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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:21:59 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wes Housler

His books and tapes are sold through Crazy Crow Trading post.
Also advertised in the NMLRA mag.  and The one out of Texas.

Linda Holley

sean wrote:

> Check with Amazon.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Hepner <[e-mail]>
> To: Mtn Man Discussion Group <[e-mail]>
> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 11:06 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Wes Housler
>
> >    Does anyone know where I may aquire "Dress and Equipage of the Mountain
> >Men" by Wes Housler?
> >
> >"Dull Hawk"
> >
> >

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:00:23 -0600
From: "Jody Carlson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wes Housler

Dull Hawk & other readers;

Wes Housler's book can be obtained from

Rocky Mt College Productions
22 Bell Canyon Rd.
Cloudcroft, NM  88317

or call at 505-687-3267

price for book is $19.95 + 4.50 S&H
book and video for $32.95 + 4.50 S&H

I hope that helps.

Yr Mst Obt Servt,
Scott Carlson

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 04:06:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Barrel Liner?

In a message dated 99-02-18 00:49:41 EST, you write:

<<  The most common practice was to "fresh out"
 the barrel.  This usually involved polishing the bore and recutting the
riflings.
 This would restore a worn out barrel.  In really bad cases the barrel was
redrilled to
 a larger caliber and new riflings cut.  I would do the same today with my
rifle when
 it reaches that point. >>

Very true, however, to the best of my knowledge, there's only one guy still
doing that kind of work.  He's expensive, & has about a 2 yr back log.  Like
relining, I'd only do it to a barrel on an origional in it's restoration -- IF
it's a good solid barrel & will stand a fresh out.  I read somewhere that Bill
Wiliams' rifle had been freshed out so many times the muzzle looked like a
cave!  If you need to re-do a reproduction rifle, it'd be much cheaper just to
replace the barrel.  HOWEVER ------ IF you want to tackle the job yourself,
instructions are in "Foxfire 5".  Think I'd expirament on a junk barrel before
I tried it on a barrel I cared about.

NM

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 09:35:09 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Angela Gottfred)
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Gum

The gum on the 1803 York boat list is almost certainly the pine
pitch/charcoal mixture used for gumming canoes and, presumably, York boats.
I very much doubt that it was wrapped in paper--I suspect that the term
"parchment", meaning rawhide, has been mistranslated. Gum is frequently
mentioned in English fur trade journals of this period. Gathering & making
gum was frequently the job of fur traders' country wives.

 It is quite unusual that this York boat bill of lading was originally in
French; York boats were used by the HBC, whose clerks were almost entirely
English-speaking. York boats were significantly different from canoes in
almost every way--materials, construction, navigation, portaging, and
capacity being the most significant differences.

In haste,
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 08:55:28 -0700
From: "Charlie P. Webb" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention

Linda,
The Colorado State Muzzle Loading Associations Winter
Convention was born many years ago as a method of
treating "Cabin Fever".  Many of us Buckskinners,
Mountaineers, renactors and such needed a way to break
the daily monotony and doldrums of winter camp.  I don't
know who first came up with the idea of holding a Winter
Convention on a State level, could have been the original
founders of the CSMLA  (The Out House Gang ) anyway
it was and is a great fun time.  My wife and I have attended
every one since the beginning, it's a great way to get together
with old friends and meet new ones.  Our main goal is to
interest  new folks in the use of primitive firearms with safety
stressed from the gitgo,  to Living History, Buckskinning,
Long Hunters or what ever your cup of tea might be. It is also
a part of our goal to "kick the hivernants" in the pants and
rekindle their enthusiasm for our sport. We invite qualified
instructors do classes (much like our Rocky Mountain College Rendezvous
August 8-15) on subjects of their choice pertaining
to their period of interest.  We simply say pre-1840, actually
we have folks involved from the early 1750's thru the F&I to the
Revolution  and on up through the America's involvement in Fur
hunting and trading.  We also have a growing number of folks
interested in as I choose to call it, The War of The Northern
Invasion, even though this event began in 1860 they are also
welcome.  We turn no one away from our door, we try to include
and offer things of interest to all of the  Muzzle Loading
Community, not just one facet of the sport.  Since we are
attempting to interest new people in what we do, we are not
"clothes police" we speak of  authenticity, but are not going
to criticize or chastise any one who is trying, but hasn't quite
done enough research to create the perfect outfit or persona.
Shucks, I began playing this living history thing back in 1947
and am still trying to get it right.  Some of us are just a bit
slower than others. <<GAG>> We have a good traders room
and attempt to showcase only period wares, however as in
all things, something sometimes falls through a crack.  We also
have a Banquet and awards ceremony Saturday evening, then
for me the most fun, an auction of goods donated by traders
or any one that has something neat pertaining to muzzle
loading.  Items are from canvas goods, leather bags and such,
Damascus knives, carved antler handled knives, trade silver,
fire irons,  (we have several excellent blacksmiths in CSMLA)
you name it, it will probably be on the auction block.  In 1999
we have four class rooms with hourly selections for the learning
experience. Everything from basic flint lock to a class I do
on the etiquette of photography and camera use at rendezvous
and living history events.  This year at 10:00 AM all class rooms
will be closed so all that can will attend the Wildlife meeting.  It
is critical that we have as much input from the members as
possible so that a plan can be developed to hopefully preserve
our Muzzle Loading Season.  One need not be a member to
attend, but naturally the more members we can acquire the
stronger our bargaining platform with the DOW will be.  Linda
our Winter Convention is a fun thing, perhaps not as authentic
as some would like, but we are trying cover a large block of
time as best we can.  The Rocky Mountain College and the
Winter Convention  was designed to be learning experiences
for pilgrims, however it has grown into much more that.
We also hold the associations business meeting and the
election of new officers and board members at the Winter
Con. It is my personal opinion based on reading your past
posts that you might enjoy the Rocky Mountain College
a bit more than the Winter Con.  The College runs for 8 days,
and the Winter Con. for 2 days.  The RM College is not
totally primitive, we try to acomodate as many folks as we
can. We offer a Tin Tipi camp, Handicap camp, and long term
primitive and short term primitive camps.  Since the event is
held in Bayou Salado  a favorite hang out for Bridger, Carson,
Beckwith and Jim Baker the flavor is definitely western
Mountaineer or Mountain Man.  Didn't intend for this to turn
into a book,  but if you need or want more information you
may feel free to contact my wife or  myself.  Thank you for
your interest.

Respectfully,
C Webb
AKA Old Coyote
CC CO

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
>> To: History Text <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM
>> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention
>>
>> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention
>in
>> >Denver in March?
>> >
>> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:50:38 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention

Charlie,

You did yourself proud, we just need to get the numbers for another DOW
fight.

Buck
____________________-
- -----Original Message-----
From: Charlie P. Webb <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention


>Linda,
>The Colorado State Muzzle Loading Associations Winter
>Convention was born many years ago as a method of
>treating "Cabin Fever".  Many of us Buckskinners,
>Mountaineers, renactors and such needed a way to break
>the daily monotony and doldrums of winter camp.  I don't
>know who first came up with the idea of holding a Winter
>Convention on a State level, could have been the original
>founders of the CSMLA  (The Out House Gang ) anyway
>it was and is a great fun time.  My wife and I have attended
>every one since the beginning, it's a great way to get together
>with old friends and meet new ones.  Our main goal is to
>interest  new folks in the use of primitive firearms with safety
>stressed from the gitgo,  to Living History, Buckskinning,
>Long Hunters or what ever your cup of tea might be. It is also
>a part of our goal to "kick the hivernants" in the pants and
>rekindle their enthusiasm for our sport. We invite qualified
>instructors do classes (much like our Rocky Mountain College Rendezvous
>August 8-15) on subjects of their choice pertaining
>to their period of interest.  We simply say pre-1840, actually
>we have folks involved from the early 1750's thru the F&I to the
>Revolution  and on up through the America's involvement in Fur
>hunting and trading.  We also have a growing number of folks
>interested in as I choose to call it, The War of The Northern
>Invasion, even though this event began in 1860 they are also
>welcome.  We turn no one away from our door, we try to include
>and offer things of interest to all of the  Muzzle Loading
>Community, not just one facet of the sport.  Since we are
>attempting to interest new people in what we do, we are not
>"clothes police" we speak of  authenticity, but are not going
>to criticize or chastise any one who is trying, but hasn't quite
>done enough research to create the perfect outfit or persona.
>Shucks, I began playing this living history thing back in 1947
>and am still trying to get it right.  Some of us are just a bit
>slower than others. <<GAG>> We have a good traders room
>and attempt to showcase only period wares, however as in
>all things, something sometimes falls through a crack.  We also
>have a Banquet and awards ceremony Saturday evening, then
>for me the most fun, an auction of goods donated by traders
>or any one that has something neat pertaining to muzzle
>loading.  Items are from canvas goods, leather bags and such,
>Damascus knives, carved antler handled knives, trade silver,
>fire irons,  (we have several excellent blacksmiths in CSMLA)
>you name it, it will probably be on the auction block.  In 1999
>we have four class rooms with hourly selections for the learning
>experience. Everything from basic flint lock to a class I do
>on the etiquette of photography and camera use at rendezvous
>and living history events.  This year at 10:00 AM all class rooms
>will be closed so all that can will attend the Wildlife meeting.  It
>is critical that we have as much input from the members as
>possible so that a plan can be developed to hopefully preserve
>our Muzzle Loading Season.  One need not be a member to
>attend, but naturally the more members we can acquire the
>stronger our bargaining platform with the DOW will be.  Linda
>our Winter Convention is a fun thing, perhaps not as authentic
>as some would like, but we are trying cover a large block of
>time as best we can.  The Rocky Mountain College and the
>Winter Convention  was designed to be learning experiences
>for pilgrims, however it has grown into much more that.
>We also hold the associations business meeting and the
>election of new officers and board members at the Winter
>Con. It is my personal opinion based on reading your past
>posts that you might enjoy the Rocky Mountain College
>a bit more than the Winter Con.  The College runs for 8 days,
>and the Winter Con. for 2 days.  The RM College is not
>totally primitive, we try to acomodate as many folks as we
>can. We offer a Tin Tipi camp, Handicap camp, and long term
>primitive and short term primitive camps.  Since the event is
>held in Bayou Salado  a favorite hang out for Bridger, Carson,
>Beckwith and Jim Baker the flavor is definitely western
>Mountaineer or Mountain Man.  Didn't intend for this to turn
>into a book,  but if you need or want more information you
>may feel free to contact my wife or  myself.  Thank you for
>your interest.
>
>Respectfully,
>C Webb
>AKA Old Coyote
>CC CO
>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
>>> To: History Text <[e-mail]>
>>> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM
>>> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention
>>>
>>> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention
>>in
>>> >Denver in March?
>>> >
>>> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>
>>
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 12:52:37 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Gum

You beat me to the reply Angela, what is shown is what I have found.

Buck
_________________
- -----Original Message-----
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 12:29 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Gum


>The gum on the 1803 York boat list is almost certainly the pine
>pitch/charcoal mixture used for gumming canoes and, presumably, York boats.
>I very much doubt that it was wrapped in paper--I suspect that the term
>"parchment", meaning rawhide, has been mistranslated. Gum is frequently
>mentioned in English fur trade journals of this period. Gathering & making
>gum was frequently the job of fur traders' country wives.
>
> It is quite unusual that this York boat bill of lading was originally in
>French; York boats were used by the HBC, whose clerks were almost entirely
>English-speaking. York boats were significantly different from canoes in
>almost every way--materials, construction, navigation, portaging, and
>capacity being the most significant differences.
>
>In haste,
>Your humble & obedient servant,
>Angela Gottfred
>[e-mail]
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:20:28 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention

Thanks for the INFORMATION.  It definitely explained everything.  I cannot
go in the summer anymore because they have changed my job starting to the
1st. of August.  But I am interested in the March doings.


Linda

"Charlie P. Webb" wrote:

> Linda,
> The Colorado State Muzzle Loading Associations Winter
> Convention was born many years ago as a method of
> treating "Cabin Fever".  Many of us Buckskinners,
> Mountaineers, renactors and such needed a way to break
> the daily monotony and doldrums of winter camp.  I don't
> know who first came up with the idea of holding a Winter
> Convention on a State level, could have been the original
> founders of the CSMLA  (The Out House Gang ) anyway
> it was and is a great fun time.  My wife and I have attended
> every one since the beginning, it's a great way to get together
> with old friends and meet new ones.  Our main goal is to
> interest  new folks in the use of primitive firearms with safety
> stressed from the gitgo,  to Living History, Buckskinning,
> Long Hunters or what ever your cup of tea might be. It is also
> a part of our goal to "kick the hivernants" in the pants and
> rekindle their enthusiasm for our sport. We invite qualified
> instructors do classes (much like our Rocky Mountain College Rendezvous
> August 8-15) on subjects of their choice pertaining
> to their period of interest.  We simply say pre-1840, actually
> we have folks involved from the early 1750's thru the F&I to the
> Revolution  and on up through the America's involvement in Fur
> hunting and trading.  We also have a growing number of folks
> interested in as I choose to call it, The War of The Northern
> Invasion, even though this event began in 1860 they are also
> welcome.  We turn no one away from our door, we try to include
> and offer things of interest to all of the  Muzzle Loading
> Community, not just one facet of the sport.  Since we are
> attempting to interest new people in what we do, we are not
> "clothes police" we speak of  authenticity, but are not going
> to criticize or chastise any one who is trying, but hasn't quite
> done enough research to create the perfect outfit or persona.
> Shucks, I began playing this living history thing back in 1947
> and am still trying to get it right.  Some of us are just a bit
> slower than others. <<GAG>> We have a good traders room
> and attempt to showcase only period wares, however as in
> all things, something sometimes falls through a crack.  We also
> have a Banquet and awards ceremony Saturday evening, then
> for me the most fun, an auction of goods donated by traders
> or any one that has something neat pertaining to muzzle
> loading.  Items are from canvas goods, leather bags and such,
> Damascus knives, carved antler handled knives, trade silver,
> fire irons,  (we have several excellent blacksmiths in CSMLA)
> you name it, it will probably be on the auction block.  In 1999
> we have four class rooms with hourly selections for the learning
> experience. Everything from basic flint lock to a class I do
> on the etiquette of photography and camera use at rendezvous
> and living history events.  This year at 10:00 AM all class rooms
> will be closed so all that can will attend the Wildlife meeting.  It
> is critical that we have as much input from the members as
> possible so that a plan can be developed to hopefully preserve
> our Muzzle Loading Season.  One need not be a member to
> attend, but naturally the more members we can acquire the
> stronger our bargaining platform with the DOW will be.  Linda
> our Winter Convention is a fun thing, perhaps not as authentic
> as some would like, but we are trying cover a large block of
> time as best we can.  The Rocky Mountain College and the
> Winter Convention  was designed to be learning experiences
> for pilgrims, however it has grown into much more that.
> We also hold the associations business meeting and the
> election of new officers and board members at the Winter
> Con. It is my personal opinion based on reading your past
> posts that you might enjoy the Rocky Mountain College
> a bit more than the Winter Con.  The College runs for 8 days,
> and the Winter Con. for 2 days.  The RM College is not
> totally primitive, we try to acomodate as many folks as we
> can. We offer a Tin Tipi camp, Handicap camp, and long term
> primitive and short term primitive camps.  Since the event is
> held in Bayou Salado  a favorite hang out for Bridger, Carson,
> Beckwith and Jim Baker the flavor is definitely western
> Mountaineer or Mountain Man.  Didn't intend for this to turn
> into a book,  but if you need or want more information you
> may feel free to contact my wife or  myself.  Thank you for
> your interest.
>
> Respectfully,
> C Webb
> AKA Old Coyote
> CC CO
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
> >> To: History Text <[e-mail]>
> >> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM
> >> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention
> >>
> >> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention
> >in
> >> >Denver in March?
> >> >
> >> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 15:36:56 -0800
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention

Charlie,

Don't know that I'll be able to go, but when in March is the convention and
where is it held?  You have made me want to go.  It sounds interesting,
informative, and fun.

Sidney

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:21:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Web Searches

General Note to the List: When searching for items to buy on the web, try =
the
NEWEST way to search; using BOTS.  Find the "BOT" you want (books, for
instance) and let it search.  It will return a list of all the sites it fi=
nds
selling the book you are looking for, ALONG WITH THE PRICES CHARGED BY THA=
T
SELLER. This is an incredibly powerful tool for saving both time and money=
.
<A HREF=3D"http://botspot.com/search/index.html">BotSpot =AE : Search : Th=
e Spot
for all Bots & Intelligent Agents</A>    yhs, Barney Fife

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:09:01 -0600
From: "Ron and Gayle Harris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty

is that per pound?!!!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty


>Ron,
> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby...
>D
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron and Gayle Harris <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:20 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty
>
>
>>: Re: MtMan-List: bounty
>>
>>>Lanney,
>>> You are GOOD at one of a kind items from craftsmen, you are lucky there
>>>isn't a warning flyer out about you.. If you weren't so damned cuddly,
>>there
>>>would be a bounty on your ass...
>>>Love,
>>>D
>>>>
>>>GEEEZ, How vmuch bounty???
>>(per each or.............?)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:52:07 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty

Lord, Son.... Do you KNOW how much I would have to charge for knives if that
were the case??<G>

D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Gayle Harris <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty


>is that per pound?!!!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:05 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty
>
>
>>Ron,
>> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby...
>>D
>>
>>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 17:06:27 -0800
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: new gun

ho the list.
 i have a new gun with a colerian swamped barrel in .58 cal.
here's the problem, in trying to work up a load i found that the patches
I'm using a being torn up pretty bad sometimes. I'm loading a 570 rb with
a .20 patch and 70 gr.bp.
some of the balls i have are snugger than others and some of the patches
have been perforated at the edges ( you can see where the lands in the
barrel were).
could some of you trow out some options to correct this problem. i plan
to start to pour my own balls as soon as i can find a proper mould.
ant suggestions would be a great help.
thanks.
YMHS, Terry L Landis

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:17:38 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty

Ya'll ought to quit picking on little Lanney Rue.
Pendleton

- ----------
> From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:52 PM
>
> Lord, Son.... Do you KNOW how much I would have to charge for knives if
that
> were the case??<G>
>
> D
>
>    "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>   Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>     http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron and Gayle Harris <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty
>
>
> >is that per pound?!!!
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
> >To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> >Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:05 PM
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty
> >
> >
> >>Ron,
> >> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby...
> >>D
> >>
> >>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> >>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> >>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
> >>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:36:15 -0800
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty

Larry,

Quit picking on him...Why?    Can you think of anyone who deserves it more?
Sidney





>Ya'll ought to quit picking on little Lanney Rue.
>Pendleton
>

>>
>> Lord, Son.... Do you KNOW how much I would have to charge for knives if
>that
>> were the case??<G>
>>
>> D


>>
>>
>> >is that per pound?!!!


>> >
>> >
>> >>Ron,
>> >> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby...
>> >>D


>>
>>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:38:17 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new gun

Terry,
  Your probably on the right track in planning to pour your own balls.  I
started pouring my own sometime ago when I discovered the rd. balls that I
had been buying were not consistently round nor of the size they were
supposed to be.[ i.e. some were .528 to .525 when they were supposed to be
.530]  I shoot a Colerain C weight 54 Cal. barrel, and for sure, when
working up a load for any barrel with really deep rifling  if your rd.
balls are slightly undersized you'll have the exact problem you are
describing.  Keep in touch.  I'll be glad to help if I can.
Pendleton

- ----------
> From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: new gun
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 7:06 PM
>
> ho the list.
>  i have a new gun with a colerian swamped barrel in .58 cal.
> here's the problem, in trying to work up a load i found that the patches
> I'm using a being torn up pretty bad sometimes. I'm loading a 570 rb with
> a .20 patch and 70 gr.bp.
> some of the balls i have are snugger than others and some of the patches
> have been perforated at the edges ( you can see where the lands in the
> barrel were).
> could some of you trow out some options to correct this problem. i plan
> to start to pour my own balls as soon as i can find a proper mould.
> ant suggestions would be a great help.
> thanks.
> YMHS, Terry L Landis
>
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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 20:53:18 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: new gun

terry l landis wrote:
>
> ho the list.
>  i have a new gun with a colerian swamped barrel in .58 cal.
> here's the problem, in trying to work up a load i found that the patches
> I'm using a being torn up pretty bad sometimes. I'm loading a 570 rb with
> a .20 patch and 70 gr.bp.
> some of the balls i have are snugger than others and some of the patches
> have been perforated at the edges ( you can see where the lands in the
> barrel were).
> could some of you trow out some options to correct this problem. i plan
> to start to pour my own balls as soon as i can find a proper mould.
> ant suggestions would be a great help.
> thanks.

Terry, the barrel needs to be shot in.  It make take 200+ ball to do that.  To
assist in this, however, you can wrap a jag with 0000 steel wool, and work the
barrel EVENLY from one end to the other.  This will help remove the sharp
edges.  Give it about 200 strokes with the steel wool.  Then, flush with water
and dry.  Follow this up with polishing with Never Dull (available from any good
hardware store), which will polish and clean the bore.  N.D. SHOULD be included
in your cleaning regime anyway.  I'd finish clean up with Ballistol, leaving a
wet coat in the bore.  Also, make sure you use pillow ticking patches and a GOOD
lube.

Fred

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
http://www.best.com/~capn/thunder/willy.htm

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 21:02:17 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty

Pendleton...
 Either join in, or we will shift our attention to you....<G>
Soooo...????
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: larry pendleton <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty


>Ya'll ought to quit picking on little Lanney Rue.
>Pendleton
>
>----------
>> From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty
>> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:52 PM
>>
>> Lord, Son.... Do you KNOW how much I would have to charge for knives if
>that
>> were the case??<G>
>>
>> D
>>
>>    "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>   Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>     http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ron and Gayle Harris <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> Date: Sunday, February 21, 1999 6:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty
>>
>>
>> >is that per pound?!!!
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>> >To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>> >Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 10:05 PM
>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty
>> >
>> >
>> >>Ron,
>> >> I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby...
>> >>D
>> >>
>> >>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>> >>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>> >>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>> >>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>
>>
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 18:06:42 -0800 (PST)
From: linda lawyer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention

I too have to return to work on the 4th. of August.  Many school
districts begin around the first of August. Could you consider moving
the date of the Rocky Mountain College up a little....maybe mid June
or late July.  Just a thought, Linda Lawyer


- ---Linda Holley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the INFORMATION.  It definitely explained everything.  I
cannot
> go in the summer anymore because they have changed my job starting
to the
> 1st. of August.  But I am interested in the March doings.
>
>
> Linda
>
> "Charlie P. Webb" wrote:
>
> > Linda,
> > The Colorado State Muzzle Loading Associations Winter
> > Convention was born many years ago as a method of
> > treating "Cabin Fever".  Many of us Buckskinners,
> > Mountaineers, renactors and such needed a way to break
> > the daily monotony and doldrums of winter camp.  I don't
> > know who first came up with the idea of holding a Winter
> > Convention on a State level, could have been the original
> > founders of the CSMLA  (The Out House Gang ) anyway
> > it was and is a great fun time.  My wife and I have attended
> > every one since the beginning, it's a great way to get together
> > with old friends and meet new ones.  Our main goal is to
> > interest  new folks in the use of primitive firearms with safety
> > stressed from the gitgo,  to Living History, Buckskinning,
> > Long Hunters or what ever your cup of tea might be. It is also
> > a part of our goal to "kick the hivernants" in the pants and
> > rekindle their enthusiasm for our sport. We invite qualified
> > instructors do classes (much like our Rocky Mountain College
Rendezvous
> > August 8-15) on subjects of their choice pertaining
> > to their period of interest.  We simply say pre-1840, actually
> > we have folks involved from the early 1750's thru the F&I to the
> > Revolution  and on up through the America's involvement in Fur
> > hunting and trading.  We also have a growing number of folks
> > interested in as I choose to call it, The War of The Northern
> > Invasion, even though this event began in 1860 they are also
> > welcome.  We turn no one away from our door, we try to include
> > and offer things of interest to all of the  Muzzle Loading
> > Community, not just one facet of the sport.  Since we are
> > attempting to interest new people in what we do, we are not
> > "clothes police" we speak of  authenticity, but are not going
> > to criticize or chastise any one who is trying, but hasn't quite
> > done enough research to create the perfect outfit or persona.
> > Shucks, I began playing this living history thing back in 1947
> > and am still trying to get it right.  Some of us are just a bit
> > slower than others. <<GAG>> We have a good traders room
> > and attempt to showcase only period wares, however as in
> > all things, something sometimes falls through a crack.  We also
> > have a Banquet and awards ceremony Saturday evening, then
> > for me the most fun, an auction of goods donated by traders
> > or any one that has something neat pertaining to muzzle
> > loading.  Items are from canvas goods, leather bags and such,
> > Damascus knives, carved antler handled knives, trade silver,
> > fire irons,  (we have several excellent blacksmiths in CSMLA)
> > you name it, it will probably be on the auction block.  In 1999
> > we have four class rooms with hourly selections for the learning
> > experience. Everything from basic flint lock to a class I do
> > on the etiquette of photography and camera use at rendezvous
> > and living history events.  This year at 10:00 AM all class rooms
> > will be closed so all that can will attend the Wildlife meeting.  It
> > is critical that we have as much input from the members as
> > possible so that a plan can be developed to hopefully preserve
> > our Muzzle Loading Season.  One need not be a member to
> > attend, but naturally the more members we can acquire the
> > stronger our bargaining platform with the DOW will be.  Linda
> > our Winter Convention is a fun thing, perhaps not as authentic
> > as some would like, but we are trying cover a large block of
> > time as best we can.  The Rocky Mountain College and the
> > Winter Convention  was designed to be learning experiences
> > for pilgrims, however it has grown into much more that.
> > We also hold the associations business meeting and the
> > election of new officers and board members at the Winter
> > Con. It is my personal opinion based on reading your past
> > posts that you might enjoy the Rocky Mountain College
> > a bit more than the Winter Con.  The College runs for 8 days,
> > and the Winter Con. for 2 days.  The RM College is not
> > totally primitive, we try to acomodate as many folks as we
> > can. We offer a Tin Tipi camp, Handicap camp, and long term
> > primitive and short term primitive camps.  Since the event is
> > held in Bayou Salado  a favorite hang out for Bridger, Carson,
> > Beckwith and Jim Baker the flavor is definitely western
> > Mountaineer or Mountain Man.  Didn't intend for this to turn
> > into a book,  but if you need or want more information you
> > may feel free to contact my wife or  myself.  Thank you for
> > your interest.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > C Webb
> > AKA Old Coyote
> > CC CO
> >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
> > >> To: History Text <[e-mail]>
> > >> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM
> > >> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention
> > >>
> > >> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter
Convention
> > >in
> > >> >Denver in March?
> > >> >
> > >> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>

==


Keith and Linda Lawyer
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