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hist_text-digest       Saturday, March 20 1999       Volume 01 : Number 262




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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:00:20 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

Sean,
  Well said.  We don't do this stuff for a living.  It's supposed to be
fun, and when it ceases to be I'm through with it.
Pendleton

- ----------
> From: sean <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions
> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:17 PM
>
>
>
> > Dennis said:
> >> Gentlemen, I don't know about y'all,( especially those that would
prefer
> a
> >>technically dry, humorless, impersonal list) but I prefer this to be
like
> a
> >>large campfire.... With folks from different locals, skill levels, and
> walks
> >>of life's paths to get together and discuss and , God forbid, joke
among
> >>themselves.. Mebby share some and learn some  things...
> >
> I have to add my 2 beaver worth here.... darn it.. I tried to keep
quiet...
> honest I did.
>
> Even after 9 years of skinnin, I still feel like a Tenderfoot... done
> gradiated from Greenhorn... and I thoroughly do enjoy the topics here.
> Butthe banter and jokes and asides are great too.  Its called HUMOR...
and
> we need a little of this in our lives.  I own a Real Estate company in
> southwest Florida, and deal with jerks and idiots constantly.
Buckskinnin
> is our sanity bteaks.  My wife is the Director of Marketing.  I enjoy the
> humor and banter here... and after all, if someone doesn't like to read
> it... there is alwats a DELETE button...  I look on this List as an
extended
> family and it truly upsets me to see bickering going on.
>
> Now... y'all kiss and make up, and play nice, or I'll tie ya to tha pole
in
> the middle of the camp!!!
>
> Addison Miller
> aka SeanBear
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:11:16 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN

Danny Caywood does Type C's as aprt of his
Smoothebores.  If you would like his
telephone number.  Contact me off list.
he has a brochure on his Smoothebores, Finished
Gun, Kits, and IN THE WHITES

B
>
>When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured?  I am planning
>to buy or build one later on this year.  Also were they trade by the
>British traders as well?
>Pendleton
>
>
>

- --
"The Price Of Freedom
     Is Not Free"

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:31:00 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

Well put Jim,  Thanks  Buck

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions


>The delete button is not the best answer.  It would be easy to just delete
>post from those we know are always adding in the chit chat part some of us
>would like to avoid.  The problem is those folks are typically the most
vocal
>and often add items of varying degree of interest, even if not always
>documented.  It gives us a place to start our own research.  If we just
>"delete" we don't solve the problem.
>
>Here's a suggestion, although it requires a bit of effort on the part of
the
>"chatters."  Add an asterisk to the thread line.  That way, we'll know
there
>is nothing really pertaining to the thread in the post, just "chatter."
>
>Another suggestion was made a while back that also makes some sense.  If
the
>post is to an individual, make it direct to that person rather than through
>the list.  This suggestion apparetnly wasn't well received then, so
probably
>won't be now.  Maybe becasue it takes even more effort than adding a code
to
>the thread line.
>
>Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:40:26 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Finally...a start

Gentlemen,

I have had to put this on the back burner since October, but have finally
gotten around to getting some coding and photograpy done.  I have tons more
stuff to put up, but it will be slow going.  Many of the links are just
placeholders for now to let you know of coming things.

http://oldfoxtraders.com

I hope we can do some business in the future.  Thanks for your consideration.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:49:15 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN

Thanks, Caywood is at the top of the list.  What I should have asked is,
when and where were they first manufactured?  In other words where in
France?
Pendleton

- ----------
> From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN
> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:11 PM
>
>
>
>
> Danny Caywood does Type C's as aprt of his
> Smoothebores.  If you would like his
> telephone number.  Contact me off list.
> he has a brochure on his Smoothebores, Finished
> Gun, Kits, and IN THE WHITES
>
> B
> >
> >When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured?  I am
planning
> >to buy or build one later on this year.  Also were they trade by the
> >British traders as well?
> >Pendleton
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> "The Price Of Freedom
>      Is Not Free"

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:53:02 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN

For this information see:
http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html

Buck
_______________
- -----Original Message-----
From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:51 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN


>Thanks, Caywood is at the top of the list.  What I should have asked is,
>when and where were they first manufactured?  In other words where in
>France?
>Pendleton
>
>----------
>> From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN
>> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:11 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Danny Caywood does Type C's as aprt of his
>> Smoothebores.  If you would like his
>> telephone number.  Contact me off list.
>> he has a brochure on his Smoothebores, Finished
>> Gun, Kits, and IN THE WHITES
>>
>> B
>> >
>> >When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured?  I am
>planning
>> >to buy or build one later on this year.  Also were they trade by the
>> >British traders as well?
>> >Pendleton
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> "The Price Of Freedom
>>      Is Not Free"
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 21:10:13 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN

Thanks Buck !
Pendleton

- ----------
> From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN
> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:53 PM
>
> For this information see:
> http://home.att.net/~buck.conner/personal.html
>
> Buck
> _______________
> -----Original Message-----
> From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:51 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN
>
>
> >Thanks, Caywood is at the top of the list.  What I should have asked is,
> >when and where were they first manufactured?  In other words where in
> >France?
> >Pendleton
> >
> >----------
> >> From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
> >> To: [e-mail]
> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN
> >> Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 8:11 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Danny Caywood does Type C's as aprt of his
> >> Smoothebores.  If you would like his
> >> telephone number.  Contact me off list.
> >> he has a brochure on his Smoothebores, Finished
> >> Gun, Kits, and IN THE WHITES
> >>
> >> B
> >> >
> >> >When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured?  I am
> >planning
> >> >to buy or build one later on this year.  Also were they trade by the
> >> >British traders as well?
> >> >Pendleton
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> "The Price Of Freedom
> >>      Is Not Free"
> >
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:00:12 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RIFLING MACHINE

Check out the books "The Muzzleloading Caplock Rifle"
and "The Kentucky Rifle" for photos of rifling/rouph boring machines.
In the Muzzleloading Caplock Rifle there are photographs of an old time
riflesmith using an existing rifle barrel to rifle a newly made barrel. He
used the existing barrel to get the twist from that barrel. I have a jig
that I made myself. I didn't use any plans, except for the ones in my head.
They are relatively simple in construction. The screw and the indexing block
are the most difficult parts to make. The Jig I made is patterned off of one
in a local museum.

From the northwoods,

Tony clark
- -----Original Message-----
From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
To: mountain lists <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 7:32 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: RIFLING MACHINE


>Where can I get detailed drawings of a rifling machine?  Some of us have a
>wild hair to build our own gun barrels.  Might want to sell one someday you
>can't ever tell.
>Pendleton
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:01:37 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training

 A Matter of Training

 An old man who'd lived all his life back up in the hills came to  visit
a childhood friend.  Now he'd never laid eyes on a train or the iron
rails on which they run.

Standing in the middle of the tracks one day, he heard a distant
whistle... WOOOO-ooo---OOOOO! but didn't have a clue as to what it meant
or his impending danger.

Predictably, the old boy is hit-fortunately it's just a side swipe, and
he's thrown, head over heels off the tracks, get's off  with minor
internal injuries, a few broken bones, and some bruises.

 After weeks in the hospital recovering, he's at a friend's place for
dinner one evening  Standing in the kitchen, he hears the rising whistle
of the family tea kettle wooOOO....

Springing into action, he grabs a rolling pin and mercilessly bashes and
smashes the once merry kettle into a useless, shapeless hunk of copper.

His friend, hearing the fuss, rushes into the kitchen, sees what's
happened and asks his friend, "Why'd you wreck our lovely tea kettle?"

The mountain man replies: "Man, you gotta kill these things when they're
small."

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 22:01:28 -0800
From: Dennis Fisher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lube

I have been shooting black powder since 1963 and have never bought any patch
lube ever.  I mostly use spit patches but have made my own patch lube so I
could prelube patched balls in my loading block.  I use a mixture of beeswax,
parafin, and lard.  You can try different proportions to suit yourself.  It
works quite well during warm weather but tends to be a little stiff in the
winter.  I use bear oil when it gets below freezing.  Anyway, I put the
combined and melted ingrediants in a 2 pound coffee can and dip strips of
patching material in it while it is melted.  I pull the soaked patching
between two tightly held pieces of an old broken ramrod to squeege off the
excess lube and lay it aside to cool.  Once cool I roll the patching up and
put it away.  On hot days when you just seem to run low on spit, this prelubed
patching works out real well.  I have never tried to see how many shots I
could do without swabing the bore but I will give it a try the next time I'm
out.  Based on what I have heard on the list lately, I may try a batch without
parafin and see how that works.

              Dennis Fisher

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:42:01 -0600
From: "Richard W. Fones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Old Mines

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:00:26 -0600
From: Mike Rock <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #260

Parker query: Kaskaskia/Ft. Clark.  M.M.Quaife in his 1913 book,
Chicago and

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:18:21 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:27:03 -0800

Pat Laughlin wrote:
>
> Thanks Fred,   I'm sure that you know that you can send it in both html and plain
> text at the same.  It will arrive in the format that you use.

Pat, I can read any format...I use Linux as an OS.  Sending in BOTH formats is
even worse than HTML, as it takes up even more space on the list server!  Plain
text for newsgroups and e-lists should be just plain text.

Thanks!

Fred

- ----/ /  _                   Fred A. Miller
- ---/ /  (_)__  __ ____  __   Systems Administrator
- --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ /   Cornell Univ. Press Services
- -/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\   [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:06:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training



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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:31:29 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> fred you didn't give any details except that you had worked for two years
> on it--what is it's base and what makes it so good and easy to load and
> shoot with---send more info and what do you get for a sample of
> it---always looking for a better mouse trap---"my grizzley snot" or "ol
> grizz"  is very similar to the old black solve that was sold back in the
> 60's except that I use burning silica--a disbursing agent for  systems to
> keep  oils and other liquids from frothing when areated--it also uses all
>  bio-degradable stuff so that there is no residue in the barrel---I add
> some alcahol so that it wont freeze in the winter.
>
> what makes your lube so good and wonderful--I dont put anything in the
> barrel of my gun that I dont know what it is and what it will do---will
> be glad to send you a sample of mine for a sample of yours---

Mike, send me your smail-mail address and we'll send off a sample....don't need
your's, thanks.  A number of folks would like to know what's in it.<g>  ALL
ingredients were available in the 1700's, and nothing in it will harm a firearm.

Fred

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:11:48 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: H&R Springfield Stalker 58 Cal.

Dear Sir,
I stumbled across you while surfing for information about the above mentioned
gun. I bought it sight un seen off the internet (ebay) and am very happy with
it. Only catch is there was no spec with it. So I tried to determine the rate
of twist and determined that the rate was about one in forty inches. This rate
seems strange in a production gun. My question is, Do you or anyone you know
have any information or expierience with this gun. Iwould appreciate any help.
thank you
D.Pancho Noggler
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:42:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Old Mines

old mines is may 14 thru 16. phone number to call for more infor.is
573-438-7712.
i'm pretty sure of the date you may went to call.
                                            traphand

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 00:50:10 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Message Protocol

Pat Quilter wrote:

[snip]

> 2. Fred's reminder about "plain text" caused me to look for the first time
> in my MS Outlook Format menu, and there WAS a check box for plain text, but
> only during "Reply". I can't find it during "New Message". I would value
> comments about the appearance of my postings.

Pat, with all due respect, Outlook and Outlook Express share a number of common
problems.  If you can get your Sys. Admin. there to install Netscape
Communicator 4.51, you'll have a better application for all uses on the Net,
including sending out plain text messages.

[snip]

> 4. Reading the objections about long banter threads reminds me that I'm
> spoiled by having a full-function Email system here at my office. We have
> Microsoft Outlook (which is no more bloated and unreliable than other MS
> products) which does have some helpful features. The main one is, my
> internet Email arrives on my screen just like interoffice Email, and I can
> arrange my settings so that once I've started to read a long string of new
> postings, a single click will either close or delete the current message and
> open the next. This way, I can "delete" my way through a backup of postings
> as fast as I can skim their contents. Therefore, I am not greatly bothered
> by the long strings of friendly chat. HOWEVER: I remember the days of having
> to log onto Compuserve, "you've got mail", having to wait for interminable
> downloads, and finally being able to read messages. If I was still getting
> my postings this way, I would be a lot more bothered by numerous, short
> comments, especially without good Subject lines.

I share your concerns, and I think we're all guilty of not watching the sub.
lines as we should.  I'm on a number of list, and news groups, some because of
professional necessity, and the lack of proper subject line(s) is a problem at
times.  I just set up my dept. at Cornell with 24x7 service at up to 7Mbit
speeds (XDLS), and I have 24x7 here as well, but not quit as fast.  'Have to be
able to monitor systems remotely from here and take care of mail as well.<g>

Thanks,

Fred

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 19:18:00 +1300
From: Duncan Macready <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Native American Dogs

I assume that the dogs used by the Native Americans there before the
Europeans ,unlike the horse.Are there any pure breeds left if so what type
of dog are they? what do they look like? is there a web site I can access?
YMOS
Cutfinger

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:54:34 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training

Hey Trap... exactly what is it you're tryin to say???

*grin*.... smoke signal fire done went out...

SeanBear

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; David
Bennett <[e-mail]>; [e-mail] <[e-mail]>;
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>; [e-mail] <[e-mail]>;
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>; [e-mail] <[e-mail]>;
petz <[e-mail]>; [e-mail] <[e-mail]>;
[e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training


>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:05:02 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training

sorry joke maybe going to wrong site hit wrong key.


                                 trap

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:13:48 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training

Why be sorry...?? I laughed my ass off..
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training


>sorry joke maybe going to wrong site hit wrong key.
>
>
>                                 trap
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:09:22 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: OT: MtMan-List: Re: Message Protocol

Pat Quilter's comments are excellent. I'd like to add a couple more tips; I
hope they will be received in the spirit in which they are offered. This is
'netiquette' I have learned from other lists.

- --If you want to post "chit-chat" (jokes or other stuff not directly
relevant to the Rocky Mountain fur trade from 1800 to 1850), put "OT" at the
beginning of your subject line (like I did with this message). It stands for
"off topic", and is a warning to certain list members to delete without reading.

- --Don't leave the message you're replying to stuck at the end of your reply;
if you want to refresh other folks as to what you're responding to, quote
the part you are responding to (and only that part) at the beginning or end
of your message. Otherwise you will be posting messages like "I agree" plus
the entire original message that you agree with, plus the responses from
other folks who did the same thing. This is called 'wasting bandwidth', and
can put an undue strain on Internet e-mail resources, as well as the
patience of other folks on the list, who have to spend precious minutes with
antique computers (386's!) waiting for it all to download.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred

[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 08:09:11 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian Cap & rabbit fur

References on mittens, lined with rabbit fur & otherwise:

"of all furrs the furr of the hare is the warmest, we place pieces of it in
our mittens, the skin is too thin for any other purpose." c. 1800, Hudson's
Bay (David Thompson, _Narrative_, 31)

"...in the intense cold, the shot is no sooner fired than our hands are in
our large mittens; we walk and pick up the bird, then get the powder in, and
walk again, at length [put in] the shot, and the gun is loaded; it is
needless to say, exposed to such bitter cold, with no shelter, we cannot
fire many shots in a single day. Gloves are found to be worse than useless."
 c. 1800, Hudson's Bay (David Thompson, _Narrative_, 31) (Remember the
"mittened hand" that the large trigger guard on the NW trade gun is supposed
to be for? Well, Thompson is clearly _taking his mittens off_ to shoot.)

"I fortunately escaped [frostbite], by the aid and assistance of a pair of
rabbit skin gloves with which I kept constantly chafing the places
affected..." Dec 9, 1820, Fort Providence on N. shore of Great Slave Lake
(George Back, _Arctic Artist, 103)

"We employed ourselves in making mittens of old deer [caribou] skin that was
found lying about--I made a pair also..." October 10, 1821, Obstruction
Rapids of Coppermine R (about halfway between Great Slave Lake and
Coronation Gulf on the Arctic Ocean). (Back, 184)

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred


[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:44:16 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Kinjano

I use to belong to the Hyu Eenyas in the EARLY 80's.  It was a great
fellowship of ladies who wanted to get together.  Still have all the old
news letters and keep "somewhat" in touch with the escaped leader.
Have been looking for  women in the southeast with the same interest and
would like to get together and do some "lady" camping.  The summer is too
hot, but there are other times.
Have been looking for  a place to hold the event.  Any one interested??

Linda Holley-Jax., Fla.


Barbara Smith wrote:

> Gads!  You're a GIRL?  Sorry, I just heard the tail of some
> conversations 'bout Ohio, and scaring the boy, and assumed you were
> male!  (Gotta show those assets...)
>
> Anyway, I'm off to see your website, and I'm very interested in what
> you're doing.  This doins' I've been describing was put on by two women
> who used to belong to "Hyu Eenas" (Many Beavers), a group which
> appeared to go belly up after it's ringleader high-tailed it to
> Wyoming.  They had a great newsletter with all sorts of fabulous
> information, and a slogan "Keep yer flour dry!" which always makes me
> grin.  I got into this hobby after they'd died off, but a friend gave me
> copies of their newsletters for the good information.  I BELIEVE they
> were all women associated with AMM brothers in one way or another.  I'd
> be interested in any women's association, but I'm not married to a
> Brother, so please tell me that's not a criteria!
>
> Also, does your group have any ties to similar women's groups elsewhere
> in the country, like say, North Carolina?
>
> Many thanks, dear lady, and sorry about the misassumption:  What  giggle
> I had opening the list today!  :-)
>
> Yer Most Disobedient Servant,
> Tassee

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 10:49:47 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: rabbit fur

The blankets were strips of fine rabbit woven like you would make an  old blanket.
There are warp and weft.  Mostly popular with the Southwest Indians.  I have made 4
of these and they are very comfortable and warm.  Also very durable compared to just
sewing large pieces of rabbit fur together.

Linda Holley

Butch wrote:

> Austin, Tim wrote:
> >
> > Good information on the rabbit fur for the moccasins.  What is the source?
> > I know several of the mountain men used buffalo fur to make moccasins, and a
> > trip of Indians in the west that made blankets of rabbit hides with fur
> > still on.
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Tim Austin
>
>         Rabbit skin blankets are very warm, but I'd recommend you put the blanket
> inside an envelope of cloth, etc.  Rabbit skin with the fur on sheds
> something awful.  Good way to wake up with a big old mouthful of rabbit
> fur.
>
>         These were used as baby blankets,too, IIRC.
>
>         Butch

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 16:07:46 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Roy Parker)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training

On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 09:13:48 -0500, you wrote:

>Why be sorry...?? I laughed my ass off..
>D
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 9:05 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Matter of Training
>
>
>>sorry joke maybe going to wrong site hit wrong key.
>>
>>
>>                                 trap
>>
>
>
Hey you guys, quit laughing about this or the anti-humorist party will
get mad again.  As for Fred's initial joke, well, all I can say is
ROTHFLMAO.
Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including =
"BS".
1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 11:25:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: offline-Re: MtMan-List: H&R Springfield Stalker 58 Cal.

the springfield stalker came in various barrel configerations so i will
sum up what i know about them---early ones were 1-48 twist so that they
could shoot minnies and round ball with a low powder charge--  IE:   60
gr of 2 or 3f as you increase the powder charge you will find that the
groop dia will increase and your accurcy will decrease---have seen some
that will shoot good at 70 to 80 gr of black but would only hold a groop
of about 6 in at 50 yds---start with 50 gr of 3 f and shoot 5 shots for
groop only then increase in 5 gr increments and watch your groop then
pick the charge that gives you the best groop---the bore diameters of the
barrels are two differnt ones and  will shoot a .562 round ball and the
other shoots a .575 round ball with .o15 pillow ticking patches---I like
the tight fit as possible and still have fairly easy loading---the
stalkers also came in a 1-22 twist which was for minnies or solid bullets
or sabots--never saw one of them that shot well at all --groop size
varried from day to day ---the last twist was 1-72 which was a slow twist
for round ball primarily but the rifleing was cut shallow for
minnies---these were the most accurate and consistant but required the
tight fitting patch and ball combination but they were not as powder
critical for accurcy---would shoot good with 60 to 120 gr black---the
only difference is with the increased powder charge the impact of the
bullet would rise   most of these had a accurcy load of about 90 gr of 2
or 3 f powder---I prefer the 3 f because it burns cleaner and less powder
is required to get the higher velosity---

the stalker was intended to be used as a cheep deer hunting gun and work
well with that when you work up your accurcy load---feel free to contact
me offline or give me a call and we can go into depth about your gun---

hope i have been of assistance to you on your question---

  =+=
"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]

On Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:11:48 EST [e-mail] writes:
>Dear Sir,
>I stumbled across you while surfing for information about the above
>mentioned
>gun. I bought it sight un seen off the internet (ebay) and am very
>happy with
>it. Only catch is there was no spec with it. So I tried to determine
>the rate
>of twist and determined that the rate was about one in forty inches.
>This rate
>seems strange in a production gun. My question is, Do you or anyone
>you know
>have any information or expierience with this gun. Iwould appreciate
>any help.
>thank you
>D.Pancho Noggler
>[e-mail]
>
>

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