Thank you for the kind remarks, "it did shine" and we will remember it for the rest of our lives, the best part was everyone we met was positive - not a negative person, different than what we all see on the "news" - all negative carp.
Turtle mentioned "Canoe" magazine, we picked up a reporter from that publication in his fancy modern canoe clothes, made him put on what we had on - breeches, clouts and leggings, etc. Only let him take his small camera and note pad, he wanted his energy and junk food - but left them in his car. After a 150 miles with us he wasn't sure who's gear was better and wrote that in his article - that's cool.
> Unfortunately I never had any company except for my dog, until I met my wife that
> is (she is one in a million, even though she don't like fast water. My dog didn't either
> for that matter.)
A couple of people makes life much easier in many cases, that's great your lady goes along.
> 3) I am researching a book that deals with the routes the native Americans
> have been using to transport goods since approx. 3000 B.C.
> Ironically, since many of the fur trade routes are the same routes native
> americans used, I begin looking for these ancient prehistoric routes on the
> fur trade routes.
It will be interesting to read your findings on lost ancient routes, you may want to consider a GPS unit for locations, a metal detector for possible camp sites.
> reminds me of the fact that the voyageurs where normally quite short and
> subsequently had few back problems.
We all got them (backs) and like mentioned before, modern man can't handle like loads of our forefathers, we just flat got soft after a dozen or more decades.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 13:39:16 EDT
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Senate Bill S1006
Thank you for telling this computer ignorant trapper what a URL is. Don't
forget your state trappers assn. as well. Right now it is very hard to trap
legally if at all in Arizona and Colorado, and many other states regularly
stand at great risk of loosing their right to trap.
TrapRJoe
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:29:41 -0600
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <mxhbc@TTACS.TTU.EDU>
Subject: MtMan-List: Brown Bess and stuff
Hey hermanos y hermanas
What's the going rate for a new (repro) Brown Bess? I guessed $600-$700
(DGW quotes), depending on the maker. We're talking assembly line quality
here, not hand crafted. Just your garden variety repro Bess.
What about a Charleville (same question)?
I'm asking for a guy who might be considering using one in a Spanish
Colonial (1780-1790s) exhibit, related to my earlier query on Spanish
firearms. He wants to consider all options.
I'm not a pre-1800 shooter. What accoutrements go with a Bess or
Charleville, and what is the related cost for that as well?
Any consensus on whether Charlevilles were or could have been used on the
Spanish Borderlands frontier?
TIA,
HBC
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Date: 23 Jul 1999 15:49:44 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: The Filibuster Is * On *
Friends,
Our low life elected officals are at it again, sign up for this mail list and give them more responses than they could ever dream of on "Gun Control". Smith is standing up for us, let him know your pleased, and screw Lott into the ground with complaints.
Either we fight to keep what we got, or in a few years we sit around and cry about what we use to have, your choice !
Later
Buck Conner
Colorado Territory
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From: Gun Owners of America <goamail@gunowners.org>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 18:09:17 -0400
Senator Smith Throws Down the Gauntlet!
-- Stands up to Trent Lott by forcing filibuster on anti-gun crime
bill
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(Friday, July 23, 1999) -- Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-MS) has set
the Senate wheels in motion for a series of votes to stop Senator
Bob Smith's filibuster on the juvenile crime legislation. The first
vote has been set for Monday, July 26.
So far, Senator Smith (I-NH) has prevented any progress on the
anti-gun crime bill by promising to use the ancient art of
"filibuster." Yesterday, that promise became reality when Smith
objected to a motion by Sen. Lott to move the bill along.
This is truly a David v. Goliath stand-off. The Senate leadership,
led by the Majority Leader, is trying to roll Senator Smith and
bring his delaying tactics to an end.
Of course, Senator Lott must first clear at least six parliamentary
"hurdles" that have been erected by Senator Smith.
The key vote will occur on Wednesday or Thursday when the Senate
will determine whether the Gore/Lautenberg gun control crime bill
(S. 254) will move forward.
That vote will be on an effort to shut down debate on Sen. Smith's
filibuster-- known in Washington as "invoking cloture" on the
filibuster-- and will decide whether Sen. Lott can substitute the
virulently anti-gun crime bill (S. 254) in lieu of the crime bill
that was passed by the House.
Eventually, Senator Lott wants to send the crime legislation to a
House-Senate conference committee to iron out the differences
between the two bills. But that can only come after he's cleared
the Smith "hurdles"-- a process that should take several days. Lott
can clear each one of these hurdles with a 60-vote majority in the
Senate.
If that happens, President Clinton will be one step closer to
signing a crime bill that is replete with gun bans and gun owner
registration.
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To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anomalies
Buck wrote:
>>Thank you for the kind remarks, "it did shine" and we will remember it for
the rest of our lives<<
Thats what it's aaall about, in my opinion. In the end the good memories (or
bad for some) is mostly all a person has.
>>A couple of people makes life much easier in many cases, that's great your
lady goes along.<<
Amen
>>, you may want to consider a GPS unit for locations, a metal detector for
possible camp sites.<<
I don't use the GPS for the routes, however I do use it to find my way back
to locations where these prehistoric americans had mined for copper. These
can be way off the beaten path. BTW, the procurement and transportation of
copper is what these routes were primarily used for at one time I believe.
The use of copper for tools and ornamentation in WI and the U.P. of Michigan
may be the oldest use of metals by people anywhere in the world.
I have some rather sophisticated equipment for locating sites and features.
I work with many professional archeologists from this region.
I would like to learn more about your 1200 mile river trip. Would that be
possible,and where could I find that article from 'Canoe' magazine? Any
idea?
Thanks,
Tony Clark
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Date: 24 Jul 1999 13:42:18 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Anomalies
> On Sat, 24 July 1999, "northwoods" wrote:
> Thats what it's all about, in my opinion. In the end the good
> memories (or bad for some) is mostly all a person has.
Isn't that the truth; my Dad use to tell me "you come into this world - bald, no teeth and messing your drawer's, when you leave your in about the same condition." I'd kind of like to keep my teeth, still like to eat.
> I don't use the GPS for the routes, however I do use it to find my
> way back to locations where these prehistoric americans had mined
> for copper. These..........
> The use of copper for tools and ornamentation in WI and the U.P.
> of Michigan may be the oldest use of metals by people anywhere in the world..........
I find this very interesting findings, such places as these mined areas and what they hold.
> I would like to learn more about your 1200 mile river trip. Would
> that be possible,and where could I find that article from 'Canoe'
> magazine? Any idea?
As for "Canoe" magazine it been out of print according to the gal I talked to at there office, she said that article made that issue one of there best sellers. I can make a copy if anyone ones to read it, send a self address-stamped, legal size envelope to my business address and I'll send you a copy of that article on that trip published in Canoe magazine.
Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
P.O.Box 28168,
13111 W. Alameda Pkwy #16,
Lakewood, CO 80228
I have a journal of this 1260 mile trip up on my computer if everyone would like it sent out ! Covers the total experience, period food, clothing, camp and equipage.
Let's hear about these copper mines Tony and more on the camps and have you found anything of interest.
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Date: 24 Jul 1999 14:05:22 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Senate Bill S1006
Folks,
The biggest problem is getting any group of any size to ban together in this state or any other in today's society.
We have become a "what's in it for me" group of people, like it or not. I've played this game many many times with the Colorado State Muzzle Loading Assoc. We have mentioned them before on this list, Joe it's an up hill battle that is never played on even ground. Our elected officals hold the cards, deal the cards and call the winner (which will always be in their favor).
I know what you mean, and it sounds wonderful to ban all sportsman together, tried that a few agree, and the rest just go on their merry way with their heads in the sand or somewhere else. I've tried anything from meetings with free cook-outs to just ass-ripping articles, your talking to the masses with deaf ears.
This has been over a 25-30 year period of telling them how their "rights" are going out the window by the "do-gooders", now after that long a period we're starting to see the bottom line.
That's why I put the "Gun Owners of America" on this list, I reply to the various parties on these alerts, surprising as it may be 90% of these elected officals will respond to your e-mails if you give them you address. Of course I'm probably on every "Sh... List" they pass around among themselves. I also write to the ones that are standing up against gun control, like Smith, and tell them what a great job they are doing and will be remembered at election.
It takes a little of your time to do this, but if we don't - you may want to take lots of pictures of your weapons, traps ,etc. because that may be all you have to look at down the road. This applies in the USA now, not just in Colorado folks, its time to wake up and be heard, hope its not to late ???
