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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #296 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, May 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 296 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:34:24 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Tommy Edge wrote: > > RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > > > sidney, sounds like your browser has been corrupted by either erroreous > > deletion or a system crash. if you have any way to get to microsoft online, > > download and install internet explorer 5.0; it will update/correct any > > corrupted files, as well as giving you the best version of IE available. if > > you can't get to the web to download it, pick up a copy of almost any > > internet service provider software (aol, earthlink, att, etc.,at a store > > (usually free) and install IE (any version) again, then go get the new > > version. hope this helps, yhs, Barney Fife > > get rid of microsoft download netscape 4.5 had the same problem until I started > using netscape. Got that right! All I.E. is good for is (like Outlook)....."here virus, virus, virus!" But then, that's a MickySoft invitation. 'Better get the latest McAfee. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 01:30:55 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Browser Problem WAY OT given the warm reception towards microsoft, i thought y'all might get a kick out of this... its too true.. Barn INSTRUCTIONS FOR MICROSOFT'S NEW TV DINNER PRODUCT You must first remove the plastic cover. By doing so you agree to accept and honor Microsoft rights to all TV dinners. You may not give anyone else a bite of your dinner (which would constitute an infringement of Microsoft's rights). You may, however, let others smell and look at your dinner and are encouraged to tell them how good it is. If you have a PC microwave oven, insert the dinner into the oven. Set the oven using these keystrokes: \mstv.dinn.//08.5min@50%heat//. Then enter: ms//start.cook_dindin/yummy\|/yum~yum:-)gohot#cookme. If you have a Mac oven, insert the dinner and press start. The oven will set itself and cook the dinner. If you have a UNIX oven, insert the dinner, enter the ingredients of the dinner (found on the package label), the weight of the dinner, and the desired level of cooking and press start. The oven will calculate the time and heat and cook the dinner exactly to your specification. Be forewarned that Microsoft dinners may crash, in which case your oven must be restarted. This is a simple procedure. Remove the dinner from the oven and enter: ms.good/tryagain\again/again.please. This process may have to be repeated. Try unplugging the microwave and then doing a cold reboot. If this doesn't work, contact your hardware vendor. Many users have reported that the dinner tray is far too big, larger than the dinner itself, having many useless compartments, most of which are empty. These are for future menu items. If the tray is too large to fit in your oven you will need to upgrade your equipment. Dinners are only available from registered outlets, and only the chicken variety is currently produced. If you want another variety, call Microsoft Help and they will explain that you really don't want another variety. Microsoft Chicken is all you really need. Microsoft has disclosed plans to discontinue all smaller versions of their chicken dinners. Future releases will only be in the larger family size. Excess chicken may be stored for future use, but must be saved only in Microsoft approved packaging. Microsoft promises a dessert with every dinner after '98. However, that version has yet to be released. Users have permission to get thrilled in advance. Microsoft dinners may be incompatible with other dinners in the freezer, causing your freezer to self-defrost. This is a feature, not a bug. Your freezer probably should have been defrosted anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 02:07:25 EDT From: Cherokeoil@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: new comer I`m a new comer and i`d really like to get into the mountain man thing but have a very limited knowlegde of the time frames and persona deal. Could someone give me a general idea? Is anyone from the Kansas City area if you don`t mind me asking? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 09:34:13 -0400 From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: In the white vs. browning vs. blueing turtle part of what you state i truly agree with but there is so many different metal finishes that exist and are called blueing when they are in reality not blue---look at the old winchesters that have a brown color finish this is an original blueing that with age is patenia'ed out or turned to a brown cast or slick finish---remember the old blueing processed was done with acids and chemicals and some affect the metals in different ways with age---suggest you look in the book blueing and browning by ancer and you will find a lot of the oldd formulas that are blue when done initially but with age turn to a brown blue or brown black finish---some are slick type finish and some are truly etched in a lot of the old guns liked the slick finish ---but thru fair wear and tear and age they turn more slick brown than blue because of the chemicals used----manton used a black brown that thru age turns more brown and slick and therefore emphasises the damascus on the barrels anf looks like more of a plumb brown. what hapened is that the coat of chemicals that etches the barrels first to get the damiscus figure kills the blue and it is lost with age for some reason and you wind up with a slick brown with the damascus figure--- I probably havent explained this well but you can contact me offline and i will further explain what i am trying to say if you dont understand---remember blue does not really mean blue color in some cases blueing is a process and browning is a process and they in reality are the same which is to chemically treat or etch the metal to protect it from rust ----in reality blueing or browning are both only controlled rust--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(727) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com On 7 May 1999 09:00:30 -0700 <turtle@uswestmail.net> writes: > As a general rule of thumb, what Buck stated is pretty close, but >there are always exceptions to anything as we have seen on the drop >front pants discussion a week or two ago. > I read that the Manton's always blued or color case hardened all >the metal parts, then at a museum in England I find two cased guns >that are a plumb brown, they were originally manufactured in that >finish by John Manton. Have seen documentation stating the same about >Twig (Manton learned his trade from him), same story as the Manton's - >blued or color case hardened all the metal parts, then see a brown >metal pair of matched pistols ! > When we state white is white or black is black, that may not always >be true because somewhere theres a gray one. > Turtle. > >> On Fri, 07 May 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote: >> >> Sorry, Caywood and your father are correct; government contracts, >tradegun contracts for the most part stated "white" or "blue" for a >finish. Information on many of the gun builders built guns with metal >"white" as a standard in the early years according to Kit Ravenshear, >around the turn of the 19th century "browning" started to appear. >Usually weapons before that may have looked "browned" or "modeled" in >appearance, but were really just rusted, as starting life in the >white. >> >> I'll sure others will have different opinions, but like Hawk will >tell you, look for good documentation, don't listen to uneducated >guesses. >> >> Buck >> >> > On Thu, 06 May 1999, Barbara Smith wrote: >> > >> > Okay, I felt like opening a can of worms, so I'm tossing this out >to >> > ya'll: >> > >> > My Dad is building me a gun. We're discussing all the minutae. >He's >> > decided to buy a kit from Caywood that sound pretty great. Caywood >tells >> > him that they can supply it in the white or blued. They say that >blued >> > is historically accurate. >> > >> > Now, my running buddies are all over me to take the blueing off my >brand >> > new flintlock and brown it! So, I says to Dad: "I want it in the >white >> > or browned." So Dad, being related to me, proceeds to drown me in >facts >> > about how blued is historically accurate. Help! Dad's a great >guy, and >> > has been shooting muzzleloaders all his life, but he's not "one of >us!" >> > And I just don't trust a guy who won't truss his privates up in a >piece >> > of wool! Any of you guys who've been to the Museum of the Fur >Trade >> > care to tell me what you saw there? >> > >> > Most gratefully yours, >> > Tassee >> >> >> Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account >http://www.uswestmail.net > > >Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account >http://www.uswestmail.net > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:15:16 -0400 From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Challenge of the Trail REVIEW buck what are you getting for the tape---would like to view it myself and would give you my impression---would pay for a copy--- "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(727) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 11:03:00 -0400 From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new comer Kramer the finish man lives there and there are a couple of good clubs in the area---look in muzzle blast for a phone number and POC "Hawk" Michael Pierce 854 Glenfield Dr. Palm Harbor, florida 34684 1-(727) 771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS: HAWKNEST4@juno.com On Sun, 9 May 1999 02:07:25 EDT Cherokeoil@aol.com writes: >I`m a new comer and i`d really like to get into the mountain man thing >but >have a very limited knowlegde of the time frames and persona deal. >Could >someone give me a general idea? Is anyone from the Kansas City area if >you >don`t mind me asking? > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 08:20:35 -0700 From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: John C. Funk <glonjon1@juno.com> To: <ashherb@aol.com>; <pathumes@aol.com>; <fblackmer@juno.com>; <BlouinJS@aol.com>; <joann5y@juno.com>; <DQBoyd@juno.com>; <RCBETBRAD@aol.com>; <broslowa@aol.com>; <kepcook@webtv.net>; <Kedcreed@compuserve.com>; <rich5y@juno.com>; <BEllis2463@aol.com>; <SERMEY@worldnet.att.net>; <evfox@fishnet.net>; <Laytonfunk@aol.com>; <funkwb@juno.com>; <EFTOO@aol.com>; <davnkim@aol.com>; <J2Hearts@Shasta.com>; <funks@pe.net>; <lynnwa1@juno.com>; <Thorton@Dock.net>; <rrlafon@juno.com>; <llefler@juno.com>; <martisa@sos.net>; <Saxyram@aol.com>; <Edvalnem@aol.com>; <palluth@cybertime.net>; <JMHouser@aol.com>; <Joanna@surflounge.com>; <scotwilco@aol.com>; <Woods78@worldnet.att.net> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 9:43 AM Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver; "a Bug's Life - > BUGGLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!! Your hard > drive will crash and someone from the internet will get your screen name > and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUM- > STANCES!!! It just went circulation on May fifth, as far as we know. > Please > distribute/inform this message. This is a new and very malicious virus > and > not many people know about it yet. This information was announced > on May sixth by Microsoft. Please share it with everyone who might have > access to the Internet. Also do not open or even look at any mail that > says "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO DELIVER". This virus will attach > itself to your computer components and render them useless. Immediately > delete mail items that say this. AOL has also announced that this is a > very > dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. > > PASS THIS ON !!! > ___________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 10:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer Mr. Mullen:( and others on the list) Thanks for your help with Treaties. I, like you, think Deringer's records are where I need to look.(I thought the treaty end of the search would justify our reason for needing to find Deringers records) Douglas Jones(AMM) said he found a little on Deringer and this contract several years ago. But , lost or missed placed, the info. He is wanting to develope a "persona" of an early S.W. Trader/Trapper(about 1830) In Grant Forman's "Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest"(A good book) University of Nebraska Press. There was plenty of trading/trapping in our area(South Central Oklahoma) and all around. "Doug has a Deringer (reproduction) that he might have traded from one of the Indians in the area, to justify his possesion of the rifle." In his presentations of "Living History" at schools, he wants to have a little Indian history of the area. Thus " a new CAN of worms" Any help in tracing down Deringers records? Let's go fishing!!!! === George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:41:29 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer You're welcome. Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: George Noe <gnoe39@yahoo.com> To: hist_ text <hist_text@xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 12:14 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mt Man_List Deringer > Mr. Mullen:( and others on the list) > Thanks for your help with Treaties. > I, like you, think Deringer's records are where I need to look.(I > thought the treaty end of the search would justify our reason for > needing to find Deringers records) > Douglas Jones(AMM) said he found a little on Deringer > and this contract several years ago. But , lost or missed placed, the > info. He is wanting to develope a "persona" of an early S.W. > Trader/Trapper(about 1830) > In Grant Forman's "Pioneer Days in the Early Southwest"(A good book) > University of Nebraska Press. > There was plenty of trading/trapping in our area(South Central > Oklahoma) and all around. > "Doug has a Deringer (reproduction) that he might have > traded from one of the Indians in the area, to justify > his possesion of the rifle." In his presentations of "Living History" > at schools, he wants to have a little Indian history of the area. > Thus " a new CAN of worms" > =20 >=20 > Any help in tracing down Deringers records? > Let's go fishing!!!! >=20 > =3D=3D=3D > George R. Noe< gnoe39@yahoo.com > 1005 = W.Donkey Ln. Marlow Ok. 73055 > Watch your back trail, and keep your eyes on the skyline. > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 15:04:58 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! "john c. funk,jr" wrote: [snip] > > > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver; "a Bug's Life - > > BUGGLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!! Your hard > > drive will crash and someone from the internet will get your screen name > > and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUM- > > STANCES!!! It just went circulation on May fifth, as far as we know. This is another HOAX!! Fred - ----/ / _ Fred A. Miller - ---/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Systems Administrator - --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Cornell Univ. Press Services - -/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ fm@cupserv.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 12:18:46 -0700 From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! John, Many many times you will see these warnings coming through your e-mail. As I advise all my friends, please check them out before sending these all across the internet world. This is a hoax. Please see: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html If you have good virus protection software and keep it updated you have very little to worry about. If you get a warning from someone, go to Symantec's or McAfee's web site and check it out, I'll bet my best Hawken, 99 out of 100 are hoaxes. Hope this helps... Medicine Bear "john c. funk,jr" wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John C. Funk <glonjon1@juno.com> > To: <ashherb@aol.com>; <pathumes@aol.com>; <fblackmer@juno.com>; > <BlouinJS@aol.com>; <joann5y@juno.com>; <DQBoyd@juno.com>; > <RCBETBRAD@aol.com>; <broslowa@aol.com>; <kepcook@webtv.net>; > <Kedcreed@compuserve.com>; <rich5y@juno.com>; <BEllis2463@aol.com>; > <SERMEY@worldnet.att.net>; <evfox@fishnet.net>; <Laytonfunk@aol.com>; > <funkwb@juno.com>; <EFTOO@aol.com>; <davnkim@aol.com>; > <J2Hearts@Shasta.com>; <funks@pe.net>; <lynnwa1@juno.com>; > <Thorton@Dock.net>; <rrlafon@juno.com>; <llefler@juno.com>; > <martisa@sos.net>; <Saxyram@aol.com>; <Edvalnem@aol.com>; > <palluth@cybertime.net>; <JMHouser@aol.com>; <Joanna@surflounge.com>; > <scotwilco@aol.com>; <Woods78@worldnet.att.net> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 9:43 AM > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver; "a Bug's Life - > > BUGGLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!! Your hard > > drive will crash and someone from the internet will get your screen name > > and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUM- > > STANCES!!! It just went circulation on May fifth, as far as we know. > > Please > > distribute/inform this message. This is a new and very malicious virus > > and > > not many people know about it yet. This information was announced > > on May sixth by Microsoft. Please share it with everyone who might have > > access to the Internet. Also do not open or even look at any mail that > > says "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO DELIVER". This virus will attach > > itself to your computer components and render them useless. Immediately > > delete mail items that say this. AOL has also announced that this is a > > very > > dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. > > > > PASS THIS ON !!! > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:47:40 -0500 From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! Frank Thanks for the address for the virus hoaxes. I am no expert about = viruses or hoaxes, but every one (read "100%) of those whom I believe to = be experts have assured me that no damage can be caused by opening any = e-mail message...including messages with actual viruses embedded in = them. Damage can occur only if you install the infected message into = your computer memory. Do you concur with that opinion? Lanney Ratcliff - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 2:18 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! > John, >=20 > Many many times you will see these warnings coming through your = e-mail. As I > advise all my friends, please check them out before sending these all = across > the internet world. This is a hoax. > Please see: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html > If you have good virus protection software and keep it updated you = have very > little to worry about. If you get a warning from someone, go to = Symantec's or > McAfee's web site and check it out, I'll bet my best Hawken, 99 out of = 100 are > hoaxes. > Hope this helps... >=20 > Medicine Bear >=20 > "john c. funk,jr" wrote: >=20 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John C. Funk <glonjon1@juno.com> > > To: <ashherb@aol.com>; <pathumes@aol.com>; <fblackmer@juno.com>; > > <BlouinJS@aol.com>; <joann5y@juno.com>; <DQBoyd@juno.com>; > > <RCBETBRAD@aol.com>; <broslowa@aol.com>; <kepcook@webtv.net>; > > <Kedcreed@compuserve.com>; <rich5y@juno.com>; <BEllis2463@aol.com>; > > <SERMEY@worldnet.att.net>; <evfox@fishnet.net>; = <Laytonfunk@aol.com>; > > <funkwb@juno.com>; <EFTOO@aol.com>; <davnkim@aol.com>; > > <J2Hearts@Shasta.com>; <funks@pe.net>; <lynnwa1@juno.com>; > > <Thorton@Dock.net>; <rrlafon@juno.com>; <llefler@juno.com>; > > <martisa@sos.net>; <Saxyram@aol.com>; <Edvalnem@aol.com>; > > <palluth@cybertime.net>; <JMHouser@aol.com>; = <Joanna@surflounge.com>; > > <scotwilco@aol.com>; <Woods78@worldnet.att.net> > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 9:43 AM > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > > > > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > > > Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver; "a Bug's = Life - > > > BUGGLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!! Your = hard > > > drive will crash and someone from the internet will get your = screen name > > > and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUM- > > > STANCES!!! It just went circulation on May fifth, as far as we = know. > > > Please > > > distribute/inform this message. This is a new and very malicious = virus > > > and > > > not many people know about it yet. This information was announced > > > on May sixth by Microsoft. Please share it with everyone who = might have > > > access to the Internet. Also do not open or even look at any mail = that > > > says "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO DELIVER". This virus will attach > > > itself to your computer components and render them useless. = Immediately > > > delete mail items that say this. AOL has also announced that this = is a > > > very > > > dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. > > > > > > PASS THIS ON !!! > > > = ___________________________________________________________________ > > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at = http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 15:49:35 EDT From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Thanks for the warnings...and one caveat! Yes, we are bombarded daily with hoax scares...however the last "hoax" my son received wiped out his hard drive! So unless it's an overtly ridiculous hoax (like being asked to add your name to a list of people urging the government to support a puppy for every poor kid in Kosovo) I don't mind being forwarned :) But thank you for noting that the MAJORITY of virus alerts are indeed hoaxes! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 16:00:41 -0400 From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! Ratcliff wrote: > > Frank > Thanks for the address for the virus hoaxes. I am no expert about viruses or hoaxes, but every one (read "100%) of those whom I believe to be experts have assured me that no damage can be caused by opening any e-mail message...including messages with actual viruses embedded in them. Damage can occur only if you install the infected message into your computer memory. Do you concur with that opinion? This is correct.....presently. Just reading the e-mail message alone will not infect your system, however, if you open the attached file, then you could be infected. This is less true of MAC systems, and MUCH less for a PC running Linux, which is a better OS anyway. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 13:08:04 -0700 From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! Lanny, I'm no expert either. Sounds right to me. I think "attached files" are the culprit. For those who think it's a harmless event to send "false" warnings, there is a cost to us all! The problem with forwarding "hoax" warnings is that the exponential glutting of the bandwidth is something we can do without. If everyone on this list alone forwarded this warning to everyone in their address book and they intern their's...well, you can only imagine the thousands if not hundreds of thousands of needless messages clogging up the internet from only one warning. I've had in the neighborhood of 30-40 "warnings" this year so far. All hoaxes and it took only 1 1/2 - 2 minutes to check it out. The people who forward warnings are sincere and concerned for us all and that is appreciated. I'm sure not upset nor do I blame anyone. Just passing on what I have learned. We all have a lot to learn about computers and the Internet. I still think it's all done with smoke and mirrors! Lest I get chewed out for being "off topic" I'd better not say anymore on this one. Medicine Bear Ratcliff wrote: > Frank > Thanks for the address for the virus hoaxes. I am no expert about viruses or hoaxes, but every one (read "100%) of those whom I believe to be experts have assured me that no damage can be caused by opening any e-mail message...including messages with actual viruses embedded in them. Damage can occur only if you install the infected message into your computer memory. Do you concur with that opinion? > Lanney Ratcliff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com> > To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: VERY Important!!!!! > > > John, > > > > Many many times you will see these warnings coming through your e-mail. As I > > advise all my friends, please check them out before sending these all across > > the internet world. This is a hoax. > > Please see: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html > > If you have good virus protection software and keep it updated you have very > > little to worry about. If you get a warning from someone, go to Symantec's or > > McAfee's web site and check it out, I'll bet my best Hawken, 99 out of 100 are > > hoaxes. > > Hope this helps... > > > > Medicine Bear > > > > "john c. funk,jr" wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John C. Funk <glonjon1@juno.com> > > > To: <ashherb@aol.com>; <pathumes@aol.com>; <fblackmer@juno.com>; > > > <BlouinJS@aol.com>; <joann5y@juno.com>; <DQBoyd@juno.com>; > > > <RCBETBRAD@aol.com>; <broslowa@aol.com>; <kepcook@webtv.net>; > > > <Kedcreed@compuserve.com>; <rich5y@juno.com>; <BEllis2463@aol.com>; > > > <SERMEY@worldnet.att.net>; <evfox@fishnet.net>; <Laytonfunk@aol.com>; > > > <funkwb@juno.com>; <EFTOO@aol.com>; <davnkim@aol.com>; > > > <J2Hearts@Shasta.com>; <funks@pe.net>; <lynnwa1@juno.com>; > > > <Thorton@Dock.net>; <rrlafon@juno.com>; <llefler@juno.com>; > > > <martisa@sos.net>; <Saxyram@aol.com>; <Edvalnem@aol.com>; > > > <palluth@cybertime.net>; <JMHouser@aol.com>; <Joanna@surflounge.com>; > > > <scotwilco@aol.com>; <Woods78@worldnet.att.net> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 9:43 AM > > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: VERY Important!!!!! > > > > > > > > Someone is sending out a very desirable screen-saver; "a Bug's Life - > > > > BUGGLST.ZIP". If you download it, you will lose everything!!! Your hard > > > > drive will crash and someone from the internet will get your screen name > > > > and password! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS UNDER ANY CIRCUM- > > > > STANCES!!! It just went circulation on May fifth, as far as we know. > > > > Please > > > > distribute/inform this message. This is a new and very malicious virus > > > > and > > > > not many people know about it yet. This information was announced > > > > on May sixth by Microsoft. Please share it with everyone who might have > > > > access to the Internet. Also do not open or even look at any mail that > > > > says "RETURNED OR UNABLE TO DELIVER". This virus will attach > > > > itself to your computer components and render them useless. Immediately > > > > delete mail items that say this. AOL has also announced that this is a > > > > very > > > > dangerous virus and that there is NO remedy for it at this time. > > > > > > > > PASS THIS ON !!! > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > > > > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html > > > > or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:04:19 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT - Internet Hoaxes AMEN to medicine bear,,, also, about those damn annoying warnings: symantec's site is about the best, and a number of sites that expose hoaxes get stuff at different times, and sometimes even the same hoax may be listed under a different name (i.e. the 'melissa virus was also mlista.exe, apparently its actual file name). Since these sites accumulate info at different rates, sometimes its good to have more than one source to check things out. here's a couple of additional links: This Is From MB's prev post: <A HREF="http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html">SARC - Virus Hoaxes</A> This is a clearing house: <A HREF="http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html">CIAC Internet Hoaxes</A> This is great reading too: <A HREF="http://urbanlegends.miningco.com/">Urban Legends and Folklore </A> Hope this helps us all to shut down the myths and hoaxes thrown about the internet. Barney Fife "Fortitude In Distress" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:37:11 EDT From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: OT Internet Myths and Hoaxes Here's what the so-called experts say (zd.net, PC Magazine, etc): you cannot get a virus, trojan horse, etc, from simply READING e-mail. But, if you DOWNLOAD ANYTHING, whether intentional by you, OR FORCED without your knowledge by a web site for instance, things can happen. The first line of defense is the number one rule: DON'T DOWNLOAD ANYTHING UNLESS YOU KNOW AND TRUST THE SOURCE. The 2nd line of defense (especially important if you connect to the internet) is to have an ANTI-VIRUS PROGRAM AND KEEP IT'S VIRUS DEFINITION FILES UP TO DATE. With the advent of cookies, java applets, macro viruses and other crap none of us will ever understand, one thing is for sure: your system is open to attack anytime you insert a diskette, cd-rom or connect to another computer. But its very easy to protect yourself. Barney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 18:00:28 -0700 From: Laurel huber <huberfam@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new comer - --------------2D3DC8EA596EC79F02D711CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're interested in becoming a buckskinner and coming out to Rendezvous' and the like, The Book of Buckskinning series by Muzzelloader Magazine is a good place to start. Interesting, easy to read articles, tips on clothing and plans for building gear are just some of the information within. Start with the first two volumes and work your way through them until you're contributing material for the next volume. If you want to acquire some knowlegde of the Fur Trade in painless form, I always recommend the following paperback book to the beginner: Give Your Heart to the Hawks: A Tribute to the Mountain Men by Winfred Blevins Tamarack Books, 340 pages. $16.95 Through Amazon.com if your local bookseller can't supply you. This is the book that got me off my butt and into the mountains. I read a great deal of history texts now but I keep this volume close when my interest wanes. A great overview in a very readable form. "Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber Cherokeoil@aol.com wrote: > I`m a new comer and i`d really like to get into the mountain man thing but > have a very limited knowlegde of the time frames and persona deal. Could > someone give me a general idea? Is anyone from the Kansas City area if you > don`t mind me asking? - --------------2D3DC8EA596EC79F02D711CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> If you're interested in becoming a buckskinner and coming out to Rendezvous' and the like, The Book of Buckskinning series by Muzzelloader Magazine is a good place to start. Interesting, easy to read articles, tips on clothing and plans for building gear are just some of the information within. Start with the first two volumes and work your way through them until you're contributing material for the next volume. If you want to acquire some knowlegde of the Fur Trade in painless form, I always recommend the following paperback book to the beginner: Give Your Heart to the Hawks: A Tribute to the Mountain Men by Winfred Blevins Tamarack Books, 340 pages. $16.95 Through Amazon.com if your local bookseller can't supply you. This is the book that got me off my butt and into the mountains. I read a great deal of history texts now but I keep this volume close when my interest wanes. A great overview in a very readable form. "Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber Cherokeoil@aol.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I`m a new comer and i`d really like to get into the mountain man thing but have a very limited knowlegde of the time frames and persona deal. Could someone give me a general idea? 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If you want to acquire some knowlegde of the Fur Trade in painless form, I always recommend the following paperback book to the beginner: Give Your Heart to the Hawks: A Tribute to the Mountain Men by Winfred Blevins Tamarack Books, 340 pages. $16.95 Through Amazon.com if your local bookseller can't supply you. This is the book that got me off my butt and into the mountains. I read a great deal of history texts now but I keep this volume close when my interest wanes. A great overview in a very readable form. "Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber Cherokeoil@aol.com wrote: > I`m a new comer and i`d really like to get into the mountain man thing but > have a very limited knowlegde of the time frames and persona deal. Could > someone give me a general idea? Is anyone from the Kansas City area if you > don`t mind me asking? - --------------2D3DC8EA596EC79F02D711CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> If you're interested in becoming a buckskinner and coming out to Rendezvous' and the like, The Book of Buckskinning series by Muzzelloader Magazine is a good place to start. Interesting, easy to read articles, tips on clothing and plans for building gear are just some of the information within. Start with the first two volumes and work your way through them until you're contributing material for the next volume. If you want to acquire some knowlegde of the Fur Trade in painless form, I always recommend the following paperback book to the beginner: Give Your Heart to the Hawks: A Tribute to the Mountain Men by Winfred Blevins Tamarack Books, 340 pages. $16.95 Through Amazon.com if your local bookseller can't supply you. This is the book that got me off my butt and into the mountains. I read a great deal of history texts now but I keep this volume close when my interest wanes. A great overview in a very readable form. "Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber Cherokeoil@aol.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I`m a new comer and i`d really like to get into the mountain man thing but have a very limited knowlegde of the time frames and persona deal. Could someone give me a general idea? 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