I didn't shave for the best part of 30 years but last year I whacked it =
all off except for my moustaches. Never say never.....like I used to. =
Shaving made me look a little younger, but I still get called "sir" by =
grown women and get asked about Senior Citizen Discounts by resturant =
cashiers. Waugh!!
Lanney
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Powderhawk <powderhawk@uswestmail.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 2:53 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Hey List
> I'm afraid Turtle is right Concho, your back a few days and got all =
these guys taking cheap shots at each other (I know it's only because =
they're bored).
>=20
> Dave, Buck and Larry are the only ones that have given a straight =
answer that I can use, liked Lanney's information - don't shave like =
Dennis.
>=20
> But Concho and Turtle, what can be said about you two, other than the =
last time we where in a camp together (about 8 years ago) I know it was =
one of you that loaded the camp pot with Exlax and I will get way past =
even one day.=20
>=20
>=20
> Keep your powder dry
> Powderhawk
> Historian-Reenacter-Writer
> Lake Mills, IA
> Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account =
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:12:03 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should =
know this.
Lanney
- ----- Original Message -----
> Yeah, I'm impressed ! Is this guy a fellow Texican ? If he ain't he =
ought
> to be.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>=20
>=20
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:23:45 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Oh no ! I'm sorry ! I guess I offended him.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ratcliff <rat@htcomp.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should know
this.
Lanney
- ----- Original Message -----
> Yeah, I'm impressed ! Is this guy a fellow Texican ? If he ain't he
ought
> to be.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:18:16 -0700
From: "Concho" <concho@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List
>
> But Concho and Turtle, what can be said about you two, other than the last time we where in a camp together (about 8 years ago) I know it was one of you that loaded the camp pot with Exlax and I will get way past even one day.
>
>
Hawk,
If you remember you where on that grapefruit diet and then you guys made the camp stew, that would have wrecked all the grapefruit you ate.
So we where just thinking of you, didn't know you invited the whole damn camp for dinner.
Be happy there was a fast running stream that everyone could clean up in the next morning. Wow, what a mess !!! Couldn't stop laughing for several days.
D. L. Smith
Washington, MO.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:23:07 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
On Sun, 01 August 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote:
>
> Larry, if he were a Texican he would have said so by now.... you should know this.
> Lanney
> > Yeah, I'm impressed ! Is this guy a fellow Texican ? If he ain't he ought
> > to be.
> > Larry
He isn't from any state, none of the lower 48 will lay claim to this one boys, I feel kind of sick that I know him and the trouble he has gotten me into over the years.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:25:29 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List
On Sun, 01 August 1999, "Ratcliff" wrote:
>
> Powderhawk
> I didn't shave for the best part of 30 years but last year I whacked it all off except for my moustaches. Never say never.....like I used to. Shaving made me look a little younger, but I still get called "sir" by grown women and get asked about Senior Citizen Discounts by resturant cashiers. Waugh!!
> Lanney
He shave once, but ended up in jail for walking around backwards bent over with his drawers down - think he believed Concho !
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 16:24:27 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
>
> >WHY, THANK YOU DENNIS.
>
> D. L. Smith
> Washington, MO.
>>Don't mention it, Sir... You can trust me for a straight, honest answer
each & every time.. Unlike allot of the rabble that inhabit this list.
D
- --
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Period Knives & Iron Accoutrements
http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:32:08 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Storing Salt
Wooden buckets. Ok, but is that a logical way for the men in the mountains
on horseback to carry it ? Would they have taken the time to make new
buckets when their's broke or wore out ? What about leather bags ? I know
leather deteriates pretty quick in the presence of salt. What about it ?
Pendleton
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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 1956 01:02:23 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
4:00 p.m. EST
This "list" looks like a chat room today. What's the matter trappers?
Too hot for a campfire? It certainly is here in Georgia!
Laura
Lost Texas Girl
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:40:26 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Yes ma'am it is a might tepid today.
Pendleton
- -----Original Message-----
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
>4:00 p.m. EST
>
>This "list" looks like a chat room today. What's the matter trappers?
>Too hot for a campfire? It certainly is here in Georgia!
>
>Laura
>Lost Texas Girl
>
>
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:35:40 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hey List
> > But Concho and Turtle, what can be said about you two, other than the last time we where in a camp together (about 8 years ago) I know it was one of you that loaded the camp pot with Exlax and I will get way past even one day.
> >
> >
> Hawk,
> If you remember you where on that grapefruit diet and then you guys made the camp stew, that would have wrecked all the grapefruit you ate.
>
> So we where just thinking of you, didn't know you invited the whole damn camp for dinner.
>
________________________________
Pwdhwk,
It was an accident, we where just looking at that boxes of chocolate, or we though it was chocolate, and Buck pushed me and - well the rest is history.
God what a mess, all the port-johns where full and the lines where unbelieveable.
Sorry, it was a mistake and Concho tried to get the four boxes out. If you want to get even, he was really laughting all the way home.
Your close friend and brother.
Turtle.
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:37:36 EDT
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
small tin tins with a bit of beeswax around the outer edge works real fine.
also, a short horn with a divider put up the center before its plugged, and
dowels (or piano tuning keys) to plug the holes at the top has kept salt AND
pepper in the same container (VERY CONVENIENT) perfectly dry while sitting
out on the table in storms. IIRC, wax or pitch lined kegs were used to
transport large quantities of salt in times gone bye. Barn
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:51:39 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Maybe this will answer your question: I have a laboratory themometer =
with a 550 f maximum reading attached to the top of the visor in my =
pickup and it reads 150....in the shade, not in direct sunlight. The =
outside temp is about 105 and the wind is coming straight down. Wish I =
were in Wyoming right now.
Lanney
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Laura Rugel Glise <lglise@bellsouth.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 1956 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> 4:00 p.m. EST
>=20
> This "list" looks like a chat room today. What's the matter trappers? =
> Too hot for a campfire? It certainly is here in Georgia!
>=20
> Laura
> Lost Texas Girl
>=20
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:54:51 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
> This "list" looks like a chat room today. What's the matter trappers?
> Too hot for a campfire? It certainly is here in Georgia!
>
Laura,
I think who ever said "Concho" should have never been left on this list is pretty close to correct, that goes for most encampments - also, and if "Turtle" is with him - just call the police and have their butts locked up before they do some off the wall deal like what was mentioned earlier. they're damn lucky that one went away without any further problems. That whole deal is a story in it's self.
As for the salt and carrying it any distance: I agree the wood buckets or iron pots would work for processing it. But for moving any distance, probably like anything else, wrapped in cloth or blanket material - then some kinds of water proof covering like greased leather or rawhide, just a guess - anyone have any documentations after being processed and "caked". I wonder how it would be stored after reaching a large camp or settlement for a long period of time - their conditions where not the best for such items.
This is a subject that you can find bits and pieces, and not a clear picture of the complete operation.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 13:57:35 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
On Sun, 01 August 1999, RR1LA@aol.com wrote:
>
> small tin tins with a bit of beeswax around the outer edge works real fine.
> also, a short horn with a divider put up the center before its plugged, and
> dowels (or piano tuning keys) to plug the holes at the top has kept salt AND
> pepper in the same container (VERY CONVENIENT) perfectly dry while sitting
> out on the table in storms. IIRC, wax or pitch lined kegs were used to
> transport large quantities of salt in times gone bye. Barn
problem is if left in a damp area for a period of time the salt get's hard and can't be removed from the horn.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
_____________________________________
Get a subscription to a journal of the fur trade
and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
The subscription for the journal is $20 for a
year or $35 for two years. You will receive
quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:11:02 -0700
From: JW Stephens <johns@primarycolor.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Sorry to hear that you got the too hots. It's beautifully comfortable
out here on the left coast. Has been for weeks. Just right for sitting
back in the evening and watching the sun set.
B'str'd
Laura Rugel Glise wrote: some
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:04:55 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: new e-mail address
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I have a new e-mail address effective asap. The addresss rat@htcomp.net =
will be invalid very soon.
Lanney Ratcliff
The new address is:
lratcliff@exprestel.net note: that is a lower case "L", not an =
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>>"If tough gun laws work - why does crime increase?"
>>"ACT to maintain your rights"
>>
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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:24:42 -0700
From: JW Stephens <johns@primarycolor.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
Do without? Don't think so. Hard to choke down that made meat without
it, it seems. Most of the first hand accounts seem to consider it right
up there with powder and ball, and a carrot of leaf. Lewis and Clark
went to a lot of trouble to replenish their supply, even dividing their
force with a two-man detachment for saltworks, which they generally
tried not to do. Since the usage of salt was pretty regular it was
usually bought in trade as making salt was not a profitable venture for
an on-the-move hunter.=20
B'st'rd
larry pendleton wrote:
> mountains to be traded or sold ? Or did they cook it themselves or jus=
t
> made do without it ? I don't know. Me thinks we need more info.
> Pendleton=D5
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:23:04 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new e-mail address
In a message dated 99-08-01 17:12:51 EDT, you write:
> I have a new e-mail address effective asap. The addresss rat@htcomp.net =
> will be invalid very soon.
> Lanney Ratcliff
Lanney,
Looks like you have a new computer and email software too.
You need to go in and configure it to turn off this flamin' red background.
It can't be that much hotter out your way.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:29:49 -0400
From: Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Lanny wrote:
>Do you have the photo of the razor I bought from you posted to your web
>site? If not I will post it to you, or anyone else, as a jpg image.
I've posted a photo of an early razor at:
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/Pictures/razor.jpg
This is the personal razor of Isaac Shelby. Shelby was a participant in the
American Revolution, especially at Kings Mountain, was then the first
Governor of Kentucky, also the fifth governor and active in the War of
1812. Don't know the exact date of the razor, but 1775-1815 is a reasonable
estimate.
Bob
Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
Louisville, KY
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:31:30 EDT
From: Casapy123@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hard Tack, Pilot Bread
To All that asked:
I don't have a scanner but will gladly mail a copy to anyone who sends an
address. Can also fax a copy if number is provided. The article is from
Mother Earth News, Vol. 21, page 72-73. And I was way off on the number of
recipes I remembered. There are only 7. (sorry about that, hadn't looked at
it in a long time)
I apologize for taking so long to get back with the info. My son got
married yesterday and I've been a wee bit preoccupied.
Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. box 1228
Quincy, Ca 95971
(530)283-4566 (H)
(530)283-3330 (W)
(530)283-5171 FAX
Casapy123@aol.com.
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:16:52 EDT
From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Hello List
Howdy D. L. Smith from Washington Mo. Longshot here from just up the road in
St. Louis. You make the rondy circuit around these parts? If so what's yer
camp name so i might recognise ye.
Longshot
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:17:16 -0700
From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hard Tack, Pilot Bread
Jimmy,
Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John
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From: <Casapy123@aol.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hard Tack, Pilot Bread
> To All that asked:
>
> I don't have a scanner but will gladly mail a copy to anyone who sends an
> address. Can also fax a copy if number is provided. The article is from
> Mother Earth News, Vol. 21, page 72-73. And I was way off on the number
of
> recipes I remembered. There are only 7. (sorry about that, hadn't looked
at
> it in a long time)
>
> I apologize for taking so long to get back with the info. My son got
> married yesterday and I've been a wee bit preoccupied.
>
> Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
> P.O. box 1228
> Quincy, Ca 95971
> (530)283-4566 (H)
> (530)283-3330 (W)
> (530)283-5171 FAX
> Casapy123@aol.com.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:45:47 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: More On Illinois Salines
I just did a little web search on the Vermilion Salines which I mentioned
earlier. There is an historical marker there with this info on it.
Salt Kettle
At the Salt Kettle Rest Area off I-74 East
Monument recognizes the Salines of the Vermilion, Vermilion County's first
industry, referred to in French records as early as 1706.
This definitely bears digging into now. I hadn't recalled the documentation
of the site as reaching back that far. That makes it almost certain that
salt from here was transported down the Wabash (Ouibache) to Ft. Ouitenon and
some of the other early French outposts along that river.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:08:39 EDT
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
alright DL. one post and you got half the list out from under their rocks...
way to go. Barney Fife
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:32:20 +1200
From: "The Brooks" <ghbphoto@voyager.co.nz>
Subject: MtMan-List: salt
I live just a few miles from a salt works.Solar style. Salt is evaporated
from sea water in ponds. I can get salt in crystal form and that is how it
comes ..in lumps from 1 to 7 inch thick. Salt as we know it has been
ground.It can be crushed between stones on the trail .I have tried the back
of a hawk but it leaves a metal taste. The best way is to carry a small lump
of rock salt and a piece of old file. Just rub the rock salt over the file
over the meal. Salt drops where you want it. Somehow the metal taste isn't
transferred from the file.Wash file after use when you rinse utensils.DON"T
use soap on it.You only do that once.....
Kia Ora
Big Bear
In cool ..so cool sunny Marlborough New Zealand.
>> Back to the original question, if they did cook salt, how did they carry
>> large amounts of it and keep it semi-dry and usable ?
>in Kent or Virgina, showed a couple of men each carrying
>>wooden buckets on a yoke, I guess they had salt ?
>
>I think Buck answered it "WOODEN BUCKETS" and it would be "CAKED" - not
sure how you would go about doing this operation, unless just adding
moisture to the top layer with water ?
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:46:11 +1200
From: "The Brooks" <ghbphoto@voyager.co.nz>
Subject: MtMan-List: salt
>
>As for the salt and carrying it any distance: I agree the wood buckets or
iron pots would work for processing it. But for moving any distance,
probably like anything else, wrapped in cloth or blanket material - then
some kinds of water proof covering like greased leather or rawhide, just a
guess - anyone have any documentations after being processed and "caked". I
wonder how it would be stored after reaching a large camp or settlement for
a long period of time - their conditions where not the best for such items.
Buck,
In NZ up until about 30years ago ,until the advent of plastic containers
salt was shipped around the country in wooden kegs like wine barrels or
powder kegs. They were about 18 inch in Diameter and about 2 foot high. I
have one here I use as a rubbish bin in the office. The wooden lids were
nailed on. Sugar, flour etc were all shipped the same way. When it got to
the trader it was weighed out as required. We used to bust them up for
kindling wood. Wish I had kept some. If salt gets wet no harm comes to it.
It can be still used..unlike flour. If salt gets dirty it can be washed in a
very salty brine solution and dried and powdered or ground.Thats what used
to happen here for what it is worth
Kia Ora
Big Bear
In still cool Overcast Marlborough New Zealand.
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:53:36 +1200
From: "The Brooks" <ghbphoto@voyager.co.nz>
Subject: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
Re salt going hard in horns. Try putting some rice in the horn with the
salt. The Rice is supposed to soak up any moisture that gets in. Have never
tried it so can't speak from experience.Try it and see what happens
Kia Ora
Big Bear
In cool overcast Marlborough New Zealand.
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Date: 1 Aug 1999 18:57:52 -0700
From: "Buck" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
> On Mon, 02 August 1999, "The Brooks" wrote:
> Re salt going hard in horns. Try putting some rice in the
> horn with the salt. The Rice is supposed to soak up any
> moisture that gets in. Have never tried it so can't speak
> from experience.Try it and see what happens
> Kia Ora
> Big Bear
> In cool overcast Marlborough New Zealand.
Had done this for years, using a little white rice and pepper and salt mix, worked very nicely as long as it was kept fairly dry - could handle a little moisture. But you have to check it because the rice will swell and slow down - or stop the flow of the salt from exiting the hole.
That's when we started using a small tin container (tinned inside) with a greased leather bag, if it get moisture it's no big deal as it can be broken up from it's "caked" state and still used.
There's probably a dozen different ways to carry small amounts, each a little different - depending on the area and the situtations you become involved with water, in the form of moisture to a complete dunking.
I would think the early natives that grew gourds had a good container and as a last resort could dig the salt out with a stick if the mouth of the gourd was large enough.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
AMM Jim Baker Party / Colorado Territory
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:11:16 -0600
From: "Ron" <cstmzd@ida.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
From Deans page Journal of a Trapper:
"Here are some fine Salt Springs the Salt forms on the pebbles by
evaporation to the depth of 5 or 6 inch in a short time after the snow has
dissappeared 11th May After gathering a Supply of Salt we travelled down the
river about 15 miles and encamped near the mouth of a stream on the west
side called Gardners Fork. "
As to containers it doesn't say, but they obviousily gathered their own from
salt springs (mentioned several times in the journal).
York Boat Bill of lading 1803
"Kegs or Casks of Salt"
Ron
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From: larry pendleton <yrrw@airmail.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Storing salt and spices
>Buck,
> Your right, I seem to remember an artist's rendition of someone cooking
>salt, possibly in Utah. I also read that Lewis and Clark carried a large
>quanity of salt and if memory serves me correctly, they cooked a large
>amount of salt on the west coast. I'm not sure this was a common practice
>with The Rocky Mountain Fur Trappers. Did the traders carry salt to the
>mountains to be traded or sold ? Or did they cook it themselves or just
>made do without it ? I don't know. Me thinks we need more info.
