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hist_text-digest       Friday, December 25 1998       Volume 01 : Number 204




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Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:29:21 -0800
From: Bill Patterson <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Tomahawk Target

Pine works fine in California.
At scout camp we use Redwood, make sure the wood is not starting to rot,
the hawks quicken the deterioration of the wood.
12 "-18" thick is good
Diameter the answer is bigger is better.

Bill Patterson

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:44:12 -0600
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: amazed

   >The quality of discourse on this line is subject to variation,
   >coming from a bunch of reprobates "who do not scruple to break wind
   >in publick", but it is the holidays and we all seem to be getting a
Pat, you got the jist of it but you quoted Mssr.la Priest slightly wrong,so
I'll ask you to see below and feel free to copy it! I'm sure any copyright
is long since expired: its only 300 years old. Fr. Louis was a Recollett
Missionary in the old northwest, He published quite a memoir of his travels
in the Americas,but I have read critique that the truth must have been
spectacular BEFORE he (true MM before there were any!)stretched the truth
nearly beyond belief.
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698

Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:44:16 -0600
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: amazing(dugouts)

   >> Anyone have any ideas on a better wood that won't have such a
   >>problem of   cracking, (my wife's fish pond isn't big enough to
   >>hold a 17" dugout unless   its cut in half !!!!!!)
   >In your case Buck, I would suggest a teak canoe.  Then you wouldn't
   >have to sink it to keep it wet.
   >One often finds cottonwoods along the river that have fallen down
   >for one reason or another, and which are washed up on the bank.
   >Since it is the drying and shrinking process that causes the cracks,
   >wouldn't it make sense to use an already seasoned log which has
   >been dried, but has not yet started to rot.  On the other hand,
   >Louisiana pirogues are hacked from some type of native wood down
   >there.  Perhaps we could learn from that technology.
   >Dave Kanger
Fellas you are answering your own questions about preserving dugouts!
Keep em wet and the wood does not dryout or crack. I think pirogues in La.
are made from cypress-Ya ain't gonna find that up in the shinin mountains.
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698

Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 08:47:26 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tomahawk Target

I did not see the original post, but it seems that someone asked for a =
reccomendation for a good wood for hawk blocks.  Cottonwood is =
excellent, particularly if you have time to let it dry out a little.  =
Once it has dried out cottonwood checks, sometimes pretty badly, but it =
is soft enough to take a blade well and is light enough to handle =
easily, especially in the larger diameters that are easily obtainable.  =
However, when fresh cut the average sized hawk block weighs about the =
same as a 1962 Ford 390cid V8 engine.  Cut 'em now, use 'em later. =20
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Patterson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 11:32 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Tomahawk Target


>Pine works fine in California.
>At scout camp we use Redwood, make sure the wood is not starting to =
rot,
>the hawks quicken the deterioration of the wood.
>12 "-18" thick is good
>Diameter the answer is bigger is better.
>
>Bill Patterson
>
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:11:36 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: single women

In a message dated 98-12-23 14:26:32 EST, you write:

<< Are
 there any single women who like to! >>

Off the top of my head I could name 20 or more ranging in age from 19 to 60+.
Most got into it due to ex-husbands, lovers or their parents did it and they
loved it to much to sit around waiting for some man to come sweep them off
their feet and take them off to camp.  So don't loss hope you might get luck
like me, my wife and kids want to go camp as much if not more than I do.

Happy holidays and New Year
Your humble servant

C.T. Oakes

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:51:32 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: amazed

Thanks, Jeff, and here's a rippin' FRAAAPPP for you!
Merry Christmas
Pat Quilter

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Powers [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 1998 12:44 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: amazed


   >The quality of discourse on this line is subject to variation,
   >coming from a bunch of reprobates "who do not scruple to break wind
   >in publick", but it is the holidays and we all seem to be getting a
Pat, you got the jist of it but you quoted Mssr.la Priest slightly wrong,so
I'll ask you to see below and feel free to copy it! I'm sure any copyright
is long since expired: its only 300 years old. Fr. Louis was a Recollett
Missionary in the old northwest, He published quite a memoir of his travels
in the Americas,but I have read critique that the truth must have been
spectacular BEFORE he (true MM before there were any!)stretched the truth
nearly beyond belief.
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

"They make no scruple to break wind publickly" Fr.Louis Hennepin 1698

Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:44:14 -0600
From: "yellow rose/pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: French Trading Houses in Texas

Ok folks I have a question. In 1992 Muzzleloader Mag. had a article on the
French Trade in Texas. It states that there were five French trading houses
near a Wichiatas village that was located on the Sabine River north of
present day Mineola TX. These trading houses were discovered by a Spanish
priest named Father Calahorra in 1760. Since this location is only about 30
mi. from my house I would be really interested to know more about it. I
have been unable to find the exact location of this village. It could be
literally right in my back door. Any info would be appreciated.
Pendleton

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:52:04 -0500
From: "James C. Zeigler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Winter issue T&LR

Merry Christmas Everyone:
                         Was wondering if anyone has received their
winter issue (99 ?) of  The Tomahawk & Long Rife. I think I may
have been missed again....Thanks Jim Zeigler

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:15:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tomahawk Target

some of us lucky (unfrozen) boys in the western coastal climes have been using
Palm for years, and it works great; won't dull your blade but your hawk will
hold after a throw. Its VERY heavy when first cut, about a hundred pounds a
foot, but dries out rapidly.    if you want to create a challange for
yourself, and get ready for any possibility at rendezvous, try some of these
variations:
1.  Trail Walk (also known as Hawk Golf)
2.  Between narrow branches or trees at target
3.  Lying down throw at pesky injun sneaking up while sleeping
4.  Swinging target
5.  Two hawks, same hand  or Two Hawks, two hands
6.  Left handed throws, around objects
7.  Underhand Throw
8.  Opposite from normal handed throw
9.  Extreme elevations up and down
10. Vertical string hanging on target must be cut to score

Good luck and Merry Christmas to all.        Barney P. Fife

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:03:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: amazing(dugouts)

most of the pirogue boats are made of cypress as well as other dougouts
in the south---there is records of dougouts and pirogue boats lasting
well over 50 years---cypress also makes fine slat canoes--know of some
log cabins made of cypress that are well over 150 years and still in good
condition. it was a commn practice to sink a dougout or pirogue in order
to maintain it's water tight structure and to eleminate cracks in the
wood.

"HAWK"
Michael pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor Florida  34684
E-mail:   [e-mail]

On Wed, 23 Dec 1998 18:43:13 EST [e-mail] writes:
>In a message dated 98-12-23 18:32:42 EST, you write:
>> Anyone have any ideas on a better wood that won't have such a
>problem of
>>  cracking, (my wife's fish pond isn't big enough to hold a 17"
>dugout unless
>>  its cut in half !!!!!!)
>
>In your case Buck, I would suggest a teak canoe.  Then you wouldn't
>have to
>sink it to keep it wet.
>
>One often finds cottonwoods along the river that have fallen down for
>one
>reason or another, and which are washed up on the bank.  Since it is
>the
>drying and shrinking process that causes the cracks, wouldn't it make
>sense to
>use an already seasoned log which has been dried, but has not yet
>started to
>rot.  On the other hand, Louisiana pirogues are hacked from some type
>of
>native wood down there.  Perhaps we could learn from that technology.
>
>Dave Kanger
>
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:51:35 EST
From: [e-mail] (Ted A Hart)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: amazing(dugouts)

I'm interested in log cabins myself and have been trying to find good
sources for houses or cabins built with cypress logs like they do in
Louisiana in Cajun ways.  I even saw a movie in which a prisoner decided
to help a pregnant woman thru the Mississippi flood....they lived in a
house built of cypress logs and it floated on the water...does anyone
know what I'm talking about?  That kind of house is what I'm trying to
get info on.....email me on the list or privately.  Thanks!

Ted
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:09:02 -0600
From: "Paul W. Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French Trading Houses in Texas

Larry:

I was unware that there were five French trading posts in Texas.  I will
review Joutel's account (first published in 1713) of La Salle's last voyage
and see if that or any of my later material speaks to the issue.

Spanish Fort, Texas (on the Red River somewhat North and  East of Wichita
Falls) was in fact a very large French post, which was successfully operated
for many years.  While in my teens, I could still trace out several of the
mud walls of the compound.  Artifacts still work their way to the surface,
but now the site is owned by a gentleman from California, and he has cut off
all oportunity to walk the site or even view it closely.  I last visited it
in the Spring of 1997.  Working from maps prepared by the University of
Texas Archeological Department, I again easily found the primary site (now
viewed across a fence) as well as several nearby Indian sites which were in
existance at the time of the French trading post.  The Indian population at
the post and in the nearby villages numbered in the thousands on many
occasions.  Interestingly, one camp of Comanches was within a mile of the
post.  The thought of them living in peace with other tribes and whites
belies their later exploits.

Near the site of the French post there is the headwaters of what is now a
very small spring fed creek.  At the time of the French occupation, the
creek was considerably larger, and much canoe traffic from the Red  is
reported.  It runs to the NW from the town of Spanish Fort to the Red.  To
call Spanish Fort a town is a gross overstatement, as it is now just a few
houses.  When my grandfather first took in there in the 50's you could still
see the ruins of a store which had served as a local museum of sorts
dedicated to the French post and the Spanish attempts to destroy it.
Unfortunately all of the artifacts were destroyed when the building burned
and buried the basement many years ago.

My grandfather had a photograph from the store of a Spanish helmet, breast
plate and several daggers and a sword.  These had all been found within 15
miles of the site, along the Red.  From the reconstruction, it appears that
several Spanish soldiers survived the initial failed attack and "forted up"
only to be cut down by the pursuing Indian allies of the French.

The Spanish were very concerned about this post, and at least two major
expeditions from Bexar were sent to destroy it.  On both occasions, the few
French present and their Indian allies (including the Comanches from that
area) routed them before they could get near the post.

I will dig out my material on the site.  Next time I am in that area,
perhaps we could visit Spanish Fort and look over the site of the post and
the various Indian village sites.

I will also find out what I can about other French sites and get back to
you.

Best Regards,   Paul
- -----Original Message-----
From: yellow rose/pendleton <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 24, 1998 11:56 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: French Trading Houses in Texas


>Ok folks I have a question. In 1992 Muzzleloader Mag. had a article on the
>French Trade in Texas. It states that there were five French trading houses
>near a Wichiatas village that was located on the Sabine River north of
>present day Mineola TX. These trading houses were discovered by a Spanish
>priest named Father Calahorra in 1760. Since this location is only about 30
>mi. from my house I would be really interested to know more about it. I
>have been unable to find the exact location of this village. It could be
>literally right in my back door. Any info would be appreciated.
>Pendleton
>
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:00:50 -0600 (CST)
From: "S. Gilbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Taking the plunge

Hello the list,

I wanted to say Merry Christmas to you all and thank you.  After all the
great advice and helpful pointers on getting started, we have ordered our
lodge.  I've been making clothing and mocs and we've been going to
gatherings and trade fairs for the basics.  We are starting small, so we
can add as we see the need.
My husband, who was not sure there was a place for him in this adventure,
has started to get very excited about all the possibilities.  He is
researching geological surveying in Early America, as he minored in
geology in college.  We are on our way!

Happy Holidays to you all!

Susan Gilbert
(Old Hands)

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 16:27:56 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Log Cabins

Ted (and the rest of the list) here are some great links i've found.   There
are restorers, builders, suppliers of drawings, plans and materials, etc etc.
If you need direct addresses, please don't hesitate to let me know.  Happy
Holidays to all.   Enjoy.    Barney P. Fife
<A HREF="http://www.country-log-cabins.com/"> Country Log Cabins, A Piece of
American History</A>
 <A HREF="http://www.cascadecountrycabins.com/">Cascade Country Cabins</A>
 <A HREF="http://www.timberandstone.com/">Timber and Stone</A>
 <A HREF="http://www.sissonloghomes.com/">Sisson Log Homes, America's Factory
Direct Log Home Source</A>
 <A HREF="http://www.barnagreatlakes.com/">Barna Log Homes, Inc. Michigan</A>
 <A HREF="http://www.ccfp.com/home.html">Log Homes And Cabins By Courtney
Custom Forest Products
 </A><A HREF="http://www.nplhomes.com/">New Pioneer Log Homes, Inc. - Welcome
</A>
 <A HREF="http://www.logcabins.net/">Heartland's Home Page</A>
 <A HREF="http://www.loghomezone.com/">Log Homes, pictures, related products
and services in The Log Home Zone</A>

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:35:56 -0600
From: Bishnow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks

Marion D. Watts wrote:
>
> My apologies to all for showing individual gratitude on the list.  I'm a
> new comer, thus not aware of proper etiquette.  Your understanding is
> appreciated.
> Your most humble and obedient servant,
> [e-mail]
> [e-mail]
> M. D. Watts
>
> ----------
> > From: [e-mail]
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: MtMan-List: Releif, gratitude, thanks
> > Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:43 AM
> >
> > Fellow group members,
> >
> > May I say what a relief and pleasure it is to have recently gotten back
> to
> > some good historical based discussions. That's what this group is all
> about.
> > Not arguing and attacking each other and taking offense over which rifle
> is
> > best etc. And certainly not telling someone what you intend to do to
> their
> > Wives and Daughters!
> >
> > For almost three years I've hung out here learning and have come to enjoy
> and
> > respect the opinions of many of you. Unfortunately some of the best have
> > dropped off the list due to the large amount of drivel that occasionally
> takes
> > over. I'm not sure Dean had any idea what kind of monster he created back
> > then.
> >
> > As long as we remember the basic parameters of the group (sharing of
> > historical information and ideas) then all seems to go well. Many of the
> > comments are best suited for private mail, not for the whole group. Take
> the
> > time to respond directly to individuals rather than thanking or making
> > personal comments  posted to the whole group.
> >
> > Once again, discussions of late on fabric, clothing patterns, mileage,
> traps
> > etc...that's what we're about.
> >
> > Thanks for your time and comments and HAPPY HOLIDAYS ONE AND ALL!!!!!!!
> >
> > Todd Glover
They got a shot that will cure the etiquette!!

Snakeshot

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 20:01:57 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Christmas Wishes

Friends,

It's been another great year on the list. Here's lookin forward to another!

Merry Christmas to all and a Healthy and Happy New Year!

Todd Glover

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:56:03 -0800
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Holiday Greetings!

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From my lodge to yours...
Merry Christmas!
As we celebrate the birth of our savior and give our gifts to family and
friends may we pause to remember the greatest gift of all.
God gave His only Son so that we could once again have a relationship
with Him!

I wish each and every one who reads this list that very same "greatest
gift of all"...I wish you Jesus.

Grace and peace, Medicine Bear

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<font color="#009900">From my lodge to yours...</font>
<br><font face="Old English"><font color="#FF0000"><font size=+4>Merry
Christmas!</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Graphite Light"><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+1>As
we celebrate the birth of our savior and give our gifts to family and friends
may we pause to remember the greatest gift of all.</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Graphite Light"><font color="#3333FF"><font size=+1>God
gave His only Son so that we could once again have a relationship with
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<p><font face="Graphite Light"><font color="#993366"><font size=+1>I wish
each and every one who reads this list that very same "greatest gift of
all"...I wish you Jesus.</font></font></font><font face="Graphite Light"><font color="#993366"><font size=+1></font></font></font>
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 21:47:27 -0600
From: Terry Venden <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Holiday Greetings

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I too would like to wish every one on this History List the best of
holiday spirits and a healthy and prosperous new Year.  I truly enjoy
all the information that i receive from you all.  I'm in the hopes of
meeting many of you as our paths cross on this earth journey.  Keep up
the great work.

                 Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

            Terry & Debbie Venden (Medicine Bear & Doe Eyes)
                         Two Wolves Trading Co.
                            Northeast Texas.

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I too would like to wish every one on this History List the best of holiday
spirits and a healthy and prosperous new Year.  I truly enjoy all
the information that i receive from you all.  I'm in the hopes of
meeting many of you as our paths cross on this earth journey.  Keep
up the great work.
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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 23:13:10 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Holiday Greetings!

Frank wrote:
>
> From my lodge to yours...
> Merry Christmas!
> As we celebrate the birth of our savior and give our gifts to family
> and friends may we pause to remember the greatest gift of all.
> God gave His only Son so that we could once again have a
> relationship with Him!
>
> I wish each and every one who reads this list that very same
> "greatest gift of all"...I wish you Jesus.
>
> Grace and peace, Medicine Bear

The same to you and everyone Frank!

Fred

- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!

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Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:43:30 -0600
From: "Amos Eastridge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the season

Well, at the Alafia Ronny in Central Florida in Jan 1998, on Jan 19, it was
19 degrees!!! Woke up to an dish pan full of ice!!!  Scared hell outta tha
tourists!!! hehe...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the season


Joe
I came through Dubois about July 6 this year and noticed a lot of snow in
the shadows.  It would take this Texas boy a while to get used to that kind
of cold.  I have primitive camped here at 6 above and that was cool enough.
Keep warm.
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joe Brandl <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the season


>Here is sunny Dubois Wyoming it was -35 sunday morning, went duck hunting
>with my boy, froze our fingers
>Damn it is cold
>Joe
>
>Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
>Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
>Write for custom tanning prices
>We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
>hair on robes
>Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
>check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 03:02:42 EST
From: [e-mail] (Greg N Bosen Bosen)
Subject: MtMan-List: tinsmithing?

i'm interested in learning to tinsmith.  Where would be a good place to
start.  Any books at the library i should try?  what are the basic tools
needed?  my father is a Goldsmith so i have access to his tool when
needed.  they seem to be different though.

Greg Bosen

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:35:58 -0500
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the season

Well, I hope you will be there again.  I know I will.  And l will be warm and
comfortable in what ever I bring.

Linda Holley

Amos Eastridge wrote:

> Well, at the Alafia Ronny in Central Florida in Jan 1998, on Jan 19, it was
> 19 degrees!!! Woke up to an dish pan full of ice!!!  Scared hell outta tha
> tourists!!! hehe...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 5:47 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the season
>
> Joe
> I came through Dubois about July 6 this year and noticed a lot of snow in
> the shadows.  It would take this Texas boy a while to get used to that kind
> of cold.  I have primitive camped here at 6 above and that was cool enough.
> Keep warm.
> Lanney Ratcliff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Brandl <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 5:03 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: the season
>
> >Here is sunny Dubois Wyoming it was -35 sunday morning, went duck hunting
> >with my boy, froze our fingers
> >Damn it is cold
> >Joe
> >
> >Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
> >Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
> >Write for custom tanning prices
> >We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
> >hair on robes
> >Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
> >check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 09:40:59 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: A reminder of weather conditions

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Good Morning,

Just opened a gift from the wife "Lewis & Clark", (The Journey of the =
Corps of Discovery}; and found a statement that reminded me of the =
resent e-mail about the weather conditions our brothers have been =
having.
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On Christmas Eve, the temperature climbed above zero - and almost above =
freezing. Fort Mandan was deemed officially complete, and the captains =
handed out dried apples, pepper, and extra flour for the next day's meal =
and celebration.=20
Just before Christmas dawn, the captains were awakened by the men, all =
if them, Clark noted, "merrily disposed."

December 25th, 1804.
We ushed [in] the morning with a discharge of the Swivvel [gun], and one =
round of Small arms of all the party.=20
Then another from the Swivvel. Then Capt. Clark presented a glass of =
brandy to each man of the party. We hoisted the american flag, and each =
man had another Glass of brandy.
The men prepared one of the rooms and commenced dancing. At 10 o'c =
[lock] we had another Glass of brandy, at one a gun was fired as a =
Signal for diner. Half past two another gun was fired to assemble at the =
dance, and So we kept it up in a jov[ia]l manner untill eight o'c[lock] =
at night, all without the company of the female Seck [sex].
Joseph Whitehouse
The mandans were asked not to visit the fort on Christmas because, the =
captains explained, it was a "great medicine" day for the expedition. =
But on New Year's, the men celebrated with their Indian hosts.

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In the next life may we experience such an adventure, and may God see us =
fit enough to handle the chore.

Happy Holidays

YF&B
Buck Conner


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Good Morning,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Just opened a gift from the wife "Lewis &=20
Clark", (The Journey of the Corps of Discovery}; and found a =
statement that=20
reminded me of the resent e-mail about the weather conditions our =
brothers have=20
been having.</FONT></DIV>
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face=3D""=20
size=3D3>****************</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><FONT size=3D4>O</FONT>n =
Christmas Eve,=20
the temperature climbed above zero - and almost above freezing. Fort =
Mandan was=20
deemed officially complete, and the captains handed out dried apples, =
pepper,=20
and extra flour for the next day's meal and celebration. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><FONT size=3D4>J<FONT=20
size=3D2>ust</FONT></FONT> before Christmas dawn, the captains were =
awakened by=20
the men, all if them, Clark noted, "merrily =
disposed."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><EM>December 25th,=20
1804.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><FONT =
size=3D4><EM>W</FONT>e ushed=20
</EM>[in]<EM> the morning with a discharge of the Swivvel </EM>[gun], =
<EM>and=20
one round of Small arms of all the party. </EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><EM><FONT size=3D4>T<FONT=20
size=3D2>hen</FONT></FONT> another from the Swivvel. Then Capt. Clark =
presented a=20
glass of brandy to each man of the party. We hoisted the american flag, =
and each=20
man had another Glass of brandy.</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><EM><FONT =
size=3D4>T</FONT>he men=20
prepared one of the rooms and commenced dancing. At 10 o'c =
</EM>[lock]<EM> we=20
had another Glass of brandy, at one a gun was fired as a Signal for =
diner. Half=20
past two another gun was fired to assemble at the dance, and So we kept =
it up in=20
a jov</EM>[ia]<EM>l manner untill eight o'c</EM>[lock]<EM> at night, all =
without=20
the company of the female Seck </EM>[sex].</FONT></DIV>
<DIV align=3Dright><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><FONT =
size=3D4>J</FONT>oseph=20
<FONT size=3D4>W</FONT>hitehouse</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2></FONT><FONT =
color=3D#000000=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><FONT size=3D4>T</FONT>he mandans were =
asked not to=20
visit the fort on Christmas because, the captains explained, it was a=20
"great medicine" day for the expedition. But on New Year's, =
the men=20
celebrated with their Indian hosts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV align=3Dcenter><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D3>****************</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D3></FONT><FONT size=3D2>In =
the next life may=20
we experience such an adventure, and may God see us fit enough to handle =
the=20
chore.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Happy Holidays</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT size=3D3>YF&B</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DMistral size=3D4>Buck =
Conner</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:57:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A reminder of weather conditions

Buck writes:
> On Christmas Eve, the temperature climbed above zero - and almost above
> freezing.

Interesting quote.  How did they know what the temperature was?  When was the
thermometer invented, and was it an item normally carried by expeditionary
forces?
Dave Kanger

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:48:01 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A reminder of weather conditions

Dave
Galileo (1564-1642) is credited with inventing the thermometer, but =
Gabriel Daniel Fahrenheit (1686-1736) invented the mercury thermometer =
in 1714 and used it to develope the Fahrenheit scale that is still in =
use today (and by Lewis & Clark).  Hope this helps.  L&C carried several =
scientific instruments on the Voyage of Discovery, and I think I read =
that more than one thermometer was carried.  Others better versed in L&C =
can provide more data.
Lanney Ratcliff =20
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Date: Friday, December 25, 1998 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A reminder of weather conditions


>Buck writes:
>> On Christmas Eve, the temperature climbed above zero - and almost =
above=20
>> freezing.
>
>Interesting quote.  How did they know what the temperature was?  When =
was the
>thermometer invented, and was it an item normally carried by =
expeditionary
>forces?
>Dave Kanger
>
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:46:01 +0000
From: [e-mail] (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A reminder of weather conditions

Dave, The Corps carried thermometers, and guarded them carefully as they
are fragile.  They did well, but eventually all the thermometers were
broken.  I don't know when the instrument was invented? This expedition
was, in part, a scientific exploration.  Lewis was schooled (crammed) in
the use of many different sciences, in order to make accurate
observations along the route.  There were many scientific tools along.
Hardtack

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