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hist_text-digest        Friday, March 19 1999        Volume 01 : Number 261




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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:05:19 -0800
From: Barbara Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Are there any Brothers from NC on this list?

Dear Sirs,

Are there any AMM Brothers from North Carolina on this list?  I have a
dear friend who'se new to the buckskinning world and looking for
high-quality "porkeater" events to attend in that state, and I
recommended she ask the AMM.  She'd be interested in living history
sites, reenactments, rendezvous and the like.  I'd hate to send her to
anything farby or low-class though - she's a fine upstanding woman of
good character (and she cooks good, too!) and I'd hate for her to be put
off the hobby by going to a no-class event.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! :-)

Yer Most Disobedient Servant,
Tassee

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 20:23:10 -0800
From: Barbara Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Kinjano

Gads!  You're a GIRL?  Sorry, I just heard the tail of some
conversations 'bout Ohio, and scaring the boy, and assumed you were
male!  (Gotta show those assets...)

Anyway, I'm off to see your website, and I'm very interested in what
you're doing.  This doins' I've been describing was put on by two women
who used to belong to "Hyu Eenas" (Many Beavers), a group which
appeared to go belly up after it's ringleader high-tailed it to
Wyoming.  They had a great newsletter with all sorts of fabulous
information, and a slogan "Keep yer flour dry!" which always makes me
grin.  I got into this hobby after they'd died off, but a friend gave me
copies of their newsletters for the good information.  I BELIEVE they
were all women associated with AMM brothers in one way or another.  I'd
be interested in any women's association, but I'm not married to a
Brother, so please tell me that's not a criteria!

Also, does your group have any ties to similar women's groups elsewhere
in the country, like say, North Carolina?

Many thanks, dear lady, and sorry about the misassumption:  What  giggle
I had opening the list today!  :-)

Yer Most Disobedient Servant,
Tassee

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:29:56 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Horn and scrimming...

I have a good horn... polished and thinned, smoothed, etc... I want to try
to do some scrimshaw on it... my first attempt.  How do I keep the ink from
getting into other cracks in the horn when I start applying it?
*chuckles*.. and before someone says it.. I know... veeerrryyy carefully...
Someone told me to use beeswax and scrim thru it, but that is a real pain in
the butt.  Any better ideas?

Addison Miller
aka Sean

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:38:11 -0500
From: "Lewis Kevin Raper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HORNS

This Is Where I get mine:
The K Company
128B Lebby St.
Pelzer S.C. 29669
Phone: [phone]
Open Tues-Sat 10AM-6PM
Tell Kay Possum Hunter Sent ya!
"No man can truly know Christ except he follow him in life" ( Testimony of
Anabaptist leader Hans Denk)
- ----- Original Message -----
From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
To: mountain lists <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 10:50 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: HORNS


>Ok guys a serious question.  Where can I get really high quality cow horns?
> I am talking about scrimshaw quality with good turns that will make Golden
>Age period powder horns.
>Pendleton
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:54:28 -0500
From: "Lewis Kevin Raper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Are there any Brothers from NC on this list?

Barbara,
I ain't from North Carolina, but a good one to go to is the Muzzleloader
Enclave held at Kings Mountain State Park in South Carolina.( It is on the
good side of the North Carolina / South Carolina line) :-) Another good one
to go to is Old Timey Days in Cades Cove in Smokey Mountain National Park.
Iffin ya don't mind driving to Greenville, South Carolina, the Roper
Mountain Science Center has a real good living history farm open on some
Saturdays. The Charlestown Landing in Charleston SC is also pretty good.
I am sure there are others in North Carolina That are good, but why not come
to South Carolina and watch the pros do it?

"No man can truly know Christ except he follow him in life" ( Testimony of
Anabaptist leader Hans Denk)
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Barbara Smith <[e-mail]>
To: history <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 1999 11:05 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Are there any Brothers from NC on this list?


>Dear Sirs,
>
>Are there any AMM Brothers from North Carolina on this list?  I have a
>dear friend who'se new to the buckskinning world and looking for
>high-quality "porkeater" events to attend in that state, and I
>recommended she ask the AMM.  She'd be interested in living history
>sites, reenactments, rendezvous and the like.  I'd hate to send her to
>anything farby or low-class though - she's a fine upstanding woman of
>good character (and she cooks good, too!) and I'd hate for her to be put
>off the hobby by going to a no-class event.
>
>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! :-)
>
>Yer Most Disobedient Servant,
>Tassee
>
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:00:26 -0600
From: Mike Rock <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #260

Parker query: Kaskaskia/Ft. Clark.  M.M.Quaife in his 1913 book,
Chicago and the Old Northwest,1673-1835.  Quaife has many good
references to forts and players.  Kaskaskia, its taking by the Hannibal
of Kentucky (which was a county of Virginia) Clark, and its history are
fully covered.  Later (1814) Forsyth is pleading the case for a Factory
at Ft. Clark, so the Pottawatomies can receive goods "as cheap in this
was as they formerly did in the factory at Chicago". They were bemoaning
the high prices at the sutler's store.

This is an excellent text in some ways, and the fact that the map shows
many forts and settlements and pointedly does not show Fort Clark in
relationship to Kaskaskia may or may not shed light.

I'll deep diggin.

I hear they give cowboys in Texas enemas so's they can bury 'em in shoe
boxes.

Rock

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:17:07 -0800
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

Come on guys, let's not take things to extremes!  NOBODY ever said that humor
wasn't allowed.
There is a BIG difference between occasional jokes and remarks that we all enjoy
and have participated in and DOZENS of consecutive postings slamming Texans/Non
Texans!
After the first couple go arounds, those who wanted to continue the fun should
have simply replied directly to one another and respected the overall intention
of the list and it's originator.  No big deal.
Now come on over to the fire and get another cup of shrub!  What's in this stuff
anyway?

MB


Dennis Miles wrote:.

>  Gentlemen, I don't know about y'all,( especially those that would prefer a

> technically dry, humorless, impersonal list)

Larry Pendleton wrote:

I will tryto keep a lid on the B.S. as much as I can in an effort to keep from
bothering the folks who don't believe that you can do both.

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:34:16 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Fred,
>
> I am also wondering what kind of lube your are talking about.  I am looking
> for a lube that is not store bought but rather made.  I am kind of
> simplifying the shooting by just buying tickling for patches not the pre cut
> and would like a good lube also.

Our lube's ingredients were available back in the 1700's, but were never
combined into a lube.  The whole project came about because, like you and many
others, a buddy of mine and I wanted a much better lube than what was/is
avilable from commercial makers and also the known home brews, and we wanted it
to be period correct.

It took almost 2 full years of work before we finally refined the process and
formula to where it is now.  At first, we wern't going to even market the stuff,
as we had it for ourselves, and could shoot all day without cleaning, yet had
GREAT accuracy. We had what we had wanted.  Then we gave some of it away to a
few friends....BIG mistake.  They all hounded us till we did make it avilable.
We presently make 2 "flavors" of it...a patch lube and a bullet lube....2
different formulas.  We're now working on a lube for BP ctg.  Like any other
product, I'm sure millage will vary from shooter to shooter, but so far, we've
had VERY good reports.

Fred

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 05:33:13 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Roy Parker)
Subject: Shrub--was Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:17:07 -0800, you wrote:

>Now come on over to the fire and get another cup of shrub!  What's in =
this stuff
>anyway?
>
>MB
Glad you asked.  One quart of rum, the juice from 3 oranges and 3
lemons, and the zest of the oranges and lemons.  No pulp, and NONE of
the white fiber under the zests!  Let the elixer percolate overthe
zests for 2-3 days, add a pint of water, and sugar to taste.  Recipe
came from a Virgina almanac back around 1750 via Jerry Young aka
Yellowfoot.


Roy Parker, Buckskinner, Brewer, Blacksmith and other "B"'s, including =
"BS".
1999 SW Rendezvous info available at http://www.sat.net/~robenhaus

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:41:23 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> fred what kind of lube are you talking about---go offline and give me
> some more info---
>
> "HAWK"
> Michael pierce
> 854 Glenfield Dr.
> Palm Harbor Florida  34684
> E-mail:   [e-mail]

Go to to site below and take a look.

Best,

Fred

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:50:22 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:27:03 -0800

Pat Laughlin wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I have taught American history for many years, done research for many more.  I
> have participated in living history events and many personas over that
> period.  I have always felt that a comfortable group of scholars that can
> interact and learn as well as enjoy themselves makes for a more cohesive group
> and one that can really get to the source and share information in a fun and
> entertaining way.  I'm sure that mountainmen and women didn't spend all their
> time doing business at their gatherings.

Pat, as an aside to you and anyone else using anything else but a PLAIN TEXT
settings in their mailer, it's considered rude on the net.  The default settings
for all MS mailers and Netscape is HTML, "rich text," etc.  The setting should
be "plain text," as some members will have problems with anything else.

Fred

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:49:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

The delete button is not the best answer.  It would be easy to just delete
post from those we know are always adding in the chit chat part some of us
would like to avoid.  The problem is those folks are typically the most vocal
and often add items of varying degree of interest, even if not always
documented.  It gives us a place to start our own research.  If we just
"delete" we don't solve the problem.

Here's a suggestion, although it requires a bit of effort on the part of the
"chatters."  Add an asterisk to the thread line.  That way, we'll know there
is nothing really pertaining to the thread in the post, just "chatter."

Another suggestion was made a while back that also makes some sense.  If the
post is to an individual, make it direct to that person rather than through
the list.  This suggestion apparetnly wasn't well received then, so probably
won't be now.  Maybe becasue it takes even more effort than adding a code to
the thread line.

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:48:56 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

Frank wrote:

> .
> Now come on over to the fire and get another cup of shrub!  What's in this stuff
> anyway?
>
> MB

Berry juice, brown sugar and (I think) vinegar. From that humble start it goes down
hill depending on what spirituous liquor you add. Capt. Morgan's Spiced Rum will
make it a drink fit for Kings. Anything else is just using up what can't be drunk
otherwise. I remain.......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:49:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gaucher (Left Hand) Arikara

Several Indians with the name "Left Hand" or some derivation thereof crop up
in fur trade history.  "Gauche" is French for "Left."  Le Gauche, Gocher, etc.
are all attempts at a French rendition of the name.

I find only one who was Arikara and the notations are from early in the
period, about 1810-20.  If you have access to Reuben Thwaites "Early Western
Travels" series, check vol 5, 6 and 26.  Vol 5 is "Travels in the Interior of
America" by naturalist John Bradbury.  He traveled up the Missouri with Wilson
Price Hunt's Pacific Fur Company overalnd expedition.  On June 12, 1811,
Bradbury introduced Le Gauche.  (page  128-132)

Vol 6 is the journal of Henry Brackenridge, also a naturalist.  Brackenridge
went up the Big Muddy with Manuel Lisa and the Missouri Fur Co.  On June 11,
1811, his party meets the Left Handed.  (page 111-113)

Stephen Long's expedition is in Vol. 14.  On April 6, 1820, they meet Naugh-
ken-ne or the Left Hand.  (page 286)  Long describes him as an Omawhaw so this
may not be the same person.  The fourth Flathead deputation to travel to St.
Louis in search of the white man's religion included Pierre the Left-handed
(Gaucher). He was an Iroquois, or part Iroquois, who went to live among the
Flatheads as a trapper around 1816.  There was also Left-handed Gocia, an
Indian trapper with Capt. Thing out of Fort Hall in 1835. And there was a
southern Arapaho chief named Left Hand, or Niwot, in the 1820-40 period.
(Margaret Coel wrote a book about him "Chief Left Hand: Southern Arapaho."
University of Oklahoma Press 1981)

Perhaps this will get you started.  If you want more info or photocopies of
the pages above, contact me off-line.

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:54:43 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horn and scrimming...

sean wrote:
 How do I keep the ink from getting into other cracks in the horn when I start
applying it?

> Addison Miller
> aka Sean

Sean,

I always just painted the stuff on once the cuts were made where I wanted them.
I would then polish off the extra ink with very fine steel wool and then finish
by repolishing the horn to the luster I wanted. Lots of horn makers out there
that may do it different. I don't remember having any problems with other
"cracks". I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:54:55 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

Medicine Bear Wrote:

<<NOBODY ever said that humor wasn't allowed.>>


MB,
 Unfortunately, someone DID suggest this fact to me in a private post. And
being one of the occasional "chatters", I thought about it for awhile and
decided to post my response. There are those out there that do not, under
ANY circumstances want anything except the "technically dry, impersonal,
humorless list", that I mentioned before. There are a couple on every list.
Fortunately, they are far and few in between.  That is why I wrote what I
did, and I stand by it.
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 06:20:06 -0700
From: Vickie Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

good comments, however, I would appreciate it if you could send me the address
for
removing myself from the list. When you you belong to several there just isn't
time for
all that reading and deleting. Thanks

[e-mail] wrote:

> The delete button is not the best answer.  It would be easy to just delete
> post from those we know are always adding in the chit chat part some of us
> would like to avoid.  The problem is those folks are typically the most vocal
> and often add items of varying degree of interest, even if not always
> documented.  It gives us a place to start our own research.  If we just
> "delete" we don't solve the problem.
>
> Here's a suggestion, although it requires a bit of effort on the part of the
> "chatters."  Add an asterisk to the thread line.  That way, we'll know there
> is nothing really pertaining to the thread in the post, just "chatter."
>
> Another suggestion was made a while back that also makes some sense.  If the
> post is to an individual, make it direct to that person rather than through
> the list.  This suggestion apparetnly wasn't well received then, so probably
> won't be now.  Maybe becasue it takes even more effort than adding a code to
> the thread line.
>
> Jim Hardee, AMM#1676

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 07:39:39 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian Cap & rabiit fur

"Matthew Hawley" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I don't know about the hat company. but the rabbit fur in moccasins i
do. With the on set of winter the indians started making winter clothes
so in order to keep warm they wanted fur. now rabbot fur is warm thick
and very soft so they would make rabbit lined mocs or blankets or mitts
to keep warm.<<

In my reading of Canadian fur trade journals, 1774-1821, I've never found
any mention of rabbit fur-lined moccasins. Instead, warmer moccasins were
made from bison tanned with the hair on, and the hair turned to the inside
(like sheepskin slippers). On the other hand, I _have_ found rabbit
fur-lined mittens mentioned on two different occasions (if you want the
references, just ask). The blankets, of course, were trade blankets, buffalo
robes, or blankets woven from strips of rabbit fur. I saw one of these
blankets at Old Fort William last summer, and it was heavy and likely very warm.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:08:29 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gaucher (Left Hand) Arikara

I think there is a mention of a Left Hand in Garrards' "Wah-to-Yah"...some sort
of bad guy chief either arapaho or camanche.

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 09:10:18 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian Cap & rabiit fur

Angela,
I would like the source on mittens
Thanking you in advance
Joe Brandl

Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
Write for custom tanning prices
We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
hair on robes
Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:25:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw: lube

fred you didn't give any details except that you had worked for two years
on it--what is it's base and what makes it so good and easy to load and
shoot with---send more info and what do you get for a sample of
it---always looking for a better mouse trap---"my grizzley snot" or "ol
grizz"  is very similar to the old black solve that was sold back in the
60's except that I use burning silica--a disbursing agent for  systems to
keep  oils and other liquids from frothing when areated--it also uses all
 bio-degradable stuff so that there is no residue in the barrel---I add
some alcahol so that it wont freeze in the winter.

what makes your lube so good and wonderful--I dont put anything in the
barrel of my gun that I dont know what it is and what it will do---will
be glad to send you a sample of mine for a sample of yours---

"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:25:24 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horn and scrimming...

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 23:29:56 -0500 "sean" <[e-mail]> writes:
>  How do I keep the ink from getting into other cracks in the horn when
I start applying it?

>Addison Miller
>aka Sean

Addison---I had the same problem for several years and a friend that does
a lot of scratching explained to me how to get around it---he explained
to me that I wasn't getting the horn smooth enough before i started to
scratch on it---you would think that when you buff out the horn it would
be smooth enough to scratch on but in reality it isnt---

sand your horn down the same as you normally would going to 600 wet or
dry paper--buff the horn using the white ruge then go to the red --the
horn is going to seem like it is real slick and smooth--not true---get
out your car rubbing compound-- the white or extra fine--rub a small
amount in the palm or heal of your hand now sit down and watch television
or listen to your favorite tunes and start rubbing only using the palm of
your hand--will take a few hrs so dont get in a hurry--take a 5 or 10
power glass and look close at your horn if you can see any marks then you
dont have it smooth enough to scratch on---any mark or inperfection will
hold the ink---the old whalers that usto scratch on the whales teeth did
the same thing-- the palm of your hand is a natural abrasive and will
slick it out real well especially with a little extra fine rubbing
compound or pumice added---remember---any mark will hold ink---got to be
slick and smooth---takes me about two or three nights of watching tv and
rubbing to get one to a point that i can scratch on it or have it ready
for someone to scratch on---remember quality takes time---dont get in a
hurry---and use the glass to look for the marks---you are going to be
real suprized when you look at the horn after you have buffed it---marks
will still be there---the old palm of the hand will slick it out real
well---after you get it scratched to your likeing---get some stuff called
"old bones" it is a stain for bone and horn--rub on a light coat and then
rub it all off---will give the horn an age patina to it. can also use
walnut hulls but it is hard to get off of your hands---

mister powder horn himself---"carl wilborn " at friendship was the one
that explained the facts of life to me about horns and how to slick them
out.  it works for me ---hope i have been of some help to you---

YMHOSANT

   =+=
"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:25:21 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: HORNS

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 21:50:28 -0600 "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
writes:
  Where can I get really high quality cow
>horns?
> I am talking about scrimshaw quality with good turns that will make
>Golden
>Age period powder horns.
>Pendleton

larry  for several yeard have ordered horns from

 Karl Wilburn
5073 townsley Road
cederville, Ohio 45314
Phone # [phone])

all of his horns are of high quality you need to call him and tell him
what you want-- all his horns come with turned and fitted maple
plugs---BTW he is also the major supplier to dixie and other large
suppliers---hell of a nice guy and his daughter does some wonderful
scratching on the horns---he also furnishes them in sets for
flinters---had black tip and brown tips and aldo thick enough to carve if
you wish--he pre-drills the hole in the end and furnishes a turned
plug---darn good price also---check him out---I met him at friendship
back in the 60's and he aint getting any younger but his horns are
something he takes a lot of pride in---

YMHOSANT
    =+=
"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 08:29:53 -0800
From: Pat Laughlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:27:03 -0800

Thanks Fred,   I'm sure that you know that you can send it in both html and plain
text at the same.  It will arrive in the format that you use.

Fred A. Miller wrote:

> Pat Laughlin wrote:
> >
> > John,
> >
> > I have taught American history for many years, done research for many more.  I
> > have participated in living history events and many personas over that
> > period.  I have always felt that a comfortable group of scholars that can
> > interact and learn as well as enjoy themselves makes for a more cohesive group
> > and one that can really get to the source and share information in a fun and
> > entertaining way.  I'm sure that mountainmen and women didn't spend all their
> > time doing business at their gatherings.
>
> Pat, as an aside to you and anyone else using anything else but a PLAIN TEXT
> settings in their mailer, it's considered rude on the net.  The default settings
> for all MS mailers and Netscape is HTML, "rich text," etc.  The setting should
> be "plain text," as some members will have problems with anything else.
>
> Fred
>
> --
> "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
> http://www.cap-n-ball.com/thunder/

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 10:23:19 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Message Protocol

Various topics of "netiquette" arise from time to time, and we can all use a
refresher.

1. PLEASE use your Subject line. Fred's otherwise helpful hint:
<< as an aside to you and anyone else using anything else but a PLAIN TEXT
settings in their mailer, it's considered rude on the net.  The default
settings
for all MS mailers and Netscape is HTML, "rich text," etc.  The setting
should
be "plain text," as some members will have problems with anything else.>>
was posted under the unhelpful auto-subject:
<<Re: MtMan-List: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 18:27:03 -0800>>.
Hopefully all Email programs allow you to simply type in an appropriate
subject, as I have done on this posting. Using the subject line
intelligently would erase at least 80% of the objections posted by those not
wishing to follow long threads of banter etc.

2. Fred's reminder about "plain text" caused me to look for the first time
in my MS Outlook Format menu, and there WAS a check box for plain text, but
only during "Reply". I can't find it during "New Message". I would value
comments about the appearance of my postings.

3. Pursuant to this, I use a very minimalist set of formatting rules for
Email postings, because I have seen the "hash" made by the command marks for
bold face, underscore, new fonts, and other common modes of emphasis used in
"richer" text formats. I use only one size and font type throughout the
message. I use CAPITALS for emphasis (observing the basic precaution of
never typing in all capitals AS IT LOOKS LIKE I'M SHOUTING). Also note how I
have spaced these paragraphs with an extra line for easier reading. I assume
all readers have noticed that the internet seems to add "hard returns" as
the end of each line, which can mess up the appearance of a posting unless
you make your Email window wide enough to accept these lines of text without
"autoreturns".

4. Reading the objections about long banter threads reminds me that I'm
spoiled by having a full-function Email system here at my office. We have
Microsoft Outlook (which is no more bloated and unreliable than other MS
products) which does have some helpful features. The main one is, my
internet Email arrives on my screen just like interoffice Email, and I can
arrange my settings so that once I've started to read a long string of new
postings, a single click will either close or delete the current message and
open the next. This way, I can "delete" my way through a backup of postings
as fast as I can skim their contents. Therefore, I am not greatly bothered
by the long strings of friendly chat. HOWEVER: I remember the days of having
to log onto Compuserve, "you've got mail", having to wait for interminable
downloads, and finally being able to read messages. If I was still getting
my postings this way, I would be a lot more bothered by numerous, short
comments, especially without good Subject lines.

5. So, as long as I keep this in mind, it will be easy to remember the value
of using my Subject line, and keeping my comments reasonably pertinent,
without completely turning to dust. We have to occasionally THINK about how
we use our computer tools. LOOK at those menus once in a while --- they're
there to be used.

Humbly submitted

Patrick Quilter.

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:06:09 -0600 (CST)
From: "Susan Gilbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

 Dennis said:
> Gentlemen, I don't know about y'all,( especially those that would prefer a
>technically dry, humorless, impersonal list) but I prefer this to be like a
>large campfire.... With folks from different locals, skill levels, and walks
>of life's paths to get together and discuss and , God forbid, joke among
>themselves.. Mebby share some and learn some  things...

I agree with Dennis and the others who fell on this side of the discussion.  I don't post
much as I'm a beginner and don't feel I have much to add, but I read everything that is
posted here, as I have much to learn.  I enjoy all the serious discussion, but the jokes
and nonsense makes me feel like I know you all sorta kinda.  It helps us beginners feel
we can ask questions of friendly aquaintences, and not a bunch of faceless experts who
will make fun of us.
I would really miss the occasional  "row and ruction" that happens here.  It's one of the
reasons I hang out here.

my 2 pence,

Old Hands

Sue Gilbert
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 20:17:44 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Discussions

> Dennis said:
>> Gentlemen, I don't know about y'all,( especially those that would prefer
a
>>technically dry, humorless, impersonal list) but I prefer this to be like
a
>>large campfire.... With folks from different locals, skill levels, and
walks
>>of life's paths to get together and discuss and , God forbid, joke among
>>themselves.. Mebby share some and learn some  things...
>
I have to add my 2 beaver worth here.... darn it.. I tried to keep quiet...
honest I did.

Even after 9 years of skinnin, I still feel like a Tenderfoot... done
gradiated from Greenhorn... and I thoroughly do enjoy the topics here.
Butthe banter and jokes and asides are great too.  Its called HUMOR... and
we need a little of this in our lives.  I own a Real Estate company in
southwest Florida, and deal with jerks and idiots constantly.  Buckskinnin
is our sanity bteaks.  My wife is the Director of Marketing.  I enjoy the
humor and banter here... and after all, if someone doesn't like to read
it... there is alwats a DELETE button...  I look on this List as an extended
family and it truly upsets me to see bickering going on.

Now... y'all kiss and make up, and play nice, or I'll tie ya to tha pole in
the middle of the camp!!!

Addison Miller
aka SeanBear

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:49:07 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: RIFLING MACHINE

Where can I get detailed drawings of a rifling machine?  Some of us have a
wild hair to build our own gun barrels.  Might want to sell one someday you
can't ever tell.
Pendleton

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:35:44 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: LUBE

Does anyone have any hard documentation on what types of gun lube were used
during the 18th and 19th century?  Also what were their gun cleaning
methods?  I have seen very little info written on these topics.  Apparently
it was some thing that was so common no one wrote it down.
Pendleton

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:30:33 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: HORNS

Thanks for the info on the horns.  Really good quality horns are very hard
to find here.
Pendleton

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:39:20 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: TYPE C FRENCH TRADE GUN

When and where was the Type C French Trade Gun manufactured?  I am planning
to buy or build one later on this year.  Also were they trade by the
British traders as well?
Pendleton

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