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hist_text-digest Monday, January 11 1999 Volume 01 : Number 216
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 17:07:02 -0800
From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Grommets
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Tom You can take them out then sew around the hole and it will make a cloth
grommets. Later Jon T
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: From: Tom Roberts <troberts@gdi.net>
: To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
: Subject: MtMan-List: Grommets
: Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 6:13 PM
:
: Just bought a small hunter's tent and was surprised to find grommets on
: the fly. I suspect they are inappropriate for pre-1840 and was
: wondering if someone knowledgeable could comment.
:
: Thanks!
:
: Tom
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:33:29 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Grommets
For what it is worth, these are the references to grommets in Noah =
Webster's 1828 dictionary. I am finding this CD to be remarkably handy. =
I will be glad to look up other words, etc and forward the definition =
exactly as it is shown.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff
GROM'MET, n. Among seamen, a ring formed of a strand of rope laid in =
three times round; used to fasten the upper edge of a sail to its stay.
HANK, n.
1. A skein of thread; as much thread as is tied together; a tie.
2. In ships. a wooden ring fixed to a stay, to confine the stay-sails; =
used in the place of a grommet.
TRAV'ELER, n.
1. One who travels in any way. Job:31.
2. One who visits foreign countries.
3. In ships, an iron thimble or thimbles with a rope spliced round =
them, forming a kind of tail or a species of grommet.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dale Nelson <dnelson@wizzards.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Grommets
>Tom Roberts wrote:
>>=20
>> Just bought a small hunter's tent and was surprised to find grommets =
on
>> the fly. I suspect they are inappropriate for pre-1840 and was
>> wondering if someone knowledgeable could comment.
>
>Sailing ships had to have grommets in the sails, whether brass or sewed
>I don't know, but it's not like they weren't used. That's the first
>place I'd start a search though -- Mystic Seaport Museum etc.
> DN
>
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 00:31:48 EST
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Grommets
Lanney, Could you please give me (us) the source for the Noah Webster CD.
Thanks. yhs, 'Barney Fife"
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 23:49:17 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Grommets
I bought the CD from Christian Technologies. They sell supplies to the =
Christian home school market and use the 1828 dictionary because Noah =
Webster used the Bible as the foundation of his definitions. They also =
sell Webster's 1833 Bible on CD. I don't do the home school thing but =
the dictionary is amazing. I find odd words in period journals and =
diaries and usually find a definition within seconds, including all =
references to the word in question found in the dictionary. They have a =
web site: http://www.christiantech.com
The CD cost $29.95 plus $5.00 S&H. I ordered it from the web site and =
it arrived within a week.
I hope this helps.
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: RR1LA@aol.com <RR1LA@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Grommets
>Lanney, Could you please give me (us) the source for the Noah Webster =
CD.
>Thanks. yhs, 'Barney Fife"
>
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 09:51:16 EST
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: trapping beaver in open water
To some extent it depends on what state you are trapping in, as to what is
legal. There are several books on the subject, but if you will let me know
what state you are in I will give you the name or names of someone who can
help you. I myself trap many beaver using foot hold traps. Have caught as
many as 72 in two weeks.
TrapRJoe
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:04:21 EST
From: Traphand@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: trapping beaver in open water
trapping in missouri 80 miles west of st.louis.
thank
traphand
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:29:02 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Boiling wild water
A day or two ago someone (and I forget who, since I have deleted a lot =
of e-mail) posted the flat statement that boiling does not kill anything =
in water and cited being in the medical field as his qualification. =
This is contradictory to what any water treatment plant operator will =
tell you. My brother holds a class B surface water treatment license =
from the state of Texas, which is granted only upon passing a vigorous =
examination and is qualification enough to operate any size water =
treatement plant in the state, and he assures me that boiling water a =
relatively low altitudes for 30 minutes will kill any living critter it =
the water. At very high altitudes where water boils at significantly =
less than 212 degrees some bugs might not be killed but the addition of =
a small amount of household chlorine bleach will finish the job. Of =
course, boiling removes nothing from the water and, in fact, might tend =
to slightly concentrate industrial, agriculture or naturally occuring =
contamination.
Water not otherwise contaminated that has been filtered through a clean =
1 micron filter is free of virtually all bugs and since boiling will =
indeed kill living organisms, my opinion is that wild water can be made =
perfectly safe to drink with minimal effort.
Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 13:42:33 EST
From: JSeminerio@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: How to Make a Grommet
Read "The Marlin Spike Sailor" by Hervey Garrett Smith Great book on canvas
and rope craft. Should be in any big or lending library
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:39:31 EST
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: RE: trapping beaver in open water
It's to late now but the National Trappers Assn. Convention was in Columbus,
MO this past summer..
Try calling Stan Berkbuegler at 573-547-2846. He is the president of the
Missouri Trappers Assn. He ought to be able to hook you up with a trapper
right where you are. You shouldn't have any problem with footholds in MO.
I'm in OK just about a 130 miles from MO.
TrapRJoe
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:40:40 EST
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boiling wild water
didn't say anything, said everything
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 14:46:04 -0500
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Books on sign language
And the winner is Terry Landis. The runner ups were the Lawyers. Sorry I have only
one book. You guys must stay up all night waiting for good news. If terry does not
sent the envelope with all the postage...soon, the I will let the Lawyers know.
Linda Holley
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 18:24:01 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water purification
TrapR Joe
You may have meant "everything" but your fingers spelled "anything". I =
have done the same thing........I have proof read a post repeatedly and =
still missed something that completely changed the meaning of what I =
intended to say. =20
I agree that it may be difficult to kill EVERYTHING by boiling, =
particularly at high altitudes. I hauled bottled spring water all the =
way from Texas to Idaho last summer, hauling it into camp in a burlap =
sack as needed.=20
Lanney Ratcliff=20
- -----Original Message-----
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com <TrapRJoe@aol.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water purification
>Boiling doesn't kill anything in the water. There are a thing called
>indospores, but I won't go into that, no need for a micro bio =
discussion
>here. I'm in the medical field and believe me nothing is ever =
completely
>safe. We do the best we can and that's why water is tested often and
>chimicals such as clorine is used in the water. When it comes to water =
play
>it safe Do Not Put Yourself At Risk. Just a men ate bad meat in the =
war
>between the states, some got sick some didn't. Today we would all get =
sick
>and most of us die. Are bodies just don't have the same immune system. =
It's
>not exposed to the same microbs, Thank goodness.
> TrapR Joe
>
>
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:42:03 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Matchcoat
Jody,
Hope you don't find this too disappointing but it is my impression that a match
coat is just a short section of blanket that can be wrapped around you as a
coat/shawl. There isn't anything to make other than deciding how big or small
the blanket needs to be. I'm told that the blanket needs to come from where
ever on your legs you wish it to start at and up and over your head with enough
slack to cinch at the waist with a sash or belt and pin closed at your chest
with room for the arms to move and still have enough extra to pull over your
head if not allowed to drape down the back as a short cape. Confused? I
remain.....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
Jody Carlson wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a good pattern available to make a wool matchcoat of the
> 1820s?
>
> In advance I thank you all.
>
> sjsdm@conpoint.com
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Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 21:51:50 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
> Snakeshot wrote:
>
> Yes but when you burn our trees you have what is called
> coals left to cook over. When I was up north when the last
> whisp of smoke was gone so was the fire. In some places
> we can legaly shoot 5 deer a season, that makes up for the
> size.:)
>
> Snakeshot,
Well we get coals from the trees we have up here too, but when the flames die down
I've known camp mates to cook on the same coals for the whole of week long
Rendezvous before they had to add wood. So you say you can shoot 5 of them deer
critters. Why son, that's just great. Kinda like ground sluicing a covey of quail
up here. Same amount of meat but what's the point? <BG> I remain.....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 22:11:04 -0800
From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@powernet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: water purification
TrapRJoe@aol.com wrote:
> Boiling doesn't kill anything in the water. There are a thing called
> indospores, but I won't go into that, no need for a micro bio discussion
> here.
I do not mean any disrespect, but boiling does kill things in water which will make
you sick. E. coli is a good example of what would be a common waterborne illness in
the US and boiling will kill it as well as most anything in the water including
viruses. Heat denatures the proteins in the Cellular membranes of bacteria and the
protein coats of viruses, thus killing them. As for Endospores, they are dormant
spores of bacterium.
They are resistant to heat chemicals and radiation and they are everywhere. But they
require nutrients, and favorable conditions to become active and begin to multiply.
Boiled water (minus floating debris) is not favorable for bacterial growth even
though it may contain Endospores. Again they are resistant to heat etc., not
invulnerable so enough boiling will do it. As anyone who makes home brew knows, your
tap water is also far from sterile. So, Filter it, Boil it, use Iodine Tabs, Just
Drink it, It won't kill you unless you try to breathe it.
Your most 'onry and disobedient hivernant
Sega
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 03:23:56 EST
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
In a message dated 99-01-08 18:35:27 EST, you write:
<< Yes but when you burn our trees you have what is called
coals left to cook over. >>
That's no Texican exageration either if it's misquite! We have it here in
Nevada too. IF you can get past the thorns & don't mind wiping out the edge
on your chain saw, it's some of the best cooking wood. The only trick is cut
it & work it up green then let it season. Once it's dried out ready to burn,
a chain saw will just bounce on it. I haven't tried cutting it with a period
cross cut -- yet, but I'd expect the same performance.
NM
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 03:23:58 EST
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping beaver in open water
Another question on this subject:
What's the recipe for "castorium" -- hope I spelled that right -- anyhow --
recipe for "beaver bait".
NM
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 07:45:29 -0600
From: "Austin, Tim" <AustinT@doimex2.sill.army.mil>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Tompkins book
Terry,
Ron Harris has a book store and he tries to keep them in stock. You
can contact him at: buckskin@cyberramp.net
Good luck. =20
Tim Austin
> ----------
> From: Terry Landis[SMTP:landis1@gte.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 1999 9:11 PM
> To: Hist_Text@Lists. Xmission. Com
> Subject: MtMan-List: Tompkins book
>=20
> =A0
> =A0
> would anyone know where to get a copy of Tompkins book "Indian sign
> language"?
>=20
> I thought I'd like to try my "hand" at it.
>=20
> =A0
>=20
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 10:15:18 EST
From: TrapRJoe@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping beaver in open water
They are refering to caster. The scent glands of the beaver. They are ground
and sometimes mixed with the oil glands located beside the casters. I have
also seen them used fresh just by squesing them so the release their contents.
TrapRJoe
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 09:36:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Sam Keller <skel_98@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trapping beaver in open water
Always did hate trying to use them fresh, gets all over your hands and
the stink lasts forever.
- ---TrapRJoe@aol.com wrote:
>
> They are refering to caster. The scent glands of the beaver. They
are ground
> and sometimes mixed with the oil glands located beside the casters.
I have
> also seen them used fresh just by squesing them so the release their
contents.
>
> TrapRJoe
>
>
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 17:44:45 -0600
From: "Jody Carlson" <sjsdm@conpoint.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Matchcoat or watchcoat?
Capt. Lahti & others,
I evidently picked the wrong word - the garment I was referring to was also
called a watchcoat.
In case that still is wrong, I am looking for a long coat, with cape (or
capes), but no hood as used by the gentry, stagecoach drivers, etc.
Any clues as to good patterns would be appreciated.
In advance I thank you,
Jody
sjsdm@conpoint.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:56:55 EST
From: TetonTod@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Matchcoat or watchcoat?
What I believe you are looking for is a "Greatcoat".
Todd Glover
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 16:04:30 -0800
From: Frank <Buckskinner@gbis.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Matchcoat or watchcoat?
Jody,
Could you by chance be thinking of the "Great Coat"? This is a long hooded
wrap around coat usually with a shoulder cape out of the 1700's. If you could
narrow your search to a specific time period or historical person that might
help. Is this for your persona or just general use? If you're talking about
cowboy clothing, there are some good cowboy action sites that would be better
able to help you and even advise you where to obtain the article you're looking
for.
Medicine Bear
Jody Carlson wrote:
> Capt. Lahti & others,
>
> I evidently picked the wrong word - the garment I was referring to was also
> called a watchcoat.
>
> In case that still is wrong, I am looking for a long coat, with cape (or
> capes), but no hood as used by the gentry, stagecoach drivers, etc.
>
> Any clues as to good patterns would be appreciated.
>
> In advance I thank you,
>
> Jody
> sjsdm@conpoint.com
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:41:01 -0600
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <yrrw@cyberramp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
Damn Capt., you boys up north are getting nasty! ! ! Have you been hanging
out with Dennis ?
Pendleton
- ----------
> From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:51 PM
>
> > Snakeshot wrote:
> >
> > Yes but when you burn our trees you have what is called
> > coals left to cook over. When I was up north when the last
> > whisp of smoke was gone so was the fire. In some places
> > we can legaly shoot 5 deer a season, that makes up for the
> > size.:)
> >
> > Snakeshot,
>
> Well we get coals from the trees we have up here too, but when the flames
die down
> I've known camp mates to cook on the same coals for the whole of week
long
> Rendezvous before they had to add wood. So you say you can shoot 5 of
them deer
> critters. Why son, that's just great. Kinda like ground sluicing a covey
of quail
> up here. Same amount of meat but what's the point? <BG> I remain.....
>
> YMOS
> Capt. Lahti'
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:26:03 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
Larry, My Dear Friend and Brother...
:-ppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!
Dennis
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: yellow rose/pendleton <yrrw@cyberramp.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>Damn Capt., you boys up north are getting nasty! ! ! Have you been hanging
>out with Dennis ?
>Pendleton
>
>----------
>> From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
>> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
>> Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:51 PM
>>
>> > Snakeshot wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes but when you burn our trees you have what is called
>> > coals left to cook over. When I was up north when the last
>> > whisp of smoke was gone so was the fire. In some places
>> > we can legaly shoot 5 deer a season, that makes up for the
>> > size.:)
>> >
>> > Snakeshot,
>>
>> Well we get coals from the trees we have up here too, but when the flames
>die down
>> I've known camp mates to cook on the same coals for the whole of week
>long
>> Rendezvous before they had to add wood. So you say you can shoot 5 of
>them deer
>> critters. Why son, that's just great. Kinda like ground sluicing a covey
>of quail
>> up here. Same amount of meat but what's the point? <BG> I remain.....
>>
>> YMOS
>> Capt. Lahti'
>>
>>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:41:35 -0600
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Matchcoat or watchcoat?
Jody,
Green River Forge published a Riding Coat Pattern which sounds like what you
are looking for. There are patterns for both men and women's versions.
Can be
made with one, multiple or no shoulder capes.
It is a long coat with split tail designed to be made of wool.
Call Lance Grabowski he's the only one I know who has them available.
505-471-0011
John...
At 05:44 PM 1/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Capt. Lahti & others,
>
>I evidently picked the wrong word - the garment I was referring to was also
>called a watchcoat.
>
>In case that still is wrong, I am looking for a long coat, with cape (or
>capes), but no hood as used by the gentry, stagecoach drivers, etc.
>
>Any clues as to good patterns would be appreciated.
>
>In advance I thank you,
>
>Jody
>sjsdm@conpoint.com
>
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 19:55:44 -0600
From: "northwoods" <northwoods@ez-net.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: RE: Beaver castor
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Castor is a strong smelling oily substance obtained from the sexual =
glands
of the beaver. This substance is used as an attractant for trapping, and =
will attract not only beaver but nearly every furbearer that roams the =
continent.
Often, in the spring a beaver will come out of the water onto the bank, =
scratch up=20
a little dirt, then deposit some castor onto it. Every beaver traveling =
near that area
will then stop and deposit there own castor there.
This scent is the strongest and longest lasting of any animal musk or =
scent.
I've read where mountain men reffered to it as "Dab". I would assume =
that this=20
was because all they had to do to catch beaver was "dab" a small amount
of castor on a twig and then place a trap in shallow water underneath =
it=20
so the beaver when attempting to smell the castor would place there foot
in the trap. Of course, if the mountain man found a place where no =
other=20
trappers had been, the beaver would swim rite up to em' snd they would =
then=20
just club em'. (Thats what i've read anyway.)
From the northwoods
Tony
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>in the trap. Of course, if the mountain man =
found a=20
place where no other </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>trappers had been, the beaver would swim rite up to =
em' snd=20
they would then </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>just club em'. (Thats what i've read =
anyway.)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>From the northwoods</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2> =20
Tony</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 18:39:25 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Matchcoat or watchcoat?
Jody,
I suspect what you are looking for is a Great Coat which was worn well into the
Rendezvous era. It usually has a short cape and is quit long. It is big but
well fitted unlike the ever popular capote as made today. Several outfitters
offer the pattern and Jas. Townsend and Sons is just one that offers a pattern.
They advertise in the ML mags and have a web page that can be found by doing a
search. I remain.....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
Jody Carlson wrote:
> Capt. Lahti & others,
>
> I evidently picked the wrong word - the garment I was referring to was also
> called a watchcoat.
>
> In case that still is wrong, I am looking for a long coat, with cape (or
> capes), but no hood as used by the gentry, stagecoach drivers, etc.
>
> Any clues as to good patterns would be appreciated.
>
> In advance I thank you,
>
> Jody
> sjsdm@conpoint.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:49:43 EST
From: RR1LA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Matchcoat or watchcoat?
Jody, Here is a link to a pattern provider:
<A HREF="http://www.jastown.com/">Jas. Townsend & Son, Inc. Home Page</A>
Hope this helps. Ralph Rosen aka 'Barney Fife'
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:15:52 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: tinfoil
Question: Is true tinfoil available? =20
Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:35:53 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
Pendlton,
You mean ol' Dennis Miles? Yea, he's our hired gun, mouth piece, Brigade
Lawyer! Last time I talked to him, he said he could whup any five Texicans!
<BG>I remain.....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
yellow rose/pendleton wrote:
> Damn Capt., you boys up north are getting nasty! ! ! Have you been hanging
> out with Dennis ?
> Pendleton
>
> ----------
> > From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
> > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tinder
> > Date: Sunday, January 10, 1999 11:51 PM
> >
> > > Snakeshot wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes but when you burn our trees you have what is called
> > > coals left to cook over. When I was up north when the last
> > > whisp of smoke was gone so was the fire. In some places
> > > we can legaly shoot 5 deer a season, that makes up for the
> > > size.:)
> > >
> > > Snakeshot,
> >
> > Well we get coals from the trees we have up here too, but when the flames
> die down
> > I've known camp mates to cook on the same coals for the whole of week
> long
> > Rendezvous before they had to add wood. So you say you can shoot 5 of
> them deer
> > critters. Why son, that's just great. Kinda like ground sluicing a covey
> of quail
> > up here. Same amount of meat but what's the point? <BG> I remain.....
> >
> > YMOS
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
> >
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