Ain't life grand when things like this happen. ;-)
J.D.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:37:08 EST
From: Rkleinx2@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws
In a message dated 1/12/99 12:56:56 PM, RR1LA@aol.com writes:
<<was taught by her elders that a 'squaw' was essentially a prostitute,
whether
on the res or brought into rendezvous or traded among the men of the tribe(s).
She was taught that the term is NOT NECESSARILY, derrogatory, as it may be
truthful i.e. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck, its a duck. Remember that many of these women (squaws) were proud of
their profession and served their employers (pimps?) well. The point is,
watch who you are using the term towards; as its basically the same as calling
a woman today a 'ho'. >>
Here we go again. My dictionary defines 'squaw' as.... "An American Indian
woman; among Indians, any woman; a female." When I use the term thats what I
mean and nothing else. I've read many pioneer emigrant diaries/journals and
books written by decent people who used the word 'Squaw' . So I don't
hesitate to use the term.
( The word is of Algonquian origin).
Dick
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:45:20 -0600
From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@onr.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
Dennis, Dennis, Dennis. I am glad to have you as a friend as you are
constant proof our good Lord has a sense of humor when it comes to how
Yankees turn out. One of the whupped Texicans-Pablo
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From: Dennis Miles <deforge1@wesnet.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans!
>><BG>
>
>
>Capt.
>,
> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the cup a
>coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor Sainted
>Grandma...Don't rightly remember...<BG>
>
>Dennis
>
> "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
> DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
> Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
> http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:02:02 -0800
From: "Gail Carbiener" <carbg@cmc.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws
Hey Dick:
Did you ever think that you and I and your dictionary are to god damn
old. If you use that word around my area you had better duck! :)
Gail
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From: Rkleinx2@aol.com <Rkleinx2@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws
>
>In a message dated 1/12/99 12:56:56 PM, RR1LA@aol.com writes:
>
><<was taught by her elders that a 'squaw' was essentially a prostitute,
>whether
>on the res or brought into rendezvous or traded among the men of the
tribe(s).
>She was taught that the term is NOT NECESSARILY, derrogatory, as it may be
>truthful i.e. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a
>duck, its a duck. Remember that many of these women (squaws) were proud
of
>their profession and served their employers (pimps?) well. The point is,
>watch who you are using the term towards; as its basically the same as
calling
>a woman today a 'ho'. >>
>
>Here we go again. My dictionary defines 'squaw' as.... "An American Indian
>woman; among Indians, any woman; a female." When I use the term thats what
I
>mean and nothing else. I've read many pioneer emigrant diaries/journals
and
>books written by decent people who used the word 'Squaw' . So I don't
>hesitate to use the term.
>( The word is of Algonquian origin).
> Dick
>
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:16:23 -0800
From: "john c. funk,jr" <j2hearts@shasta.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws
- -----Original Message-----
From: Rkleinx2@aol.com <Rkleinx2@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws
>
>In a message dated 1/12/99 12:56:56 PM, RR1LA@aol.com writes:
>
><<was taught by her elders that a 'squaw' was essentially a prostitute,
>whether
>on the res or brought into rendezvous or traded among the men of the
tribe(s).
>She was taught that the term is NOT NECESSARILY, derrogatory, as it may be
>truthful i.e. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a
>duck, its a duck. Remember that many of these women (squaws) were proud
of
>their profession and served their employers (pimps?) well. The point is,
>watch who you are using the term towards; as its basically the same as
calling
>a woman today a 'ho'. >>
>
>Here we go again. My dictionary defines 'squaw' as.... "An American Indian
>woman; among Indians, any woman; a female." When I use the term thats what
I
>mean and nothing else. I've read many pioneer emigrant diaries/journals
and
>books written by decent people who used the word 'Squaw' . So I don't
>hesitate to use the term.
>( The word is of Algonquian origin).
> Dick
>
>
>
Whether or not the term "squaw" was of Native American origin or not, it is
still very offensive to some Native Americans is this day and age.
John Funk
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:15:37 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Squaws
This is evidently an area for personal preference, but just as "nigger" was
a readily used term (as in Mark Twain), describing a matter-of-fact social
situation and station of life, so was "squaw" (as far as I can tell), along
with "Greaser", "Buck" and so forth. The fact that people freely made these
distinctions 150 years ago, along with keeping slaves and shooting Indians
on sight, doesn't make them acceptable today. If one's listeners are of the
type who understand when a historical term is used without rancor, fine, but
be prepared for a fight if we use these terms around racial groups who have
achieved a higher standing in modern society.
Just my Opinion.
Pat Quilter.
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From: RR1LA@aol.com [mailto:RR1LA@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 12:53 PM
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Squaws
After reading this thread, I talked to a friend ( a Cherokee woman), and she
was taught by her elders that a 'squaw' was essentially a prostitute,
whether
on the res or brought into rendezvous or traded among the men of the
tribe(s).
She was taught that the term is NOT NECESSARILY, derrogatory, as it may be
truthful i.e. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck, its a duck. Remember that many of these women (squaws) were proud of
their profession and served their employers (pimps?) well. The point is,
watch who you are using the term towards; as its basically the same as
calling
a woman today a 'ho'. 'Barney Fife'
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:25:54 -0600
From: Bishnow <bishnows@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boiling wild water
Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
>
>
> Water not otherwise contaminated that has been filtered through a clean 1 micron filter is free of virtually all bugs and since boiling will indeed kill living organisms, my opinion is that wild water can be made perfectly safe to drink with minimal effort.
> Lanney Ratcliff
Lanney,
As you know I am in the food industry(Turkey). and the U.S.D.A.
will tell you that 160 degrees fahrenhiet for 1 minute will kill
any organism that may inhabit food.
Snakeshot
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:25:20 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
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Dennis Miles wrote:
> Capt.
> ,
> Did I say FIVE Texicans??? Well, that must be takin in account the cup a
> coffee in my left hand...Or mebby I was talkin' about my poor Sainted
> Grandma...Don't rightly remember...<BG>
Dennis,
I sure thought you said FIVE but it was probably more. I do remember you
saying you could do it with a cup of tea in one hand and a silk scarf in the
other or was it your Sainted Granny you said could do it. Who knows for sure,
you allus was taken to understatements. And as I remember you were in your
cups so it was hard to understand what you were saying. Lay'in on your face
like you was. <BG>I remain.......
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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