It's difficult to determine what the current market value of an item such as
a Hawken rifle would be because they don't come up for sale very often, and
a current selling price is probably the best indicator of value.
Like Hawk said, there are many spurious examples out there, and I wouldn't
be at all suprised to see a good solid example with satisfactory provenance
to sell for 10,000-20,000. The value of any piece that had unique or
otherwise outstanding characteristics would obviously rise accordingly.
I consider myself lucky in the respect that I have been able to merely
handle and examine a number of originals, much less to have an opportunity
to purchase. Hawken guns definitely have a unique appeal that makes them
very desirable and difficult to part with if your fortunate enough to own
one.
From the northwoods,
Tony Clark
- -----Original Message-----
From: Casapy123@aol.com <Casapy123@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 11:46 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Original Hawken
>I have been asked to look into the going prices of an original Hakwen rifle
>in fairly good condition. Anyone have an idea what outrageous prices a
>Hawken is bringing these days?
>
>Jim
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:45:52 -0600
From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: The Last of the Mountain Men
Just read a rather interesting book last week entitled "The Last of the
Mountain Men". Many of you are probably familiar with this book, but for
those who aren't it's about a gentleman named Sylvan Hart who after
graduating college with a degree in engineering decided to
"live like a mountain man" on "the River of No Return" in Idaho. He made,
grew, mined, or hunted virtually everything he needed.
He grew 20 different types of vegetables in his garden. He had a blacksmith
shop that he made most of the tools he needed to manufacture an unbelievable
assortment of goods. Of particular interest are the flintlock and percussion
firearms he made.
In his own words, the only items he brought back on his infrequent trips to
civilization were, "tea, books, and gunpowder".
The handwrought copperware that he manufactured is also very interesting.
A "samovar"(for making tea), creamer, sugar bowls, ladles, pots, lamps, tea
kettles, tea balls (he was a serious tea drinker indulging in dozens of
different varieties) are just a few examples of these items.
I enjoyed the book and I hope others do as well.
From the northwoods,
Tony Clark
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:28:19 EST
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Original Hawken
In a message dated 4/2/99 10:16:48 AM Central Standard Time,
northwoods@ez-net.com writes:
> Like Hawk said, there are many spurious examples out there, and I wouldn't
> be at all suprised to see a good solid example with satisfactory provenance
> to sell for 10,000-20,000. The value of any piece that had unique or
> otherwise outstanding characteristics would obviously rise accordingly.
An original Hawken went for over $30,000 at an auction in Illinois about 1
1/2 years ago.
I have no other info on the specifics. Seem to remember that it was bored
somewhere in the 30 caliber range, and was not a fur trade rifle, but rather
one which was purchased and used by an individual on our side of the
Mississippi.
Dave Kanger
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Date: 2 Apr 1999 08:59:56 -0800
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Last of the Mountain Men
Hart also made the national news when he held off the National Guard when they tried to throw him off federal ground where he lived. I read one report that said he had blown a hole in one of the rafts the NG was using, several years late I asked a friend in the guard if that was true. According to my friend a S/Major, he couldn't confirm whether it was or wasn't a correct statement.
I traded for a knife that was made by Sylvan Hart, it was crude like some of his pistols he had made, but still neat when you consider he had very little to work with, not like craftsman of today.
He was an interesting character and seems to have not backed down from much on anything he had made his mind up on.
Buck
On Fri, 02 April 1999, "northwoods" wrote:
>
> Just read a rather interesting book last week entitled "The Last of the
> Mountain Men". Many of you are probably familiar with this book, but for
> those who aren't it's about a gentleman named Sylvan Hart who after
> graduating college with a degree in engineering decided to
> "live like a mountain man" on "the River of No Return" in Idaho. He made,
> grew, mined, or hunted virtually everything he needed.
> He grew 20 different types of vegetables in his garden. He had a blacksmith
> shop that he made most of the tools he needed to manufacture an unbelievable
> assortment of goods. Of particular interest are the flintlock and percussion
> firearms he made.
> In his own words, the only items he brought back on his infrequent trips to
> civilization were, "tea, books, and gunpowder".
> The handwrought copperware that he manufactured is also very interesting.
> A "samovar"(for making tea), creamer, sugar bowls, ladles, pots, lamps, tea
> kettles, tea balls (he was a serious tea drinker indulging in dozens of
> different varieties) are just a few examples of these items.
> I enjoyed the book and I hope others do as well.
>
> From the northwoods,
>
> Tony Clark
>
>
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Date: 2 Apr 1999 08:59:56 -0800
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The Last of the Mountain Men
Hart also made the national news when he held off the National Guard when they tried to throw him off federal ground where he lived. I read one report that said he had blown a hole in one of the rafts the NG was using, several years late I asked a friend in the guard if that was true. According to my friend a S/Major, he couldn't confirm whether it was or wasn't a correct statement.
I traded for a knife that was made by Sylvan Hart, it was crude like some of his pistols he had made, but still neat when you consider he had very little to work with, not like craftsman of today.
He was an interesting character and seems to have not backed down from much on anything he had made his mind up on.
Buck
On Fri, 02 April 1999, "northwoods" wrote:
>
> Just read a rather interesting book last week entitled "The Last of the
> Mountain Men". Many of you are probably familiar with this book, but for
> those who aren't it's about a gentleman named Sylvan Hart who after
> graduating college with a degree in engineering decided to
> "live like a mountain man" on "the River of No Return" in Idaho. He made,
> grew, mined, or hunted virtually everything he needed.
> He grew 20 different types of vegetables in his garden. He had a blacksmith
> shop that he made most of the tools he needed to manufacture an unbelievable
> assortment of goods. Of particular interest are the flintlock and percussion
> firearms he made.
> In his own words, the only items he brought back on his infrequent trips to
> civilization were, "tea, books, and gunpowder".
> The handwrought copperware that he manufactured is also very interesting.
> A "samovar"(for making tea), creamer, sugar bowls, ladles, pots, lamps, tea
> kettles, tea balls (he was a serious tea drinker indulging in dozens of
> different varieties) are just a few examples of these items.
> I enjoyed the book and I hope others do as well.
>
> From the northwoods,
>
> Tony Clark
>
>
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:47:55 EST
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Original Hawken
On Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:19:19 -0600 "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
writes:
>It's difficult to determine what the current market value of an item
>such as
>a Hawken rifle would be because they don't come up for sale very
>often, and
>a current selling price is probably the best indicator of value.
>Like Hawk said, there are many spurious examples out there, and I
>wouldn't
>be at all suprised to see a good solid example with satisfactory
>provenance
>to sell for 10,000-20,000.
I wouldn't part with mine for that price but thats me---------and i
havent seen one come up for sail per-say in many years--most are promised
if they are going to transfer ownership---saw a junker sell for $12,500
back about 15 years ago---went to kieth Newbyer to be restored prior to
sale ---did a hell of a job---he is probably the best in the restoration
businessat that time--- you can't find one of his repairs---the one i am
speaking of had a lot of bad and missing wood and came from north dekota
off of the indian reservation--was in real sad shape but after
restoration sold for $12,500 so that will give you a hint---the gun is
now located in st louis in a privet collection---have seen it a couple of
>Can you cast any light on what a good food safe oil for oiling wooden bo=
wls
>might be?
>
>Todd Glover
>=20
Todd,
My first suggestion is the Wood Food Oyl I make. See my web site for inf=
o,
write or call.
The problem with most oils is they turn rancid, including olive (sweet) o=
il.=20
When oils turn rancid they also get hard, gummy and difficult to remove.
Since
there is such a limited category of what really will work well, I have ke=
pt
the
information proprietary; there is a good clue in an old posting.
Olive oil isn't really bad (it is far from the worst, mineral oil) if you=
use
the piece regularly and wash it in hot soapy water and a scalding rinse e=
ach
time it will balance out nicely. Replenish as needed. The oil is to all=
ow
thorough washing to keep things clean. It will wash out a bit over time =
and
require refreshment. Over time it will become more and more resistant to
washing.
John...
John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0
Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<<
<http://www.kramerize.com/>
mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com>=20
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:56:00 -0600
From: Mike Rock <mikerock@mhtc.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #274
By the way, that barrel was part of a pile of burned(possibly-they were
not bent) weapons, trade guns, one saber, stone heads, beads, etc.
items. It was presumed the cavalry burned them. Up in NW South Dakota
another pile of goods was found in the fifties that contained cavalry
insignia. Battle of Reva Gap. Fellow was using a jeep with Korean war
Mine detectors rigged in a line across the front.
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:45:28 -0600
From: Mike Rock <mikerock@mhtc.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #274
A barrel and lock were found in the Badlands of SD in the twenties.
Moderately badly rusted. No furniture. Charlie said it looked good.
Bob Benton in Custer had a 'maybe' at one time.
I have a Large Barreled copy of the Modena rifle that wouldn't sell for
any price. Built by Mickey Christian.
Don't use cooking oil. Man, it gets rancid and is hard to get out. Made
a noggin in '71 and it hung on my pouch. Finally got to taste ok in
mid70's and havent touched it since. Walnut oil is good and so is
peanut oil.
by the way, honey and almost any natural oil is mixed it a pot in open
wards in SE Asia (wanna guess where?) and put on wounds with a bandage
to hold it in place. Changed daily, wound heals quickly and cleany, no
debridement necassary. Hydrogen peroxide is decomposition product of
homey, as well as other 'good things' that I can't name. Used as far
back as ancient Egypt. Try it and be amazed too. Makes 'ring burns"
much less scary. No deep scarring.
Rock
This list is great. What others are out here like this one? How many
members does this list have?
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Date: 2 Apr 1999 12:49:42 -0800
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fwd: Re: HAWKEN
- ------- Start of forwarded message -------
Subject: Re: HAWKEN
To: hawknest4@juno.com
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Date: 02 Apr 1999 12:40:20 PST
Hawk,
Like I said these were parts and an easy 25 years ago, Hanson was real excited about the gift. Charley and my father had become friends and were always giving each other items that they were not, themselves interested in.
For example: Dad gave Charley the Hawken parts.
Several trigger guards
thimbles - entry pipes
double triggers
toe plates
butt plates
one complete lock
misc lock parts
sideplates
nose caps
misc screws
There was enought to build at least one gun maybe two, but no barrels, breech plugs or wood. These parts had been purchased on the east coast (I was told these were from old guns that were junk that Bannerman Brothers offered).
We were always getting boxes of gun parts from them, at the time several of my father's friends were involved with Valley Forge Historical Society and were rebuilding guns for that period in our basement, so screws were screws, ramrod tips, and many little pieces would work, as were other parts that could be fitted onto these weapons in getting them ready for the different displays. (a half dozen gentlemen had keys to our basement of gun parts,I would bring my friends in to see all the neat stuff, most everyone saw it as a bunch of junk other than my father
and his friends).
At one time my Dad had over 300 guns most were muzzleloaders all original, some were 75-80% guns and others were in poor to good condition, I got these at time of his passing and have now gotten down to 35-40 weapons in 85-90% NRA very good condition. Most are flint with 3-4 prec. cap guns and only 4 that are cart. rimfire or centerfire. No Hawken rifles as we are talking about, would consider an early Hawken like what the boys father would have made.
Sad but back in the 1940's and 50's old gun parts were considered junk by most, as I'm sure you know. Think the Hawken stuff was gone over many times and used as needed, what Hanson got was stuff that won't fit another weapon.
Now if you want to talk about tradeguns or Leman's stuff, I have handled and owned a few of them, now kick myself for selling a well used H.E.Leman trade rifle that ended up restored and is beautiful. Have lost track of it as it has passed through several hands in the last few years and the price just keeps doubling everytime.
Buck
I'm going to pass this on to the history list they may find this interesting and may learn something about keeping their eyes open at gun shows and gun shops. Old gun parts are more valuable now than ever before.
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Date: 2 Apr 1999 13:05:57 -0800
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Honey
Rock,
You mentioning honey; we were on a month canoe trip and one day after fighting a strong wind and ruff water (making only 10-12 miles in about that many hours), we beached and were laying on the warm sand.
One of our members just got back from SE Asia and told us about honey being used to embomb bodies until they could be taken care of, said the honey was cheap - 25 cents a pound. Could be boiled down cleaned and reused ? Now this gentleman is Mr.Cheap by all means and anyone that knows "Rover" will agree.
We're laying there on the sand with our butts kicked from such a hard days paddling, nobody can even move to get water or anything else, after a period "Rover" reaches in his pouch and produces some hardtack and a small can of honey.
It took a few minutes to figure if we had been setup or not with his story, then decided, what the hell we need something to get us moving and ate the hardtack and honey. Within a half hour we were able to start moving and ate more honey !!
Buck
> by the way, honey and almost any natural oil is mixed it a pot in open
> wards in SE Asia (wanna guess where?) and put on wounds with a bandage
> to hold it in place. Changed daily, wound heals quickly and cleany, no
> debridement necassary. Hydrogen peroxide is decomposition product of
> homey, as well as other 'good things' that I can't name. Used as far
> back as ancient Egypt. Try it and be amazed too. Makes 'ring burns"
> much less scary. No deep scarring.
>
> Rock
> This list is great. What others are out here like this one? How many
> members does this list have?
>
>
>
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Date: 2 Apr 1999 13:05:57 -0800
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Honey
Rock,
You mentioning honey; we were on a month canoe trip and one day after fighting a strong wind and ruff water (making only 10-12 miles in about that many hours), we beached and were laying on the warm sand.
One of our members just got back from SE Asia and told us about honey being used to embomb bodies until they could be taken care of, said the honey was cheap - 25 cents a pound. Could be boiled down cleaned and reused ? Now this gentleman is Mr.Cheap by all means and anyone that knows "Rover" will agree.
We're laying there on the sand with our butts kicked from such a hard days paddling, nobody can even move to get water or anything else, after a period "Rover" reaches in his pouch and produces some hardtack and a small can of honey.
It took a few minutes to figure if we had been setup or not with his story, then decided, what the hell we need something to get us moving and ate the hardtack and honey. Within a half hour we were able to start moving and ate more honey !!
Buck
> by the way, honey and almost any natural oil is mixed it a pot in open
> wards in SE Asia (wanna guess where?) and put on wounds with a bandage
> to hold it in place. Changed daily, wound heals quickly and cleany, no
> debridement necassary. Hydrogen peroxide is decomposition product of
> homey, as well as other 'good things' that I can't name. Used as far
> back as ancient Egypt. Try it and be amazed too. Makes 'ring burns"
> much less scary. No deep scarring.
>
> Rock
> This list is great. What others are out here like this one? How many
> members does this list have?
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:53:08 EST
From: Pulakabayo@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Military rifle (was Bayonetting a bear?)
I was looking through the Dixie catalog and think the Harpers Ferry rifle
would fit the bill -- Dixie makes a point that it was an issue rifle for the
Lewis & Clark Expedition. Only thing is that the Dixie one does not take a
bayonet. Anyone know if the originals did?
Thanks,
Jim
> Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly had an article by Charley many years ago
> that referred to many of the guns in the Fur Trade as being military, so
your
> guess to being military is probably close to being correct. There were many
"
> contract" rifles that used a bayonet attachment, if you had such a weapon
and
> had the bayonet, why not use it.
>
> Buck
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:40:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Vic Barkin <Victor.Barkin@NAU.EDU>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Honey
Honey, it is said NEVER goes rancid or molds!
Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin
AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
"Aux aliments du pays!"
Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:36:37 GMT
From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker)
Subject: MtMan-List: Old Letters
I have recently swapped email with a gentleman who dabbles in old
stamps, letters, documents, etc (stampless letter =3D prior to 1847).
He gave me permission to pass on the following.=20
If you want to contact him directly, he's at rustysmaps@aol.com .
Anyone interested in historical cartography ought to toss him an email
Rusty said...
We also can supply Bear Grease, pints($10 & 1/2 pints($5), rendered it
myself, from a buddy's Fall 1998 hunt. Used it to cook flapjack during
our 3rd season elk hunt. Plus it has the other uses, waterproofing,
axel grease, slick your hair back, etc.=20
Recently got an old stampless letter from 1831, In New Orleans rum was
1.25 a gallon, Whiskey 32c, and bear's oil 1.25. I can get you a
photo copy of the 2 page pricelist from Dec 31, 1831 I recently
acquired. The mail route from new orleans to Boston was loaded with
prices on all goods, furs, etc.
Rusty Morse
Colorado's Historical cartographer since 1969
Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including =
"BS".
1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 21:44:45 EST
From: Traphand@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Letters
would love to get price list from you.
rick petzoldt
1318 greenmist
fenton mo 63026
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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 00:14:16 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
Frans Jurgens wrote:
>
> Besides being an expensive oil, you may want to check on the suitability of olive
> oil for wooden bowls. While living in Europe in the eighties, I read somewhere to
> avoid applying it in wooden vessels such as a salad bowl (naturally I forget the
> reason), and I have avoided doing so ever since.
If it's going to be used around food, olive oil is the only thing I'll use.
We've never had a problem with it.
Fred
- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 02:06:31 EST
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
been using olive oil for years on both noggins and utensils, and it works
great. never been sticky or gone rancid, and you've probably got a bottle in
your kitchen cupboard... MHO, Barney Fife
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Date: 3 Apr 1999 06:46:46 -0800
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
Hey Boys,
Lets move on, seems everyone is in agreement that olive oil or walnut oil works, so make your selection and use what you like.
Turtle
_____________
On Fri, 02 April 1999, RR1LA@aol.com wrote:
>
> been using olive oil for years on both noggins and utensils, and it works
> great. never been sticky or gone rancid, and you've probably got a bottle in
> your kitchen cupboard... MHO, Barney Fife
>
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Date: 3 Apr 1999 06:46:46 -0800
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
Hey Boys,
Lets move on, seems everyone is in agreement that olive oil or walnut oil works, so make your selection and use what you like.
Turtle
_____________
On Fri, 02 April 1999, RR1LA@aol.com wrote:
>
> been using olive oil for years on both noggins and utensils, and it works
> great. never been sticky or gone rancid, and you've probably got a bottle in
> your kitchen cupboard... MHO, Barney Fife
>
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>Lets move on, seems everyone is in agreement that olive oil or walnut =
oil works, so make your selection and use what you like.
>
>Turtle
>_____________
>
>On Fri, 02 April 1999, RR1LA@aol.com wrote:
>
>>=20
>> been using olive oil for years on both noggins and utensils, and it =
works=20
>> great. never been sticky or gone rancid, and you've probably got a =
bottle in=20
>> your kitchen cupboard... MHO, Barney Fife
>>=20
>
>
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Date: 3 Apr 1999 06:54:53 -0800
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Honey
Honey will turn hard into a crystal form, but can be heated in it's container sitting in a pan of water, bringing to a boil then remove and let cool. It's now good as new in it's original state. Have done this several times on a can of honey that was 4-5 years old and have had no problems. Think how much honey has been trashed because it had turned to crystal !
Like Vic says I have been around bees and honey for a few years and have had no experience with it becoming rancid or molding. Many excellent health benefits from a natural product of nature.
Turtle
___________________
On Fri, 02 April 1999, Vic Barkin wrote:
>
> Honey, it is said NEVER goes rancid or molds!
>
> Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin
>
> AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
> "Aux aliments du pays!"
>
> Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
> Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998
>
>
>
>
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Date: 3 Apr 1999 06:54:53 -0800
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Honey
Honey will turn hard into a crystal form, but can be heated in it's container sitting in a pan of water, bringing to a boil then remove and let cool. It's now good as new in it's original state. Have done this several times on a can of honey that was 4-5 years old and have had no problems. Think how much honey has been trashed because it had turned to crystal !
Like Vic says I have been around bees and honey for a few years and have had no experience with it becoming rancid or molding. Many excellent health benefits from a natural product of nature.
Turtle
___________________
On Fri, 02 April 1999, Vic Barkin wrote:
>
> Honey, it is said NEVER goes rancid or molds!
>
> Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin
>
> AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
> "Aux aliments du pays!"
>
> Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
> Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 1999 09:06:13 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Honey
Before heating that crystalized honey to return it to a liquid state, =
try using it as is. When I find honey that has crystalized I react =
like I have found money on the ground. It rarely gets particularly hard =
(maybe as hard as peanut butter, if that hard), adds a different texture =
and is still delicious. It can be carried in a tin with much less =
chance of leakage than when it is in its liquid state. In fact I wish I =
knew how to make honey crystalize other than sitting it in a cupboard =
>Honey will turn hard into a crystal form, but can be heated in it's =
container sitting in a pan of water, bringing to a boil then remove and =
let cool. It's now good as new in it's original state. Have done this =
several times on a can of honey that was 4-5 years old and have had no =
problems. Think how much honey has been trashed because it had turned to =
crystal !
>
>Like Vic says I have been around bees and honey for a few years and =
have had no experience with it becoming rancid or molding. Many =
excellent health benefits from a natural product of nature.
>
>Turtle
>___________________
>On Fri, 02 April 1999, Vic Barkin wrote:
>
>>=20
>> Honey, it is said NEVER goes rancid or molds!
>>=20
>> Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin
>>=20
>> AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
>> "Aux aliments du pays!"
>>=20
>> Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
>> Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>
>
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Date: 3 Apr 1999 07:09:08 -0800
From: <turtle@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Military rifle (was Bayonetting a bear?)
I have seen article in American Riflemen of "contract" rifles of the Amer. Rev. War and before showing lug arrangements on the end of barrels, a combination affair that included a sight.
Jim,
Buck Conner had a Mississippi Musket, early 1807-1812 peiod that had such an arrangement for a bayonet, funny he didn't mention it. He had it for sale at Raton along with a dozen other originals about 4 years ago, maybe someone on this hist_list was the lucky person that beat me out on getting it.
If Buck turns loose of any other originals let's hope he puts a list on this hist_list, he has sold some good ones over the years. I asked him once why he was doing such a house cleaning and he answered "if you clean a gun a day, with a little time to play with it, I only 43 days left in the year for other interests", I guess that says it all. Buck, if your listening and have some items to move let us know, or at least tell us what and where you'll be seting up the table.
Turtle
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>
> I was looking through the Dixie catalog and think the Harpers Ferry rifle
> would fit the bill -- Dixie makes a point that it was an issue rifle for the
> Lewis & Clark Expedition. Only thing is that the Dixie one does not take a
> bayonet. Anyone know if the originals did?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> > Museum of the Fur Trade Quarterly had an article by Charley many years ago
> > that referred to many of the guns in the Fur Trade as being military, so
> your
> > guess to being military is probably close to being correct. There were many
> "
> > contract" rifles that used a bayonet attachment, if you had such a weapon
> and
> > had the bayonet, why not use it.
> >
> > Buck
>
>
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