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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 12:27:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan Replica Clothing Notebook

Hello All!

    . . . just one more thought, this might be a good time, before we get too far
along, to suggest starting a notebook on the MtMan replica clothing techniques
that we will be covering.  It is a good way to organize your information,
adding samples and photographs, and a good reference when you teach younger
boys and others later on.

    You can probably pick up a suitable notebook at your local office supply
center (or trading post).  To help keep the topics organized you can make or
buy some dividers and label them according to subject.  We will start with the
MtMan replica cloth (rectangle) shirt, next I presume will come the wool
(blanket) capote, followed by a braintan shirt (or  other) project.

    I hope my sewing posts will bring the concept of sewing some of your own
clothing and furnishing items to a more feasible level for those of you who
would like to give it a whirl.  I will help you all I can as I have the spare
time--looking forward to learning with all of you.

Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 11:46:39 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Snow Shoeing

Grant,

I personally don't think you can go wrong by wearing winter moc,s and securing
your snow shoes with the method used by the Native Americans. You will find
directions for the hitch used in a "Ben Hunt" Indian Crafts" book. It requires two
whangs of leather. One over the toes and one around the heal. I quit using the
leather buckle style as soon as I learned how to tie the indian hitch ( it was
actually invented by my Finnish Forefathers and introduced to the indians well
before Columbus). Your winter mocs should have room for a wool blanket bootie
inside and what ever sock you wish to wear. Don't try to do a lot of waterproofing
on the mocs and they will be very sure footed on the snow. I like brain tan as the
leather of choice for lashings and mocs. I do grease the lashings. Got any further
questions just ask. I remain.....

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

[e-mail] wrote:

> I am probably going to get some snow shoes for Christmas and need some gear
> help/advice.  Where can I find a pattern or instructions for making authentic
> bindings?  What is the best leather to use for bindings?  Or is there a better
> material for bindings?  What are other items that are good to have when
> pre-1840 snow shoeing?  I will be wearing them mostly when persuing small game
> in the winter woods.  Is there a type of gator that would be authentic for a
> transitional longhunter (1785-1795)?  What are some good sources of
> information on gear for cold weather jaunting?  Anyway, that is more than
> enough questions for now.  Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving.  Thanks.
>
> Grant

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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 22:35:31 +0000
From: Laura Rugel Glise <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw:

Was the animal a conie?

Laura Jean

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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:29:22 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw:

No, not a conie.  Conie was not listed in the 1828 dictionary.  Neither =
was pecheon.   Thanks for trying.
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Laura Rugel Glise <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw:


>Was the animal a conie?=20
>
>Laura Jean
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 01:02:38 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]

CPT:

glad to have you back just made it home myself from being out making
winter meat---hunted arkansas and mo.  ken yellowfeather joined me in
arkansas and saw the old original 54 make meat---ran a monster buck over
the top of him and he didn'nt get a shot---long story---saw lots of deer
and filled all of my tags---good year except it was really too warm and
there was not a good acorn crop in arkansas ---the mo. deer are corn and
bean fed---got to take the h.e. leman gun I restored and kill a a nice 6
point  one shot at about 70 yds with .495 round ball and 80 gr FFFg
- ---folded him up in his tracks like he was hit with a sledge hammer and
didn't hirt any meat---broke a rib on both sides and exploded his heart
and lungs---usually they run a few yards--

we eat good this winter for sure---glad to have you back---

      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]     E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

On Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:17:06 -0800 Roger Lahti <[e-mail]> writes:
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>> Dear Friends and etc.
>
>Back in Jan. my "Hairy Lizard" buddy Louie Lewis invited me to come
>hunt in a N.
>Idaho M/L Elk hunt this Nov. In anticipation I bought and built in
>Oct. a "Mark
>Silver" rifle in .62 cal. flint from Jim Chambers. I got it sighted in
>with a good
>load of 3fff under a .60 round ball and on the 19th of Nov. set off
>for the
>Clearwater Nat. Forest in Idaho.
>
>> For the next two weeks we hunted hard.  It rained most every day
>with a couple of
>> days of light snow that didn't stick well. We would get up at 0530
>and hunt until
>> 10, then come back to camp and have breakfast. We went out again
>until dark. I
>> usually was in my bedroll by 2000. Louie go
>> a white tail doe about a week into the hunt and got another shot at
>a cow in a
>> group of several but again no blood just a tuft of hair and 2 hours
>of trying
>> to figure which set of tracks were hers. Cliff Nole of N. Idaho got
>his elk a
>> week into the hunt. There were 5 white tails brought into camp by
>others in the
>> party, even a few grouse.
>>
>> We came back to Lewiston the night before Thanks Giving and we had
>dinner with
>> Louies friends and family at his daughter Brandy's house and then
>went back up on
>>
>> the mountain that night. We covered a lot of country in the next few
>days and
>> Louie took Mo. through Wed. this week off to stay with me a few more
>days but
>> had to go down Wed. It rained all day Wed so hard that we didn't go
>out. Just
>> stayed under cove. Two of his buddies and new friends of mine, Jerry
>and his dad
>> and mom, Bill and Noreen
>> stayed up but were gona have to leave Friday. I figured I'd stay as
>long as
>> there was some one in camp to help if I got lucky.
>
>> Over the two weeks I got real close to several white tail and got
>the shit scared
>> out of me by grouse going ballistic at my feet a number of times.
>There were
>> several moose in the
>> area we hunted and I walked by them at close range several times. I
>saw a few
>> elk from time to time but they never presented me with anything but
>long canyon
>> shots or just legs. One day I was walking just off the trail looking
>for a
>> place to dump and found a nice private copus of trees. I was just
>about ready
>> to lean my gun up when the elk that I had just walked by at about
>10' decided
>> to leave. I saw 3 1/2 legs go through the brush about 20' away and
>aimed at the
>> next opening. It never came by and must have turned just enough to
>miss that
>> one spot I could have shot.
>>
>> On Thursday we went up the mountain behind camp with Jerry in the
>little valley
>> and Bill and I up on the ridge. I walked out a skid road on Jerry's
>side of the
>> ridge and about a mile into the walk passed a white tail at 20'. She
>moved and
>> I turned at the sound. I saw her as she went up the hill but just
>long enough
>> to know I wasn't seeing elk. I walked back out to the end of the
>skid road and
>> crossed back over the ridge and went back down the road Bill and I
>had come up
>> until I came to an old logging road that went off to the east about
>half way to
>> camp. I walked up it until I came to the end and not seeing any
>fresh tracks
>> came back down to the next spur going east and started around that
>road as it
>> went around another little ridge.
>>
>> As it came out on the next draw, the ground opened up on a large old
>log deck
>> with a nice little meadow beyond. I slowly walked over to the edge
>of the
>> grassed over log deck and as I came to the edge I heard a limb break
>on the far
>> side of the little valley. I froze where I was and within moments a
>big cow elk
>> walked out of the
>> "Christmas Trees" and stood sideways to me. I found out later that
>it was 112
>> long paces from where I was to where her tracks were at that moment.
>I figured
>> I didn't have much time so I raised up the .62 flinter from
>"Chambers" , off
>> hand,
>> and picked a sight hold about a foot down from the back and just
>behind the
>> shoulder and squeezed off my shot. In two weeks of rain and in about
>a half
>> dozen shots to re-clean the gun, this rifle never failed to go off
>and with
>> almost instantaneous ignition. She didn't fail me this time and with
>a gentle
>> squeeze the ball was on its way.
>>
>> The smoke cleared quickly and I saw her walk off to the right. I
>reloaded as I
>> watched an elk go straight up the hill opposite and disappear. I
>walked slowly
>> to where my target had been standing and found her tracks. I thought
>I heard a
>> quiet bark from above as elk will do to relocate each other. The
>tracks went
>> to the right for a few feet and then turned up the hill and to the
>left as they
>> entered the "Christmas Trees". No blood and no hair! At the first
>couple of fir
>> trees at shoulder height to me I saw what I was hoping for, blood on
>both
>> trees! I mumbled a little something to the Great One that this not
>turn out bad
>> and started up the blood trail. The hill quickly became almost
>vertical and as
>> I followed the trail it was necessary to pull myself up by grabbing
>tree limbs
>> and trunks. I think that hill must have been at something like 70+
>degrees of
>> slope! About 50' into the climb I looked up through an opening and
>there she
>> was, sideways to the hill and wedged against a 10" pine with legs
>tucked under
>> the body. Thank You! says I. Out came the knife and after the
>obligatory letting
>> of my own blood to mingle with her's I took care of opening up the
>body cavity
>> and by
>> that time it was way too late to do anything but get to camp.
>>
>> We went in Friday about noon and got the meat out of the woods and
>back to
>> camp. I paced off the shot and wished I could have gotten closer.
>The .60 round
>> ball went in right where I was holding, busted a rib, took out both
>lungs, and
>> going through another rib on the opposite side went into the hill. I
>got a
>> garage full of meat to cut and wrap and Terri is back from church to
>help so
>> will close for now. I remain  most greatfull and humble............
>
>YMOSCapt. Lahti'
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 09:36:24 -0800
>From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I)
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: [e-mail],
>    "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: I'm Back!
>References: <[e-mail]>
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>Tom, Mike, et,al.
>
>Got back about non on Sat. Dead tired and with 1400+ messages on this
>machine!
>Louie and I got a shot at a big cow Elk two sundays back and while I
>was
>reloading, he ran ahead and using his swivel .62 flinter shot at her
>again. He
>apparently hit her and we found blood. The first shot we took at the
>same
>moment but it was a long way out and I was using 90 gr. I don't think
>we hit
>her. His second shot brought blood but not much and by the time she
>went to the
>top of the hill, she got into so many other tracks that we couldn't
>pick her
>out. We looked for quit a while and then ran into Cliff Nole and
>another friend
>and went on. It rained most every day with a couple of days of light
>snow that
>didn't stick well. I had a Honda 4 wheeler to ride out on each day if
>I wanted.
>We would get up at 0530 and hunt until 10, then come back to camp and
>have
>breakfast. We went out again until dark. I usually was in bed by 2000.
>Louie go
>a white tail doe about a week into the hunt and got another shot at a
>cow in a
>group of several but again no blood just a tuft of hair and 2 hours of
>trying
>to figure which set of tracks were hers.
>
>I came back to Lewiston the night before Thanks Giving and we had
>dinner with
>his friends and family at his daughter Brandy's house and then went
>back up on
>the mountain that night. We covered a lot of country in the next few
>days and
>Louie took Mo. through Wed. this week off to stay with me a few more
>days but
>had to go down Wed. It rained all day Wed so hard that we didn't go
>out. Two of
>his buddies and new friends of mine, Jerry and his dad and mom, Bill
>and Noreen
>stayed up but were gona have to leave Thursday. I figured I'd stay as
>long as
>there was some one in camp to help if I got lucky. Over the two weeks
>I got
>real close to several white tail and got the shit scared out of me by
>grouse
>going ballistic at my feet a number of times. There were several moose
>in the
>area we hunted and I walked by them at close range several times. I
>saw a few
>elk from time to time but they never presented me with anything but
>long canyon
>shots or just legs. One day I was walking just off the trail looking
>for a
>place to dump and found a nice private copus of trees. I was just
>about ready
>to lean my gun up when the elk that I had just walked by at about 10'
>decided
>to leave. I saw 3 1/2 legs go through the brush about 20' away and
>aimed at the
>next opening. It never came by and must have turned just enough to
>miss that
>one spot I could have shot.
>
>On Thursday we went up the mountain behind camp with Jerry in the
>little valley
>and Bill and I up on the ridge. I walked out a skid road on Jerry's
>side of the
>ridge and about a mile into the walk passed a white tail at 20'. She
>moved and
>I turned at the sound. I saw her as she went up the hill but just long
>enough
>to know I wasn't seeing elk. I walked out to the end of the skid road
>and
>crossed back over the ridge and went back down the road Bill and I had
>come up
>until I came to an old logging road that went off to the east about
>half way to
>camp. I walked up it until I came to the end and not seeing any fresh
>tracks
>came back down to the next spur going east and started around that
>road as it
>went around another little ridge.
>
>As it came out on the next draw, the ground opened up on a large old
>log deck
>with a nice little meadow beyond. I slowly walked over to the edge of
>the
>grassed over log deck and as I came to the edge I heard a limb break
>on the far
>side. I froze where I was and within moments a big cow elk walked out
>of the
>"Christmas Trees" and stood sideways to me. I found out later that it
>was 112
>long paces from where I was to where her tracks were at that moment. I
>figured
>I didn't have much time so I raised up the .62 flinter from "Chambers"
>off hand
>and picked a sight hold about a foot down from the back and just
>behind the
>shoulder and squeezed off my shot. In two weeks of rain and in about a
>half
>dozen shots to re-clean the gun, This rifle never failed to go off and
>with
>almost instantaneous ignition. She didn't fail me this time and with a
>gentle
>squeeze the ball was on its way.
>
>The smoke cleared quickly and I saw her walk off to the right. I
>reloaded and
>watched an elk go straight up the hill opposite and disappear. I
>walked slowly
>to where my target had been standing and found her tracks. I thought I
>heard a
>quiet bark from above as elk will do to relocate each other. The
>tracks went
>right for a few feet and then turned up the hill and to the left as
>they
>entered the "Christmas Trees". NO blood and no hair! At the first
>couple of fir
>trees at shoulder height to me I saw what I was hoping for, blood on
>both
>limbs. I mumbled a little something to the Great One that this not
>turn out bad
>and started up the blood trail. The hill quickly became almost
>vertical and as
>I followed the trail it was necessary to pull myself up by grabbing
>tree limbs
>and trunks. I think that hill must have been at something like 70+
>degrees of
>slope! About 50' into the climb I looked up through an opening and
>there she
>was, sideways to the hill and wedged against a 10" pine with legs
>tucked under
>the body. Thank You! says I. I took care of opening up the body cavity
>and by
>that time it was way too late to do anything but get to camp.
>
>We went in Friday about noon and got the meat out of the woods and
>back to
>camp. I paced off the shot and wished I could have gotten closer. The
>.60 round
>ball went in right where I was holding, busted a rib, took out both
>lungs, and
>going through another rib on the opposite side went into the hill. I
>got a
>garage full of meat to cut and wrap and Terri is back from church to
>help so
>will close for now.
>
>Talk at you both later,
>
>Your buddy Rog'
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 02:48:26 -0600
From: Jeff Powers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan Replica Clothing Notebook

   >Hello All!
   >. . . just one more thought, this might be a good time, before we
   >get too far along, to suggest starting a notebook on the MtMan
   >replica clothing techniques that we will be covering.  It is a good
   >way to organize your information, adding samples and photographs,

   >and a good reference when you teach younger boys and others later

     I'll spend my money on good Whiskey,but when it comes to clothes
available at 'vos and through the traders,etc. I'll stumble along making my
own any day! Got a suitable notebook and am ready to learn! Thanks for
lesson #1 on rolled hems,its already printed and waiting for more!
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well

I didn't think orange went with purple until I saw the sunset last night

Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Test Drive

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:53:51 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]

Michael,

Thanks Hawk, and congratulations on a successful hunt. Any hunt where you get
out and have a good time like we did is a success but it is sure nice when
you make meat too. Hope the rest of your winter goes as well. From here, I
remain......

YMOS
Capt. Lahti'

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:36:15 -0700
From: "L. A. Romsa" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Harper's Ferry 1851

Howdy all,
 My boss showed me a caplock he has. It looks in good shape. I didn't have =
my specticals so I couldn't read what was on the barrel, but he told me it =
read Harper's Ferry 1851. It looks like a smooth bore or shotgun. It had =
one band and is a halfstock, with no rear sight. Can anyone tell me =
anything about this with the little info I have?
I have "surfed the net" some, but with no success.
Thanks abunch!=20

BrokenJaw

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:51:38 -0800
From: [e-mail] (John C Funk)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw:

Try...."pinchon" or "pincheon"????

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:13:59 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw:

John
I think that is the critter!!!  That is the good news.  The bad news is =
that the 1828 Dictionary didn't list the thing.  Waugh!!
Thanks
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: John C Funk <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw:


>Try...."pinchon" or "pincheon"????
>
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>

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:30:25 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Fabrics 1

Hello Everyone,

    During my research, I have noticed slight inconsistencies in some of the
information regarding authentic clothing construction techniques, for example,
use of french seams, and other things.  A lot of the reason for the confusion,
I believe, is when a particular statement is made it often applies to just one
small isolated region and is incorrectly assumed to be much more widespread.
If you notice an error or have anything to add to what is being said, PLEASE
let us all know.  I, for one, am most anxious to learn the real facts from all
of you.

    I will post my information on fabrics in two posts as it is rather long and
might not work in one post.  At the end I have a few questions for you.  I
hope this information is useful.

    I think this might be a good time to explain that my main focus regarding
sewing is the enjoyment of the crafting process and satisfaction in the
finished product.  There are numerous methods for building and constructing
things, including clothing, and I am very interested in the sewing/engineering
techniques you have invented along the way regarding your sewing experiences.
I am sure there are a lot of neat things I can learn from all of you and I am
interested in hearing all about the way you do things.

FABRICS

    In the interests of  "getting on things" we will fast forward to fabric
options.  We will cover techniques and design and sewing considerations as we
encounter them  along the way.

    In older times clothes were not cut but folded and seamed--no cutting was
involved.  Clothing designs emulated the width of local looms.  The original
homespun cloth was typically woven approximately 28 inches in width.  The
finished shirt after seaming would measure approximately 50 inches around.
The selvages were utilized in the seaming which conveniently addressed the
question of dealing with raveling seam (raw) edges.  The rectangle shirt
offered an efficient system for utilizing the hand woven fabric which resulted
in a very practical, sturdy shirt for everyday wear.

    I have located a good source for ordering historical homespun fabric for your
rectangle shirt if you are looking for, or close to, the real McCoy.  The
information as follows:

Burnley and Townbridge Co.
Angela Burnley, VP
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
e-mail: [e-mail]
address: 108 Druid Drive
              Williamsburg, Virginia 23185
*****Retail mail order company specializing in historic fabrics of the 17th ,
18th, and early 19th century for historic costumes and reenactors.  Large
selection of wool, linen/cotton mixes, as well as all related items for
clothing construction.  Catalog with swatches available for $4.00.

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:37:08 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Michael Pierce)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Harper's Ferry 1851

BROKEN JAW
the lock plate will be marked if it's a harpers ferry and there will be a
eagle on the plate hard to miss if not then it's not a harpers ferry.
you need to look it over again and then I will direct you to where you
might find information about it.  one of the guys on the list sent me
some info on harpers ferry rifle  out of a military reference book that
was quite good.
      "Hawk"
Michael Pierce
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor, florida   34684
1-[phone]     E-MAIL ADDRESS: [e-mail]

On Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:36:15 -0700 "L. A. Romsa"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>Howdy all,
> My boss showed me a caplock he has. It looks in good shape. I didn't
>have =
>my specticals so I couldn't read what was on the barrel, but he told
>me it =
>read Harper's Ferry 1851. It looks like a smooth bore or shotgun. It
>had =
>one band and is a halfstock, with no rear sight. Can anyone tell me =
>anything about this with the little info I have?
>I have "surfed the net" some, but with no success.
>Thanks abunch!=20
>
>BrokenJaw
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:42:40 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Fabrics 2

Here is my second and final post on fabrics:

=09For your first rectangle shirt, you may want to work with common fabric=
s
readily available today and at reasonable cost.  Among the choices are
bleached and unbleached muslin.  If you call around to your local fabric
stores you might be able to locate some muslin in 36 inch widths which mea=
ns
that you have the option of making your garment utilizing the selvages in =
the
seams (no seam finishing necessary!).  Otherwise, muslin is commonly avail=
able
in 45 inch and sometimes 60 inch widths.

=09Possibly closest to original homespun in a modern-day fabric is Osnabur=
g
cloth which should be located along with the muslins at your fabric tradin=
g
post.  Osnaburg is a coarse cotton cloth often made with part waste in it,
plain weave, medium to heavy in weight and resembling crash (are you still
with me?) "Crash" is a coarse fabric having a rough irregular surface obta=
ined
by weaving thick and uneven yarns.  Back to Osnaburg=97it is sometimes use=
d
unbleached for cement, grain and comparable types of containers.  Personal=
ly,
I like the rural, pastoral look of Osnaburg but I prefer to not wear it ne=
xt
to my skin.

=09It is important that you pre wash your yardage exactly as you intend to
launder your finished garment.  Your yardage will likely shrink pretty
extensively with the first few washings.  At least, run it through one
complete laundering cycle before cutting out and sewing your garment. It i=
s a
good idea to purchase some extra fabric to allow for pre wash shrinkage.

=09I always purchase more fabric than I need for a project.  So if you wan=
t too
much fabric I suggest you purchase at least 5 yards or more.  The fabrics
types we are discussing (above mention) can shrink a surprising amount in =
the
length of the goods.

=09Here is something I came across in my research and I thought you might =
be
interested: "Nail" was an archaic unit of measure representing 1/16th of a
yard of fabric (2 and =BC inches).  It is the exact length of a metal nail=
 used
in building=97equivalent to the present-day 7d nail?  The term "nail" was
commonly used as opposed to inches.  As I am thinking about it, nails were
hand forged by a blacksmith=97would that be correct?  Please let me know.
Thanks.

=09I have a couple of questions I hope someone can answer:

If I wear, say a size 10, how many individual skins of braintan would be
required to make a vest, fringed jacket, and a dress (individually)?

Can someone please direct me to the best source of braintan?

What is the best means of cleaning braintan leather without ruining the
texture?

Is braintan purchased by the individual skin or other?

=09Next time I will show you how to draft your own shirt pattern.  Bye for=
 now.

Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
[e-mail]

=09

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Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 12:40:48 -0600
From: Glenn Darilek <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fw:

'Pinchon' or 'pincheon' might have been French word or slang.  But the
closest my tourist French-English dictionary has is
pincon (where the c has the curl under it) which is a bruise or mark
(damaged plew?) or
pince which can mean lobster or crawfish claw.

Iron Burner

Lanney Ratcliff wrote:

> I think that is the critter!!!  That is the good news.  The bad news is that the 1828 Dictionary didn't list the thing.  Waugh!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John C Funk <[e-mail]>
>
> >Try...."pinchon" or "pincheon"????

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