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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 00:39:07 -0500
From: "Lewis K Raper" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR

Oh, yes charred cotton cheese cloth works real good. You just about can't
put that stuff out! that is what I have been using for about a year.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Hepner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 1999 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR


>    I think maybe a lot of people must not even know if their jute is
>treated or not. Guess I just found out why this discussion group is so
>important!
>    As for char, try using 100% cotton cheese cloth.
>
>Dull Hawk
>
>----------
>> From: yellow rose/pendleton <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: MtMan-List: JUTE
>> Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:35 AM
>>
>> Roger,
>>   Thanks for the info on jute. I've been using the stuff for years, and
>did
>> not know it had been treated with a cleaning agent. All I knew was it
>would
>> burn like crazy. I will no longer use it. Yes I to have seen folks use
>> tinder that had to have been enhanced with something. There are lots of
>> ways to accomplish, but I won't get into  them here. [ no need in
>> encouraging such practices]  Even jute won't literally explode into
>flames
>> every single time. When I put on a fire starting contest, I always
>> specified using natural tinder such as cedar bark, grass, etc. When i can
>> get them dry enough, I like to provide pine needles for the contestants.
>I
>> think this gives all of us a better opportunity to learn to use what our
>> forefathers used which was whatever was at hand.
>>   A good tip on char, is to char the strings you pull off the fringe of a
>> new frock or the ones you pull off the edge of ticking patch material.
>They
>> work reall well and it goes back to not wasting anything. You will find
>it
>> catches a spark almost immediately and when you blow on it , it turns
>into
>> a solid glowing ember. Try it you'll like it.
>> Pendleton
>>
>

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 01:42:20 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Real Bird's Nests

Dear Angela (and the list), My posting was no joke; I get my 'nests' from a
buddy who is an arborist for a local city, and collects bags full of them from
trees that are being cut down or trimmed. Hardly likely they are going to be
used after that, and they work like a champ to start fires.  I do appreciate
your advise about them being protected; being a resident of California, I
should have known. Here, rocks and double-murderers are protected by law and
guns are soon to become an endangered species.    yhs, 'Barney Fife'

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 06:37:46 -0600
From: "Glenn Darilek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flax

>Of course, lacing the tinder
>with an accelerate is cheating, plain and simple.

Right, rules must be specified.  But specifying that the tinder must
be period correct does not prevent the use of "accelerators".
In Noah Smithwick's "The Evolution of a State or Recollections of
Old Texas Days," he described how they used to rub gunpowder
into cloth for a fire starter.

BTW, Smithwick is a good read, and it is available on-line.
 http://www.erols.com/hardeman/lonestar/olbooks/smithwic/otd.htm

Iron Burner

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:21:18 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Brain Tan

If your hides are smelling bad, they are deteriorating. According to Dave
Christenson, this is not normal. You are allowing bateria to produce. If
you change your soak water every day, this should not happen. Once hide
begin to smell, you take the chance of blood poisoning occuring to
yourself. Soaking hides to loosen hair is done to disolve the glues in the
hide and cause hide swelling due to a raise in Ph. Yes the hides will brain
tan soft even if they smell bad, but why work with stinking hides? Braining
can remove some of the smell and smoking covers alot of it. Some folks add
a bit of soap to brains or wash brained hides in ivory soap to clean hide
Joe

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:50:18 -0700
From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40

Hey Barn! (always wanted to say that)

I live in Flagstaff. Why dont you let me know when you'll be coming. At the
very least we'll go for coffee. Williams ain't much to see unless you like
early 1900's trains (not much mtn man stuff, it was named for Williams in
1853 by the Corps of Topographical Engineers to honor the ol cuss. there's
no real evidence the ever spent time there. Meteor Crater is a neat big
hole, but if you have time, the Grand Canyon is only two hours round trip
out of your way. Get in touch.

Vic

Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin

AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
"Aux aliments du pays!"

Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:52:05 -0600
From: Don Neighbors <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man School

Seems like their use to be a school out west. This would be a good ideal
maybe to start one.  If not  would like to spent some time in the mtns.
Are there any trails or trips anyone could tell me about.

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:56:57 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40

Aw, Vic, offer to treat the man to a few pulls from your hot sauce =
bottle.  I know you desert rats do that because I have seen it with my =
own two eyes!!  Remember?
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40


>Hey Barn! (always wanted to say that)
>
>I live in Flagstaff. Why dont you let me know when you'll be coming. At =
the
>very least we'll go for coffee. Williams ain't much to see unless you =
like
>early 1900's trains (not much mtn man stuff, it was named for Williams =
in
>1853 by the Corps of Topographical Engineers to honor the ol cuss. =
there's
>no real evidence the ever spent time there. Meteor Crater is a neat big
>hole, but if you have time, the Grand Canyon is only two hours round =
trip
>out of your way. Get in touch.
>
>Vic
>
>Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin
>
>AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
>"Aux aliments du pays!"
>
>Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
>Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:31:01 -0700
From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40

Yeah Lanny I remember... Had ta run outa rum, whisky and aguiardiente first
though! Well Barn, ol hoss, whats yer pleasure?

Vic

>Aw, Vic, offer to treat the man to a few pulls from your hot sauce bottle.
>I know you desert rats do that because I have seen it with my own two
>eyes!!  Remember?
>Lanney
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vic Barkin <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 9:40 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Points of Interest Near Interstate 40
>
>
>>Hey Barn! (always wanted to say that)
>>
>>I live in Flagstaff. Why dont you let me know when you'll be coming. At the
>>very least we'll go for coffee. Williams ain't much to see unless you like
>>early 1900's trains (not much mtn man stuff, it was named for Williams in
>>1853 by the Corps of Topographical Engineers to honor the ol cuss. there's
>>no real evidence the ever spent time there. Meteor Crater is a neat big
>>hole, but if you have time, the Grand Canyon is only two hours round trip
>>out of your way. Get in touch.
>>
>>Vic
>>
>>Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin
>>
>>AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
>>"Aux aliments du pays!"
>>
>>Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
>>Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998
>>
>>
>>
>>


Vic "Barkin Dawg" Barkin

AMM #1534 Three Rivers Party
"Aux aliments du pays!"

Booshway of the Powderhorn Clan of Arizona
Celebrating our 50th anniversary 1948-1998

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:51:14 -0600
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty confused for a while

My wife asked me yesterday,"Did the mountain men carry
compasses?".  I chuckled a little at the question and then told
her what I knew about the development and early use of the
compass,then told her some of the ways one is able to navigate
without a compass,but finally had to admit that I could'nt think
of a single reference to compasses in anything i have read about
mountain men or early western exploration.

Can anyone give me references to compasses or any tools
for navigation being used by mtn. men or early western explorers?

( I think I may have read something in the journals of Lewis & Clark,
but can't be certain.)

From the northwoods,

Tony Clark

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:10:21 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty confused for a while

northwoods wrote:

> Can anyone give me references to compasses or any tools
> for navigation being used by mtn. men or early western explorers?
>
> ( I think I may have read something in the journals of Lewis & Clark,
> but can't be certain.)

Tony,

YOur right when you remembered that L&C carried and used compasses. They
caried quit a few scientific instruments including barrometers and
thermometers along with sextants. As to whether any Mt. Men carried
compasses, I can't think of any references to such a practice but that is
not to say it wasn't done. It is probably safer to say that most if not
all of the early explorers like Bonneville and Pike, etc. also carried
compasses. In the east, it would be a safe guess that military
expeditions would have a compass along. It might not be something the
common man would carry though. IMHO, I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>
> >From the northwoods,
>
> Tony Clark

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 09:10:39 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty confused for a while

northwoods wrote:

> Can anyone give me references to compasses or any tools
> for navigation being used by mtn. men or early western explorers?
>
> ( I think I may have read something in the journals of Lewis & Clark,
> but can't be certain.)

Tony,

YOur right when you remembered that L&C carried and used compasses. They
carried quit a few scientific instruments including barometers and
thermometers along with sextants. As to whether any Mt. Men carried
compasses, I can't think of any references to such a practice but that is
not to say it wasn't done. It is probably safer to say that most if not
all of the early explorers like Bonneville and Pike, etc. also carried
compasses. In the east, it would be a safe guess that military
expeditions would have a compass along. It might not be something the
common man would carry though. IMHO, I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

>
>
> >From the northwoods,
>
> Tony Clark

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 10:12:54 -0700
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty confuse d for a while

Tony,

Check out Dean's web page search. It turned up no less than 23 references,
including one for 6 pocket compasses listed in the 1836 Rocky Mtn Outfit
merchandise list. Could be that this is one of those items that's not
generally mentioned.

Lou

> ----------
> From:     northwoods
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Monday, February 1, 1999 19:51
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     MtMan-List: mtn.men, they never got lost, just mighty
> confused for a while
>
> My wife asked me yesterday,"Did the mountain men carry
> compasses?".  I chuckled a little at the question and then told
> her what I knew about the development and early use of the
> compass,then told her some of the ways one is able to navigate
> without a compass,but finally had to admit that I could'nt think
> of a single reference to compasses in anything i have read about
> mountain men or early western exploration.
>
> Can anyone give me references to compasses or any tools
> for navigation being used by mtn. men or early western explorers?
>
> ( I think I may have read something in the journals of Lewis & Clark,
> but can't be certain.)
>
> From the northwoods,
>
> Tony Clark
>
>

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:37:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Philip Huvler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR

At 09:31 PM 1/31/99 -0600, you wrote:
>    I think maybe a lot of people must not even know if their jute is
>treated or not. Guess I just found out why this discussion group is so
>important!
>    As for char, try using 100% cotton cheese cloth.
>
>Dull Hawk
>
>----------
>> From: yellow rose/pendleton <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: MtMan-List: JUTE
>> Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:35 AM
>>
>> Roger,
>>   Thanks for the info on jute. I've been using the stuff for years, and
>did
>> not know it had been treated with a cleaning agent. All I knew was it
>would
>> burn like crazy. I will no longer use it. Yes I to have seen folks use
>> tinder that had to have been enhanced with something. There are lots of
>> ways to accomplish, but I won't get into  them here. [ no need in
>> encouraging such practices]  Even jute won't literally explode into
>flames
>> every single time. When I put on a fire starting contest, I always
>> specified using natural tinder such as cedar bark, grass, etc. When i can
>> get them dry enough, I like to provide pine needles for the contestants.
>I
>> think this gives all of us a better opportunity to learn to use what our
>> forefathers used which was whatever was at hand.
>>   A good tip on char, is to char the strings you pull off the fringe of a
>> new frock or the ones you pull off the edge of ticking patch material.
>They
>> work reall well and it goes back to not wasting anything. You will find
>it
>> catches a spark almost immediately and when you blow on it , it turns
>into
>> a solid glowing ember. Try it you'll like it.
>> Pendleton

hello list
>> I use old baling twine only problem with that is alot of it has rodent
control on it so may not be to safe to inhale . of course I've met a few mtn
man who must have been using it for awhile:)
>                                          philip
>

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 13:37:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Philip Huvler <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR

[e-mail]
>> Subject: MtMan-List: JUTE
>> Date: Saturday, January 31, 1998 2:35 AM
>>
>> Roger,
>>   Thanks for the info on jute. I've been using the stuff for years, and
>did
>> not know it had been treated with a cleaning agent. All I knew was it
>would
>> burn like crazy. I will no longer use it. Yes I to have seen folks use
>> tinder that had to have been enhanced with something. There are lots of
>> ways to accomplish, but I won't get into  them here. [ no need in
>> encouraging such practices]  Even jute won't literally explode into
>flames
>> every single time. When I put on a fire starting contest, I always
>> specified using natural tinder such as cedar bark, grass, etc. When i can
>> get them dry enough, I like to provide pine needles for the contestants.
>I
>> think this gives all of us a better opportunity to learn to use what our
>> forefathers used which was whatever was at hand.
>>   A good tip on char, is to char the strings you pull off the fringe of a
>> new frock or the ones you pull off the edge of ticking patch material.
>They
>> work reall well and it goes back to not wasting anything. You will find
>it
>> catches a spark almost immediately and when you blow on it , it turns
>into
>> a solid glowing ember. Try it you'll like it.
>> Pendleton
>>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 12:39:14 -0700
From: "Ron Chamberlain" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Wilderness Rifle Works

Hello the list!

I'm looking at a couple of rifles by Wilderness Rifle Works. The Cumberland
which is styled after a Kent or Tenn rifle and the Mountianeer which is a
Southern Mt style.

My question is which, if either, would be more period for a trapper in the
Ft Hall area around the mid 1830's? They make another rifle styled after a
Leman, but it is only available in perc. and I want a flinter.

Any other rifles available in the $ 500 range? Most seem to be 7-800.

YMOS
Ron
AKA Lonewolf


Lewis Fork Free Trappers
<http://www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/trappers.html>
emails [e-mail]
         [e-mail]
ICQ #26140332

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Date: Tue, 02 Feb 1999 15:34:56 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: JUTE/CHAR

Philip Huvler wrote:

> >>   A good tip on char, is to char the strings you pull off the fringe of a
> >> new frock or the ones you pull off the edge of ticking patch material.
> >They
> >> work reall well and it goes back to not wasting anything. You will find
> >it
> >> catches a spark almost immediately and when you blow on it , it turns
> >into
> >> a solid glowing ember. Try it you'll like it.
> >> Pendleton

Thanks Pendleton, I got some saved up and I'll give it a try. I remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

> >>
> >
> >

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Date: 02 Feb 99 18:36:00 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Wilderness Rifle Works

Buy the percx and then change the lock if it will save you money.

DON AND PHYLLIS KEAS ---LIving History Consultants

Ron Chamberlain wrote:
>Hello the list!
>
>I'm looking at a couple of rifles by Wilderness Rifle Works. The
Cumberland
>which is styled after a Kent or Tenn rifle and the Mountianeer which is
a
>Southern Mt style.
>
>My question is which, if either, would be more period for a trapper in
the
>Ft Hall area around the mid 1830's? They make another rifle styled after
a
>Leman, but it is only available in perc. and I want a flinter.
>
>Any other rifles available in the $ 500 range? Most seem to be 7-800.
>
>YMOS
>Ron
>AKA Lonewolf
>
>
>Lewis Fork Free Trappers
><http://www.ida.net/users/cstmzd/trappers.html>
>emails [e-mail]
>         [e-mail]
>ICQ #26140332
>
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 01:22:28 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Wilderness Rifle Works

Ron Chamberlain wrote:
>
> Hello the list!
>
> I'm looking at a couple of rifles by Wilderness Rifle Works. The Cumberland
> which is styled after a Kent or Tenn rifle and the Mountianeer which is a
> Southern Mt style.
>
> My question is which, if either, would be more period for a trapper in the
> Ft Hall area around the mid 1830's? They make another rifle styled after a
> Leman, but it is only available in perc. and I want a flinter.

No.....they also make the Leman copy as a flinter.  It has a different
model name...can't remember it off hand.  Thunder Ridge MZ carries all
of them.  The WRW Cumberland is a PA "poor boy," and would be correct
as would the So. Mtn. Rifle.  I have both of these, except that the
finish is mine.

> Any other rifles available in the $ 500 range? Most seem to be 7-800.

There AREN'T any other semi-custom hand-made rifles available in that
price range.

Fred

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!

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