owns Mrs. Jager, that's a suprise - the way she would shoot, didn't think she would ever leave home !
Need to get ready for several job interviews for tomorrow, if I'm working I'll not be bothering everyone on this list, have to admit yesterday was fun and everyone seemed to enjoy it.
Thank you folks for your time.
D.L."Concho"Smith + Washington, MO. +
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:40:21 -0700
From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com
Subject: MtMan-List: North Star West
Anybody know the phone # for North Star West in Glencoe, Cal? I had it but it's
gone now. Thanks in advance.
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Date: 2 Aug 1999 12:46:22 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: GW's kitchen mess kit - metal tin containers
On Mon, 02 August 1999, "Buck" wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 01 August 1999, JON MARINETTI wrote:
> >
> > "the outside had turned a dark gray color from age" --- wonder if it
> > could have been pewtered [tin-lead alloy] with maybe some silver added ?
Buck - sometimes it's hard to see if it's been "washed" as Jon has mentioned, not like the stuff from the 30's that peels. Usually has a light blue modeled tint to the appearance under direct sunlight (in several places - like the bottom, or behind a handle where its protected from handling.
> ------------------------------
> As far as D.L. "Concho" Smith, I believe he was raised in southern CA - but moved around the country - military brat...........
Several location in CA, what do you mean "brat" ?????
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:59:12 -0700
From: Baird.Rick@orbital-lsg.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Ph # for North Star
Nevermind, my decrepit old eyes see it here now. Thanks in reverse.
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Date: 2 Aug 1999 13:55:46 -0700
From: "Powderhawk" <powderhawk@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please forgive me.
> Please forgive the number of e-mail's I was responsible for on Sunday, ......
> Even Miss Laura has questioned who I am, why my .....
SHE REALLY DOESN'T WANT TO KNOW
> thanks for getting me this e-mail Buck and I'm glad I told them about you .......
YOU OL HOSS YOU HAVE BLAMED EVERYONE FOR YOUR DOIN'S
> "One who favors the finer things in life"
SOME OF THE LADIES WHERE JUST THAT, BUT NOW DO WHAT WE KNOW YOU CAN DO - LET'S TALK HISTORY D.L. - THAT'S WHAT THIS LIST IS ALL ABOUT.
YOU SAID YOUR SORRY, LET IT LAY AND NOBODY GET HIM STARTED AGAIN.
HAWK
Keep your powder dry
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Date: 2 Aug 1999 18:14:05 -0700
From: concho@uswestmail.net
Subject: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America.
> On Mon, 02 August 1999, "Powderhawk" wrote:
> > Please forgive the number of e-mail's I was responsible for on Sunday, ......
>
> > Even Miss Laura has questioned who I am, why my .....
> SHE REALLY DOESN'T WANT TO KNOW
>
> > thanks for getting me this e-mail Buck and I'm glad I told them about you .......
> YOU OL HOSS YOU HAVE BLAMED EVERYONE FOR YOUR DOIN'S
>
> > "One who favors the finer things in life"
> SOME OF THE LADIES WHERE JUST THAT, BUT NOW DO WHAT WE KNOW YOU CAN DO - LET'S TALK HISTORY D.L. - THAT'S WHAT THIS LIST IS ALL ABOUT.
>
> YOU SAID YOUR SORRY, LET IT LAY AND NOBODY GET HIM STARTED AGAIN.
>
> HAWK
- ------------------------------------------
Leave the ladies out of it, for once in your life settle down and be cool, Hawk.
Yes, I have had some times, and plan on many more once employed. Looking for a brainless type of job for a change, no pressure this time.
Hey Hawk, these guys have a good discussion on salt going, like how Dave K. writes and researches, and the others also - sorry don't have your names in front of me, but this is a good group that really pull together on a subject, that's great.
Hey what about the types of spices available, we got a good start on salt, come on Buck - stop filling orders and get in here with us SPICES AVAILABLE in North America. What do you guys think, we could get Buck to build us a shopping list, he don't need much sleep the honey moon is over brother.
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:32:20 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
Kegs, blankets, bags. Well yeah. DUH !
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
>On the Swan River (W. Manitoba), there was a salt spring whose waters NW
Co.
>voyageurs boiled to make salt. "It is not so strong, as that wich comes
from
>Canada, but it preserves Meat &c. well." 1804, IIRC (Harmon, 34)
>Salt was also made by boiling water from "the saline Brooks of the Red
>River". (Thompson, _Narrative_, 151)
>As Ron <cstmzd@ida.net> pointed out, salt was shipped in kegs. (Why carry
>it in open wooden pails when a cooper can make a keg with only a little
more
>effort?) Some folks may recall that I said I was pretty sure that "York
Boat
>Bill of Lading" was actually for a North West Company Montreal Canoe. Well,
>have a look at www.civilization.ca/membrs/canhist/canoe/can07eng.htm (the
>Canadian Museum of Civilization's website) for a Montreal Canoe bill of
>lading to compare for yourselves. It's part of a great new virtual exhibit
>on the history of canoes; well worth checking out!
>Finally, some people _did_ manage to get by without salt. Midshipman Hood
>was wintering at the HBC's Cumberland House in 1819 when he wrote "The
>Indians do not use salt, and the Europeans indulge a little indolence at
the
>expence of living without it; for though it is found in many parts of the
>country, in springs and on the earth, they eat fish the whole year
>improvided with it..." (Hood, 47) In other words, making salt for their
food
>wasn't worth the effort!
>
>Your humble & obedient servant,
>Angela Gottfred
>agottfre@telusplanet.net
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:32:30 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ferris on Salt
Allen,
Thanks for the info. Looks like my ignorance is showing. I have
Russell's and Leonard's journals puchased but have not picked them up yet.
I'm looking forward to reading them.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 9:32 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Ferris on Salt
>Hello the list,
>
>Interesting discussion on salt. In Life in the Rocky Mountains, Ferris
wrote:
>
>Page 128 "At the mouth of Beaver Creek the mountains retire apart leaving
a
>beautiful valley fifteen miles long, and six to eight broad, watered by
>several small streams which unite and form "Salt River", so called from the
>quantity of salt, in a crystalized form, found upon most of it's
branches.."
>
>On page 266 he continues to talk about the same area; "The salt found in
the
>country is, however, more commonly found attached to stones, in the bottoms
>of dried up pools, like ice, and requires a hard blow, in most cases, to
>separate them. Breaking from the strata as much salt as we coud
>conveniently carry, we collected the fragments and put them into bags,
which
>we lashed to our saddles, and sallied out into the prairie on our return to
>camp."
>
>Yet more on page 346. "We passed three miles down the river, and found the
>salt in a slough on the west side of it. It was found on the surface of a
>black stinking mire, fifty or sixty paces in circuit; the upper stata was
>fine, and white as snow, to the depth of two inches; beneath which, was a
>layer of beautiful crystals, to the depth of five or six inches, that
rested
>on the surface of the mire. We slowly sank into the latter to our knees,
>whilst scooping up the salt, and then changed places, for we could scarcely
>extricate ourselves at the depth; and concluded that if we should remain
>long enough in the same spot, we would at length disappear entirely. This
>opinion was coroborated by thrusting down a stick four feet in length,
>without meeting any resistance, more than at the surface. I gathered about
>half a bushel in a few minutes, and returned with my companions, who were
>equally fortunate, to camp."
>
>Osborne Russell talked about Salt River area on page 12; "On the 10th of
May
>we moved down the river about 12 miles to a stream running into it on the
>west side called Scotts Fork. Here are some fine Salt Springs the Salt
>forms on the pebbles by evaporation to the depth of 5 or 6 inches in a
short
>time after the snow has disappeared 11th May After gathering a Supply of
>Salt we traveled down the river 15 miles....."
>
>On page 96 Russell talks about returning to the salt springs to gather
salt.
>
>Charles Larpenteur on page 48 of his book said; " I had a partner, a
German,
>and we could together purchase a bladder (of pemmincan); but as to salt and
>pepper, which we had to buy-salt $1 a pint, pepper $2-we were not in
>partnership. each had his small sach containing pepper and salt mixed, and
>used it as he thought proper."
>
>With all this salt around, I wouldn't be inclined to think that too much of
>it was hauled all the way out to rendezvous from St. Louis.
>
>Allen Hall #1729 from Fort Hall country
>
>
>
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Date: 2 Aug 1999 18:36:16 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America.
> Hey what about the types of spices available, we got a good start on salt, come on Buck - stop filling orders and get in here with us SPICES AVAILABLE in North America. What do you guys think, we could get Buck to build us a shopping list, he don't need much sleep the honey moon is over brother.
> "Concho"
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Just copied this from Clark & Sons Mercantile web site, Buck won't mind - he always says he would rather see us use correct items and not junk foods.
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Herbs
These herbs are used as medicine, seasonings or just for decoration, all have been dated earlier than 1800.
Agronomy/American Pennyroyal: Listed in history as an American
Indian herb, used for insect repellent.
Basil/Brunet: A well known pair of herbs, known to provide a
aromatic relief for the nose.
Butterfly Weed: Same as above.
Caraway: Has some medical uses, licorice taste used on rye bread
by early colonists.
Chives: A flavoring for soups, breads, salads, etc. by native
Americans and colonists.
Coriander, Dill: Flavoring or seasoning.
Garlic Chives: Member of the onion family, used for seasoning
in soups and salads.
Horehound: Used in teas, candy for sore throat problems.
Sweet Cicely: Licorice flavor used in cooking for seasoning.
Sweet Marjoram: Old medical herb, used for colds in soup and stews.
lunaria, thin-leafed coneflower, these are all decoration plants
and not to be used internally by all means.
LEGEND
Approximate documented and dated items grown or traded in North
America, we have found somethingÆs earlier than listed, but
not that common for the working class or local trade.
Pa. German - before 1750 *
Before 1800 - trade item **
Northeast - before 1820 @
Southwest - before 1830 #
Herbs & Spices
Basil *
Bay leaves *
Cayenne pepper *
Cinnamon sticks *
Cloves-whole *
Garlic-granules *
Nutmeg-whole *
Pepper-crushed red *
Rose hips-seedless *
Ginger root-dried *
Mustard seed-whole *
Remember the local natives had many more not listed, but hard to document as there are few records, just passed down word of mouth, generation to generation.
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We got a pretty good start on our shopping list with out to much effort, thanks to Buck.
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