Sorry for the delay in getting to your question re: halter construction.
Yes, I had been referring to halters, their construction and material used.
My only fear in using cotton rope is its lack of strength. Maybe braiding
some strands together would solve that problem. Definitely got to work on
that. Thanks again.
John Funk
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From: zaslow <zaz@pacificnet.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 1999 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: AMM-List: Horse Tack
> Randy,
>
> Thanks for the info on the American Rendezvous Magazine and headstalls. I
> have every issue and I'm going to look up the article. Another book that
I
> have picked up that has some good stuff is called "Western Tack Tips" by
Tom
> Hall. Another Brother got it at a tack store and although it has some
> modern stuff, it also has some good stuff on how to make old style
> hackamore's. I have some period correct stuff made with leather and brass
> made by Marty Deushane and if anyone wants his # and address, I'd be happy
> to provide it.
>
> What I was wondering from reading the original post by John Funk was,
where
> you talking about headstalls or halters? Sounds more like halters. If
that
> is the case, then they could be made of cotton rope much like modern ones
in
> tack stores made of nylon rope.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
>
> >
>
>
>
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 15:16:42 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Columbine High Information (OFF-TOPIC)
For those of you on the hist_list that have contacted me on this list and off-list on the Columbine High Shooting, wanting an address for contributions.
These are tax-deductible per our Governor in Colorado and Vice President of the United States, mentioned at the Memorial Service on Sunday.
There are funds setup for ech student and teacher that were wounded or loss their life. Figured most didn't relly know these people and the general funds would be better suited.
Colorado State University is collecting for the victims and their families. Contributions should be made by check payable to "Colorado State Cares" and mailed to CSU Foundation, PO Box 1870, Fort Collins, CO 80522-1870
Columbine High School is collecting for the damage done by the bullets and blood stains to the library. Contributions of $10 should be made by check payable to "Columbine High School Library Fund", C/O the Littleton Jaycees, PO Box 1008, Littleton, CO 80160-1008.
Any other information desired may be gotten from the two addresses shown above. Sorry for the delay, but with everything that has happened, it's hard to get good information for address, phone numbers, etc.
Buck Conner
Colorado Territory
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:21:42 -0400
From: "Bob Keefe" <bobkeefe@nextek.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Another newbie question
First off thanks to everyone who responded to my last
question, it was helpful info. Today I am looking for a source for plans of
camp furniture such as kitchen box, chairs , table E.C.T. Havn,t had much
luck locating any so far
Many Thanks
Bob Keefe
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:40:35 -0700
From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Another newbie question
Yup,
Kinda hard at first. Check out these web sites, look on them for other links
and use the search features of your browser and a'fore long you'll have more
bookmarks than you know what to do with!
Medicine Bear <(((><
http://www.jastown.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/~fsimmons/post.htm
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/goosebay/
http://www.bradleycompanyofthefox.com/books3.html
http://www.teleport.com/~walking/clark/
Bob Keefe wrote:
> First off thanks to everyone who responded to my last
> question, it was helpful info. Today I am looking for a source for plans of
> camp furniture such as kitchen box, chairs , table E.C.T. Havn,t had much
> luck locating any so far
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Bob Keefe
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 16:46:16 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Using Documentation and Sound Thread Resources
Thanks to Michael Pierce and Buck Conner for showing some examples of clear documentations and sound thread resources when researching items.
Both of these gentlemen have always been delightful in their findings and knowledge of different time frames that we all are interested in on this history link.
There have been many that have added and hopefully continue to do so, this is what Dean Rudy has started and assembled in the files we can go to, and refresh our memories.
Thanks to all of you that come forth with such great items of interest, it's a nice experience to be able to learn and listen along with some funny stories thrown in, again thank you.
Back hear in PA, most do the F&I War to Rev. War then jump to the Civil War, very little fur trade, making this a nice relief.
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Date: 26 Apr 1999 16:49:03 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Columbine High Information (OFF-TOPIC)
Thanks Buck, checks in the mail.
Turtle.
> On Mon, 26 April 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> For those of you on the hist_list that have contacted me on this list and off-list on the Columbine High Shooting, wanting an address for contributions.
>
> These are tax-deductible per our Governor in Colorado and Vice President of the United States, mentioned at the Memorial Service on Sunday.
>
> There are funds setup for ech student and teacher that were wounded or loss their life. Figured most didn't relly know these people and the general funds would be better suited.
>
> Colorado State University is collecting for the victims and their families. Contributions should be made by check payable to "Colorado State Cares" and mailed to CSU Foundation, PO Box 1870, Fort Collins, CO 80522-1870
>
> Columbine High School is collecting for the damage done by the bullets and blood stains to the library. Contributions of $10 should be made by check payable to "Columbine High School Library Fund", C/O the Littleton Jaycees, PO Box 1008, Littleton, CO 80160-1008.
>
> Any other information desired may be gotten from the two addresses shown above. Sorry for the delay, but with everything that has happened, it's hard to get good information for address, phone numbers, etc.
>
> Buck Conner
> Colorado Territory
>
>
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:29:50 -0700
From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ <randybublitz@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Another newbie question
Bob, check out Book of Buckskinning II for the article on 'Making Camp
Gear'. This article includes chests, chairs, etc.... Hardtack
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:29:56 -0400
From: Tom Roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Walnut Dye
From what I've gathered by perusing the archives, a logical choice for
dyeing material dark brown is the hull of black walnut. My question is
whether anyone has successfully performed this task using the hull of
english walnut which seems to be the variety harvested for it's meat.
Tom
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:25:40 -0400
From: Michael Pierce <hawknest4@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Using Documentation and Sound Thread Resources
turtle ---if you need anything give us a whoot on or offline or our phone
number is at the end of this post---we'ev been back to the indian wars a
bit---best to you and thanks for the good words---still looking for that
positive thread for proper documentation of a possession to include that
rifle I have sitting in the corner---that i have been scratching my head
about for over 3 weeks---one of those unmakked things---looks like a
fordney but----starting that ever ending search for reality---
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Date: 27 Apr 1999 07:05:39 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Using Documentation and Sound Thread Resources
Ditto to Michael's remarks Turtle.
Hey, what would you call this for documentation, good, bad or a thread boys ?
______________________________
I owed and operated a muzzleloading store and customer - Dale would come in for coffee and some friendly chat. One day he mentioned he had a little chromed plated pistol that his grandfather owned, it had been loaded for so long they were afraid to beat the shells out off it. It was a little S&W break open in 38 S&W (not Special - sometimes called 38 S&W short). Nickel plated with the hard rubber black grips.
Dale's grandfather had worked at a stage stop in Virginia Dale, CO (same place that Jack Slade ran years before, Hole In The Wall Gang leader and Wells Fargo agent. My ex-wife's grandfather worked for both of these gentlemen, as a guard and stage driver between Ft. Collins CO and Larimie to Cheyenne WYO. that's another interesting story of John Mansfield.
Anyway "Doc" and Dale's grandfather were friends, "Doc" was supplied with fresh horses and food on several occasions when being followed by different people. Dale never said if they were the law or lawless. It's in the history books of this place, if interested.
Dale couldn't get the cartridges out of it. He was worried that his kids may get hurt with it laying around the house and wondered if I would look at it.
He brought it in and told us the story of this gun, I suggested we write to S&W and that would show what was on their records as to who really purchased the gun originally. In the mean time we would try and remove the frozen cartridges.
That turned out to be a job, removed the cylinder and soaked it in several types of lubes, oils and finally carb. cleaner. with a dowel and a small hammer we drove the loaded cases out of their resting place without hurting
anything other than pushing the lead bullets down in the cases.
Overall condition of bore and cylinder holes were poor from lack of care, nickel was about 50%, but the gun functioned, so we were pleased with what we had done.
When S&W's letter arrived the story he (Dale) told held water as the gun fell within a dozen revolver serial numbers that were purchased by the famous "Doc" Holiday before the turn of the century. In the letter they gave this information and then ended by asking if the gun was for sale.
Have lost the serial number since then and gave the owner (Dale Woliver) the Smith & Wesson letter about the little revolver that was purchased by "Doc" Holiday.
This was one of a dozen that "Doc" Holiday had purchased from the S&W factory and gave to his friends for favors they had done while on the run with Wyatt and his friends after their shootout at the OK Corral.
As far as I know it is still laying on the fire place mantel with an old newspaper picture of "Doc" and Dale's grandfather in front of the stage stop at Virginia Dale Colorado.
Now is this documentated or thread for information about this little revolver, just because Dale has a picture of his relation with "Doc" doesn't say he was given the gun, and the S&W records do not say who received the gun. So Hawk, how would you figure this one, I don't personality know what it would be. Can see it both ways !
Buck Conner
dba/ Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
______________________________________
> On Mon, 26 April 1999, Michael Pierce wrote:
> turtle ---if you need anything give us a whoot on or offline or our phone
> number is at the end of this post---we'ev been back to the indian wars a
> bit---best to you and thanks for the good words---still looking for that
> positive thread for proper documentation of a possession to include that
> rifle I have sitting in the corner---that i have been scratching my head
> about for over 3 weeks---one of those unmakked things---looks like a
> fordney but----starting that ever ending search for reality---
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:52:30 EDT
From: TetonTod@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Henry Route Article
Those of you who have obtained a cpoy of the henry Route article from me,
please send me your mailing address again, there's another short related
article I forgot to send.
Todd Glover
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Date: 27 Apr 1999 19:07:52 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Using Documentation and Sound Thread Resources
I can see what you say, this could be taken either way as documentated or thread information depending on who inviewed the sources. It will be interesting to see how others would look at this, how about it Hawk.
Seeing how the gun has stayed in the family and the relation worked at the stage stop, and is pictured with Holiday, is real good thread resouce documentation - like Medina's pants. If he had written paper from the relation, I think it would become solid documentation. Smith & Wesson information says the revolvers were purchased by Holiday for gifts (if I understood that correctly) but didn't give any clue as to who they were given to.
Turtle.
> Now is this documentated or thread for information about this little revolver, just because Dale has a picture of his relation with "Doc" doesn't say he was given the gun, and the S&W records do not say who received the gun. So Hawk, how would you figure this one, I don't personality know what it would be. Can see it both ways !
>
> Buck Conner
> dba/ Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:33:37 -0700
From: Laurel huber <huberfam@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
I stand corrected on the dates of the activity of the Amish in this country. I should have know better and appreciate the education.
Larry Huber
"Shoots-the-Prairie"
turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
> In reply to your question on the Amish work pants sold by several shops around the country.
>
> >On Wed, 21 April 1999, Laurel huber wrote:
> >I own a pair of Amish pants made out of denim that I use for >everyday knock-about use. They are Broad Fall and have metal rivet >buttons.
>
> These pants are suited for Civil War and later into the westered movement, to late for fur trade. In Hanson's sketch books you'll see drop fronts, but they have a narrow drop, Buck Conner has an original pair of breeches that belonged to Marino Medina that are drop front and Hanson figured they were late 1840's to 1860's - narrow drop front.
>
> >Besides the buttons and fabric, I would not use them for Fur Trade
> >re-enactment because the most often shown examples of trousers I have
> >seen of that period have been Narrow Fall. You start seeing Broad >Falls show up in George Bingham paintings from the late 1840s to the >1850s,Riverboat period.
>
> I am Amish and my relations came here in the mid 1700's to work as farmers to supply the demands of Phila. and other cities on the east coast. We can date our relations back over 300 years, so I don't understand what you are saying. If working and supplying a demand is not active then what is ! Turtle.
>
> >The mid to late 1800s is about the time the Amish started being >active. Maybe the style was available earlier but it couldn't have >been as common. Anyone else on the list have documentation on the >wide spread appearance of the Broad Fall style?
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:51:40 -0700
From: "landis" <aslandis@wa.freei.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Drunks and Nuns O.T.
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