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hist_text-digest       Thursday, March 25 1999       Volume 01 : Number 268




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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:16:06 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 1st beaver skinn`in

To beaver skin with any kind of ease at all, you must start with and keep you
knife razor sharp.  Go to your state trappers conventions and they can assist
you more.  If you don't know how to contact them, let me know, and I will give
you someone to contact in your state.

                                                  [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:28:33 -0800
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: jerky

could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got
some bear to jerk for a trip.
thanks
YMHS,
  Terry L Landis

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:27:40 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

Build a rack in the blazing sun, cut meat into long thin strips and hang =
to
dry, (optional) build a smoky fire under the meat.  Wait.

John...



At 06:28 PM 3/24/99 -0800, you wrote:
>could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got
>some bear to jerk for a trip.=20
>thanks
>YMHS,
>=A0 Terry L Landis
>
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>=20
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:25:36 -0800
From: "JON P TOWNS" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

>could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got
>some bear to jerk for a trip.
>thanks
>YMHS,
>  Terry L Landis
>
They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the
chance of trichinosis.  Has anyone heard the same thing????  Now if you want
a good way is a cup of salt,  a cup of brown sugar and couple of qts.. of
water I add a box of crab or shrimp boil it has a lot of spices.  Soak over
night and dry with a towel.    I use a smoker.  Works good for me.   Later
Jon T

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:43:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

> >could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got
> >some bear to jerk for a trip.

On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, JON P TOWNS wrote:
> They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the
> chance of trichinosis.

Exactly correct.  Bears, being wild critters unhampered by fences and
feedlots, and tending to eat any and everything, tend to be heavy
carriers of trichinosis.  A gentleman up here in the Pacific Northwest
made jerky out of cougar a while back, and managed to infect a lot of
folks with this.  They figgered the cougar found and ate a dead bear.

If'n it was me, I'd find some other meat (say, a herbivore) for your
jerky.

And John Kramer's recipe is about as period as you can get... except he
left out the flies and snapping dogs.

Regards

Lee Newbill of Viola, Idaho
NMLRA member 058863
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:47:02 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

Terry
I would have thought that bear meat would be too fatty for jerky with =
any expectation that it wouldn't get rancid after a while, but I have no =
experience jerking bear.  I have boiled bear and roasted bear over =
coals, and both times lots of grease cooked out of meat that had no =
discernible fat showing. =20
I know a fellow up in the northwest who will cook a pork roast then =
shred it and dry it.  It rehydreates readily and cooks up really good.  =
Do you suppose that would work with bear meat?
Please post a report of the results.  I think lots of folks would be =
interested in how it turns out.  Good luck.
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 8:36 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: jerky


>could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i =
got
>some bear to jerk for a trip.=20
>thanks
>YMHS,
>  Terry L Landis
>
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>

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:37:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:history channel--the mountain man (long)

Don't be shy, Larry.

tell us how you really feel.

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:07:07 -0800
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: towels

o.k. one more quick one. what if any materal was ysed for towels back in
them days? sack cloth come's to mind. anyone know of any other ?
thanks
YMHS,
  Terry L Landis

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:05:03 -0800
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: re:jerky

its true about bear being like pork , but i have made jerk out of this
one several times and no one's dead yet. this bear was shot in aug. last
year (my first beasty with a muzzle loader), so no fat on it lanney. i
was just looking for a period recipe. you can only eat so much teriyaki
jerk ya know.
john thanks for the tip i'll try it .
thanks all,
YMHS,
  Terry L Landis

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:30:49 -0800
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re:jerky

Terry,

I smoked some deer once, cut the meat in to strips, made a rack and had some
good coals going under it.  I walked around the woods where we were camped
and started tasting leaves on the trees till I found one that was kinda
sweet.  I put both branches and some of the green leaves on the coals and
smoked the meat for the entire day.  I wish I knew what tree that was 'cause
the meat was sooooooo good we couldn't stop eating it!  I imagine that
wasn't too far from the way it might have been done in our period of
interest.

Hope that helps some, Medicine Bear

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:53:25 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (JON MARINETTI)
Subject: MtMan-List: History Channel's The Mountain Men

Covering approximately 40 years of fur trade history (c.1805-1845)
should have been done on PBS.  Maybe 20 hours worth of programming - 2
hours Mon-Fri for two weeks.  Or go to a continuing series format on
History Channel (similar to their Civil War series).  Sounds like a 1000
yard shot either way.

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:02:25 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

terry l landis wrote:

> could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got
> some bear to jerk for a trip.
> thanks
> YMHS,
>   Terry L Landis

Terry,

If you must make jerky out of your bear meat, my recommendation is to just
cut it in thin strips and shake a bit of salt and pepper on it like you were
seasoning it and let it dry. It probably wouldn't hurt to smoke cure it as
though it were bacon or ham. The last bear I got had some of the meat
treated that way and it made good ham, etc. But I am a firm believer that to
be safe, bear meat needs to be cooked just like pork. Lanneys idea of
cooking it, shredding it and then drying it is a good one.

If you do decide to make jerky out of it be advised that you can haul it in
my bateau this weekend but I ain't gona eat any of it unless you cooked it
first!

On another note, we don't need no stinking towels! They's for city folk.
That's what your breech clout is for amongst other uses. <G> See ya on the
lake mate. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:07:55 +1200
From: "The Brooks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Goex/ Elephant

Rumours are circulating here that advice has been received that Goex have
sold out to Elephant lock stock and barrel. Apparently all equipment is
heading south to Brazil wherever Elephant comes from. From now on all will
be one or so the story goes. Anybody on the list able to confirm or deny???
Kia Ora
Big Bear
In cool hazy Marlborough New Zealand.

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:35:06 -0800
From: Butch <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

> They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the
> chance of trichinosis.  Has anyone heard the same thing????
>
>
    Bears who raid human garbage are prone to picking up trichinosis, on
account of infected beef and pork in the garbage.  Bears taken far away
from human settlements are less likely to have it.  Just in case, it can't
hurt to cook it thoroughly, just in case.


    Butch

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:48:05 -0600
From: "Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: re:jerky

You are right about Teriyaki.  Some of the best jerky I ever made was =
simply peppered meat dried over a tiny little smoky fire.......lot of =
smoke, no fire.  Used green mesquite wood.  Probably not much of that =
where you are, though.  Just about any hardwood would do nicely.
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:11 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: re:jerky


>its true about bear being like pork , but i have made jerk out of this
>one several times and no one's dead yet. this bear was shot in aug. =
last
>year (my first beasty with a muzzle loader), so no fat on it lanney. i
>was just looking for a period recipe. you can only eat so much teriyaki
>jerk ya know.
>john thanks for the tip i'll try it .
>thanks all,
>YMHS,
>  Terry L Landis
>
>___________________________________________________________________
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>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at =
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>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:44:49 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: Trade goods

George Morgan, partners of a Philadelphia firm who were interested in
starting colonies in 1768 in Illinois, listed some goods to be ordered,
some I am not sure of or have a general idea of what it is but no knowledge
of where the goods were made.
What is Loaf sugar, Muscovado, Hyson tea, Bohea tea, Pewter basons & c,
Spike Gimblets, tap bores, Worsted or Cruels, Blotting Cloaths, Chintz,
Black Cravats, Cutteaus, wrist bands? These items and many others were
ordered and floated down the Ohio from Fort Pitt to Kaskaskia
Thanks
Joe

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:48:40 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: MtMan-List: Horses and Long rifles

Given the long rifles carried by some Long Hunters, How were they carried
horseback? Did Long hunters use horses extensively or were boats or walking
perferred?
Thanks
Joe

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:15:49 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horses and Long rifles

Joe Brandl wrote:

> Given the long rifles carried by some Long Hunters, How were they carried
> horseback? Did Long hunters use horses extensively or were boats or walking
> perferred?
> Thanks
> Joe

Joe,

IMHO, The "long Hunter" carried their long rifles the same way the "Mt. Men"
carried their long rifles, across the body in front of them or held alongside
on a narrow trail, or over the back, upside down on a sling. I can't think of
any other ways to do it except a saddle scabbard and I don't know how
widespread their use was if they were used at all.

It seems that long hunters traveled by horse, boat and on foot. Boat
transportation might be preferred and a lot of foot travel was done but they
did have and did use horses too. It seems to have depended on local conditions
and resources. Not a definitive answer, I admit but it's short and simple and
close to the truth. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 13:36:12 -0700
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: The Old Gunsmith

Pendelton,

I'm sure Jerry will come back with some more specific info, but just to get
you started this series ran in 8 installments from the Sept/Oct 1991 issue
to the Nov/Dec-1992 issue. It was (and is) one of my favorite series
published in this and other mags on the sport.

I'm at work and do not have any specifics about the rifling machine
described, but if you have any of those mags you can look it up.

Hope this helps some,

Red Coyote

> ----------
> From:     zaslow
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Monday, March 22, 1999 23:09
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     Re: MtMan-List: RIFLING MACHINE
>
> Pendelton,
>
> Back a few years ago there was an excellent series in the Muzzleloader
> Magazine about an early gunmaker.  When I get a chance I'll try and locate
> it for you, but it went into great detail about how the guns were made by
> hand.  I think it described the barrel making machine.
>
> Give me about a week and I'll see what I can find.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:43:37 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length

Well I need some serious answers as I am trying to do battle with my neighbor wh
o is a retired engineer, and just starting into Black Powder shooting, as too bad
 for me, I got him interested in the hobby, he is driving me nuts with questions,
 and a lot of whys that I can't answer.  He analyzes everything.

Beside now my neighbor has taken control of most of my good catalog collection th
at he forgot I lent him.  Sure I will get them back someday?

So the latest question he keep hitting me with is Barrel Length verses Accuracy,
and I keep saying that if a barrel is over 35 inches long, and up to 44 inches lo
ng the only reason for the different length has to do with Original Styles of Rif
le, and Smoothbores.  That is why the difference in barrel lengths and the accura
cy thing is not effected by barrel lengths.

I think when he finally decide to take the plunge, and buy his first good flintlo
ck he is planning on buying a Caywood with the interchangeable barrel system so h
e can do both the rifled, and smoothbore shooting.

I keep saying to myself to be nice to him as maybe when the neighbors dies he wil
l will me his collection of Black Powder stuff, as he has 20 years on me.

Am I right when I saying, if a barrel is over 35 inches long, and up to 44 inches
 long the only reason for the different length has to do with Original Styles of
Rifle, and Smoothbores???

B

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:42:00 -0800
From: "landis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: re: jerky

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:00:07 -0800
From: "john c. funk,jr" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

Jon,

I too have heard that bears are carriers of the dreaded trichinosis.

John Funk

- -----Original Message-----
From: JON P TOWNS <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky


>
>
>
>>could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got
>>some bear to jerk for a trip.
>>thanks
>>YMHS,
>>  Terry L Landis
>>
>They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the
>chance of trichinosis.  Has anyone heard the same thing????  Now if you
want
>a good way is a cup of salt,  a cup of brown sugar and couple of qts.. of
>water I add a box of crab or shrimp boil it has a lot of spices.  Soak over
>night and dry with a towel.    I use a smoker.  Works good for me.   Later
>Jon T
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:57:48 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky

YES!!!  Bear definately can give you Trichinosis just like pork...

Sean

- -----Original Message-----
From: JON P TOWNS <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: jerky


>
>
>
>>could some one share with me a period recipe for jerky/dried meat? i got
>>some bear to jerk for a trip.
>>thanks
>>YMHS,
>>  Terry L Landis
>>
>They say back home in(Michigan) to treat bear like pork because to the
>chance of trichinosis.  Has anyone heard the same thing????  Now if you
want
>a good way is a cup of salt,  a cup of brown sugar and couple of qts.. of
>water I add a box of crab or shrimp boil it has a lot of spices.  Soak over
>night and dry with a towel.    I use a smoker.  Works good for me.   Later
>Jon T
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:00:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade goods

working in the same area as you are.would like to know were you got your list
from Morgans store if you can help me out i would be greatful.I hit the
archives in st.louis about once a month,if you need something looked up.
                                            rick petzoldt

                                     [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:13:55 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length

Bruce,
  The only advantage to the longer barrel length is you have a longer site
plane. [the distance between the rear and front sight]  Technically there
should be little difference in accuracy between long and short barrels.
Pendleton

- ----------
> From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 4:43 PM
>
>
>
> Well I need some serious answers as I am trying to do battle with my
neighbor wh
> o is a retired engineer, and just starting into Black Powder shooting, as
too bad
>  for me, I got him interested in the hobby, he is driving me nuts with
questions,
>  and a lot of whys that I can't answer.  He analyzes everything.
>
> Beside now my neighbor has taken control of most of my good catalog
collection th
> at he forgot I lent him.  Sure I will get them back someday?
>
> So the latest question he keep hitting me with is Barrel Length verses
Accuracy,
> and I keep saying that if a barrel is over 35 inches long, and up to 44
inches lo
> ng the only reason for the different length has to do with Original
Styles of Rif
> le, and Smoothbores.  That is why the difference in barrel lengths and
the accura
> cy thing is not effected by barrel lengths.
>
> I think when he finally decide to take the plunge, and buy his first good
flintlo
> ck he is planning on buying a Caywood with the interchangeable barrel
system so h
> e can do both the rifled, and smoothbore shooting.
>
> I keep saying to myself to be nice to him as maybe when the neighbors
dies he wil
> l will me his collection of Black Powder stuff, as he has 20 years on me.
>
> Am I right when I saying, if a barrel is over 35 inches long, and up to
44 inches
>  long the only reason for the different length has to do with Original
Styles of
> Rifle, and Smoothbores???
>
> B
>
> --
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:30:28 -0600
From: "Glenn Darilek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: towels

Since no one responded, I will give my opinion:

Towels, what towels?  We don't need no stinkin towels. ;-)

I have never seen any documentation on towels used by the mountaineer.

Glenn Darilek
Iron Burner

- -----Original Message-----
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:10 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: towels


>o.k. one more quick one. what if any materal was ysed for towels back in
>them days? sack cloth come's to mind. anyone know of any other ?
>thanks
>YMHS,
>  Terry L Landis
>
>___________________________________________________________________
>You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
>Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
>or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:40:48 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length

Larry you have given me some ammunition to shoot at "Mr. Slide Rule" with, like
I said the guy is a retired engineer, and elderly.  One very bad combination to d
eal with when trying to make sense.  Will try that "the distance between the rear
 and front sight" thing and hope he is satisfied with your expert answer.

B


"The only advantage to the longer barrel length is you have a longer site
plane. [the distance between the rear and front sight]  Technically there
should be little difference in accuracy between long and short barrels.
Pendleton"

- --

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:00:39 -0600
From: "Douglas  Hepner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade goods

Joe,
   Jas. Townsend and Son lists a black cotton cravat in their online
catalog. They even have a picture of a man wearing one. It is a kind of
loose black tie made of fine cotton. I hope this microscopic info helps.

"Dull Hawk"

- ----------
> From: Joe Brandl <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: Trade goods
> Date: Thursday, March 25, 1999 8:44 AM
>
> George Morgan, partners of a Philadelphia firm who were interested in
> starting colonies in 1768 in Illinois, listed some goods to be ordered,
> some I am not sure of or have a general idea of what it is but no
knowledge
> of where the goods were made.
> What is Loaf sugar, Muscovado, Hyson tea, Bohea tea, Pewter basons & c,
> Spike Gimblets, tap bores, Worsted or Cruels, Blotting Cloaths, Chintz,
> Black Cravats, Cutteaus, wrist bands? These items and many others were
> ordered and floated down the Ohio from Fort Pitt to Kaskaskia
> Thanks
> Joe
>
> Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
> Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
> Write for custom tanning prices
> We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
> hair on robes
> Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings,
baskets
> check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:30:49 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:wabbit fur

It takes that and more.  Be prepared to wear a mask because of all the fur that
flies.  It gets in every orifice you might have and you look like a hairy
something or other.  I had a great deal of trouble with the nose, thinking there
were all these little hairs tickling my face.  But the finished product was
worth it.  WILL NEVER make another one again.  The 4 I did was enough.  Still
have one left and it is very warm on a cold night.  Still tickles.  The LITTle
strips of long fur are twisted like you make wool thread and woven in the warp.
These blanket are very strong and the last one I did make was 30 years or so ago
and it is just as good as the day it was made.

Linda Holley

Pat Quilter wrote:

> I heard that it takes about 100 rabbit skins to make a woven-strip blanket.
> Given that the strips of fur curl over themselves and therefore cover less
> area than flat-sewn skins, and you would want them fairly tightly woven to
> keep out the wind, this seems reasonable (a patchwork quilt of 1-foot skins
> would require 49 skins to cover 7 x 7 feet).
> YMOS
> Pat Quilter
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Dearing [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 8:23 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: Re:wabbit fur
>
> >
> >
> >
> > >The blankets were strips of fine rabbit woven like you would make an  old
> blanket.
> > >There are warp and weft.  Mostly popular with the Southwest Indians.  I
> have made 4
> > >of these and they are very comfortable and warm.  Also very durable
> compared to just
> > >sewing large pieces of rabbit fur together.
>
> These rabbit skin robes were also popular in the Northeast...anywhere it got
> cold, as a
> matter of fact.  I understand that skins taken in the middle of the winter
> won't shed
> nearly
> as bad as those taken in late winter, or so I'm told. I'm also told that
> rabbit robes
> are too
> warm to use above 20 degrees F.
>
> Any truth to this? Also, how many skins are needed to make a three point
> size robe, and
> do you make them for sale?  <sheepish grin>       Thanks          J.D.

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 21:24:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trade goods

Joe writes:

> Spike Gimblets, ---an instrument used for starting holes (as in screw
holes).  A kind of  T-handled affair with a corkscrew on the end.

>tap bores, --probably a tapered reamer used to bore the tapered holes in
barrels for fitting bungs.  Both this and the gimlet would be used by coopers.

>Worsted or Cruels,  Chintz,--all types of cloth

>Blotting Cloaths---could be linen blotters used to blot ink after writing, as
was the custom.

> Cutteaus,---pocket knives  aka cuttoes.

> wrist bands?---no idea, maybe they knew the medicinal effects of copper
wrist bands for soothing arthritis. <G>

Dave Kanger

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 02:38:41 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Roy Parker)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Question About Barrel Length

I want to play too....

On Thu, 25 Mar 1999 18:40:48 -0700 (MST), you wrote:
>Larry you have given me some ammunition to shoot at "Mr. Slide Rule" =
with, like=20
>I said the guy is a retired engineer, and elderly.  One very bad =
combination to d
>eal with when trying to make sense. =20

As an unretired, elderly engineer, I can only say I resemble that
remark.

>Will try that "the distance between the rear > and front sight" thing =
and=20
>hope he is satisfied with your expert answer.
>
One thing not yet mentioned as I type this is the fact that a longer
barrel gives "more residence time" (engineer talk) to complete
combustion of the powder charge.  In my reading over the years I've
come across many references stating that long barrel lengths were used
at least in part due to the perception that there was more "oomph"
behind the ball for a given powder charge.

Ballistics tests bear that out, but somewhere there is a point of
deminishing return.  IIRC, Lyman gives various velocities vs barrel
length for some charges.  I don't have a copy of Lymans BP, but I'd be
surprized if there was more than 1-200fps difference between 36 and 42
inch barrels.  Probably quite a bit of difference between 26-28 inch
barrels vs 36 inch though.

Someone with a copy care to confirm/deny?

Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including =
"BS".
1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus

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