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hist_text-digest      Saturday, February 20 1999      Volume 01 : Number 243




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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:48:47 -0700
From: "Charlie P. Webb" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo extinction

Chris,
Your comments also fit a problem we now have in Colorado,
that is our declining Deer population.  The D.O.W. for
years has poo pooed the idea that there were less Deer now
residing within the State than there were 20 years ago.  Now
that it is nearly too late to save the herd they are admitting
that indeed the Deer population is and has been declining for
several years and that they should have reacted earlier.
Their plan/method of combatting this problem is all Deer
licenses after 1999 will be draw only.  Kind of dumb to my way
of thinking , but then I am not a wildlife biologist.  Little thought
has been given to the fact that the existing three point restriction
on Mule Deer Bucks puts the hunting pressure on the older more
mature and genetically stronger Bucks.  When the stronger Bucks
are harvested from the herd this leaves only the weaker less
mature Bucks to carry on and perpetuate.  I personally enjoy
hunting and occasionally taking nice big trophy sized Muley Buck,
but if necessary to save our herd, I certainly would give up my
hunting privileges to allow the Deer population to resurrect
itself and possibly climb back in numbers to near their former high.
If we eliminate the genetically strong Bucks, continue to encroach
on their habitat and winter ranges, then all the Deer may go the
way  of the Buff.  All of the above may be moot however as the
Colorado State Wildlife Commission for various reasons (read
in-line manufacturer pressures.) are seriously considering the total
elimination of our special "Muzzle Loading Season"  (originally
"Primitive Rifle Season") here in Colorado.
Respectfully,
Old Coyote
CC CO

>On The Decline of buffalo, You don't have to shoot em all you just
>have to
>affect calf mortality and the reproductive rate.  Large Herbivores are
>generally
>slow to bring calves to breeding age.  If  you affect the reproductive
>rate a
>population will go into decline, and become worse each year if you add
>habitat
>loss, Disruption of migration routes and any natural causes such as
>bad weather
>will put the population into a tailspin.  If you will recall, bison
>used to live
>east of the mississippi, and they were hunted and farmed out in short
>order.
>Your most onry' and disobdient hivernant
>Sega
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 15:11:17 -0600
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Afr-Amer trappers

>Long John, Henry & others,
>
>Just yesterday I ran across this page:
>
>http://www.coax.net/people/lwf/furtrade.htm
>
>It is Bill Gwaltney's essay "Beyond the Pale   African Americans in the Fur
>Trade West"  Excellent reading.  Is this the same info that you were
>looking >up, Henry?
>
>Red Coyote

RC,
Yes, exactly the same.  Bill told me it was on the web, but I could never
find it, and he couldn't remember the URL (who could.)  That's essentially
his lecture.  Thanks a bunch.

Cheers,
HBC



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******  Living History . . . Because It's There  ******

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 16:42:56 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Gum

Howdy friends

In the York Boat Bill of Goods, 1803 list found on the Mountain Man web page
there is an entry which puzzles me. It reads:  "12 lb.   Paper wrapped
packages of Gum"
What would this be? Perhaps some sort of glue? any ideas?

Happy Trails

Todd Glover

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:48:23 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Food the old way

Walt,
Sounds like some interesting reading. Where did you get it?

From the northwoods,

Tony Clark

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 17:57:33 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Food the old way

oops! Sent to wrong list!

Sorry


- -----Original Message-----
From: northwoods <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 5:28 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Food the old way


>Walt,
>Sounds like some interesting reading. Where did you get it?
>
>>From the northwoods,
>
>Tony Clark
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:50:45 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Gum

Todd,

As the bill of lading didn't come with instructions and was translated from
the
original French some of these items are a little mysterious. =20

Best guess is: it references pine pitch for repairing canoes.  It is in the
same section as other maintenance supplies, was a needed item, and is an
alternative term of the period.

It could be gum arabic, gum balsam, or any other of the various tree gums
commonly used during the period.  We can only be certain it wasn't=
 Wrigley's.

John...



At 04:42 PM 2/18/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Howdy friends
>
>In the York Boat Bill of Goods, 1803 list found on the Mountain Man web=
 page
>there is an entry which puzzles me. It reads:=A0 "12 lb.=A0=A0 Paper=
 wrapped
>packages of Gum"
>What would this be? Perhaps some sort of glue? any ideas?
>
>Happy Trails
>
>Todd Glover
>=20
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:32:11 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo extinction

Charlie,
The decline of the mule deer in Colorado is similar to the white tail deer
in PA forty years ago, population growth with cities getting larger and
larger. PA saw a time with the interbreeding and small sizes that they
closed the season for several years and brought in "stock deer" for
breeding. I know in 1955 you could buy four tags and take either sex, this
was a cleaning method of reducing the numbers, then the season closed. Funny
thing this method worked and now they seem to be reaching that time again.

In Colorado thirty five years ago the mule deer enjoyed large numbers with
little "plains" mulies or white tails, now the mule deer are going down for
several reasons and the "plains deer" and white tail herds are larger than
ever. I use to live on a farm northwest of Loveland CO and have had many
dealings with CSU and Fish & Game about sick mulies that needed to be put
down, many were found to have a brain disease (can't remember name, they
would stop eating), others were having lung problems (lost their total use
of part to all of a lung) similar to the Rocky Mountain Sheep. Many have
been just "stressed out" from the growth of humans and loss of previous
feeding ranges, or moved back so far that they have changed their feeding
habits. The research lab at CSU is an interesting place to visit in Ft.
Collins.

I was involved with the original small group that got the first muzzle
loading season in this state and lobbied for a dozen years to keep it (I'm
told that their are only 5 or 6 of that group left now), this season is not
a given, it has to have interested parties lobby every couple years to
retain it or - its history. We could never get it put on the books as a
regular season like high power or archery, the House still believes it cost
the tax payers to run a special season, that why the muzzle loading season
for elk and deer has always had low number for animals to be taken. Funny
how a few thousand permits are available, yet they have had over 50,000
requests and it doesn't make money !!!!

As far as the buffalo declining much of the problem has been hashed over
several times, most everyone's thoughts are pretty close, a combination of
differnet items and our government wanting to gain control of large pieces
of ground that the native Americans lived on, the easiest way was, get rid
of their food - the buffalo.

Sorry to get off the subject with the Colorado muzzle loading thing, its
just been part of me since the late '60's.

Buck

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charlie P. Webb <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo extinction


>Chris,
>Your comments also fit a problem we now have in Colorado,
>that is our declining Deer population.  The D.O.W. for
>years has poo pooed the idea that there were less Deer now
>residing within the State than there were 20 years ago.  Now
>that it is nearly too late to save the herd they are admitting
>that indeed the Deer population is and has been declining for
>several years and that they should have reacted earlier.
>Their plan/method of combatting this problem is all Deer
>licenses after 1999 will be draw only.  Kind of dumb to my way
>of thinking , but then I am not a wildlife biologist.  Little thought
>has been given to the fact that the existing three point restriction
>on Mule Deer Bucks puts the hunting pressure on the older more
>mature and genetically stronger Bucks.  When the stronger Bucks
>are harvested from the herd this leaves only the weaker less
>mature Bucks to carry on and perpetuate.  I personally enjoy
>hunting and occasionally taking nice big trophy sized Muley Buck,
>but if necessary to save our herd, I certainly would give up my
>hunting privileges to allow the Deer population to resurrect
>itself and possibly climb back in numbers to near their former high.
>If we eliminate the genetically strong Bucks, continue to encroach
>on their habitat and winter ranges, then all the Deer may go the
>way  of the Buff.  All of the above may be moot however as the
>Colorado State Wildlife Commission for various reasons (read
>in-line manufacturer pressures.) are seriously considering the total
>elimination of our special "Muzzle Loading Season"  (originally
>"Primitive Rifle Season") here in Colorado.
>Respectfully,
>Old Coyote
>CC CO

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:02:31 -0600
From: "Ron and Gayle Harris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty

: Re: MtMan-List: bounty

>Lanney,
> You are GOOD at one of a kind items from craftsmen, you are lucky there
>isn't a warning flyer out about you.. If you weren't so damned cuddly,
there
>would be a bounty on your ass...
>Love,
>D
>>
>GEEEZ, How vmuch bounty???
(per each or.............?)

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Date: 18 Feb 99 19:29:19 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware

Thanks for the address.  Will be contacting them soon.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

Laurel huber wrote:
>Okay, Keas Duo, here you go:
>    C & D Jarnagin Company
>    PO Box 1860
>    Corinth, MS 38835-1860
>Phone: [phone] or...www.avsia.com/jarnagin/jarnagin.html
>You want their 18th Century catalog(they do much Civil War stuff).  My
issue is
>from 1996 and cost $3.00.  Good luck.
>
>Larry Huber
>Shoots-the-Prairie
>
>Phyllis and Don Keas wrote:
>
>> Need one, so what would be the address, phone # or e-mail for
Jarnigin?
>>
>> DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
>>
>> Laurel huber wrote:
>> >Dear Joe,
>> >    I doubt that any trapper or Fur Brigade brought a coffee POT
along
>> with 'em.
>> >I'm referring to a flared bottomed, pitcher-shaped boiler with a lid,
>> handle and
>> >bail.  Like the kind cowboys use in all those movies. It was just too
>> >specific an
>> >item to pack along.  Coffee and tea kettles shaped like that did
exist
>> but
>> >stayed
>> >in the settlements indoors.  A coffee kettle(a tea kettle boils
water, a
>> tea pot
>> >brews tea in water)in the mountains would have been a straight-sided
>> can-shape
>> >with a bail.  It could be used for coffee, tea, water, stew, or soup.
>> There are
>> >nice sketches of them by Miller in his works: "Indians Encamped on
the
>> Eau Sucre
>> >River" and "Our Camp".  If you buy one by catalog from Jarnigin, it's
>> called an
>> >"1820 Period Coffee Pot" and is copied from a dig from a 6th US
Infantry
>> camp
>> >dated 1820.  Made of  heavy tin.  Works good for coffee and whatever.
>> >
>> >Larry "Shoots-the-Prairie" Huber
>> >
>> >[e-mail] wrote:
>> >
>> >> Since they didn't have enamel ware and coffee and tea were drank.
>> What did
>> >> they use for coffee pots?  I have seen copper tea pots, but what
about
>> coffee
>> >> pots?
>> >>
>> >>                                                 TrapRJoe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:54:42 -0800
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo extinction

Old Coyote,

I will agree, even with all of the science behind population biology the
problems with the managed herds still pop up.  too many damn beurocrats in
the wildlife departments.  And as usual we muzzleloaders get screwed.  On
the trophy idea.  Generally the really large bucks have already passed on
their genes and so it does not generally affect the genetics of the herd
too badly.  What is messing up the herds is lack of migration, which brings
new genes into the pool.

Your most onry' and disobedient hivernant.
Sega

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:02:48 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty

Ron,
 I figger he's worth $5. American....Mebby...
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ron and Gayle Harris <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:bounty


>: Re: MtMan-List: bounty
>
>>Lanney,
>> You are GOOD at one of a kind items from craftsmen, you are lucky there
>>isn't a warning flyer out about you.. If you weren't so damned cuddly,
>there
>>would be a bounty on your ass...
>>Love,
>>D
>>>
>>GEEEZ, How vmuch bounty???
>(per each or.............?)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 09:40:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo extinction

Colorado's problem is from having a bunch of anti-hunting people on their
wildlife commission.  To reinstate trapping could help the deer population as
this natural predator as had the pressure taken off, since trapping has been
so strictly restricted.

                            TrapRJoe

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:28:24 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: special hunting seasons

The biggest problem Joe is, lack of support by the hunters, EX.: when 50,000
plus apply for a muzzle loading permit and the membership of the Colorado
State Muzzle Loading Assn (the group that keeps the season by lobbing for
it) is less than 1,500, few listen to their wants. This has been a problem
since day one of this season (several of us where there from the begining),
and 1,500 is probably about 300 heavy. I have sat on a number of boards
working with the DOW, the bottom line is how many you can get to lobby, in
20 years of pushing this season in a number of positions for the CSMLA an
average lobby number is 250-300 on a good turn-out, the board for the DOW
looks at a turn-out like that as a joke. We would get better support for the
season from out of state hunters like, Texas, Kansas and several east coast
states, than the guy down the street with his new TC he's never shot, but
applied for a permit because its a nice time of the year.

In Pennsylvania, their season is on the books as a "regular available
hunting season", why because they have hunters that will do what is needed
to keep their season, as many of the other states across this land have also
done. I know about this season in PA and how the system works from a
relation that has been involved on the ground floor since it was started.

The Colorado Archery Assn. pulls 700-800 for a lobby turn-out, we have never
figured what it takes to get those wanting this season to work for it, too
easy to let others do the work, make the calls and write the letters.

Same thing happened with Denver and its gun laws within the city, now we're
trying to get them thrown out for a better state wide law and again its
about numbers again, good chance we maybe stuck with what's on the books,
hope not, but when the talley is taken who knows.

Buck

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo extinction


>Colorado's problem is from having a bunch of anti-hunting people on their
>wildlife commission.  To reinstate trapping could help the deer population
as
>this natural predator as had the pressure taken off, since trapping has
been
>so strictly restricted.
>
> TrapRJoe
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:54:06 -0700
From: "Charlie P. Webb" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo extinction

Buck Conner,
Don't disagree with your post one bit, but would like to say that
there are a lot of us out in woods that do appreciate you and the
group ( yes I know a good many of the outhouse gang ! ) for
all of your efforts, time and out of pocket moneys spent
fighting for our muzzle loading rights and needs.  It may seem
that your efforts have been forgotten or gone unnoticed, but that
simply is not so!!  What we have enjoyed these past years is
indeed the fruits of those who have gone before us,  and I
guarantee we will continue to fight for the same reasons you
all did.  We do have a big obstacle facing us now, but with
input from CSMLA members and hopefully a united front of
the muzzle loading community  (meaning more folks joining
and supporting the CSMLA) I believe the fight will be a good
one.   I must sadly admit that I feel that the Commission may
have already made  it's decision and is simply playing a game
with us.  They have done that many times in the past, why
should this issue be any different?  Hope I am wrong.

Respectfully,
Charlie
CC CO

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 13:16:21 -0700
From: "Charlie P. Webb" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re:Colorado Woe's

TrapR Joe,
You will be certainly welcome at the CSMLA Wildlife Meeting
Saturday March 6th at 10:00 AM  at the Radisson Hotel.
Greystone Castle Thornton Colorado I-25 and 120th Ave to
present  your ideas to our board.  We have not ceased to fight
for the Primitive Hunting Season since Buck Conners left the
scene,  however the battle is much more uphill now than it was
then.  The issue at that time was acquiring a special season
for primitive rifles.  It was a long and difficult battle and those
who fought it and stayed out the fight are to be strongly
applauded, it was a good and just cause.  The issue now is
what must we do to save what we have fought so long and
hard for? The meeting Saturday is to hear what the CSMLA
members feel we should do, what plan of attack do we adopt.
It would be easy for us the members of the board to offer our
best opinion, but that most likely would not be same opinion
as that of muzzle loaders through out the state we have been
elected to represent.  Our goal is to represent all Colorado
muzzle loaders and hopefully design a plan that will appeal
to the D.O.W. and the Wildlife Commission that will allow us
to retain our hunting season.  Everyone will be welcome to
attend the Wildlife meeting, so y'alll come!  Buck, your post
was dead nuts on,  numbers stated are very accurate and
content told it like it is!  Buck if you can  make it, I'll bring
ya yer badge!   TrapR Joe, I don't disagree one bit with your
comments,  it was a dumb thing eliminating trapping.  Many
D.O.W folks agree as well, but as you well know  "Politics rule"!
The only reason most of the Commission members are on it, is
because of their stroking the Governor (there is another name
for it <<GGG>>) to gain his political favor.  They have little or
no background for what they are appointed to do.
    List; Please accept my apology for using your time
and band width  to voice Colorado's hunting woe's. I have
done so because I believe the out come of Colorados muzzle
loading season battle might possibly impact all states and their
muzzle loading  rights or hunting seasons in the near future.

Respectfully,
Old Coyote

>state trapping could help the deer
>population as
>this natural predator as had the pressure taken off, since trapping
>has been
>so strictly restricted.
>
>                            TrapRJoe
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:09:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: special hunting seasons

Buck,
Seems like the same old problem nationwide.  We have it in New England also.
Problem is when there is an anti-trapping bill, not only do the anti-trapping
people show up but all the anti-hunting, anti-muzzleloading, anti-fishing and
all the other "anti's" show up.  Who usually shows up on our side?  You got
it.  On a trapping bill, the trappers show up.  On a muzzle loading bill, the
MLs show up, etc.  If we can only learn to all support each other, the results
could be significantly different.  Imagine what would happen if at an anti-
trapping hearing not only the trappers showed up, but ML hunters, Bow hunters,
regular hunters, and fishermen all showed up to support the trappers!  It high
time we learn to support one another if we want trapping, bowhunting, muzzle
loading, regular hunting and even fishing activities to survive.  What was it?
We better all hang together or we will surely all hang separately.  Sure
enough!  Unfortunately, apathy on our side usually prevails and the "anti's"
win out because they stick together and support all anti-sport programs.  It
seems that, in this case, quantity and not quality often wins out.
Take care,
Bob "Hawker" Valade

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 19:50:48 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: special hunting seasons

Charlie, Bob and members of this list,

The two replies by Charlie and the one by Bob show that we need to band
together if we want to keep our hunting freedoms, as well as the other
wonderful pleasures we are allowed to have living in these United States.
Look at our friends to the north, many of their laws are ones we are
starting to see appear here, first they lost their side arms, now complete
registration by the first part of the new century.

Brothers and sisters this can, and possibly will happen here, Charles E.
Hanson Jr (Museum of the Fur Trade) friend, told me twenty five years ago
that someday it will happen as mentioned, because of the poor support that
the sportsman show when asked for letters, calls or just changing your vote
for an elected officals. A few years ago he told me that he would have been
better off buying collectable cars than the fur trade guns, because when
they come to plug the barrels, he'll burn the whole damn mess, along with
the collecters.

As we all grow older, many of us are starting to see where he was coming
from, what the hell does it take to get all to work as a group, all
sportsman, to save a gift that our forefathers fought and died for. Small
groups do not work, we have tried that, many a family have been broken up
because of the deciation and long hours given to the cause by some of the
ones fighting for all. I know and several of the old gang know that we
should have taken care of business at home, instead of the sportsman's
business, that's all water under the bridge. I told Grizz Ball, many of you
know him (one of the Out-House Gang in Colorado) when we go to the other
side, lets hope we are remembered as the ones that fought, and maybe they'll
forget all the ass chewings we handed out in the fight.

Damn it boys I thought we were over the hump, but from what Charlie says,
here we go again. This new wife is better than the other one and she knows
me pretty good, so Charlie, have a badge ready I'll be there at 10:00 AM in
Thornton, CO, need to trade a work day but I be there.

See Bob, once you get involved and have been in the fight you can't stop for
what you believe in, you an Charlie and a few others are like that too. Its
like you and your brothers in the east, your always busy fighting one
problem after another for them and half of them don't even say "thanks",
Charlie and the group in Colorado are the same, the only thing you'll here
is, the one wanting to know why he didn't get what he wanted. I don't know
how to get all of the sportsman to come together and work as a large body,
hell the NRA has been trying for a century.

Friends in Canada say they were fighting a loosing battle before they got
started, and it seems like it has come home to roost, so lets hope everyone
passes the word on to friends and sportsman that are not on this list, to
get involved with what's happening in your state, join your local
associations, join the NRA, write those letter to your elected folks, let
them know they can kiss your vote good bye if they don't help make a stand.

Please excuse me for taking up so much space, when our rights are messed
with I go off on a fit, the wife says someday I get locked up for expressing
myself to the wrong people. I guess if that's what it takes to get their
attention, so be it.

Buck
_______________________________
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: special hunting seasons


>Buck,
>Seems like the same old problem nationwide.  We have it in New England
also.
>Problem is when there is an anti-trapping bill, not only do the
anti-trapping
>people show up but all the anti-hunting, anti-muzzleloading, anti-fishing
and
>all the other "anti's" show up.  Who usually shows up on our side?  You got
>it.  On a trapping bill, the trappers show up.  On a muzzle loading bill,
the
>MLs show up, etc.  If we can only learn to all support each other, the
results
>could be significantly different.  Imagine what would happen if at an anti-
>trapping hearing not only the trappers showed up, but ML hunters, Bow
hunters,
>regular hunters, and fishermen all showed up to support the trappers!  It
high
>time we learn to support one another if we want trapping, bowhunting,
muzzle
>loading, regular hunting and even fishing activities to survive.  What was
it?
>We better all hang together or we will surely all hang separately.  Sure
>enough!  Unfortunately, apathy on our side usually prevails and the
"anti's"
>win out because they stick together and support all anti-sport programs.
It
>seems that, in this case, quantity and not quality often wins out.
>Take care,
>Bob "Hawker" Valade
>

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Date: 19 Feb 99 20:10:03 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention

How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention in
Denver in March?

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 22:02:19 -0600
From: "Douglas  Hepner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Wes Housler

    Does anyone know where I may aquire "Dress and Equipage of the Mountain
Men" by Wes Housler?

"Dull Hawk"

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:54:00 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention

If I lived in Colorado, most definately... However, I live in Florida...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
To: History Text <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention


>How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention in
>Denver in March?
>
>DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 00:54:28 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wes Housler

Check with Amazon.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Hepner <[e-mail]>
To: Mtn Man Discussion Group <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 11:06 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Wes Housler


>    Does anyone know where I may aquire "Dress and Equipage of the Mountain
>Men" by Wes Housler?
>
>"Dull Hawk"
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:23:08 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Winter Convention

Can you tell us more about this event.  Maybe a "few" of us from FLa. can go
or maybe next year with more notice.

Linda Holley

sean wrote:

> If I lived in Colorado, most definately... However, I live in Florida...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
> To: History Text <[e-mail]>
> Date: Friday, February 19, 1999 10:08 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Winter Convention
>
> >How many of us on this list will be at the CSMLRA Winter Convention in
> >Denver in March?
> >
> >DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants
> >
> >
> >
> >

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