Hey Buck, can you check your e-mail software and set your option to wrap
around at the end of a screen of text? you run off 2-3 pages wide and I have
to print anything you write in order to read it. Its not an easy task when I
have to save it,then convert it 3 times to get a readable document. I have
mentioned this to others on other lists and learned that all one has to do
is set the software to auto word wrap.
Jeff Powers
A mind like a steel trap;rusty and illegal in 37 states!
THE BILL OF RIGHTS......(Void where prohibited by law)
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Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 18:40:20 EDT
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Senate Bill S1006
I agree, but we can't roll over and play dead. Are you a member of the Colo.
Trappers Assn., and or the National Trappers Assn.?
My wife and I were just talking about how we needed about 50 wild coon to
dump out in one of Denver's elite neighborhoods so quite Sunday morning. We
wondered how long it would take them to try to find a trapper.
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 16:56:49 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Senate Bill S1006
Haven't belonged for 15 years, I dropped out when moving to the city and selling all the trapping equipment, was in when Major B. was one of the main folks in Ft. Collins.
> I agree, but we can't roll over and play dead. Are you a member of the Colo.
> Trappers Assn., and or the National Trappers Assn.?
I know of several state trappers that handle such things in the metro areas and they don't trap they use a dart gun.
> wondered how long it would take them to try to find a trapper.
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Date: 25 Jul 1999 18:02:17 -0700
From: buck.conner@uswestmail.net
Subject: MtMan-List: "sign lanuage"
Folks,
I have tried without much success, working by myself, in trying to learn "sign lanuage". Got the books by Tomkins and Clark, tried all the suggestions with very little success. Talked to several members in my local party, seems some were having the same problems. Work always messes you up in getting together.
Then here comes the tape that members where talking about (the one that's no longer available) and the new tape "Indian Sign Language" with Larry Pendleton. I figured I have all the other available sources, so I'll see what the tape is like, wasn't sure if I knew Larry or not.
Talked to several AMM members on the e-mail list and was told this tape would help, I wouldn't bet on that, Dennis Miles can tell you teaching the Amish doesn't work really well.
To make a long story short, I ended up buying several of these tapes for Clark & Sons Mercantile, thinking if I can't learn this - sell them through there and forget "sign". Well I received the "Indian Sign" tapes, sat down and within a few minutes I reconized Larry, we met a while back. I have watched this tape several times, and believe it or not - I think I can learn this stuff, and that's amazing as hard as I have tried in the past. Larry does an excellent job in clearly explaining each word and does it several times, you really "shine" and make it easy.
I think enough of this tape, that as soon as my web master gets back from a vacation in Europe (think I'm in the wrong line of work) she will have it (picture and inform) on the front page of Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc. web site.
Larry you have made my day, I thank you and am sure many more will do the same. Better get ready for Vol #2, with more "sign" bud, us dumbies need all the help we can get.
Later
Buck Conner
AMM Jim Baker Party/Colorado Territory
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>the inexperienced pork-eaters were the ones who had the hernias; by
>the time the men got out west to Lake Superior, they knew how to
>handle their loads safely. Also, someone has suggested that the
>famous voyageur sash could function as a support belt (I think
>that's the term) to prevent hernia.
Angela,I would have to ask someone in the medical profession about the sash
as a support belt. Personally I don't think that is a safe assumption. I
read you saying that the sash was used like a weightlifters belt,been there
done that and have had 3 ruptures(heavy construction is a killer),I used to
wear a belt until the last surgeon told me that it was worthless as a means
of preventing hernias. Anyone that can provide medical evidence to the
contrary,please post it as I to have seen the sash reference and the "Well
known fact" that hernias were the major cause of death for voyageurs. But
like Angela,drowning was more common according to the journals.
>On the other hand, MANY voyageurs died of drowning and starvation.
>Your humble & obedient servant,
>Angela Gottfred
>agottfre@telusplanet.net
Jeff Powers
A mind like a steel trap;rusty and illegal in 37 states!
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Date: 27 Jul 1999 09:49:00 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Battle Lines Forming in the Senate
Here is the fight that's coming down, don't delete this message; being interested or involved in reenactments of history, you have seen what has gone down in the past, and what maybe our furture. Re-read this e-mail and then call or e-mail your elected offical and voice your opinion about these new proposed gun laws.
Act now, or as mentioned before: "take pictures of your weapons, as that's all you'll have after they are collected".
Later
Buck Conner
_________________________________________________
From: Gun Owners of America <goamail@gunowners.org>
Battle Lines Forming in the Senate
- -- Senator Bob Smith forces colleagues to decide between God or gun control
Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
http://www.gunowners.org
(Tuesday, July 27, 1999) -- What does one do when outgunned by the other side? Call for Divine help of course.
Senator Bob Smith (I-NH), who is fighting a lonely battle in the U.S. Senate, has done just that.
It still appears that on this Wednesday, Smith will force a showdown between two different approaches to fighting crime: one that emphasizes the role of the Ten Commandments and prayer (the House crime bill) and one that imposes even more gun control (the Gore-Lautenberg version passed in the Senate).
Smith's parliamentary maneuvering resulted in yesterday's expected vote being cancelled-- thus leaving the ultimate showdown for later this week.
On Wednesday, the Senate will vote on whether to shut down Smith's filibuster of a "substitute" embodying the language of the Senate anti-gun crime bill (S. 254).
If Senators Trent Lott (R-MS) and Orrin Hatch (R-UT) are successful in overcoming Smith, then they will replace the House crime bill (H.R. 1501) with the anti-gun Senate version.
IT IS CRITICAL THAT SENATORS VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE SMITH FILIBUSTER.
The Smith filibuster is the ONLY thing keeping the anti-gun S. 254 language from advancing in the legislative process.
Senators Lott and Hatch want to take the gun control language in S. 254 and substitute it into the House crime bill. The House bill contains language reaffirming the role of the Ten Commandments and prayer in public schools; prohibiting the release of dangerous criminals solely on the basis of prison conditions; and recognizing the role of media violence, the impact of certain music, and lack of school discipline in tragedies such as the one which occurred at Columbine.
The House bill is not a perfect bill, but one can see the
interesting dilemma that Senator Smith has put his Senate colleagues into.
As Smith is framing it, Senators must decide between choosing morality (in the House bill) or choosing a Senate bill that contains the Al Gore/Frank Lautenberg gun control provisions-- including one that would almost certainly put gun shows out of business (see Talking Point #4 below).
As far as Second Amendment rights are concerned, the ultimate yardstick is to STOP S. 254 AND THE "SENATE SUBSTITUTE" THAT EMBODIES IT!!! Thus, the message gun owners can relay to their Senators is that for every crime bill vote that arises in the next couple of weeks, they should always vote against the anti-gun Senate language.
HERE'S WHAT TO DO:
* Please call both of your Senators toll-free at 1-888-449-3511. You can also call them using the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121. Ask your Senators to vote in support of the Smith filibuster and to vote AGAINST the S. 254 language at every point along the way.
* Please forward this message to as many interested people as you can.
* Many of you have already sent numerous faxes and e-mails to your Senators, and we thank you for that. But at this late date, it is imperative that we flood their offices with phone calls.
TALKING POINTS (Gun control in the Senate bill, S. 254):
1. Young adult gun ban. This ban, introduced by Senator John Ashcroft (R-MO), could severely punish parents who allow their kids to even touch a so-called semi-automatic "assault weapon." While the amendment allows for certain exemptions, there are some imponderable questions which NO senator could answer, but which a parent would have to answer in order to avoid incarceration.
For example: What is a "semiautomatic assault weapon"? The definition, plus exemptions, takes up six pages of fine print in the U.S. Code. While a gun manufacturer will pay handsome salaries to attorneys to decipher such convoluted definitions, it will be considerably harder for a parent to determine which of his family firearms are so-called assault weapons, and suspect under this provision.
2. Extending the ban on moderate-capacity magazines. This
provision, introduced by Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), would ban the importation of any magazine that can hold over 10 rounds-- no matter when the magazine was manufactured.
3. Hatch-Kohl "Lock-up your safety" requirements. Senators Orrin Hatch (R) and Herb Kohl (D) introduced this amendment which forces gun sellers to include trigger locks with every handgun sold.
4. Banning private sales of firearms at gun shows. This amendment offered by Sen. Lautenberg of New Jersey would ban private sales at gun shows-- sales between two PRIVATE individuals-- unless the buyer first submits to a background registration check. Under this provision, even displaying a firearm at a gun show, and subsequently
transferring that gun to a non-dealer (if it is displayed with a
notice that it is for sale), will result in a two-year prison
sentence-- five years for the second violation.
This amendment would also impose a series of restrictions and requirements upon gun show promoters-- requirements that would almost certainly put gun shows out of business. For example, this Lautenberg provision allows gun show promoters to be imprisoned for two years for failure to notify EVERY attendee of his legal requirements. Finally, this provision grants BATF open-ended inspection authority to harass vendors at gun shows, and explicitly gives BATF the right to keep a gun owner registration list for up to 90 days.
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Date: 27 Jul 1999 10:13:32 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Battle Lines Forming in the Senate
For a list and e-mail address for your state senators:
http://www.gunowners.org/s106th.htm
Look under your state for information.
_______________________________________________
> Here is the fight that's coming down, don't delete this message; being interested or involved in reenactments of history, you have seen what has gone down in the past, and what maybe our furture. Re-read this e-mail and then call or e-mail your elected offical and voice your opinion about these new proposed gun laws.
>
> Act now, or as mentioned before: "take pictures of your weapons, as that's all you'll have after they are collected".
> From: Gun Owners of America <goamail@gunowners.org>
>
> Battle Lines Forming in the Senate
> -- Senator Bob Smith forces colleagues to decide between God or gun control
>
> Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
> 8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
> Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408
> http://www.gunowners.org
>
> As far as Second Amendment rights are concerned, the ultimate yardstick is to STOP S. 254 AND THE "SENATE SUBSTITUTE" THAT EMBODIES IT!!! Thus, the message gun owners can relay to their Senators is that for every crime bill vote that arises in the next couple of weeks, they should always vote against the anti-gun Senate language.
>
> HERE'S WHAT TO DO:
>
> * Please call both of your Senators toll-free at 1-888-449-3511. You can also call them using the Capitol Switchboard at 202-224-3121. Ask your Senators to vote in support of the Smith filibuster and to vote AGAINST the S. 254 language at every point along the way.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 14:15:48 EDT
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Voyageur hernias
Jeff, I think you are right about the belts... IIRC, it was Cal-OSHA that not
long ago released the results of a study indicating that the so-called
'support' belts were useless in preventing either hernia or back problems.
BUT, you still see MANY people wearing them, as MANY companies still require
them, probably becuase of their insurance companies. It could be that the
voyagers THOUGHT they worked, and we all know the power of mind over
matter..... not to mention the power of the danged insurance co's. <G>
Barn.
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:47:11 EDT
From: Cherokeoil@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "sign lanuage"
I`d be interested in a copy of the tape to. You can get ahold of me off line
to.
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