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hist_text-digest Wednesday, January 13 1999 Volume 01 : Number 219
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:48:36 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mtn Man Speed Patterns
In my experience, the best attempt to capture the pure speech pattern of the
mountain man was in Lewis Garrards "Yah To Wah", written about an 1846
season with several original mountain men. The events of course take place
after the golden age of the fur trade, but before the Gold Rush changed
everything. It seems apparent by this time that the colorful survivors of
the fur trade gloried in their own slang, and I can't imagine how Garrard
managed to get it down so accurately, except he was a bright and observant
17 yr old who spent a year with people he was clearly fascinated by.
Although the book is not in front of me now, my recollection of the slang is
more along the lines of colorful expressions, wierd pronunciations, and set
nicknames for many things. I am easily bothered by the use of perjorative
words and hence have never been able to get into the "Wind" series, and I
don't recall any such sense from Garrard's quotes -- more like the fractured
pretentiousness of the "bowery boys" or the like. I recommend "Yah To Wah"
highly, as Garrard takes pleasure in discovering and reporting on
commonplace events which were old hat to the veterans.
Pat Quilter
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:24:46 EST
From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re speech patterns
I would imagine that mountain man linguistics were based on where they were
from,
their level of education, and general personality. Many of the early trappers
were french or spanish, so I doubt they were saying "larnin'" any more than
Kit Carson would say "Sacre Bleu!" By nature and pathology, human beans like
to label everything for identification - alas this also extends to people, who
can be compartmentalized on their use (or abuse) of language. Happily,most of
us can
diffentiate between what a person says and how he says it. Literature does
not have the benefit of interpretive facial expressions and body language, so
characters are painted more broadly, appealing to our need to label.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:19:04 +0100
From: Allen Chronister <almont@mt.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: speech
I believe that a lot of what we in the last few
decades of this century believe about how
"mountain men" talked was influenced by John
Baird, who had a regular column in his "Buckskin
Report" that was written in some kind of hillbilly
patois that was so convouleted that it was
virtually impossible to read or understand. Where
he got it I really don't know.
(He is also responsible for burdening us all with
the term "primative" to descirbe what we do. In
my book, primative means you kill it with a rock
and eat it raw. Anything else is not primative.)
In the journals of the time, those who remarked on
such things usually say that French and Native
tongues (alone or in combination) were the most
common thing to hear around the campfire.
Allen Chronister
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:52:49 -0600
From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly
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Just read a book that some of you might find interesting. It's entitled
"Mountain Man and Grizzly".
Next to the harsh environment and hostile indians the grizzly bear was=20
the mountain mans most formidable opponent, in my opinion. The
confrontations that occured between the two, as told in this book,
makes for some interesting reading.
Most of the book is taken directly from the journals and writings of =
early
explorers. It tells about observations made by such notable folks as
Bridger, Beckwourth, Clyman, Fitzpatrick, Lewis, Long, Smith,
Sublette, and literally dozens of others. It also Gives not only one,=20
but four accounts of the Hugh Glass incident. It tells how James =
O'Pattie
while traveling up the Arkansas River in 1826 counted over 200 grizzlys
in one day, and how George Nidever claimed to have killed 45 bears near
San Luis Obispo in one season!
The book:Mountain Man and Grizzly
Author: Fred R. Gowans
Published: Mountain Grizzly Publications Orem, Utah 1986
From the northwoods
Tony Clark
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Just read a book that some of you =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>"Mountain Man and=20
Grizzly".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Next to the harsh environment and =
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>the mountain mans most formidable =
opponent, in=20
my opinion. The</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>confrontations that occured between =
the two, as=20
told in this book,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>makes for some interesting =
reading.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Most of the book is taken directly =
from the=20
journals and writings of early</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>explorers. It tells about =
observations made by=20
such notable folks as</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Bridger, Beckwourth, Clyman, =
Fitzpatrick, Lewis,=20
Long, Smith,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Sublette, and literally dozens of =
others. It=20
also Gives not only one, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>but four accounts of the Hugh Glass =
incident. It=20
tells how James O'Pattie</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>while traveling up the Arkansas =
River in 1826=20
counted over 200 grizzlys</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>in one day, and how George Nidever =
claimed to=20
have killed 45 bears near</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>San Luis Obispo in one =
season!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The book:Mountain Man and =
Grizzly</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Author: Fred R. Gowans</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Published: Mountain Grizzly =
Publications Orem,=20
Utah 1986</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>From the northwoods</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Tony =
Clark</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 17:33:39 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws
Agreed Longshot,
I have seen this in several journals as you mention and what Webster's
(earliest editon of 1828 /available to me) his definition is not correct per
what is found in the Pennsylavnia Gazzett Aug 18, 1768 and again in Sept 24,
1771 referring to "poor whites and mixes of people work like working like a
nigger" on the docks at Phila.(not one group of people), as the Mountain man
made reference to himself in some cases.
Buck
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From: LODGEPOLE@aol.com <LODGEPOLE@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws
>It appears to me that we are just getting into one of those dicussions on
>Political Corectness. Which is what this really boils down to. What the
term
>means today and what it meant in our time frames of preference. Sorta like
the
>use of the word "Nigger" which was supposed to have been highly used by the
>Mountain Men in reference to themselves. Yet in todays climate we must be
>carefull about the use of the word. Heck, I'll probably catch flack just
for
>writing that on the list.
>
>
> Longshot
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:39:23 -0600
From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: RE: Mtn man speech patterns
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I would have to agree that " Wah to Yah and the Taos Trail" gives the=20
truest presentation of mountain man speech of any book that I have=20
ever read. The character " Hatcher" was a true mountain man if there=20
ever was one--WAUGH! At one point in the book while Garrard, Hatcher, =
and
another fella named Garmon are sitting around the campfire having an=20
infrequent but welcome drink Garmon remarks about Hatcher, " Why,
the old beaver says as how he was in hell once- eh, Hatch? Hatcher
replies, "Sartain! this old hos was n't any whar else- Wagh! an' I =
tellee, it's me kin=20
tell the yarn." And to hear him tell the story , all in his amusing=20
mtn. man speech, is worth the price of the book alone. One of the most=20
memorable passages of any book I have ever read.
From the northwoods
Tony Clark
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I would have to agree that " =
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the Taos Trail" gives the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>truest presentation of mountain man =
speech of=20
any book that I have </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>ever read. The character " =
Hatcher"=20
was a true mountain man if there </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>ever was one--WAUGH! At one =
point in the=20
book while Garrard, Hatcher, and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>another fella named Garmon are =
sitting around=20
the campfire having an </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>infrequent but welcome drink Garmon =
remarks=20
about Hatcher, " Why,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>the old beaver says as how he was in =
hell once-=20
eh, Hatch? Hatcher</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>replies, "Sartain! this old hos =
was n't any=20
whar else- Wagh! an' I tellee, it's me kin </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>tell the yarn." And to =
hear him tell=20
the story , all in his amusing </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>mtn. man speech, is worth the price =
of the book=20
alone. One of the most </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>memorable passages of any book I =
have ever=20
read.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>From the northwoods</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Tony =
Clark</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:39:33 EST
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re speech patterns
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:06:43 EST
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly
This book is out of print, I believe, but can be found in used book stores
both in paper and hardback. I recently bought the hardback copy to replace my
paper copy I gave to a friend for $8. Maybe Fred has some copies a U of Utah
he'd sell. Pat Surrena #1449
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Date: 13 Jan 99 18:11:22 -0700
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Texians
Whip a Texican, even five? You have to be out of your mind. Excersizing
there favorite sport has insured that there are LOTS of them. When you
take on one or even five, they start coming out of the woodwork like you
wouldn't believe. Not to mention that when I first met Lanney I thought he
was big. Until he told me he was the runt of the bunch.
Don Keas
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:59:45 EST
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re speech patterns
I have in my library a copy of a document called "The Mountain Man Vernacular,
Its historical roots, Its linguistic nature, and Its literary Uses" by Richard
C. Poulsen; American University Studies, Series IV, English Language and
Literature, vol. 22, publiched by Peter Lang Publishing, New York, 1985.
It's the only work I've seen on the subject. Here's a bit from the
introduction:
"The language of the trappers was a strange medley of English, French, and
Spanish and as distinct from from grammatical and literary propriety as it is
possible to conveive. As in all situations where men are long associated in
the same business and in a measure exluded from contact with the world around
them, a peculiar jargon grew up amont the trapping fraternity, vigorous, and
picturesque,if not choice, in its details, but now entirely extinct. Only in
a few old narrattives of the time does it still survive with any degree of
fidelity.
" The best of these old narratives, Chittenden added in a note, is Ruxton's
"lLife in the Far West. Later experts have concurred. For example, Bernard
DeVoto said that Ruxton and his mountain man Kllbuck "are fatithfully
repeating true talk already old. A.B. Guthrie noted the Ruxton and Lewis H.
Garrard preserved for today the afftected, effective, peculiar speech of the
fur hunter.". . .
". . .Most, if not all versions of lmaoutain language, base their ground of
authenticity on Ruxton's Live in the Far West (or Garrard, with distinct
possiblity that Garrard got his mountain talk, at least in part, from Ruxton's
book. . .
The total work is about 325 pages. If someone has specific questions I'd be
glad to look and see what the author has to say. I think it's a fairly
difficult book to find but I believe I got it through interlibrary loan.
Here's what the Chapters look like:
Ch 1. Historical Evidence of Trapper Speech Before 1849
Ch 2. Linquistics and Stylisitcs of Mountain Speech
Ch3. Literary Uses of the Mountain Man Vernacular before 1849
Ch4. G. F. Ruxton and the Speech of the Mountains
Ch 5 Literary uses of the speech of the mountains: The Early Period After
ruxton
Ch.6. Literary uses of the speech of the mountains: The modern period
Appendix A Mountain Terms
Appendix B The Oral Narrative Style
Endnotes
Biblio
Pat Surrena AMM #1449
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:35:24 -0500 (EST)
From: ikon@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians
My first night in Cali. I was sitting at a bar in El Toro when this Texan
came up to me and asked me where I was from. When I said NJ he mentioned to
the whole bar how he had not killed a guy from NJ in a long time. While he
was shootin his mouth off I broke his nose. SOB got blood all over me, they
sure do bleed alot. So much for Texans.
Frank
At 06:11 PM 1/13/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Whip a Texican, even five? You have to be out of your mind. Excersizing
>there favorite sport has insured that there are LOTS of them. When you
>take on one or even five, they start coming out of the woodwork like you
>wouldn't believe. Not to mention that when I first met Lanney I thought he
>was big. Until he told me he was the runt of the bunch.
>Don Keas
>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:48:12 -0600
From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: RE: speech patterns
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The Mountain Man Vernacular: It's Historical roots, It's linguistic =
Nature, and it's
Literary Uses (Amer. Univ. Studies 4 English and Literature , Vol. 22)
By: Richard C Paulsen 1985
available at Amazon.com =20
Price: $36 limited availability
Ruxtons' "life in the Far West" certainly is required reading. I also =
recomend
"Travels in the Rocky Mountains and Mexico" also by Ruxton. I believe =
the
copy I have was published in 1848. I don't know if it was reprinted.
From the northwoods' =20
Tony Clark
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Literary Uses (Amer. Univ. Studies 4 =
English and=20
Literature , Vol. 22)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>By: Richard C Paulsen =
1985</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>available at Amazon.com =
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Ruxtons' "life in the Far West" certainly =
is=20
required reading. I also recomend</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>"Travels in the Rocky Mountains and=20
Mexico" also by Ruxton. I believe the</FONT></DIV>
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it was=20
reprinted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:53:03 -0600
From: "Beau Stiles" <bstiles@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly
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You are correct in your assessment of the book Mountain Man and Grizzly. =
It is a fantastic account of the men and the bears, and gives a great =
deal of insight as to how we have ruined the Great Plains.
Beau Stiles
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From: northwoods <northwoods@ez-net.com>
To: Mountain man list <hist_text@xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 5:53 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly
=20
=20
Just read a book that some of you might find interesting. It's =
entitled
"Mountain Man and Grizzly".
=20
Next to the harsh environment and hostile indians the grizzly bear =
was=20
the mountain mans most formidable opponent, in my opinion. The
confrontations that occured between the two, as told in this book,
makes for some interesting reading.
=20
Most of the book is taken directly from the journals and writings of =
early
explorers. It tells about observations made by such notable folks as
Bridger, Beckwourth, Clyman, Fitzpatrick, Lewis, Long, Smith,
Sublette, and literally dozens of others. It also Gives not only =
one,=20
but four accounts of the Hugh Glass incident. It tells how James =
O'Pattie
while traveling up the Arkansas River in 1826 counted over 200 =
grizzlys
in one day, and how George Nidever claimed to have killed 45 bears =
near
San Luis Obispo in one season!
=20
The book:Mountain Man and Grizzly
=20
Author: Fred R. Gowans
=20
Published: Mountain Grizzly Publications Orem, Utah 1986
=20
From the northwoods
=20
Tony Clark
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Man and Grizzly. It is a fantastic account of the men and the bears, and =
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Plains.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>-----Original =
Message-----</B><BR><B>From:=20
</B>northwoods <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:northwoods@ez-net.com">northwoods@ez-net.com</A>><BR><B=
>To:=20
</B>Mountain man list <<A=20
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</B>MtMan-List:=20
Mountain Man and Grizzly<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Just read a book that some of =
you might find=20
interesting. It's entitled</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>"Mountain Man and=20
Grizzly".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Next to the harsh environment =
and hostile=20
indians the grizzly bear was </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>the mountain mans most =
formidable opponent,=20
in my opinion. The</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>confrontations that occured =
between the two,=20
as told in this book,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>makes for some interesting=20
reading.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Most of the book is taken =
directly from the=20
journals and writings of early</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>explorers. It tells about =
observations made=20
by such notable folks as</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Bridger, Beckwourth, Clyman, =
Fitzpatrick,=20
Lewis, Long, Smith,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Sublette, and literally dozens =
of others. It=20
also Gives not only one, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>but four accounts of the Hugh =
Glass=20
incident. It tells how James O'Pattie</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>while traveling up the Arkansas =
River in=20
1826 counted over 200 grizzlys</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>in one day, and how George =
Nidever claimed=20
to have killed 45 bears near</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>San Luis Obispo in one =
season!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The book:Mountain Man and=20
Grizzly</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Author: Fred R. =
Gowans</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Published: Mountain Grizzly =
Publications=20
Orem, Utah 1986</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>From the northwoods</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Tony=20
Clark</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:03:43 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians
You done good....busting the chops of an obnoxious loudmouth who was =
making threats. We bust 'em, too, for the same reason. However, having =
a Texian on your side is rarely a bad thing.
Lanney Ratcliff
slightly obnoxious, certainly loudmouth, non-threatening Texian
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From: ikon@mindspring.com <ikon@mindspring.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians
>My first night in Cali. I was sitting at a bar in El Toro when this =
Texan
>came up to me and asked me where I was from. When I said NJ he =
mentioned to
>the whole bar how he had not killed a guy from NJ in a long time. =
While he
>was shootin his mouth off I broke his nose. SOB got blood all over me, =
they
>sure do bleed alot. So much for Texans.
>
>Frank
>
>
>At 06:11 PM 1/13/99 -0700, you wrote:
>>Whip a Texican, even five? You have to be out of your mind. =
Excersizing
>>there favorite sport has insured that there are LOTS of them. When =
you
>>take on one or even five, they start coming out of the woodwork like =
you
>>wouldn't believe. Not to mention that when I first met Lanney I =
thought he
>>was big. Until he told me he was the runt of the bunch.
>>Don Keas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:39:13 -0700
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly
How have WE ruined the Plains?
Joe
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:43:28 -0700
From: jbrandl@wyoming.com (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: speech
Alan,
Primitive? When neccesary, I just turn over the rock and eat what is underneath!
Joe
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:55:18 -0800
From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trading Cheap Shots and Low Blows
Thanks Todd, you said that far better than if I had said what I was thinking!
(which is why I didn't say it!)
Medicine Bear
TetonTod@aol.com wrote:
> Here's a tongue in cheek suggestion, maybe you guys can use the above subject
> for tradin shots with each other. Then the rest of us will know better which
> ones to delete.
>
> Todd Glover
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:03:16 EST
From: GHickman@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: RE: speech patterns
Those of you looking for Garrard's book: "Yah to Wah..." It is published by
Dover Books and is available on-line from Amazon Books. It's on sale,
paperback, for $10.95.
<A HREF="http://www.doverbooks.com/">Dover Books - Discount Art, Science,
Classics and Childrens Books from Dover Publications, Inc.</A>
Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:21:32 -0800
From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man Speed Patterns
Pat,
Is the book titled "Wah-To-Yah and the Taos Trail " the same book or a sequel?
Medicine Bear
Pat Quilter wrote:
> In my experience, the best attempt to capture the pure speech pattern of the
> mountain man was in Lewis Garrards "Yah To Wah", written about an 1846
> season with several original mountain men.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:31:33 EST
From: tedhart@juno.com (Ted A Hart)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians
I'm a runt..at 150 lbs :) But I sure can run fast when needed like when
a griz is after me....now I think anyone who's being chased by a griz
would run fast anyhow :)
Ted
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 20:46:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <lnewbill@uidaho.edu>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Texians
On Wed, 13 Jan 1999, Ted A Hart wrote:
> I'm a runt..at 150 lbs :) But I sure can run fast when needed like when
> a griz is after me....now I think anyone who's being chased by a griz
> would run fast anyhow :)
Ted, Ted, Ted
Everyone in Grizz country knows you don't have to be faster than the
Grizz.... you just have to be faster than your partner <G>
That's why I hunt with the elderly!
Tounge in cheek
Lee Newbill
Viola, Idaho
email at lnewbill@uidaho.edu
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:02:17 -0600
From: "Beau Stiles" <bstiles@1starnet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly
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Hmm, let's see....destroyed the people, the culture, the wildlife, and =
much of the history (especially regarding native american religious =
rights and such). It is a depressing scenario when one looks back at how =
the plains were versus how they are today. While certainly, there are =
aspects of the plains today that are no doubt wonderful,they will never =
be as they once were.
Beau Stiles (just my personal feeling, not intended to offend anyone)
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From: Joe Brandl <jbrandl@wyoming.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mountain Man and Grizzly
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Joe
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