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hist_text-digest      Wednesday, January 13 1999      Volume 01 : Number 218




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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:56:55 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder

As a sixth generation Texican I can fade the heat from a village smithy =
and an international sugar trader.
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder


>Paul & Dennis,
>
>When I moved to Colorado in 1964, everyone was complaining about "them =
damn
>eastern low life jurk's moving in", didn't set well being from PA.
>
>After about thirty years as a resident of Colorado and the Calf. and =
Texas
>boys were moving in (large numbers) the terms have changed, its now: "I
>rather have a sister workin' in a whore house than a neighbor from =
Calif. or
>Texas".
>
>So I can see how Old Dennis can stir the nest with the Texas boys.  =
Good
>luck guys its all in fun, be cool Lanney.
>
>Buck
>___________________________________
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Jones <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:44 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>
>
>>Dennis, Dennis, Dennis.  I am glad to have you as a friend as you are
>>constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to how
>>Yankees turn out.  One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>>
>>
>>>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans!
>>>><BG>
>>>
>>>
>>>Capt.
>>>,
>>> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the =
cup a
>>>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor Sainted
>>>Grandma...Don't rightly remember...<BG>
>>>
>>>Dennis
>>>
>>>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:57:23 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder

Very good Lanney, I like your response and as Dennis would probably say your
size says something too. What was the story about the shoe box ????

Buck
__________________
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder


As a sixth generation Texican I can fade the heat from a village smithy and
an international sugar trader.
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder


>Paul & Dennis,
>
>When I moved to Colorado in 1964, everyone was complaining about "them damn
>eastern low life jurk's moving in", didn't set well being from PA.
>
>After about thirty years as a resident of Colorado and the Calf. and Texas
>boys were moving in (large numbers) the terms have changed, its now: "I
>rather have a sister workin' in a whore house than a neighbor from Calif.
or
>Texas".
>
>So I can see how Old Dennis can stir the nest with the Texas boys.  Good
>luck guys its all in fun, be cool Lanney.
>
>Buck
>___________________________________
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Jones <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:44 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>
>
>>Dennis, Dennis, Dennis.  I am glad to have you as a friend as you are
>>constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to how
>>Yankees turn out.  One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>>
>>
>>>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans!
>>>><BG>
>>>
>>>
>>>Capt.
>>>,
>>> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the cup a
>>>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor Sainted
>>>Grandma...Don't rightly remember...<BG>
>>>
>>>Dennis
>>>
>>>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:40:32 +0000
From: [e-mail] (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns

Don, could be a good price?  Who made it?  Is it .54 or .58 caliber, in
other words is it an accurate model?  The originals were .54 caliber.
Hardtack

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:06:46 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns

I read years ago the originals were .52 cal. and early reproductions were
.54 or .58 !

Buck
- -----Original Message-----
From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns


>Don, could be a good price?  Who made it?  Is it .54 or .58 caliber, in
>other words is it an accurate model?  The originals were .54 caliber.
>Hardtack
>
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>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:00:34 -0600
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder

Yep ! That would be us. We're all three about as delicate as a anvil.
Pardon us folks for  this rambling but really we are just funnin. Dennis
you must allow for the rotation of the earth. What were you thinking?
Pendleton

- ----------
> From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:36 PM
>
> Capt'n,
>
>  I wasn't in my cups, the Earth had one of those "gravity fluxes" and I
just
> lost my balance...
> Pendleton, my dear friend, Lanney and I discussed that in Mo. last
> year...Decided we would just join forces and whup up on someone smaller
> (approx 98% of the world population) as we was afeard  of mebby bruisin
one
> another....We are delicate floweres, y' know...
>
> D
>
>    "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>   Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>     http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>
>
> >Yeah I was talking about the same Dennis. Now being of semi-sound mind,
I
> >got no hankerin to wad-up with Dennis but if'n him and Lanney was to go
to
> >it, I'd pay to watch.
> >Pendleton
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:50:52 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder

I'm at a loss....what shoe box?
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder


>Very good Lanney, I like your response and as Dennis would probably say =
your
>size says something too. What was the story about the shoe box ????
>
>Buck
>__________________
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:52 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>
>
>As a sixth generation Texican I can fade the heat from a village smithy =
and
>an international sugar trader.
>Lanney
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>
>
>>Paul & Dennis,
>>
>>When I moved to Colorado in 1964, everyone was complaining about "them =
damn
>>eastern low life jurk's moving in", didn't set well being from PA.
>>
>>After about thirty years as a resident of Colorado and the Calf. and =
Texas
>>boys were moving in (large numbers) the terms have changed, its now: =
"I
>>rather have a sister workin' in a whore house than a neighbor from =
Calif.
>or
>>Texas".
>>
>>So I can see how Old Dennis can stir the nest with the Texas boys.  =
Good
>>luck guys its all in fun, be cool Lanney.
>>
>>Buck
>>___________________________________
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Jones <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>>
>>
>>>Dennis, Dennis, Dennis.  I am glad to have you as a friend as you are
>>>constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to =
how
>>>Yankees turn out.  One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM
>>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>>>
>>>
>>>>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans!
>>>>><BG>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Capt.
>>>>,
>>>> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the =
cup a
>>>>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor =
Sainted
>>>>Grandma...Don't rightly remember...<BG>
>>>>
>>>>Dennis
>>>>
>>>>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>>>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>>>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>>>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:44:54 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder

Damn Pendleton...
 T' wrent my fault I lost my balance...Lanny was forcin' me to drink that
Meskin Likker...Messed up my gravitational timin'...  You know, you Texicans
are right, after a half gallon or so, it makes one rather melow....<G>
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1


>Yep ! That would be us. We're all three about as delicate as a anvil.
>Pardon us folks for  this rambling but really we are just funnin. Dennis
>you must allow for the rotation of the earth. What were you thinking?
>Pendleton
>
>----------
>> From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:36 PM
>>
>> Capt'n,
>>
>>  I wasn't in my cups, the Earth had one of those "gravity fluxes" and I
>just
>> lost my balance...
>> Pendleton, my dear friend, Lanney and I discussed that in Mo. last
>> year...Decided we would just join forces and whup up on someone smaller
>> (approx 98% of the world population) as we was afeard  of mebby bruisin
>one
>> another....We are delicate floweres, y' know...
>>
>> D
>>
>>    "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>           DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>   Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>     http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>
>>
>> >Yeah I was talking about the same Dennis. Now being of semi-sound mind,
>I
>> >got no hankerin to wad-up with Dennis but if'n him and Lanney was to go
>to
>> >it, I'd pay to watch.
>> >Pendleton
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:55:32 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: guns

if you are not interested please send me info offline i might be
interested depending on what it really is and all---undoubtedly you mean
a harpers ferry 1827--your spelling is almost as bad as mine---(only
funning you)  let me know whats happening or give me a call and i will
give you what information i have available in reference to value and
such---not a bad buy if the condition is average or above---is it a rifle
or a short musket---has it been cut down or is it full length---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]     E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:08:19 -0600 Don Neighbors <[e-mail]>
writes:
>I was offered a 1827 Hoppers Farrey Flintlock rifle in good condition
>for  $450.00 is this a goog buy?
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:14:43 -0800
From: "Sidney Porter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder

They're sure givin' us Texans a hard time.
Sidney


- -----Original Message-----
From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder


I'm at a loss....what shoe box?
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder


>Very good Lanney, I like your response and as Dennis would probably say
your
>size says something too. What was the story about the shoe box ????
>
>Buck
>__________________
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:52 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>
>
>As a sixth generation Texican I can fade the heat from a village smithy and
>an international sugar trader.
>Lanney
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry Conner <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 8:45 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>
>
>>Paul & Dennis,
>>
>>When I moved to Colorado in 1964, everyone was complaining about "them
damn
>>eastern low life jurk's moving in", didn't set well being from PA.
>>
>>After about thirty years as a resident of Colorado and the Calf. and Texas
>>boys were moving in (large numbers) the terms have changed, its now: "I
>>rather have a sister workin' in a whore house than a neighbor from Calif.
>or
>>Texas".
>>
>>So I can see how Old Dennis can stir the nest with the Texas boys.  Good
>>luck guys its all in fun, be cool Lanney.
>>
>>Buck
>>___________________________________
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Jones <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:44 PM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>>
>>
>>>Dennis, Dennis, Dennis.  I am glad to have you as a friend as you are
>>>constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to how
>>>Yankees turn out.  One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>>Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM
>>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>>>
>>>
>>>>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans!
>>>>><BG>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Capt.
>>>>,
>>>> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the cup
a
>>>>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor Sainted
>>>>Grandma...Don't rightly remember...<BG>
>>>>
>>>>Dennis
>>>>
>>>>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>>>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>>>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>>>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 21:56:12 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail] (JEAN LINDSEY)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: trapping beaver in open water

What little I know in thrity words or less!!
Well it has been a number of years that these old bones have seen the
cold water in hunt of the O' beaver. But I do rember that when we were
trapping for muskrats in our slews the water would rise and fall feet
during the nite with the tides we have here. So we learned from others
to use floats to trap the changing waters. A float is a raft to hold
the trap. And this float has  to be strong enough to hold the weight of
the animal your trapping, long enough to get his foot in the trap. Now
since we are trying to trap a beaver, you would make this float so that
the beaver could only climb onto it from one point. Of course this float
can have any form of camoflause that you can think of. To make the set,
it would be the same as setting a land set, so keep in mind that you are
trying to get the front foot. What we used to drown them with, is that
under the float was the weight, this was triped when the beaver slipped
off the float, with the trap on his leg. And here in our country we had
shallow water, so it was important for us to get the front leg, so the
beaver would drown fast. With a whole lake, this is probably not a
problem. I spose someone has told you about bustin a hole in the damb
and setting a trap there, and getting him when he comes to repair it.
Sometimes we have had to set our drown bags 20' away from the trap to
find deep enough water. I don't know what type of drowner you're using
on the wire, maybe you can reply off list, and we can talk more. Oh yes,
there are some good books that talk about trapping on ice, but out here
in Western Washington we don't usually get thick enough ice around here
to worry about that.
Hope this helps
Crazy

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:14:31 -0700
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping beaver in open water

NM,

Check out Jim Clyman's book, Journal of a Mountain Man.  On page 7 it
describes a formula for "beaver medicine".  I've used this and it works good.

Here's luck to ya in trappin'

Allen Hall in Fort Hall country


At 03:23 AM 1/11/99 EST, you wrote:
>Another question on this subject:
>
>What's the recipe for "castorium" -- hope I spelled that right -- anyhow --
>recipe for "beaver bait".
>
>NM
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 01:47:20 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws

The "Dictionary of Americanisms," publlished in 1859 defines "squaw" simply as
an Indian women.  It does say the word is derived from the Abenaki.  This is a
definition written pretty close to the time period.

Winfred Blevins' "Dictionary of the American West," published in 1993, goes
further.  Blevins says the word started life as an Algonquin term meaning
"wife," then became part of the normal lingo developed by Eastern Indians for
purposes of trading and was carried west by frontiersmen.  Blevins gives his
source as linguist J.L. Dillard in "All-American English."  According to
Blevins, the Plains Indians saw it as a white man's word and found it
objectionable.

Jim Hardee, AMM#1676
P.O. Box 1228
Quincy, CA  95971
[phone] (H)
[phone] (W)
[phone] FAX
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 23:03:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws

On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 [e-mail] wrote:
> According to
> Blevins, the Plains Indians saw it as a white man's word and found it
> objectionable.

The modern day Nez Perce and Couer D'Alene's (our local tribes), also find
it objectionable, as I suspect most American Indians would.

Regards

Lee Newbill
Viola, Idaho
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:30:52 +1300
From: "Duncan Macready" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws

Buck wrote
>
>Again very interesting, the same as the term "nigger", as a bad name called
>of the black race, with a little research you'll find these terms are later
>than you would think.
>
>For example: the term for one that works long hours, in hard conditions,
for
>little to no pay and has no chance of making a better like was referred to
>as "working like a nigger" (color had nothing to do with it in pre-colonial
>dock locations), whether in Ireland, England, France or the New World, this
>was the term used by many countries, when referring to the poor laborer in
>controlled conditions. The Irish during the "Potato Wars" were referred to
>as, poor as niggers (poor as those working in the worst of conditions like
>coal miners, also referred to by this name).

Boy are you wrong, "Nigger" is derived fron the Latin word for the color
black "Nigrum" which wasn't the Latin word for a black man , which was
"Aethiops",( as in Ethiopia)
it   is derogatory always was always will be.
YMOS
Cutfinger

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:37:03 +1300
From: "Duncan Macready" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re  was Squaws now speech

I have read "Carry The Wind" and the other books by Terry .C Johnston ,and I
wonder where he ,and other authors ,get their speech style from, It
certainly doesn't show up in the journals by Russell and others.
I have never been to a Rendesvous in the USA , Do you guys also use period
correct speech? as well as guns n gear .
Just curious
YMOS
Cutfinger

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:39:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re  was Squaws now speech

> I have read "Carry The Wind" and the other books by Terry .C Johnston ,and I
> wonder where he ,and other authors ,get their speech style from, It
> certainly doesn't show up in the journals by Russell and others.
> I have never been to a Rendesvous in the USA , Do you guys also use period
> correct speech? as well as guns n gear .

Hallo Duncan

I can only speak for myself and my group.

We try and use period "terms" during educational presentations, such as to
schools or living history displays at historic sites/events.  These are
sometimes done in "first person", where you assume the identity of, say,
a Northwest Company clerk of 1810.  Some folks will affect accents of the
character, but I would have a tough time as too many yall's slip in from
my deep south upbringing.

For me and mine, Rendezvous are for relaxing and blowing off steam, and
that is our primary goal <G>.

Also.... many of the journals were written by educated men, the upper
crust if you will, I suspect your novels reflect the "salt of the earth
folks", people with little or no "larnin".

Regards

Lee Newbill
Viola, Idaho
email at [e-mail]
Keeper of the "Buckskins & Blackpowder!" Webpage
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7186

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 06:43:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws

Words can be used by anyone.  I have heard people in "high places" refer to
Black Americans as niggers.  Just because a person has a station in mainstream
society does not make his behavior or vocabulary necessarily dignified and
respectful.   The same goes for sqauw.    I grew up near the Chippewa
Reservation in Michigan.  In that part of the country squaw is not something
you call women i.e. it is not a term of respect or endearment.  My personna is
that of a Lakota WOMAN NOT A SQUAW!!

Red Hawk
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:15:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaw

I think that we all realize by now that there are any number of meanings
hidden or otherwise to the term squaw. Even though in my part Native American
mind it is not a derogatory term, just knowing it is offensive to someone I
would not use it.

Ghosting Wolf

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:29:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Trading Cheap Shots and Low Blows

Here's a tongue in cheek suggestion, maybe you guys can use the above subject
for tradin shots with each other. Then the rest of us will know better which
ones to delete.

Todd Glover

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:33:06 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws

It appears to me that we are just getting into one of those dicussions on
Political Corectness.  Which is what this really boils down to.  What the term
means today and what it meant in our time frames of preference. Sorta like the
use of the word "Nigger" which was supposed to have been highly used by the
Mountain Men in reference to themselves. Yet in todays climate we must be
carefull about the use of the word. Heck, I'll probably catch flack just for
writing that on the list.


                                                            Longshot

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:45:53 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws

In a message dated 1/12/99 7:49:09 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< Pat, Thanks for that perspective. How about some input from the members of
 this list that are of NATIVE descent? >>

Interesting you should say that.  My wife is of Cherokee decent and when first
choosing a "Screen Name" when we first got on-line, and having a sense of
humor about herself, she chose the screen name "Chersquaw"  You would not
believe the flack she took in the form of nasty e-mail on almost a daily
basis.  Curious thing about it though was the flack almost 98% of the time
came from politically correct "White Folk" and a majority that 10% from those
who claimed to be "Indian" didn't claim to be of Cherokee, Lakota, Crow etc.
they just claimed "I'm Indian".  The Native Americans that she does know had a
"Screw them" attitude about all of that and didn't seem to take much in the
way of any offense. There were of course exceptions to that and there were
some Native Americans that we know who were offended. My wife to this day
doesn't understand why it is Ok for African Americans to refer to themselves
or other African Americans as "Nigger" but not all right for her to refer to
herself as Squaw. I tell her that it is one of those Political Correctness
Mysteries that may never be understood.

                                                   Longshot

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:45:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Sam Keller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re  was Squaws now speech

Stop & think a minute, does your written discourse include all the
slang that you add to your Spoken one. Most people say "TH" for "THE",
but spell THE. I use a few slang words when I speak that I would have
no idea how to spell, so would never write it down.






- ---Duncan Macready <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I have read "Carry The Wind" and the other books by Terry .C
Johnston ,and I
> wonder where he ,and other authors ,get their speech style from, It
> certainly doesn't show up in the journals by Russell and others.
> I have never been to a Rendesvous in the USA , Do you guys also use
period
> correct speech? as well as guns n gear .
> Just curious
> YMOS
> Cutfinger
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:37:41 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Bob Spencer)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re  was Squaws now speech

>> I have read "Carry The Wind" and the other books by Terry .C Johnston ,and I
>> wonder where he ,and other authors ,get their speech style from, It
>> certainly doesn't show up in the journals by Russell and others.

>Also.... many of the journals were written by educated men, the upper
>crust if you will, I suspect your novels reflect the "salt of the earth
>folks", people with little or no "larnin".

The idea that the mountain men spoke that way is certainly widespread,
today. I'm like Cutfinger, I have never seen it in any of the several
journals from that period which I have read, and have always figured it was
the product of modern movies, TV and fiction. Is there any documentation at
all that it reflects the actual useage?

Bob

Bob Spencer <[e-mail]>
non illegitimi carborundum est

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