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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:15:30 -0700
From: David A Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #239 (Tin ware)

You could check with Jack Powers at "Deer Creek Tinshop" in Utah number
is 801-654-2626.

He does some great work, and I have had no problems with what he has
done.

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:30:27 -0800
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde

well i went to my first ronde at which i had all my goods in possession.
drop front breeches, onasburg shirt covering my hand made linen shirt,
new rifle and a flinter at that,and a  pair of hand sewn side seam elk
skin mocc's !  whew , that's a mouth full !
  to make a long story short. i enjoyed myself completely. i also learned
a few good lessons, the most important first
1. always check and adjust double set triggers before going on the range.
i don't set it till i have it pointed in the direction of my shot , but
it was a surprise none the less.
2. soft sole mocc's and large gravel don't mix
3.always meet nature on the front step, when yer wearin drop front
britches, if you wait for her to come a knockin yer pants might be a
soppin.
YMHS, Terry L Landis

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:35:05 -0800
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's

what materiel was most favored in the construction of hard sole mocc's? i
have several books but none seem to give a specific kind of materiel to
use. also what is parfleche?
any good books or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
YMHS, Terry L Landis

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:04:06 -0800
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's

A parfletch is a container made from rawhide.  They can be almost any shape,
the most common being much like a large folded envelope.

In the southwest,  heavy rawhide was also used for moccasin sloes, though I
don't particularly care for it as it loses its shape and gets slick when
wet.

Stargazer
- -----Original Message-----
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:38 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's


>what materiel was most favored in the construction of hard sole mocc's? i
>have several books but none seem to give a specific kind of materiel to
>use. also what is parfleche?
>any good books or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
>YMHS, Terry L Landis
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:11:06 -0600
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

Ok boys and girls.  How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who
aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He
may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question.  Does anybody
have any idea how to make the stuff ?
Pendleton

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:10:10 -0800
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde

Terry,
I'm glad that you enjoyed most things about your first doins.  It just keeps
getting better and better.

Being female, I wouldn't know about the dropfronts, but I can imagine it
takes a while to undo all those buttons.  As for the mocs, it helps to put a
piece of harder, thick leather, about like you'd make a belt from, inside
then like an insole.  For added comfort, a layer of sheepskin with the fur
on is nice.

Take care,
Stargazer


- -----Original Message-----
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:34 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde


>well i went to my first ronde at which i had all my goods in possession.
>drop front breeches, onasburg shirt covering my hand made linen shirt,
>new rifle and a flinter at that,and a  pair of hand sewn side seam elk
>skin mocc's !  whew , that's a mouth full !
>  to make a long story short. i enjoyed myself completely. i also learned
>a few good lessons, the most important first
>1. always check and adjust double set triggers before going on the range.
>i don't set it till i have it pointed in the direction of my shot , but
>it was a surprise none the less.
>2. soft sole mocc's and large gravel don't mix
>3.always meet nature on the front step, when yer wearin drop front
>britches, if you wait for her to come a knockin yer pants might be a
>soppin.
>YMHS, Terry L Landis
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:15:31 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde

terry l landis wrote:

> well i went to my first ronde at which i had all my goods in possession.
>
> 3.always meet nature on the front step, when yer wearin drop front
> britches, if you wait for her to come a knockin yer pants might be a
> soppin.
> YMHS, Terry L Landis

Terry,
You care to elaborate a bit on #3 above? Sounds like the makings of a
Mountain Name. <G> I remain.......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>

>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:21:06 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's

terry l landis wrote:

> what materiel was most favored in the construction of hard sole mocc's?

Terry,

That is a hard question to answer as you have found out. Raw Hide works as
has been pointed out but in your country it will be so much slime in about 10
minutes. <G> Although there may not be any clear historical documentation for
it, I recommend the use of any bark or oil tanned leather as a good start to
making mocs that will deal with sharp ground.

The plains moc may have had extra soles but probably of just more layers of
brain tan. That is an option but it will only help so much and then you just
have to get your feet in shape. I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:25:42 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

larry pendleton wrote:

> Ok boys and girls.  How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who
> aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He
> may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question.  Does anybody
> have any idea how to make the stuff ?
> Pendleton

Pendelton,

You called it when you said he may be half a bubble off. Several bricks shy of
a full load, is a good one. Doesn't have both oars in the water, is another
one. Yea, I know how to make it but the process of making Black Powder is
really too dangerous and results in less than a satisfactory product to be
worth the danger and effort. So I ain't gona tell. I remain.......

Otherwise-
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:44:44 -0800
From: Laurel huber <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Graniteware

Dear Joe,
    I doubt that any trapper or Fur Brigade brought a coffee POT along with 'em.
I'm referring to a flared bottomed, pitcher-shaped boiler with a lid, handle and
bail.  Like the kind cowboys use in all those movies. It was just too specific an
item to pack along.  Coffee and tea kettles shaped like that did exist but stayed
in the settlements indoors.  A coffee kettle(a tea kettle boils water, a tea pot
brews tea in water)in the mountains would have been a straight-sided can-shape
with a bail.  It could be used for coffee, tea, water, stew, or soup.  There are
nice sketches of them by Miller in his works: "Indians Encamped on the Eau Sucre
River" and "Our Camp".  If you buy one by catalog from Jarnigin, it's called an
"1820 Period Coffee Pot" and is copied from a dig from a 6th US Infantry camp
dated 1820.  Made of  heavy tin.  Works good for coffee and whatever.

Larry "Shoots-the-Prairie" Huber

[e-mail] wrote:

> Since they didn't have enamel ware and coffee and tea were drank.  What did
> they use for coffee pots?  I have seen copper tea pots, but what about coffee
> pots?
>
>                                                 TrapRJoe

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:56:34 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

I recall this topic being covered in a Foxfire volume (possible Vol 5???).
The hard part is making the saltpeter, although the sulfur and fine-grain
charcoal are non trivial problems as well. The historic process involved
digging up and leaching the nitrates which form at the bottom of dung piles
(other sources include the guano in bat caves). The mixing, milling, corning
etc of powder is no doubt dangerous as noted previously. Foxfire reported
that their process yielded a somewhat weak and sooty powder - I guess it's
quite an accomplishment if it worked at all, and one can see why the French
and English stuff was preferred over locally made product in colonial times.
I remember the leaching system was at least as complicated as setting up one
of those sluice troughs gold panners use to screen their their diggings.
Pat Quilter

- -----Original Message-----
From: larry pendleton [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 7:11 PM
To: mountain lists
Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER


Ok boys and girls.  How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who
aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He
may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question.  Does anybody
have any idea how to make the stuff ?
Pendleton

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:10:18 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

Larry,

 If your friend is "DEAD" set on making his own powder, see if you can have
his good stuff first, and get it in WRITING....

Dennis

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -
>-----Original Message-----
>From: larry pendleton [mailto:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 7:11 PM
>To: mountain lists
>Subject: MtMan-List: SALT PETER
>
>
>Ok boys and girls.  How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who
>aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He
>may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question.  Does anybody
>have any idea how to make the stuff ?
>Pendleton
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:45:22 -0500
From: "sean" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde

heh... Soppin Landis... yeppers... it do sorta have a ring to it...


- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: my first equipped ronde


>
>
>terry l landis wrote:
>
>> well i went to my first ronde at which i had all my goods in possession.
>>
>> 3.always meet nature on the front step, when yer wearin drop front
>> britches, if you wait for her to come a knockin yer pants might be a
>> soppin.
>> YMHS, Terry L Landis
>
>Terry,
>You care to elaborate a bit on #3 above? Sounds like the makings of a
>Mountain Name. <G> I remain.......
>
>YMOS
>Capt. Lahti'
>
>>
>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:53:43 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

Roger Lahti wrote:
>
> larry pendleton wrote:
>
> > Ok boys and girls.  How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who
> > aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He
> > may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question.  Does anybody
> > have any idea how to make the stuff ?
> > Pendleton
>
> Pendelton,
>
> You called it when you said he may be half a bubble off. Several bricks shy of
> a full load, is a good one. Doesn't have both oars in the water, is another
> one. Yea, I know how to make it but the process of making Black Powder is
> really too dangerous and results in less than a satisfactory product to be
> worth the danger and effort. So I ain't gona tell. I remain.......

Neither will I.  It's just too dangerous to consider.

Fred

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:45:39 -0600
From: Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's

Washtahay-
At 06:35 PM 2/15/99 -0800, Yellow Mocs wrote:
>what materiel was most favored in the construction of hard sole mocc's? i
>have several books but none seem to give a specific kind of materiel to
>use. also what is parfleche?
    Well, parfleche is rawhide.  For moc soles, buff rawhide works best.
Works great on the plains, most of the time.  If it rains, they get slick.
So do all other mocs, so I can't see any difference.
    I usually make regular plains-style one piece or two-piece mocs, then sew
soles of buff rawhide on the outside.  Its a pain to make, but I don't
worry about cactus.  Such mocs were used by various tribes in the early 1800s.
    I'd recommend against the use of oil-tanned leather for soles-they are
slick ALL the time, and they don't last as long as some other leathers,
such as oak tan.  YMMV, of course.
LongWalker c. du B.


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:30:31 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hard sole mocc's

In a message dated 99-02-15 21:39:10 EST, you write:

<<  also what is parfleche? >>

Parfleche = rawhide.  Aslo sometimes refered to as "parchment" (Lewis & Clark
journals).  As previously stated, containers made of rawhide were also called
parfleche.

NM

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:52:10 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: MtMan-List: Austin & Halleck

Does anyone know about a company called  Austin & Halleck in the Rifle Business?
B

- --
"The Price Of Freedom
     Is Not Free"

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:55:45 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blast January 1998

Anyone who has a copy of this Issue and would be will to part with it for a few
day, or copy something out of it for me please contact me off list.

Thanks,

B

- --
"The Price Of Freedom
     Is Not Free"

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:02:55 -0500
From: "Mill, Kirk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

>  Subject:    MtMan-List: SALT PETER
>
> Ok boys and girls.  How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who
> aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch.
> He
> may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question.  Does anybody
> have any idea how to make the stuff ?
> Pendleton
    [Mill, Kirk]  One of the Foxfire books has fairly detailed
instructions on making salt petre. It looks pretty time consuming and of
course the consensus of the list is homemade BP is a recipe for disaster. If
your buddy is so intent on making powder from scratch, where does intend to
find the sulphur? Does he have a volcano in his back yard?
    Kirk Mill

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:04:38 -0700 (MST)
From: [e-mail] (BRUCE S. DE LIS)
Subject: MtMan-List: Powder Horn Care & Cracking Prevention

I recently read a discussion of how to repair a crack in a Powder Horn.  I do no
t know how the horn got it 's crack or if the crack could have been prevented.  B
ut when the horn was attached to it original owner it was alive, and being consta
ntly supplied with Blood, etc.  Than it was transformed into a Powder Horn, many
of which are real works of art, cost hundred of dollars.  Is there something that
 you can treat the outside surface of Powder Horns with that will keep them shinn
y looking, and prevent this boney material from drying out and cracking.

Any secret you posses would be appreciated,

B

- --
"The Price Of Freedom
     Is Not Free"

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:17:16 -0600
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Responses to my (Henry's)post

Yes, we all know that, TV notwithstanding.  Good historians do not use
fictionalized TV and cinematic drama as a basis for scholarly conclusions.
If we did, we would not know that there were also very many trappers and
traders African descent, like myself (I'm also 1/16 Cherokee on my father's
side)

HBC


>    Many Indians trapped also. Not just the whites. The whites may have
>exploited that, but the facts are they trapped, and hunted for furs also. I
>have spent a lot of time researching the history of native Americans
>(particularly plains). They were just as profit minded as the rest. I
>beleive that Indians (as well as the trappers) used more of the animals
>they killed and waisted less out of necessity for life. I think a lot of
>this misconseption is T.V. related. I hope I don't offend anyone with this
>note but research this and you will come to the same conclusion.
>
>"Dull Hawk"
>

****************************************
Henry B. Crawford    Box 43191
Curator of History    Museum of Texas Tech University
[e-mail]    Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
806/742-2442     FAX [phone]
              Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because It's There  ******

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:22:35 -0600
From: "Henry B. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Men on History Channel

>Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 23:16:26 -0500
>From: greg n bosen <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Men on History Channel
>
>do you happen to know the time the the showing???
>
>greg b

I'm sure it would be prime time, and repeated later in the evening.  I'll
call Brian and ask.

HBC

****************************************
Henry B. Crawford    Box 43191
Curator of History    Museum of Texas Tech University
[e-mail]    Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
806/742-2442     FAX [phone]
              Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
******  Living History . . . Because It's There  ******

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:43:59 -0500
From: "Mill, Kirk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blast January 1998

> Anyone who has a copy of this Issue and would be will to part with it for
> a few
> day, or copy something out of it for me please contact me off list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> B
    [Mill, Kirk]  Got the copy right here. Where do you want me to send
it?
    Kirk Mill

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:40:35 -0600
From: Don Neighbors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

You can buy sulpher at a drug store. I have made my own for a school
project. It doesnot work very well. Black powder today is mix in a
solution. This allows everything to mix together better. It is also
against the law. A.T.F. has very tight rules.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:17:40 -0800
From: Tom Roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner?

Probably a dumb question, but since reproduction barrels use modern
metallurgy, and since BP residue is so corrosive, hasn't anyone
considered using a barrel liner of some non-corroding alloy? Certainly
it would add to the price (difficult to machine) and to the weight
(maybe 1 lb) but the advantage may make it worthwhile.  There are high
strength alloys which are also highly corrosion resistant (and also
rather expensive) that could insure a lifetime barrel with greatly
reduced maintenance requirements.  I'm going to duck now and enjoy the
barrage from a safe vantage point.

Tom.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:13:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner?

Tom,

Probably the first salvo you are going to get will be over the authenticity
issue.
Sure there are modern ways to improve on almost every aspect of our clothing
and equipment, but that's not the point. If we did we'd all look like Cabela's
supplied duck hunters.

happy trails

Todd Glover

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:26:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner?

In a message dated 99-02-16 17:07:01 EST, you write:

> Probably a dumb question

There are no dumb questions; only dumb people who ask them.

>  since reproduction barrels use modern
>  metallurgy, and since BP residue is so corrosive, hasn't anyone
>  considered using a barrel liner of some non-corroding alloy?

Barrel liners are available.  They cost more than a new barrel, plus the added
cost of having them installed.  What's the point?  Unless trying to salvage an
old unreplaceable original, they serve no useful purpose.

>  There are high
>  strength alloys which are also highly corrosion resistant (and also
>  rather expensive) that could insure a lifetime barrel with greatly
>  reduced maintenance requirements.

Lifetime barrels are, and always have been, available.  They are on the guns
of people who practice routine maintenance.  Contrary to your statement about
BP being so corrosive, it is only so in the guns of those who practice greatly
reduced maintenance.  For a discussion of those people, kindly refer to part 2
of statement 1 in reply to your first question.

>  I'm going to duck now and enjoy the barrage from a safe vantage point.

Thank you for the invitation for a little target practice.

OldFox

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:03:25 -0600
From: "stitchinscot" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Responses to my (Henry's)post

Could you document the trappers and traders of African decent for me please.
It would be interesting to know.  Thank you in advance:  Long John
- -----Original Message-----
From: Henry B. Crawford <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:27 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Responses to my (Henry's)post


>
>Yes, we all know that, TV notwithstanding.  Good historians do not use
>fictionalized TV and cinematic drama as a basis for scholarly conclusions.
>If we did, we would not know that there were also very many trappers and
>traders African descent, like myself (I'm also 1/16 Cherokee on my father's
>side)
>
>HBC
>
>
>>    Many Indians trapped also. Not just the whites. The whites may have
>>exploited that, but the facts are they trapped, and hunted for furs also.
I
>>have spent a lot of time researching the history of native Americans
>>(particularly plains). They were just as profit minded as the rest. I
>>beleive that Indians (as well as the trappers) used more of the animals
>>they killed and waisted less out of necessity for life. I think a lot of
>>this misconseption is T.V. related. I hope I don't offend anyone with this
>>note but research this and you will come to the same conclusion.
>>
>>"Dull Hawk"
>>
>
>****************************************
>Henry B. Crawford Box 43191
>Curator of History Museum of Texas Tech University
>[e-mail] Lubbock, TX  79409-3191
>806/742-2442 FAX [phone]
>              Website: http://www.ttu.edu/~museum
>******  Living History . . . Because It's There  ******
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:09:09 -0600
From: "stitchinscot" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Powder Horn Care & Cracking Prevention

Bruce:  Repairing a horn (other than the rawhide leather wraps that I've
seen on some originals) is out of my league but if you want to protect and
polish up a horn, then just good old handrubbed bees wax is the ticket.  I
have heard of some old timers using wet black powder on the outside (rubbed
in) to repell bugs, but that sounds a little strange to me nor have I tried
it.   Y. obnt S    Long John
- -----Original Message-----
From: BRUCE S. DE LIS <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:16 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Powder Horn Care & Cracking Prevention


>
>
>I recently read a discussion of how to repair a crack in a Powder Horn.  I
do no
>t know how the horn got it 's crack or if the crack could have been
prevented.  B
>ut when the horn was attached to it original owner it was alive, and being
consta
>ntly supplied with Blood, etc.  Than it was transformed into a Powder Horn,
many
>of which are real works of art, cost hundred of dollars.  Is there
something that
> you can treat the outside surface of Powder Horns with that will keep them
shinn
>y looking, and prevent this boney material from drying out and cracking.
>
>Any secret you posses would be appreciated,
>
>B
>
>--
>"The Price Of Freedom
>     Is Not Free"
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:14:33 -0800
From: terry l landis <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: soppin Landis?

well there wernt no soppin goin on but there were a frightful few moments
of hopin and pullin and tugin after 2 hrs in the car and several Pepsi's.

YMHS, Terry L Landis

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:38:19 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

Larry,
    Foxfire 5 has a section on the leaching of saltpeter from bat guano.
It is fairly indepth as it includes photographs of all devices used for
leaching.
ISBN 0-385-14308-7 pg. 253
   Bill Vannoy

larry pendleton wrote:

> Ok boys and girls.  How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who
> aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He
> may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question.  Does anybody
> have any idea how to make the stuff ?
> Pendleton

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:38:19 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: SALT PETER

Larry,
    Foxfire 5 has a section on the leaching of saltpeter from bat guano.
It is fairly indepth as it includes photographs of all devices used for
leaching.
ISBN 0-385-14308-7 pg. 253
   Bill Vannoy

larry pendleton wrote:

> Ok boys and girls.  How do you make salt peter ? A buddy of mine who
> aspires to make his own black powder, wants to make it all from scratch. He
> may be a half bubble off plumb, but it is a good question.  Does anybody
> have any idea how to make the stuff ?
> Pendleton

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:53:43 -0800
From: Tom Roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Barrel Liner?

Fair question.   I am highly supportive of authenticity wherever it makes sense
(usually always).   I suspect that the barrel of whatever you are shooting was not
manufactured using the materials or techniques that would have been common
practice in 1800, primarily for reasons of safety.  In fact, I suspect that
extremely few shooters even know the alloy of their barrels.   I do not pretend to
be metallurgically knowledgeable but I expect that using a more corrosion
resistant alloy would not degrade our authenticity one bit. The only problem I
forsee, would be the inability to brown a barrel, if that was the desired finish,
if the whole barrel was corrosion resistant alloy and not just lined - thus, the
liner concept.   I knew this could be controversial, thanks for only using a small
charge!

Tom

[e-mail] wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Probably the first salvo you are going to get will be over the authenticity
> issue.
> Sure there are modern ways to improve on almost every aspect of our clothing
> and equipment, but that's not the point. If we did we'd all look like Cabela's
> supplied duck hunters.
>
> happy trails
>
> Todd Glover

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:46:15 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: soppin Landis?

terry l landis wrote:

> well there wernt no soppin goin on but there were a frightful few moments
> of hopin and pullin and tugin after 2 hrs in the car and several Pepsi's.
>
> YMHS, Terry L Landis

Terry,

Well that helps a little but what are we talking here? What sounds more
appropriate, "Groaper Landis" or "Short stroke Landis"? What I always found
frustrating was Winter time when it was real cold and a guy's dressed warm.
He finds he has 3 inches of cloths on and only 2 inches of reach! Perhaps
this is a design flaw in the drop fronts? <G> Perhaps we should dub you
"Handful"? <G> or "Dances with...."? <G> I remain.......

YMOS
CApt. Lahti'

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