I asked my wife, and she tells me walnut oil, apricot kernel oil, sunflower
oil, etc... She is an herbalist and knows much about this as she uses the
walnut oil on our wooden bowls.
Addison Miller
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From: TetonTod@aol.com <TetonTod@aol.com>
To: hist_text@xmission.com <hist_text@xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 5:55 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
>Hey there John Kramer:
>
>Can you cast any light on what a good food safe oil for oiling wooden bowls
>might be?
>
>Todd Glover
>
>
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 19:17:18 EST
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
...don't forget Olive Oil. Been used for thousands of years, works great,
brings out the grain and adds a wonderful luster to the wood. YHS, Barney
Fife
------------------------------
Date: 31 Mar 1999 17:23:21 -0800
From: <powderhawk@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
Buck at Clark & Sons Mercantile has Haines walnut oil @ $ 3.35 and Haines canola oil @ $ 2.15 both in 12.7 oz. bottles, just got some for same purpose several weeks ago.
Powderhawk
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>
> ...don't forget Olive Oil. Been used for thousands of years, works great,
> brings out the grain and adds a wonderful luster to the wood. YHS, Barney
> Fife
>
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Date: 31 Mar 1999 17:23:21 -0800
From: <powderhawk@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
Buck at Clark & Sons Mercantile has Haines walnut oil @ $ 3.35 and Haines canola oil @ $ 2.15 both in 12.7 oz. bottles, just got some for same purpose several weeks ago.
Powderhawk
____________________________
On Wed, 31 March 1999, RR1LA@aol.com wrote:
>
> ...don't forget Olive Oil. Been used for thousands of years, works great,
> brings out the grain and adds a wonderful luster to the wood. YHS, Barney
> Fife
>
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 01:48:12 GMT
From: rparker7@ix.netcom.com (Roy Parker)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
I do a bit of woodworking on the side. Two of the most highly
recommended oils on rec.woodturning are mineral oil and walnut oil.
Both protect the wood, and neither go rancid like some of the
vegetable oils can. I have no experience with walnut oil, but
corn/safflour oil will go rancid in dutch ovens. I've used mineral
oil on many wooden bowls with no problem.
I've bought some walnut oil to try on the next bowls I turn, so we'll
see how it does.
On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:39:51 EST, you wrote:
>Hey there John Kramer:
>
>Can you cast any light on what a good food safe oil for oiling wooden =
bowls
>might be?
>
>Todd Glover
>
Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including =
"BS".
1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:17:37 -0500
From: "sean" <sean@peganet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
If local shops don't have Walnut Oil, try http://meadowsweet.com Its an
online store that has great herbal stuff and accessories, and carries the
walnut oil, apricot kernel oil, etc...
Addison Miller
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roy Parker <rparker7@ix.netcom.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
>I do a bit of woodworking on the side. Two of the most highly
>recommended oils on rec.woodturning are mineral oil and walnut oil.
>Both protect the wood, and neither go rancid like some of the
>vegetable oils can. I have no experience with walnut oil, but
>corn/safflour oil will go rancid in dutch ovens. I've used mineral
>oil on many wooden bowls with no problem.
>
>I've bought some walnut oil to try on the next bowls I turn, so we'll
>see how it does.
>
>
>On Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:39:51 EST, you wrote:
>
>>Hey there John Kramer:
>>
>>Can you cast any light on what a good food safe oil for oiling wooden
bowls
>>might be?
>>
>>Todd Glover
>>
>
>Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including
"BS".
>1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:13:57 -0500 (EST)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: mtman list: wild horse training
don't rush anything that could come back to sting ye. any big flaw in
training will show itself as a corresponding flaw in yer animal -
especially when the animal is under stress (jumping logs or crossing
water filled ditchs or passing fires). Jes take her slow and easy like
Monty.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:18:55 -0600
From: John Dearing <jdearing@mail.theriver.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: bears & bayonets
>
> >During the mid 1800's, there was a group of men who hunted Griz in the cane
> >brakes with hounds, and then would finish with knives that were about a couple
> >feet long (if memory serves). It was not a stop gap: it was the preferred
> >tool, for these men. There was an article in Blade Magazine 10 years ago;
> >and several books on hounds and hunters mention it.
> >Kinda like bayonets w/o the gun. Maybe the the Arkansas Toothpick really was
> >a toothpick- for Griz.
I saw that article, and understood that this type of bear hunting was popular in the
South Eastern US...not in grizz country. I would not want to own dogs that could
hold their own with a grizz. I'm just not man enough to handle dogs that big. ;-) J.D.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 20:01:43 -0800
From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mtman list: wild horse training
Monty,
Thanks for the input. Slow and easy is my intent with all the love and
patients it will take.
Will keep the thread posted.
John Funk
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From: JON MARINETTI <JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net>
To: hist_text@xmission.com <hist_text@xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 31, 1999 8:06 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: mtman list: wild horse training
don't rush anything that could come back to sting ye. any big flaw in
training will show itself as a corresponding flaw in yer animal -
especially when the animal is under stress (jumping logs or crossing
water filled ditchs or passing fires). Jes take her slow and easy like
Monty.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 22:51:33 -0500
From: Terry VanDerLinden <tlvande@ibm.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Food Safe oil
Todd,
I am a high school wood shop teacher in NY state. Just getting into
thebuckskinning thing. But I do know woodworking. The best food safe
oil I know is Danish oil finish. Given several (6 or so ) coats of the
oil and letting it dry for 24 to 48 hours will work. I have used it on
a baby craddle and othe r sensitive items,
Swiftarrow
- --
Terry VanDerLinden
119 Webster Road
Spencerport, NY 14559
email: tlvande@ibm.net
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:08:49 -0500
From: Frans Jurgens <fjurgens@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Food Safe Oil
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Besides being an expensive oil, you may want to check on the suitability of olive
oil for wooden bowls. While living in Europe in the eighties, I read somewhere to
avoid applying it in wooden vessels such as a salad bowl (naturally I forget the
reason), and I have avoided doing so ever since.
Frans Jurgens
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:19:44 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <cstmzd@ida.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Canvas waterproofing
Hello the list:
A local company here in ID has developed a canvas waterproofing that is
water based. You mix a quart of "Outfitter's Tent Treatment" with 1 gal of
water and use a sprayer to apply. I purchased some, about $14 a quart= 10' x
10' area coverage, but have not been out in the wet to test it yet. It does
not dry completely tack free, so they suggest you dust it with talcum or
unscented baby powder, otherwise the dust will stick to it.
This is a "closed" page for only those who are a member of this list...
Addison Miller
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:26:58 -0600
From: James A Lindberg <jal@sgi.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Dutch oven cooking show
I may have posted this before:
The official name for the show is "Dutch Oven & Camp Cooking" and
it is
a production of KWSU media at PO Box 642530, Pullman, Washington
99164-2530. The NOLA Code that we here at PBS use to identify
programs is "DUOC 101-108" and it feeds on Saturday mornings starting on
March 27 (last week) for 8 weeks at I beleive 10am Central time. The
host
for this 8 part series is C.W. "Butch" Welch. The producers have given
unlimited use rights and school re-record rights so you can record the
program and show it.
The companion cookbook is supposed to be available for purchase at
$18.98 and a special video is also available for $19.95 or get both for
$35.98 at 1-800-883-0124.
The titles for the shows in the series are:
#101 Down home catfish fry
#102 Rosemary roast and more
#103 Backwoods fast food
#104 South of the border fiesta
#105 Hearty backwoods Dutch oven breakfast
#106 Aluminum foil dinners
#107 Yankee chilli and the fixin's
#108 Sourdough pancakes and more
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 10:00:23 -0500
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Original Hawken
That was a great posting. I learned more about Hawkens in a few moments of
this essay than in all the books I have looked read. Thanks for the history
of the gun. Glad you live in my state.
Linda Holley
hawknest4@juno.com wrote:
> whose Hawken are you speaking of?????? I know most of them out
> there---I have originals myself---don steath has 2 kip rap has 3 and the
> hawkins shop in wa state has some but questionable as to being
> originals--ed white has one chuck pengry has one but it is not totally
> original--there is 5 or 6 in the museum in st louis there is one in
------------------------------
Date: 2 Apr 1999 08:12:12 -0800
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Original Hawken
Michael,
A few years ago when Charley was still at the Museum of the Fur Trade, there was an old Hawken on display. My father 25 years ago gave Charley a box of Hawken parts (lock, butt plate, triggers & guard, most of the screws, etc.) mainly missing the wood and a barrel - breech plug. This was a collection of parts from 2 or 3 junkers he had collected over the years before the Baird books, and most people weren't into broken arms. Maybe that's what the gun is at the museum, built from those parts ???
Buck
On Thu, 01 April 1999, hawknest4@juno.com wrote:
>
> whose Hawken are you speaking of?????? I know most of them out
> there---I have originals myself---don steath has 2 kip rap has 3 and the
> hawkins shop in wa state has some but questionable as to being
> originals--ed white has one chuck pengry has one but it is not totally
> original--there is 5 or 6 in the museum in st louis there is one in
> helena montana (the briger gun) there is one that was owned by orval
> dunham family, there is the kit carson gun, there is a couple that was in
> the leonord collection, there is one owned by dawson, there is the madena
> rifle, there is one in the colorado historical museum, 2 in smithsonian,
> there is one or more in the lour collection, there is one owned by
> peterson, and about 5 or 6 more out there that are validated to be
> original---be wary---lot of fakes out ther---most people that own them if
> they are documented don't want to sell them and if something happens to
> them they are willed to someone or to a museum as such---there was also
> one that was in croften nebraska don't remember the owners name and one
> that was in california---andy fauntree i thank could expand on the one
> that was in california---I believe he held and fondled it one time or
> another don't know if it can be traced and validated as original---there
> is also one or more in the davis collection in clarimore oklahoma if i
> remember correctly---Ed white in alaska had some barrels that he found in
> alaska that were stamped hawkens---don't know what ever happened to
> them---said that were made into mining chizzles---or that is the way the
> story goes---might also check with don king ---he has held and fondled a
> few of them if i am not mistaken
>
> bill large had the original stamp at one time and believe he popped a
> couple of barrels with the original stamp---those were sent to the st
> louis area---?????? long story there for sure---watch out for cherry
> corners parts---or slant breaches that don't have the proper angle-or
> triggers with any markings on them--hawkens only used one specific angle
> for his slant breach's---hawkens also made a few squirrel rifles---don
> steith has one with brass furniture and stamped not the standard hawkens
> trigger guard---or butt plate
>
> there are also several William Hawkens flint guns out there---father of
> jake and sam---all three of them worked at harpers ferry at one time or
> another around 1790 to 1805---thus the contours of the hawkens being
> similar to the 1803 harpers ferry gun with a english sporting rifle butt
> and trigger guard---
>
> Jake and sam combined the good features of the 1803 and the english
> sporting rifle and walla---the hawken rifle was made for the fur
> trade---only my impression but track the facts---you will come to that
> conclusion also---takes a lot of digging into a lot of documentation---
>
> you can see a lot of the hawkens rifles in John beards books.
>
> 1. the hawkens rifle then mountain man's choice--isbn 0-912420-00-6
> 2. fifteen years in the hawkens lode isbn 0-912420-01-4
> 3. the plains rifle by hanson isbn 0-088227-015x 1978
>
> the museum of the fur trade has a book or pamphlet out that shows
> pictures of a couple of them don't remember the name of the pamphlet or
> book got it around here somewhere but can lay my hand on it right
> now---hanson i believe owned one at one time but it was a but
> questionable that it was completely original---
>
> the museum in st louis has several hawkiens, and gemner guns--these came
> from the hawkens and gemner familys and from a owner that lived in or
> around the st louis area and from a man in texas who donated one to the
> museum ---
> there is also several hawkens in england---2 in privet collections and a
> couple in the museum in london--these are not shown in most of the
> writings on hawkens
>
> NOTE: if you are planning on trying to buy one get the history of the
> gun---most that are around now days can be traced back a ways--- that its
> a fact---not just that they appeared out of nowhere or out of someone's
> attic---most people that own them will not put a price on them---I know i
> would not---got a offer to sell my half stock several years ago and i
> laughed at them---(darn good offer) my statement was they aint eating
> anything and not costing me nothing believe i need to keep um. mine has
> a place if anything ever happens to me---
>
> there is several hawkens pistols out there also---most large caliber
> and used the same breach plug and tang as the rifle ---bent to form the
> pistol grip--ramrod was steel and had a swivel on it and was attached to
> the muzzle of the gun----good picture of this in beards book---
>
> if you have any questions about hawkins give me a shout offline---I aint
> no expert but have fondled a few of them in my
> time---again---beware---lots of fakes or copies out there---today a good
> custom hawkens with good barrel, lock and fine to extra fine wood will
> bring from $1500 to $2,500 from a known maker---Bob Reeves who is dead
> made several outstanding copies he lived in lancaster california---most
> of the people who have bob's guns wont part with them for the above
> price--pappy biggs has a match pair one in 50 and one in 54 back in the
> early 60's and he gave over $600 for them from bob at that time--so you
> could probably multiply todays prices times ten or more and you would
> probably come somewhere close to what an appraised value for one would be
> if it is original---haven't seen many hawkens with straight grain wood
> except for full stocks and a couple or three half stocks---some of them
> are walnut but most were hard maple---not soft or sugar maple---look
> inside the lock and under the butplate and you will get a good hint as to
> their originality---also check around the nipple area for burn out or
> age---if they have a patch box which a couple of them had look inside the
> patch box---cant duplicate the age in ther---takes many years to get that
> effect---hard to fake---also the but plates on the early hawkens were
> made from 2 pieces of metal and brazed together--if it's early gun and
> doesn't have a brazed butplate it's a copy---
>
> hope i have been some assistance to you even if i have meandered a
> lot----just think the original price was 25 to 50 dollars almost half a
> years wages at that time---small calibers were from 5 to 10 dollars
> according to some of the invoices that i have seen---some of the specials
> were even more---hoffman and cambell and another guy who worked in the
> hawkens shop did engravings on a couple of them---gemner also made and
> stamped a few hawkens---not all plains rifles---a couple of shotguns have
> been seen with a s hawkens stamp---but most died in the wool hawkens
> people thank they were faked at a later date to add value to a unmarked
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Date: 2 Apr 1999 08:12:12 -0800
From: <buck.conner@uswestmail.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Original Hawken
Michael,
A few years ago when Charley was still at the Museum of the Fur Trade, there was an old Hawken on display. My father 25 years ago gave Charley a box of Hawken parts (lock, butt plate, triggers & guard, most of the screws, etc.) mainly missing the wood and a barrel - breech plug. This was a collection of parts from 2 or 3 junkers he had collected over the years before the Baird books, and most people weren't into broken arms. Maybe that's what the gun is at the museum, built from those parts ???
Buck
On Thu, 01 April 1999, hawknest4@juno.com wrote:
>
> whose Hawken are you speaking of?????? I know most of them out
> there---I have originals myself---don steath has 2 kip rap has 3 and the
> hawkins shop in wa state has some but questionable as to being
> originals--ed white has one chuck pengry has one but it is not totally
> original--there is 5 or 6 in the museum in st louis there is one in
> helena montana (the briger gun) there is one that was owned by orval
> dunham family, there is the kit carson gun, there is a couple that was in
> the leonord collection, there is one owned by dawson, there is the madena
> rifle, there is one in the colorado historical museum, 2 in smithsonian,
> there is one or more in the lour collection, there is one owned by
> peterson, and about 5 or 6 more out there that are validated to be
> original---be wary---lot of fakes out ther---most people that own them if
> they are documented don't want to sell them and if something happens to
> them they are willed to someone or to a museum as such---there was also
> one that was in croften nebraska don't remember the owners name and one
> that was in california---andy fauntree i thank could expand on the one
> that was in california---I believe he held and fondled it one time or
> another don't know if it can be traced and validated as original---there
> is also one or more in the davis collection in clarimore oklahoma if i
> remember correctly---Ed white in alaska had some barrels that he found in
> alaska that were stamped hawkens---don't know what ever happened to
> them---said that were made into mining chizzles---or that is the way the
> story goes---might also check with don king ---he has held and fondled a
> few of them if i am not mistaken
>
> bill large had the original stamp at one time and believe he popped a
> couple of barrels with the original stamp---those were sent to the st
> louis area---?????? long story there for sure---watch out for cherry
> corners parts---or slant breaches that don't have the proper angle-or
> triggers with any markings on them--hawkens only used one specific angle
> for his slant breach's---hawkens also made a few squirrel rifles---don
> steith has one with brass furniture and stamped not the standard hawkens
> trigger guard---or butt plate
>
> there are also several William Hawkens flint guns out there---father of
> jake and sam---all three of them worked at harpers ferry at one time or
> another around 1790 to 1805---thus the contours of the hawkens being
> similar to the 1803 harpers ferry gun with a english sporting rifle butt
> and trigger guard---
>
> Jake and sam combined the good features of the 1803 and the english
> sporting rifle and walla---the hawken rifle was made for the fur
> trade---only my impression but track the facts---you will come to that
> conclusion also---takes a lot of digging into a lot of documentation---
>
> you can see a lot of the hawkens rifles in John beards books.
>
> 1. the hawkens rifle then mountain man's choice--isbn 0-912420-00-6
> 2. fifteen years in the hawkens lode isbn 0-912420-01-4
> 3. the plains rifle by hanson isbn 0-088227-015x 1978
>
> the museum of the fur trade has a book or pamphlet out that shows
> pictures of a couple of them don't remember the name of the pamphlet or
> book got it around here somewhere but can lay my hand on it right
> now---hanson i believe owned one at one time but it was a but
> questionable that it was completely original---
>
> the museum in st louis has several hawkiens, and gemner guns--these came
> from the hawkens and gemner familys and from a owner that lived in or
> around the st louis area and from a man in texas who donated one to the
> museum ---
> there is also several hawkens in england---2 in privet collections and a
> couple in the museum in london--these are not shown in most of the
> writings on hawkens
>
> NOTE: if you are planning on trying to buy one get the history of the
> gun---most that are around now days can be traced back a ways--- that its
> a fact---not just that they appeared out of nowhere or out of someone's
> attic---most people that own them will not put a price on them---I know i
> would not---got a offer to sell my half stock several years ago and i
> laughed at them---(darn good offer) my statement was they aint eating
> anything and not costing me nothing believe i need to keep um. mine has
> a place if anything ever happens to me---
>
> there is several hawkens pistols out there also---most large caliber
> and used the same breach plug and tang as the rifle ---bent to form the
> pistol grip--ramrod was steel and had a swivel on it and was attached to
> the muzzle of the gun----good picture of this in beards book---
>
> if you have any questions about hawkins give me a shout offline---I aint
> no expert but have fondled a few of them in my
> time---again---beware---lots of fakes or copies out there---today a good
> custom hawkens with good barrel, lock and fine to extra fine wood will
> bring from $1500 to $2,500 from a known maker---Bob Reeves who is dead
> made several outstanding copies he lived in lancaster california---most
> of the people who have bob's guns wont part with them for the above
> price--pappy biggs has a match pair one in 50 and one in 54 back in the
> early 60's and he gave over $600 for them from bob at that time--so you
> could probably multiply todays prices times ten or more and you would
> probably come somewhere close to what an appraised value for one would be
> if it is original---haven't seen many hawkens with straight grain wood
> except for full stocks and a couple or three half stocks---some of them
> are walnut but most were hard maple---not soft or sugar maple---look
> inside the lock and under the butplate and you will get a good hint as to
> their originality---also check around the nipple area for burn out or
> age---if they have a patch box which a couple of them had look inside the
> patch box---cant duplicate the age in ther---takes many years to get that
> effect---hard to fake---also the but plates on the early hawkens were
> made from 2 pieces of metal and brazed together--if it's early gun and
> doesn't have a brazed butplate it's a copy---
>
> hope i have been some assistance to you even if i have meandered a
> lot----just think the original price was 25 to 50 dollars almost half a
> years wages at that time---small calibers were from 5 to 10 dollars
> according to some of the invoices that i have seen---some of the specials
> were even more---hoffman and cambell and another guy who worked in the
> hawkens shop did engravings on a couple of them---gemner also made and
> stamped a few hawkens---not all plains rifles---a couple of shotguns have
> been seen with a s hawkens stamp---but most died in the wool hawkens
> people thank they were faked at a later date to add value to a unmarked
