I was just checking out the page that Angela posted (about canoes and the
bill of lading), really enjoyed the paintings of the canoe shooting the
rapids....
We tried that this weekend in our 30' dugout with seven paddlers.
Not recommended for the faint of heart.
We actually didna mean too, but got caught in the current on the wrong
side of an island on the Clearwater. I didna think much of it until our
steersman, in talking with the bowman, stated.... "Dave... were not gonna
make the good side". That kinda crystalized the situation to us poor
oarsman/grunts... particularly when I looked up from my labors to see the
rocks flip by.
Pretty amazing watching the banks flash by in a blur while sitting in a
hollowed out 800 lb log... and did you know that half submerged logs
"whistle" as the water roars through them?
Alls well that ends well however, and we managed to keep it sunny side up.
Regards
Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:59:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: MtMan-List: Bill of Lading
the canoe lists a "macaron of High Wines"
What, may I ask, is a macaron?
Regards
Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:22:03 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Bill of Lading
Good question. Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary does not define the word, =
nor is it used in any way in the dictionary.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
To: Mountain Man List <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 10:59 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Bill of Lading
> the canoe lists a "macaron of High Wines"
>=20
> What, may I ask, is a macaron?
>=20
> Regards
>=20
> Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
> NMLRA member 058863
> email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
> Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
> http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
>=20
>=20
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:43:47 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Need Wood
I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the planks. Anyone know a source???? Help.
Linda Holley
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:54:32 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
Unless I can sneak in, I have to stay home. You lucky duck to have the time to
go. I may go in on one weekend if I can get away from school. Call in sick or
so. I am getting very antsy here. The computer is going off and on and in the
shop every day or so, and I want to go camping in COLD weather. It is dang HOT
up here in Jax. Has to accidentally fall in my pond to get cool. The big koi
fish were not impressed. Boy can they nibble. So maybe I will get to Eastern
to say hello at the Mouse House, if not, see you at British Night Watch or the
Alafia.
Linda Holley
ad.miller@mindspring.com wrote:
> Great idea :) I'll be going to the NMLRA Eastern in Sept in West Va, so if
> any of you are there, look for thje sign "MOUSE HOUSE" and stop by. There
> is always something in the pot (not sure what kinda meat) and the coffee is
> always hot... Would love to meet some of you face to face...
>
> Addison and Vicki Miller
> Little Wolf and Mouse
>
> >Let discuss some fur trade, rendezvous or ones coming up.
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Date: 3 Aug 1999 10:56:32 -0700
From: "BucK" <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America.
On Mon, 02 August 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> > Hey what about the types of spices available, we got a good start on salt, come on Buck - stop filling orders and get in here with us SPICES AVAILABLE in North America. What do you guys think, we could get Buck to build us a shopping list, he don't need much sleep the honey moon is over brother.
> > "Concho"
> _____________________________________
> Just copied this from Clark & Sons Mercantile web site, Buck won't mind - he always says he would rather see us use correct items and not junk foods.
> _____________________________________
> Herbs
> These herbs are used as medicine, seasonings or just for decoration, all have been dated earlier than 1800.
>
> Agronomy/American Pennyroyal: Listed in history as an American
> Indian herb, used for insect repellent.
>
> Basil/Brunet: A well known pair of herbs, known to provide a
> aromatic relief for the nose.
>
> Butterfly Weed: Same as above.
>
> Caraway: Has some medical uses, licorice taste used on rye bread
> by early colonists.
>
> Chives: A flavoring for soups, breads, salads, etc. by native
> Americans and colonists.
>
> Coriander, Dill: Flavoring or seasoning.
>
> Garlic Chives: Member of the onion family, used for seasoning
> in soups and salads.
>
> Horehound: Used in teas, candy for sore throat problems.
>
> Sweet Cicely: Licorice flavor used in cooking for seasoning.
>
> Sweet Marjoram: Old medical herb, used for colds in soup and stews.
> lunaria, thin-leafed coneflower, these are all decoration plants
> and not to be used internally by all means.
>
> LEGEND
> Approximate documented and dated items grown or traded in North
> America, we have found something?s earlier than listed, but
> not that common for the working class or local trade.
>
> Pa. German - before 1750 *
> Before 1800 - trade item **
> Northeast - before 1820 @
> Southwest - before 1830 #
>
> Herbs & Spices
> Basil *
> Bay leaves *
> Cayenne pepper *
> Cinnamon sticks *
> Cloves-whole *
> Garlic-granules *
> Nutmeg-whole *
> Pepper-crushed red *
> Rose hips-seedless *
> Ginger root-dried *
> Mustard seed-whole *
>
> Remember the local natives had many more not listed, but hard to document as there are few records, just passed down word of mouth, generation to generation.
> _____________________________________
Tonight I will look in "Jefferson's Garden Book" this a great source book on cultivated edibles from his time to now. I use this book over and over again, it's amazing how many different vegetables, seeds and fruits he collected from around the world in his travels as a leader or advisor for this country in his life time. We would be very limited if it wasn't for TJ and his interest of cultivated and foraged edibles, the arts, books, etc., probably the father of research for the United States.
He sold his first collection of books, around 7000 titles to the US Congress (now the Library of Congress Collection) after the British burned the original library. If your looking for various items that pretain to our history, a search on Jefferson will surprise you much of the time, as he will probably had his hand in one part or the other in the area your looking at.
If your building a shopping list like one of you mentioned, I'll give you a fair listing of edibles that covers, vegetables, fruits, etc. - if enough want such a list. I would rather see you use correct items than not junk foods.
Later,
Buck Conner
dba / Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
_____________________________________
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and early history of the times, the one the
American Mountain Men read and write:
The Tomahawk & Long Rifle * 3483 Squires *
Conklin, MI 49403
ATTN: Jon Link
The subscription for T&LR is $20 for a year
or $35 for two years. You will receive
quarterly issues - Feb, May, Aug, Nov,.
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:01:32 -0400
From: ad.miller@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello List
HEY LINDA!!!! {{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}} Good to hear from you again dear :)
We are pulling out of here on 20 Sept heading to the Eastern. MY daughter
and son-in-law were at the last Alafia with us and got bit BAD by the
Ronnyvous bug. They are going with us too... Ya know you always got a spot
by the fire at the Mouse House and whatever is in the pot yer welcome to....
heh... just don't ask what it is... ya may not want to know. I promise if
its road kill, it was fairly fresh... honest... *grins*
Look forward to seein you there and at British Night Watch and the
Alafia.... RONNY TIME!!!!!!!
Tex and Mouse
So maybe I will get to Eastern
>to say hello at the Mouse House, if not, see you at British Night Watch or
the
>Alafia.
>
>Linda Holley
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:31:41 -0400
From: Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America.
>> > Hey what about the types of spices available,
Mark Baker provides an excellent reference to such things in his book,
"Sons of a Trackless Forest". There are many invoices or orders in the
records of Baynton, Wharton and Morgan, doing business in Kaskaskia, Ill.,
in 1767-70.
Bob
Bob Spencer <bspen@aye.net>
Louisville, KY
http://members.aye.net/~bspen/index.html
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:18:48 -0700
From: "Rob Voyles" <whitesmoke@hotbot.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood
- --
On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:43:47 Linda Holley wrote:
>I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the planks. Anyone know a source???? Help.
>
>Linda Holley
>
>
>
>
Linda,
I don't know how cost effective this will be, but many primitive archery supply houses carry for it in raw stave form for making bows out of. You could use that as a source if need be.
Rob Voyles (CA)
HotBot - Search smarter.
http://www.hotbot.com
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:42:08 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood
>I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the planks.
>Anyone know a source???? Help
Linda,
Don't remember where you live, or if it grows there. Back here in Illinois
it grows wild along the fencerows between farm fields. Any source for it
would have to be hand cut and hand sawn. It's tolerable nasty stuff to work
with and exceeds hickory in its hardness and resiliency. It is full of resin
and eats saw blades, and the dust from it has toxic characteristics if
inhaled. I have some small pieces, but not any planks. They would probably
have to be custom cut by a bandsaw mill.
How many do you need and what are the dimensions? Also, could you modify the
pattern to substitute some of the wood for another kind, thus cutting back on
the quantity required. I may or may not be able to help you depending on the
size and quantity.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:26:20 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood
Dimensioned osage stock is available from suppliers like MacBeath Hardwoo=
d in
SLC. I don't recommend its use. Sawn lumber doesn't follow the grain.
For Linda's project the wood should be rived (split with the grain) and
scraped
to final dimension (broken glass works well for a scraper). What she nee=
ds is
a section without knots (sometimes difficult to find with hedge apple). =
A
froe
would be best for riving though the work could be done with wedges and gl=
uts.=20
Knotty wood can be split just not easily.
It used to be grown as thorny fence rows throughout the mid-west and sout=
h.=20
The largest remaining stands I am aware of are in Texas. In Misery most =
of it
has been cut and burned. Burns well in a closed stove lousy in an open f=
ire
due to extreme popping with hot embers landing where you don't need them.
If someone is replacing an ancient fence often the never rotting posts ar=
e
well
seasoned bow d'arc and excellent for bows, cradle boards, striking tool
handles
and such. It's easy to identify they are usually black from the weather =
and
weigh about 50 lbs. each. The wood will still be a nice orange color ins=
ide.
John...
At 06:42 PM 8/3/99 -0400, you wrote:
>>I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the plan=
ks.=A0=20
>>Anyone know a source????=A0=A0 Help
>
>Linda,
>Don't remember where you live, or if it grows there.=A0 Back here in Ill=
inois=20
>it grows wild along the fencerows between farm fields.=A0 Any source for=
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>would have to be hand cut and hand sawn.=A0 It's tolerable nasty stuff t=
o work=20
>with and exceeds hickory in its hardness and resiliency.=A0 It is full o=
f
resin=20
>and eats saw blades, and the dust from it has toxic characteristics if=20
>inhaled.=A0 I have some small pieces, but not any planks.=A0 They would =
probably=20
>have to be custom cut by a bandsaw mill.
>
>How many do you need and what are the dimensions?=A0 Also, could you mod=
ify
the=20
>pattern to substitute some of the wood for another kind, thus cutting ba=
ck
on=20
>the quantity required.=A0 I may or may not be able to help you depending=
on
the=20
>size and quantity.
>
>Dave Kanger
>=20
John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0
Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<<
<http://www.kramerize.com/>
mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com>=20
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Date: 3 Aug 1999 16:49:52 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America.
On Tue, 03 August 1999, Bob Spencer wrote:
>
> >> > Hey what about the types of spices available,
>
> Mark Baker provides an excellent reference to such things in his book,
> "Sons of a Trackless Forest". There are many invoices or orders in the
> records of Baynton, Wharton and Morgan, doing business in Kaskaskia, Ill.,
> in 1767-70.
>
> Bob
Haven't heard from Buck yet on this, but I know that Clark & Sons Mercantile furnished Mark Baker and Wes Houser with all their edibles, sweets, etc. for their last tapes they put out. I saw Mark had given C&SM credit in several of his articles for their research on same items over the last 3-4 years.
They are the biggest and Goose Bay Workshops is starting to grow in the same direction behind Buck, Peter of GBW said that the two of them have been working together on cookwares and edibles for the last couple of years now. That's all they are looking at - in camp items, or edibles, cultivated and foraged.
This is great for us that someone will take the time to work on these areas. Bill Gorbey that writes for "On The Trail", John Curry "Smoke & Fire", Brook Elliott "Smoke & Fire" and Mark Baker "Muzzleloader" also work with Buck in researching edibles, field testing new items and as seen in their columns in those journals covering foods and drinks, along with trekking.
This sure gives us a good source, with foods, etc., plus articles, tapes and such from good documentation. We all need to thank these people for adding to our needs from time to time. Thanks Clark & Sons, Goose Bay,(suppliers) Mark Baker, John Curry, Bill Gorbey and Brook Elliott (articles and columns) for the support.
See you down the trail.
Turtle.
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:06:45 -0500
From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Need Wood
- -----Original Message-----
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:37 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Need Wood
>>I am doing a Kiowa cradle board and need Osage orange wood for the planks.
Anyone know a source???? Help.
Linda Holley<<
Linda,
Here are some sources. Hope you find what you are looking for.
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SPICES available in North America.
On Tue, 03 August 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
> This sure gives us a good source, with foods, etc., plus articles, tapes and such from good documentation. We all need to thank these people for adding to our needs from time to time. Thanks Clark & Sons, Goose Bay,(suppliers) Mark Baker, John Curry, Bill Gorbey and Brook Elliott (articles and columns) for the support.
>
> See you down the trail.
> Turtle.
- ------------------------------------------
Turtle are you getting a cut from C&S, only kidding. Mark told me a while back at one of the eastern events he was getting his supplies and field testing some stuff for C&S, so was John Curry. Mark also mentioned that the foods in the last video #4 Buck furnished, and in the credits of Wes and Jeff's second video it shows Clark & Sons Mercantile as their food source.
The old buck is getting around, bad back and all, folks that's really nice of these guys mentioned for the service they're providing to us the re-enacters, sure saves us time doing research, when all we have to do is pickup a magazine these guys write in.
Turtle like you said, "thanks a bunch for your efforts guys".
___________________________________
Take care, folks
D.L."Concho"Smith + Washington, MO. +
"One who favors the finer things in life"
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:32:05 EDT
From: Casapy123@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: felting
Joe,
Felting has been arond for centuries. Chaucer refers to the "Flemish beaver
hat" as early as 1386. Tradition has it that St. Clement, fourth Bishop of
Rome, invented felt by putting woold between his feet and sandals for added
comfort. The combined force of warmth and moisture (read sweat) coupled with
the pressure of his body weight as he walked transfomred the wool into a new
material.
There's an article in the January 1999 issue of MuzzleBlasts, the NMLRA
magazine, called "From Pelt to Felt" which I humbly direct you to for more
info and references. If you don't have access to that issue, I'd be happy to
mail or fax a copy of the article.
Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA 95971
(530)283-456 (H)
(530)283-3330 (W)
(530)283-5171 FAX
Casapy123@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 22:07:16 -0700
From: Huber <huberfam@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: White Women in the West (was: Women at Rendezvous)
Angela, You are a God-send to this site. Heavy on the information and
light on the chat. We could all well to stand by your example.
