>I have lost Jackie Browns home page. Can some one please tell me the
>address.
http://www.moad.com/jbrown/index.html
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Date: 25 Apr 1999 10:07:54 -0700
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
Mike,
I remember Mrs. Gates saying she was sure those pants belonged to the Medina family and she had looked at hundreds of newspaper pictures for ones like them in the Ft. Collins and Loveland area, and as far as she knew they were the only pair around.
Hanson told Ray Turner (AMM member) that he felt about 98% in favor of these belonging to MM, and being on private property with no public access, no one else was allow on the property other than the Medinas to visit the grave of a family member. He also told me that Medina being a fancy type of man and with his wealth at the time may have even had several pairs of these pants and jackets that matched, but that was just a guess !
Interesting to thing about and like someone said, some of these old boys hung on to the old styles, even if not in fashion.
Turtle.
> On Sun, 25 April 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> ------- Start of forwarded message -------
>
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
> To: hawknest4@juno.com
> From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
> Date: 25 Apr 1999 07:57:37 PDT
>
> Hawk,
>
> One big factor is that Mrs. Gates had a picture of Louie Papa (Medina's step-son) sitting on his white horse around the turn of the century at the grave of his step sister (Lena) on my father-in-laws property, according to the Loveland newspaper he spent many hours in the area that his step-father had hunted and visited.
>
> Some of the old timers said the family would come up after Marino passed on and spend weekends getting away from the heat in town. This is only 6 miles into the foothills from Medina Flats, the pants were probably left by accident on one of these outtings according to Mrs. Gates, an educated guess as she put it.
>
> Buck
>
> > On Sun, 25 April 1999, michael pierce wrote:
> >
> > good data still wonder how you establish that the paints were
> > madenia's---got to have a good thread to link it all to and to
> > positatively establish ownership---not just a supisition---Your story is
> > similar to me and dan anderson finfing a spanish gold mine lost since
Wasn't that at the 100th year annv. of Medina's death, down at the Park the deciated to him - west of town, I remember her saying something about some pants.
Are they the leather breeches that hung in the muzzleloading store at Masonville, Colorado, if so I saw a guy try and buy them and was told they were promised to the Museum of the Fur Trade.
Brother that's been 10-12 years ago, they had some interesting doc. items in that place, where did all that stuff go ?
Powder Hawk
Iowa
> On Sun, 25 April 1999, turtle@uswestmail.net wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I remember Mrs. Gates saying she was sure those pants belonged to the Medina family and she had looked at hundreds of newspaper pictures for ones like them in the Ft. Collins and Loveland area, and as far as she knew they were the only pair around.
> Hanson told Ray Turner (AMM member) that he felt about 98% in favor of these belonging to MM, and being on private property with no public access, no one else was allow on the property other than the Medinas to visit the grave of a family member. He also told me that Medina being a fancy type of man and with his wealth at the time may have even had several pairs of these pants and jackets that matched, but that was just a guess !
> Interesting to thing about and like someone said, some of these old boys hung on to the old styles, even if not in fashion.
> Turtle.
>
> > On Sun, 25 April 1999, buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
> >
> > ------- Start of forwarded message -------
> >
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
> > To: hawknest4@juno.com
> > From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
> > Date: 25 Apr 1999 07:57:37 PDT
> >
> > Hawk,
> >
> > One big factor is that Mrs. Gates had a picture of Louie Papa (Medina's step-son) sitting on his white horse around the turn of the century at the grave of his step sister (Lena) on my father-in-laws property, according to the Loveland newspaper he spent many hours in the area that his step-father had hunted and visited.
> >
> > Some of the old timers said the family would come up after Marino passed on and spend weekends getting away from the heat in town. This is only 6 miles into the foothills from Medina Flats, the pants were probably left by accident on one of these outtings according to Mrs. Gates, an educated guess as she put it.
> >
> > Buck
> >
> > > On Sun, 25 April 1999, michael pierce wrote:
> > >
> > > good data still wonder how you establish that the paints were
> > > madenia's---got to have a good thread to link it all to and to
> > > positatively establish ownership---not just a supisition---Your story is
> > > similar to me and dan anderson finfing a spanish gold mine lost since
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> > ------- End of forwarded message -------
> >
> >
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Date: 25 Apr 1999 10:34:54 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
Ladies, Gentlemen and members of this list, haven't we kicked the "twill pants" around long enought, probably are just about worn out by now.
Lets get on to another subject to research and build our knowledge on. I'm worn out over twill drop fronts and air rifles, you wouldn't believe the amount of e-mail off list I have received on both subjects.
Anybody got some time saving advice for cooking, recipes, camp setup, bugs in camp, things to do when its slow in camp, etc, etc.
Thanks
Buck Conner
dba/Clark & Sons Mercantile, Inc.
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:50:25 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Period Drinking !
Yeah ya'll are wearing me out on those britches. I wasn't gonna say
anything but sense Buck brought it up let's change the subject.
Does anyone have any reciepes for period drinks they would like to share ?
Pendleton
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:50:54 -0700
From: "John W. Stephens" <johns@primarycolor.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
Head for the coolness of the bushes with the Mountain Lamb?
buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
> Anybody got some time saving advice for cooking, recipes, camp setup, bugs in camp, things to do when its slow in camp, etc, etc.n
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 15:32:33 -0400
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
Well, Lanney and I discussed wrastlin' each other in camp..Or rather
someone said they would pay money to watch it.....Might be entertaining.
Just one small point of clarification: Johnson's dictionary is cited to
point out that at this time (1806), the word 'trousers' could also mean
breeches. But narrow-fall trousers were definitely common wear in the
Canadian fur trade before 1821, and in Quebec also.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
agottfre@telusplanet.net
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Date: 25 Apr 1999 16:59:30 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: in our Prayers (OFF TOPIC)-The Article by Billy Graham
Just returned from the Memorial Services for these kids and their families, very hard to just be there, lots of crying, hugging and just people showing support. Lots of big names from the government as well as singers and other caring folks.
The more information the police let out the more this appears to be something that could happen in anyone's school in any part of the free world, hard to believe that kids could get this much stuff together, what the hell were the people around them doing? I'm sure as the case goes on more details will shock us more.
Most Safeway stores are taking donations and have the blue and silver ribbons, will try and get an address for those interested.
Buck Conner
Colorado Territory
_______________________
> On Sun, 25 April 1999, "William S. Jones" wrote:
>
> Here's the article:
>
> April 22 PrayerAlert--Littleton, CO--"When I heard about the tragedy near
> Denver, I was shocked, and in my heart I wept for the students, the
> teachers, and the parents and relatives of those who had been hurt or
> killed. I immediately went to prayer, that God would comfort and strengthen
> them, and give us all some understanding of why this happened.
> Unfortunately, events like this have been happening far too often in America
> during the past few months."
>
> "I have been saddened and deeply moved by the television coverage as this
> situation has unfolded. I agree with those who have remarked that the
> problem is not guns--rather the hearts of people which need to be changed."
>
> "I would add that only God can change hearts. That is the reason Jesus said
> 'You must be born again.' Only God can give us a new nature that is
> demonstrated by love. He revealed His love for the whole human race by
> sending Jesus Christ to die on the cross for our sins."
>
> "At the same time, my heart and prayers also go out especially to the
> parents of those who committed this terrible crime. I am sure their hearts
> are breaking, and they need our compassion and understanding."
>
> As Dr. Graham stated above, guns are not the problem ... people's hearts
> are. As long as we collectively refuse to face our own mortality, and
> maintain the teen-age mentality that we're "bullet-proof", I reckon that The
> Almighty will remain "kicked out" of the schools, and the Ten Commandments
> will never appear on the wall of an American school, or a U.S. Court House
> as long as the Liberal mindset prevails.
>
> I thought of this verse of scripture as I was writing the above:
>
> 2 Chr 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble
> themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways;
> then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal
> their land.
>
> Waffalo
> Hiveranno, AMM # 907
> Past KY Bde. Booshway
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> [mailto:owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
> kestrel@ticon.net
> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 1999 9:52 PM
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Cc: buck.conner@uswestmail.net
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: in our Prayers (OFF TOPIC)
>
>
> Knowing Buck was closest to this of all I know on and off the net I
> forwarded this only to Buck. It's pleasing to see it forwarded to the list
> (and I probably should have sent this to the list). Anyway folks,Billy
> Graham has gone on record (on the net,sorry I don't have his web page handy)
> stating that this is not a problem that stiffer gun control laws will fix!
> Thanks Buck for sending this to the list.
> One other thing,does anyone have a contact for the kids(in Littleton)that
> are making the blue and silver ribbons? I want to send them some money for
> supplies and get a few ribbons for myself.
> Thanks,Jeff Powers
>
> I KNOW the future......GOD WINS!
>
> On 1999-04-24 hist_text@lists.xmission.com said to kestrel@ticon.net
> >X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.0
> >On Sat, 24 April 1999, kestrel@ticon.net wrote:
> >> My name is Jayson Martin from Littleton, Colorado, I would like
> >>for anyone
> >> who reads this to please write their name down. I would like to
> >>send prayers out
> >> to my friends who were in Columbine H.S. I would like everyone to
> >>please say a
> >> prayer for the safety of everyone who was involved in this
> >>terrible tragedy. It
> >> is something that has hurt me today as well as my friends, I'm
> >>grateful for my
> >> safety and their safety. Please Forward this to as many people as
> >>you can, let
> >> us all come together and pray that this tragedy ends soon.
> >> Thank you.
> >> ***Copy this letter, add your name and forward it to as many
> >>people as you know. Thank you.
> >> 1. Jayson L. Martin Littleton, Colorado
> >> 2. Michelle R. Evans Aurora, Colorado - I also had friends
> >>in there 3. Mary Goddard Denver , Colorado
> >> 4. Mike Stratis Denver, Colorado
> >> 5. Bill Hankammer, Colorado Springs CO.
> >> 6. Becky Jo Hersh, Aurora, CO
> >> 7. Katie D. Co,spgs, CO
> >> 8. Ryan S. Monument, CO
> >> 9. Rey Sandoval. Denver, CO
> >> 10. Mike Mcpherren. West Des Moines, Iowa.
> >> 11. Megan Richards Des Moines Iowa
> >> 12. Mary Beth Zieglowsky, Iowa City, IA
> >> 13. Julie Crow, Tipton, IA
> >> 14. Mary Jo Piper, Coralville, IA
> >> 15. Becky Flanegan, Wellman, IA
> >> 16. Kay Scheetz, Coralville, IA
> >> 17. Peggy Timm, Tipton, IA
> >> 18. Tony Timm, Des Moines, IA
> >> 19. Clark Ullerich, Davenport, IA
> >> 20. Sandy Johnson, Denison, IA
> >> 21. Lyle Breaux, Marrero, LA
> >> 22. Sandi Rohrs, Wheeling, IL
> >> 23. Melissa Thommesen, Janesville, WI
> >> 24. Tiffany Powers, Janesville, WI
> >> 25. Jeff Powers, Janesville, WI
> >> 26. Lee Boyer, State College, PA
> >> 27. Buck Conner, Lakewood, CO
> >> 28.
> >> 29.
> >> 30.
> >> 31.
> >> 32.
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Date: 25 Apr 1999 17:10:01 -0700
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period recipes, drinks, camp life
Thanks bud,
anyone got some good fast and easy receipes for period camping.
Buck
> On Sun, 25 April 1999, RANDAL J BUBLITZ wrote:
>
> Buck, I learned a good supper from my Missouri friends while we were on
> a canoe trip. I use it alot now for an easy, filling meal. Potato soup;
> includes potatos, cheese and salt & pepper. Cut a potato in half, start
> shaving ultra thin slices of potato into the pot, gradually making
> thicker slices. Then start dicing potato small, gradually making bigger
> chunks. Add water, and start cooking, stirring often. As the potato
> cooks the thin stuff will turn into broth, the thicker stuff will just
> cook. when done slice cheese on top and stir in as it's melting and as
> you're eating. Season to taste. I find this good, filling and plenty of
> carbohydrates for the physical demands of a trek. Try it, you'll like.
> ps I carry the cheese that is sealed in wax, this will last without
> refridgeration. pps, any one have good sources for smoked bacon,
> sausage, etc... those that don't need refridgeration....Hardtack
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 17:24:32 -0700
From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period recipes, drinks, camp life
Yup,
Got this a while back from Roy Parker and I quote...
"One quart of rum, the juice from 3 oranges and 3
lemons, and the zest of the oranges and lemons. No pulp, and NONE of
the white fiber under the zests! Let the elixer percolate overthe
zests for 2-3 days, add a pint of water, and sugar to taste. Recipe
came from a Virgina almanac back around 1750 via Jerry Young aka
Yellowfoot."
Don't drink no more myself so can't say how it taste.
Medicine Bear <(((><
buck.conner@uswestmail.net wrote:
> Thanks bud,
>
> anyone got some good fast and easy receipes for period camping.
>
> Buck
>
> > On Sun, 25 April 1999, RANDAL J BUBLITZ wrote:
> >
> > Buck, I learned a good supper from my Missouri friends while we were on
> > a canoe trip. I use it alot now for an easy, filling meal. Potato soup;
> > includes potatos, cheese and salt & pepper. Cut a potato in half, start
> > shaving ultra thin slices of potato into the pot, gradually making
> > thicker slices. Then start dicing potato small, gradually making bigger
> > chunks. Add water, and start cooking, stirring often. As the potato
> > cooks the thin stuff will turn into broth, the thicker stuff will just
> > cook. when done slice cheese on top and stir in as it's melting and as
> > you're eating. Season to taste. I find this good, filling and plenty of
> > carbohydrates for the physical demands of a trek. Try it, you'll like.
> > ps I carry the cheese that is sealed in wax, this will last without
> > refridgeration. pps, any one have good sources for smoked bacon,
> > sausage, etc... those that don't need refridgeration....Hardtack
>
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:57:07 -0500
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period recipes, drinks, camp life
For cured bacon call either of two meat packers in Smithfield, Va =
23430...each has a very similar name....one is Smithfield Packing Co, =
Inc , a subsididiary of Smithfield Foods, and they sell Luters (that is =
spelled right -Luter's) Genuine Smithfield Bacon. Call infomationa and =
get both meat packers' names and call them. I think both of them will =
mail you their bacon.....how is that for being cured? I have used both =
brands and both are very good.
Lanney Ratcliff
- ----- Original Message -----=20
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: period recipes, drinks, camp life
> Thanks bud,
>=20
> anyone got some good fast and easy receipes for period camping.
>=20
> Buck
>=20
> > On Sun, 25 April 1999, RANDAL J BUBLITZ wrote:
> >=20
> > Buck, I learned a good supper from my Missouri friends while we =
were on
> > a canoe trip. I use it alot now for an easy, filling meal. Potato =
soup;
> > includes potatos, cheese and salt & pepper. Cut a potato in half, =
start
> > shaving ultra thin slices of potato into the pot, gradually making
> > thicker slices. Then start dicing potato small, gradually making =
bigger
> > chunks. Add water, and start cooking, stirring often. As the =
potato
> > cooks the thin stuff will turn into broth, the thicker stuff will =
just
> > cook. when done slice cheese on top and stir in as it's melting and =
as
> > you're eating. Season to taste. I find this good, filling and =
plenty of
> > carbohydrates for the physical demands of a trek. Try it, you'll =
like.=20
> > ps I carry the cheese that is sealed in wax, this will last without
> > refridgeration. pps, any one have good sources for smoked bacon,
> > sausage, etc... those that don't need refridgeration....Hardtack
>=20
>=20
> Signup for your free USWEST.mail Email account =
http://www.uswestmail.net
>=20
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 20:50:00 -0700
From: Barbara Smith <barbsmth@portland.quik.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Drop Front trousers
Mr/Ms Landis,
Our living history site (HBC Fort Nisqually) volunteer orientation
teaches us that drop front pants were preferred by the HBC folks - the
fly fronts were considered very vulgar and lascivious in 1855. My
experience has been that the men at the Fort wear both broad and narrow
fronts, and twill is a common choice. Many of them are either "costume
nazis" and/or are actually making a living as costumers. I cannot
remember the actual date of broadfall introduction, and we are
portraying 1855 at Ft. Nisqually, so perhaps broadfalls would be
technically inaccurate for a pre-1840 presentation. HOWEVER, I
personally would rather see a newbie (making no inferences about your
status) in broadfalls rather than jeans, or fly-front trousers. If
that's the choice, go with the broadfalls! If you would like a good
source for appropriate trousers - might I recommend these sutlers:
Jas. Townsend - 18th Century Items:
http://www.jastown.com/
Calapooia Traders - sticklers for authenticity and obsessive about
fabric
http://www.proaxis.com/~ctraders/c-traders-2.html
YMDS,
Tassee
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 03:20:04 -0500
From: kestrel@ticon.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: in our Prayers (OFF TOPIC)
>Most Safeway stores are taking donations and have the blue and
>silver ribbons, will try and get an address for those interested.
>Buck Conner
>Colorado Territory
Thanks Again Buck, but since I left Wyoming(21 years ago) I haven't
seen a Safeway Store,unless I get back on the left of the Mississippi River.
Jeff Powers,A mind like a steel trap:Rusty and illegal in 37 states!
I KNOW the future..........GOD WINS!
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 04:23:28 PDT
From: "Bill Jackson" <billjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
Thanks Hardtack, I will use this for my upcoming rondyvoo. Sounds
like a good meal to fix.
MadJack
>From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ <randybublitz@juno.com>
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: twill pants
>Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:35:17 -0700
>
>Buck, I learned a good supper from my Missouri friends while we
were on
>a canoe trip. I use it alot now for an easy, filling meal. Potato
soup;
> includes potatos, cheese and salt & pepper. Cut a potato in half,
start
>shaving ultra thin slices of potato into the pot, gradually making
>thicker slices. Then start dicing potato small, gradually making
bigger
>chunks. Add water, and start cooking, stirring often. As the potato
>cooks the thin stuff will turn into broth, the thicker stuff will
just
>cook. when done slice cheese on top and stir in as it's melting and
as
>you're eating. Season to taste. I find this good, filling and
plenty of
>carbohydrates for the physical demands of a trek. Try it, you'll
like.
>ps I carry the cheese that is sealed in wax, this will last without
>refridgeration. pps, any one have good sources for smoked bacon,
>sausage, etc... those that don't need refridgeration....Hardtack
