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hist_text-digest Monday, December 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 185
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 19:25:57 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <sean@naplesnet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: concerning 1800's pants
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The best for this is Heritage Clothiers... Rick Haven used to work for =
Williamsburg doing clothing. Their name and address are:
Rick and Susan Haven
Heritage Clothiers
HC1 - Box 386
Crescent City, FL 32112
I have been buying clothes from them for years.... They just moved to =
Florida and don't have a phone as yet. Drop them a line...
Addison Miller
-----Original Message-----
From: David Stahelski <Stahelski@worldnet.att.net>
To: hist_text@xmission.com <hist_text@xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, December 03, 1998 11:55 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: concerning 1800's pants
=20
=20
To whom it may concern,
Sturbridge village employees gave me your e-mail address as a =
possible lead in my search for someone who makes 17th Century styled =
pants.If you are able to be of any service please send a catalogue to;F =
Power 27 Enrico road Bolton CT 06043=20
thankyou,
Flora.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sturbridge village employees gave me your e-mail =
address=20
as a possible lead in my search for someone who makes 17th Century =
styled=20
pants.If you are able to be of any service please send a catalogue =
to;F=20
Power 27 Enrico road Bolton CT 06043 </FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:21:09 -0600
From: Terry Venden <tvenden@etex.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: concerning 1800's pants
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I make pre-1800 clothing. Pants, breeches,dresses, vest, shirts and also
leather garments. Please visit my web site
http://www.geocities.com/~2wolvestrading/
If you know what you want, I'll make it for you. Please feel free to
e-mail or call.
Thanks
Doe Eyes
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David Stahelski wrote:
> To whom it may concern,Sturbridge village employees gave me your
> e-mail address as a possible lead in my search for someone who makes
> 17th Century styled pants.If you are able to be of any service please
> send a catalogue to;F Power 27 Enrico road Bolton CT
> 06043thankyou,Flora.
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I make pre-1800 clothing. Pants, breeches,dresses, vest, shirts and also
leather garments. Please visit my web site <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/~2wolvestrading/">http://www.geocities.com/~2wolvestrading/</A>
<BR>If you know what you want, I'll make it for you. Please feel
free to e-mail or call.
<BR>Thanks
<BR>Doe Eyes
<BR>
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<BR>David Stahelski wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>To whom
it may concern,</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>Sturbridge village employees
gave me your e-mail address as a possible lead in my search for someone
who makes 17th Century styled pants.If you are able to be of any service
please send a catalogue to;F Power 27 Enrico road Bolton CT 06043</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>thankyou,</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1>Flora.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 11:17:06 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
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> Dear Friends and etc.
Back in Jan. my "Hairy Lizard" buddy Louie Lewis invited me to come hunt in a N.
Idaho M/L Elk hunt this Nov. In anticipation I bought and built in Oct. a "Mark
Silver" rifle in .62 cal. flint from Jim Chambers. I got it sighted in with a good
load of 3fff under a .60 round ball and on the 19th of Nov. set off for the
Clearwater Nat. Forest in Idaho.
> For the next two weeks we hunted hard. It rained most every day with a couple of
> days of light snow that didn't stick well. We would get up at 0530 and hunt until
> 10, then come back to camp and have breakfast. We went out again until dark. I
> usually was in my bedroll by 2000. Louie go
> a white tail doe about a week into the hunt and got another shot at a cow in a
> group of several but again no blood just a tuft of hair and 2 hours of trying
> to figure which set of tracks were hers. Cliff Nole of N. Idaho got his elk a
> week into the hunt. There were 5 white tails brought into camp by others in the
> party, even a few grouse.
>
> We came back to Lewiston the night before Thanks Giving and we had dinner with
> Louies friends and family at his daughter Brandy's house and then went back up on
>
> the mountain that night. We covered a lot of country in the next few days and
> Louie took Mo. through Wed. this week off to stay with me a few more days but
> had to go down Wed. It rained all day Wed so hard that we didn't go out. Just
> stayed under cove. Two of his buddies and new friends of mine, Jerry and his dad
> and mom, Bill and Noreen
> stayed up but were gona have to leave Friday. I figured I'd stay as long as
> there was some one in camp to help if I got lucky.
> Over the two weeks I got real close to several white tail and got the shit scared
> out of me by grouse going ballistic at my feet a number of times. There were
> several moose in the
> area we hunted and I walked by them at close range several times. I saw a few
> elk from time to time but they never presented me with anything but long canyon
> shots or just legs. One day I was walking just off the trail looking for a
> place to dump and found a nice private copus of trees. I was just about ready
> to lean my gun up when the elk that I had just walked by at about 10' decided
> to leave. I saw 3 1/2 legs go through the brush about 20' away and aimed at the
> next opening. It never came by and must have turned just enough to miss that
> one spot I could have shot.
>
> On Thursday we went up the mountain behind camp with Jerry in the little valley
> and Bill and I up on the ridge. I walked out a skid road on Jerry's side of the
> ridge and about a mile into the walk passed a white tail at 20'. She moved and
> I turned at the sound. I saw her as she went up the hill but just long enough
> to know I wasn't seeing elk. I walked back out to the end of the skid road and
> crossed back over the ridge and went back down the road Bill and I had come up
> until I came to an old logging road that went off to the east about half way to
> camp. I walked up it until I came to the end and not seeing any fresh tracks
> came back down to the next spur going east and started around that road as it
> went around another little ridge.
>
> As it came out on the next draw, the ground opened up on a large old log deck
> with a nice little meadow beyond. I slowly walked over to the edge of the
> grassed over log deck and as I came to the edge I heard a limb break on the far
> side of the little valley. I froze where I was and within moments a big cow elk
> walked out of the
> "Christmas Trees" and stood sideways to me. I found out later that it was 112
> long paces from where I was to where her tracks were at that moment. I figured
> I didn't have much time so I raised up the .62 flinter from "Chambers" , off
> hand,
> and picked a sight hold about a foot down from the back and just behind the
> shoulder and squeezed off my shot. In two weeks of rain and in about a half
> dozen shots to re-clean the gun, this rifle never failed to go off and with
> almost instantaneous ignition. She didn't fail me this time and with a gentle
> squeeze the ball was on its way.
>
> The smoke cleared quickly and I saw her walk off to the right. I reloaded as I
> watched an elk go straight up the hill opposite and disappear. I walked slowly
> to where my target had been standing and found her tracks. I thought I heard a
> quiet bark from above as elk will do to relocate each other. The tracks went
> to the right for a few feet and then turned up the hill and to the left as they
> entered the "Christmas Trees". No blood and no hair! At the first couple of fir
> trees at shoulder height to me I saw what I was hoping for, blood on both
> trees! I mumbled a little something to the Great One that this not turn out bad
> and started up the blood trail. The hill quickly became almost vertical and as
> I followed the trail it was necessary to pull myself up by grabbing tree limbs
> and trunks. I think that hill must have been at something like 70+ degrees of
> slope! About 50' into the climb I looked up through an opening and there she
> was, sideways to the hill and wedged against a 10" pine with legs tucked under
> the body. Thank You! says I. Out came the knife and after the obligatory letting
> of my own blood to mingle with her's I took care of opening up the body cavity
> and by
> that time it was way too late to do anything but get to camp.
>
> We went in Friday about noon and got the meat out of the woods and back to
> camp. I paced off the shot and wished I could have gotten closer. The .60 round
> ball went in right where I was holding, busted a rib, took out both lungs, and
> going through another rib on the opposite side went into the hill. I got a
> garage full of meat to cut and wrap and Terri is back from church to help so
> will close for now. I remain most greatfull and humble............
YMOSCapt. Lahti'
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 09:36:24 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
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Tom, Mike, et,al.
Got back about non on Sat. Dead tired and with 1400+ messages on this machine!
Louie and I got a shot at a big cow Elk two sundays back and while I was
reloading, he ran ahead and using his swivel .62 flinter shot at her again. He
apparently hit her and we found blood. The first shot we took at the same
moment but it was a long way out and I was using 90 gr. I don't think we hit
her. His second shot brought blood but not much and by the time she went to the
top of the hill, she got into so many other tracks that we couldn't pick her
out. We looked for quit a while and then ran into Cliff Nole and another friend
and went on. It rained most every day with a couple of days of light snow that
didn't stick well. I had a Honda 4 wheeler to ride out on each day if I wanted.
We would get up at 0530 and hunt until 10, then come back to camp and have
breakfast. We went out again until dark. I usually was in bed by 2000. Louie go
a white tail doe about a week into the hunt and got another shot at a cow in a
group of several but again no blood just a tuft of hair and 2 hours of trying
to figure which set of tracks were hers.
I came back to Lewiston the night before Thanks Giving and we had dinner with
his friends and family at his daughter Brandy's house and then went back up on
the mountain that night. We covered a lot of country in the next few days and
Louie took Mo. through Wed. this week off to stay with me a few more days but
had to go down Wed. It rained all day Wed so hard that we didn't go out. Two of
his buddies and new friends of mine, Jerry and his dad and mom, Bill and Noreen
stayed up but were gona have to leave Thursday. I figured I'd stay as long as
there was some one in camp to help if I got lucky. Over the two weeks I got
real close to several white tail and got the shit scared out of me by grouse
going ballistic at my feet a number of times. There were several moose in the
area we hunted and I walked by them at close range several times. I saw a few
elk from time to time but they never presented me with anything but long canyon
shots or just legs. One day I was walking just off the trail looking for a
place to dump and found a nice private copus of trees. I was just about ready
to lean my gun up when the elk that I had just walked by at about 10' decided
to leave. I saw 3 1/2 legs go through the brush about 20' away and aimed at the
next opening. It never came by and must have turned just enough to miss that
one spot I could have shot.
On Thursday we went up the mountain behind camp with Jerry in the little valley
and Bill and I up on the ridge. I walked out a skid road on Jerry's side of the
ridge and about a mile into the walk passed a white tail at 20'. She moved and
I turned at the sound. I saw her as she went up the hill but just long enough
to know I wasn't seeing elk. I walked out to the end of the skid road and
crossed back over the ridge and went back down the road Bill and I had come up
until I came to an old logging road that went off to the east about half way to
camp. I walked up it until I came to the end and not seeing any fresh tracks
came back down to the next spur going east and started around that road as it
went around another little ridge.
As it came out on the next draw, the ground opened up on a large old log deck
with a nice little meadow beyond. I slowly walked over to the edge of the
grassed over log deck and as I came to the edge I heard a limb break on the far
side. I froze where I was and within moments a big cow elk walked out of the
"Christmas Trees" and stood sideways to me. I found out later that it was 112
long paces from where I was to where her tracks were at that moment. I figured
I didn't have much time so I raised up the .62 flinter from "Chambers" off hand
and picked a sight hold about a foot down from the back and just behind the
shoulder and squeezed off my shot. In two weeks of rain and in about a half
dozen shots to re-clean the gun, This rifle never failed to go off and with
almost instantaneous ignition. She didn't fail me this time and with a gentle
squeeze the ball was on its way.
The smoke cleared quickly and I saw her walk off to the right. I reloaded and
watched an elk go straight up the hill opposite and disappear. I walked slowly
to where my target had been standing and found her tracks. I thought I heard a
quiet bark from above as elk will do to relocate each other. The tracks went
right for a few feet and then turned up the hill and to the left as they
entered the "Christmas Trees". NO blood and no hair! At the first couple of fir
trees at shoulder height to me I saw what I was hoping for, blood on both
limbs. I mumbled a little something to the Great One that this not turn out bad
and started up the blood trail. The hill quickly became almost vertical and as
I followed the trail it was necessary to pull myself up by grabbing tree limbs
and trunks. I think that hill must have been at something like 70+ degrees of
slope! About 50' into the climb I looked up through an opening and there she
was, sideways to the hill and wedged against a 10" pine with legs tucked under
the body. Thank You! says I. I took care of opening up the body cavity and by
that time it was way too late to do anything but get to camp.
We went in Friday about noon and got the meat out of the woods and back to
camp. I paced off the shot and wished I could have gotten closer. The .60 round
ball went in right where I was holding, busted a rib, took out both lungs, and
going through another rib on the opposite side went into the hill. I got a
garage full of meat to cut and wrap and Terri is back from church to help so
will close for now.
Talk at you both later,
Your buddy Rog'
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 21:37:23 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
Not bad, Capt., not bad. Some folks know how to have a good time better
than others. I envy you the experience.
YMOS
Lanney
ps: The big pot you made for me (you know the one) continues to garner rave
reviews. Having such a unique piece of equipment is very satisfying.
Thanks again.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
To: Chappell, Gary Pha <ChappelG@mg.sdstate.edu>; Ed Seaton
<EdSeaton@aol.com>; hist_text@lists.xmission.com
<hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; Jeffery Lahti <jdlahti@msn.com>; Joe Ford
<joeford@wsu.edu>; Mike Duncanson <mduncans@orednet.org>; Petrie, Ronald C
<PetrieRC@manilwpob.us-state.gov>; RLINDSEY@webtv.net <RLINDSEY@webtv.net>;
ThisOldFox <mlml@vnet.net>
Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 9:22 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
>
>
>
>
>> Dear Friends and etc.
>
>Back in Jan. my "Hairy Lizard" buddy Louie Lewis invited me to come hunt in
a N.
>Idaho M/L Elk hunt this Nov. In anticipation I bought and built in Oct. a
"Mark
>Silver" rifle in .62 cal. flint from Jim Chambers. I got it sighted in with
a good
>load of 3fff under a .60 round ball and on the 19th of Nov. set off for the
>Clearwater Nat. Forest in Idaho.
>
>> For the next two weeks we hunted hard. It rained most every day with a
couple of
>> days of light snow that didn't stick well. We would get up at 0530 and
hunt until
>> 10, then come back to camp and have breakfast. We went out again until
dark. I
>> usually was in my bedroll by 2000. Louie go
>> a white tail doe about a week into the hunt and got another shot at a cow
in a
>> group of several but again no blood just a tuft of hair and 2 hours of
trying
>> to figure which set of tracks were hers. Cliff Nole of N. Idaho got his
elk a
>> week into the hunt. There were 5 white tails brought into camp by others
in the
>> party, even a few grouse.
>>
>> We came back to Lewiston the night before Thanks Giving and we had dinner
with
>> Louies friends and family at his daughter Brandy's house and then went
back up on
>>
>> the mountain that night. We covered a lot of country in the next few days
and
>> Louie took Mo. through Wed. this week off to stay with me a few more days
but
>> had to go down Wed. It rained all day Wed so hard that we didn't go out.
Just
>> stayed under cove. Two of his buddies and new friends of mine, Jerry and
his dad
>> and mom, Bill and Noreen
>> stayed up but were gona have to leave Friday. I figured I'd stay as long
as
>> there was some one in camp to help if I got lucky.
>
>> Over the two weeks I got real close to several white tail and got the
shit scared
>> out of me by grouse going ballistic at my feet a number of times. There
were
>> several moose in the
>> area we hunted and I walked by them at close range several times. I saw a
few
>> elk from time to time but they never presented me with anything but long
canyon
>> shots or just legs. One day I was walking just off the trail looking for
a
>> place to dump and found a nice private copus of trees. I was just about
ready
>> to lean my gun up when the elk that I had just walked by at about 10'
decided
>> to leave. I saw 3 1/2 legs go through the brush about 20' away and aimed
at the
>> next opening. It never came by and must have turned just enough to miss
that
>> one spot I could have shot.
>>
>> On Thursday we went up the mountain behind camp with Jerry in the little
valley
>> and Bill and I up on the ridge. I walked out a skid road on Jerry's side
of the
>> ridge and about a mile into the walk passed a white tail at 20'. She
moved and
>> I turned at the sound. I saw her as she went up the hill but just long
enough
>> to know I wasn't seeing elk. I walked back out to the end of the skid
road and
>> crossed back over the ridge and went back down the road Bill and I had
come up
>> until I came to an old logging road that went off to the east about half
way to
>> camp. I walked up it until I came to the end and not seeing any fresh
tracks
>> came back down to the next spur going east and started around that road
as it
>> went around another little ridge.
>>
>> As it came out on the next draw, the ground opened up on a large old log
deck
>> with a nice little meadow beyond. I slowly walked over to the edge of the
>> grassed over log deck and as I came to the edge I heard a limb break on
the far
>> side of the little valley. I froze where I was and within moments a big
cow elk
>> walked out of the
>> "Christmas Trees" and stood sideways to me. I found out later that it was
112
>> long paces from where I was to where her tracks were at that moment. I
figured
>> I didn't have much time so I raised up the .62 flinter from "Chambers" ,
off
>> hand,
>> and picked a sight hold about a foot down from the back and just behind
the
>> shoulder and squeezed off my shot. In two weeks of rain and in about a
half
>> dozen shots to re-clean the gun, this rifle never failed to go off and
with
>> almost instantaneous ignition. She didn't fail me this time and with a
gentle
>> squeeze the ball was on its way.
>>
>> The smoke cleared quickly and I saw her walk off to the right. I reloaded
as I
>> watched an elk go straight up the hill opposite and disappear. I walked
slowly
>> to where my target had been standing and found her tracks. I thought I
heard a
>> quiet bark from above as elk will do to relocate each other. The tracks
went
>> to the right for a few feet and then turned up the hill and to the left
as they
>> entered the "Christmas Trees". No blood and no hair! At the first couple
of fir
>> trees at shoulder height to me I saw what I was hoping for, blood on both
>> trees! I mumbled a little something to the Great One that this not turn
out bad
>> and started up the blood trail. The hill quickly became almost vertical
and as
>> I followed the trail it was necessary to pull myself up by grabbing tree
limbs
>> and trunks. I think that hill must have been at something like 70+
degrees of
>> slope! About 50' into the climb I looked up through an opening and there
she
>> was, sideways to the hill and wedged against a 10" pine with legs tucked
under
>> the body. Thank You! says I. Out came the knife and after the obligatory
letting
>> of my own blood to mingle with her's I took care of opening up the body
cavity
>> and by
>> that time it was way too late to do anything but get to camp.
>>
>> We went in Friday about noon and got the meat out of the woods and back
to
>> camp. I paced off the shot and wished I could have gotten closer. The .60
round
>> ball went in right where I was holding, busted a rib, took out both
lungs, and
>> going through another rib on the opposite side went into the hill. I got
a
>> garage full of meat to cut and wrap and Terri is back from church to help
so
>> will close for now. I remain most greatfull and humble............
>
>YMOSCapt. Lahti'
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 19:55:21 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
Lanney,
Thanks for the come back. Glad you are having fun with the pot. Yea, I had a
good time and hope others enjoyed sharing the experience with me. The wife and I
spent today cutting up two front and two rear legs and the freezer is damned
near full! I will start on the main part of the carcase tomorrow, neck, ribs,
loins, etc. Should be some fine eating for the better part of the year. I
remain....
YMOS
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:59:02 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <sean@naplesnet.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
Congrats, Capt'n!! Good shooting... Its always good to hear of someone
filling their tag and makin meat...
Addison Miller
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From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
To: Chappell, Gary Pha <ChappelG@mg.sdstate.edu>; Ed Seaton
<EdSeaton@aol.com>; hist_text@lists.xmission.com
<hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; Jeffery Lahti <jdlahti@msn.com>; Joe Ford
<joeford@wsu.edu>; Mike Duncanson <mduncans@orednet.org>; Petrie, Ronald C
<PetrieRC@manilwpob.us-state.gov>; RLINDSEY@webtv.net <RLINDSEY@webtv.net>;
ThisOldFox <mlml@vnet.net>
Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 10:23 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
>
>
>
>
>> Dear Friends and etc.
>
>Back in Jan. my "Hairy Lizard" buddy Louie Lewis invited me to come hunt in
a N.
>Idaho M/L Elk hunt this Nov. In anticipation I bought and built in Oct. a
"Mark
>Silver" rifle in .62 cal. flint from Jim Chambers. I got it sighted in with
a good
>load of 3fff under a .60 round ball and on the 19th of Nov. set off for the
>Clearwater Nat. Forest in Idaho.
>
>> For the next two weeks we hunted hard. It rained most every day with a
couple of
>> days of light snow that didn't stick well. We would get up at 0530 and
hunt until
>> 10, then come back to camp and have breakfast. We went out again until
dark. I
>> usually was in my bedroll by 2000. Louie go
>> a white tail doe about a week into the hunt and got another shot at a cow
in a
>> group of several but again no blood just a tuft of hair and 2 hours of
trying
>> to figure which set of tracks were hers. Cliff Nole of N. Idaho got his
elk a
>> week into the hunt. There were 5 white tails brought into camp by others
in the
>> party, even a few grouse.
>>
>> We came back to Lewiston the night before Thanks Giving and we had dinner
with
>> Louies friends and family at his daughter Brandy's house and then went
back up on
>>
>> the mountain that night. We covered a lot of country in the next few days
and
>> Louie took Mo. through Wed. this week off to stay with me a few more days
but
>> had to go down Wed. It rained all day Wed so hard that we didn't go out.
Just
>> stayed under cove. Two of his buddies and new friends of mine, Jerry and
his dad
>> and mom, Bill and Noreen
>> stayed up but were gona have to leave Friday. I figured I'd stay as long
as
>> there was some one in camp to help if I got lucky.
>
>> Over the two weeks I got real close to several white tail and got the
shit scared
>> out of me by grouse going ballistic at my feet a number of times. There
were
>> several moose in the
>> area we hunted and I walked by them at close range several times. I saw a
few
>> elk from time to time but they never presented me with anything but long
canyon
>> shots or just legs. One day I was walking just off the trail looking for
a
>> place to dump and found a nice private copus of trees. I was just about
ready
>> to lean my gun up when the elk that I had just walked by at about 10'
decided
>> to leave. I saw 3 1/2 legs go through the brush about 20' away and aimed
at the
>> next opening. It never came by and must have turned just enough to miss
that
>> one spot I could have shot.
>>
>> On Thursday we went up the mountain behind camp with Jerry in the little
valley
>> and Bill and I up on the ridge. I walked out a skid road on Jerry's side
of the
>> ridge and about a mile into the walk passed a white tail at 20'. She
moved and
>> I turned at the sound. I saw her as she went up the hill but just long
enough
>> to know I wasn't seeing elk. I walked back out to the end of the skid
road and
>> crossed back over the ridge and went back down the road Bill and I had
come up
>> until I came to an old logging road that went off to the east about half
way to
>> camp. I walked up it until I came to the end and not seeing any fresh
tracks
>> came back down to the next spur going east and started around that road
as it
>> went around another little ridge.
>>
>> As it came out on the next draw, the ground opened up on a large old log
deck
>> with a nice little meadow beyond. I slowly walked over to the edge of the
>> grassed over log deck and as I came to the edge I heard a limb break on
the far
>> side of the little valley. I froze where I was and within moments a big
cow elk
>> walked out of the
>> "Christmas Trees" and stood sideways to me. I found out later that it was
112
>> long paces from where I was to where her tracks were at that moment. I
figured
>> I didn't have much time so I raised up the .62 flinter from "Chambers" ,
off
>> hand,
>> and picked a sight hold about a foot down from the back and just behind
the
>> shoulder and squeezed off my shot. In two weeks of rain and in about a
half
>> dozen shots to re-clean the gun, this rifle never failed to go off and
with
>> almost instantaneous ignition. She didn't fail me this time and with a
gentle
>> squeeze the ball was on its way.
>>
>> The smoke cleared quickly and I saw her walk off to the right. I reloaded
as I
>> watched an elk go straight up the hill opposite and disappear. I walked
slowly
>> to where my target had been standing and found her tracks. I thought I
heard a
>> quiet bark from above as elk will do to relocate each other. The tracks
went
>> to the right for a few feet and then turned up the hill and to the left
as they
>> entered the "Christmas Trees". No blood and no hair! At the first couple
of fir
>> trees at shoulder height to me I saw what I was hoping for, blood on both
>> trees! I mumbled a little something to the Great One that this not turn
out bad
>> and started up the blood trail. The hill quickly became almost vertical
and as
>> I followed the trail it was necessary to pull myself up by grabbing tree
limbs
>> and trunks. I think that hill must have been at something like 70+
degrees of
>> slope! About 50' into the climb I looked up through an opening and there
she
>> was, sideways to the hill and wedged against a 10" pine with legs tucked
under
>> the body. Thank You! says I. Out came the knife and after the obligatory
letting
>> of my own blood to mingle with her's I took care of opening up the body
cavity
>> and by
>> that time it was way too late to do anything but get to camp.
>>
>> We went in Friday about noon and got the meat out of the woods and back
to
>> camp. I paced off the shot and wished I could have gotten closer. The .60
round
>> ball went in right where I was holding, busted a rib, took out both
lungs, and
>> going through another rib on the opposite side went into the hill. I got
a
>> garage full of meat to cut and wrap and Terri is back from church to help
so
>> will close for now. I remain most greatfull and humble............
>
>YMOSCapt. Lahti'
>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 23:09:04 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
Roger Lahti wrote:
>
> Lanney,
>
> Thanks for the come back. Glad you are having fun with the pot. Yea, I had a
> good time and hope others enjoyed sharing the experience with me. The wife and I
> spent today cutting up two front and two rear legs and the freezer is damned
> near full! I will start on the main part of the carcase tomorrow, neck, ribs,
> loins, etc. Should be some fine eating for the better part of the year. I
> remain....
Ahhhh.....and that's the best part! Elk is so good eating! 'Glad you
had a fine trip, and success!
Fred
- --
"Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:07:38 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
Thanks Brother, spending two weeks in the mountains of N. Idaho hunting elk was
a tough job but some one had to do it and I am glad it was me. I remain.........
YMOS+dog tired
Capt. Lahti'
Addison Miller wrote:
> Congrats, Capt'n!! Good shooting... Its always good to hear of someone
> filling their tag and makin meat...
>
> Addison Miller
> -----
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Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 20:15:30 -0800
From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: [Fwd: I'm Back!]
Your right there Fred and it has been a bit of a dry spell. Thanks. I remain.....
Full of elk meat!
Fred A. Miller wrote:
> Roger Lahti wrote:
> >
> > Lanney,
> >
> > Thanks for the come back. Glad you are having fun with the pot. Yea, I had a
> > good time and hope others enjoyed sharing the experience with me. The wife and I
> > spent today cutting up two front and two rear legs and the freezer is damned
> > near full! I will start on the main part of the carcase tomorrow, neck, ribs,
> > loins, etc. Should be some fine eating for the better part of the year. I
> > remain....
>
> Ahhhh.....and that's the best part! Elk is so good eating! 'Glad you
> had a fine trip, and success!
>
> Fred
>
> --
> "Slicker 'n Willie Lube".......and that's doin some!
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:26:36 EST
From: Amoore2120@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Hand rolled-hem reply, 1
In a message dated 12/5/98 8:37:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, kestrel@ticon=
.net
writes:
<< Andrea, Please explain "roll-hemmed",how is it done etc.? I think I
understand the whipped together part well enough,but then got lost with
roll-hemmed.
Thanks,
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well >>
Dear Jeff and others,
=09A bit of introductory information on hand needles, I believe, might pro=
vide
some useful background information for success in hand sewing and for lear=
ning
the hand stitched rolled hem. The many types of needles that are made for
hand sewing are each designed for a specific purpose. Generally, a needle
should be fine enough to slip through fabric, yet heavy enough not to bend=
or
break. Always work with a clean, well-pointed needle. When choosing=97th=
e
larger the number, the shorter and finer the needle.
=09For most hand sewing tasks, I suggest a hand sewing needle type called
"Sharps" (sizes 1-12). They are medium in length with a rounded eye and a=
re
suitable for almost all fabric weights. Purchase only highest quality han=
d
needles. Good quality hand needles will last you a lifetime and those of
cheap quality will cause you incessant grief and frustration. Look for fi=
ne
quality Milward English needles sold in sewing supply stores or catalogs.
=09My next post will answer the hand rolled hem query.
Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer Sewing Design Company
Amoore2120@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 11:41:46 EST
From: Amoore2120@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Hand rolled-hem reply, 2
In a message dated 12/5/98 8:37:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, kestrel@ticon=
.net
writes:
<< Andrea, Please explain "roll-hemmed",how is it done etc.? I think I
understand the whipped together part well enough,but then got lost with
roll-hemmed.
Thanks,
Jeff Powers,Rogue & Ne'er do Well >>
=09HAND STITCHED ROLLED HEM
=09Devising a means that will keep the fabric edge taut during hemming see=
ms to
greatly assist in the process. When hemming at home, I like to sit at the=
end
of the sofa and use the arm as a pin cushion hemming clamp, holding the fa=
bric
edge taut while I hem. To further explain: pin the fabric edge to the cou=
ch
arm and hold the fabric with the left hand approximately 6 inch to 10 inch=
es
away. This allows the right hand to stitch the rolled hem quickly and eve=
nly.
During the nineteenth century needle workers had hemming clamps which held=
the
fabric firmly at one end. You can buy reproduction third-hand clamps.
=09Select a very fine needle (size 10) and extra fine thread. I like to u=
se
cotton machine embroidery thread which is readily available but fine linen
thread is probably more authentic. Another option is to separate the plie=
s of
a piece of embroidery floss or other. Approximately 18 inches is a conven=
ient
sewing thread length. To prevent tangling, knotting and curling of the
thread, draw the entire length of thread through a chunk of bees wax three
times. Next heat the length of thread with a hot iron or other means to m=
elt
away small wax lumps and to completely permeate the thread with the wax.
This will not only make your hand sewing easier but will also permanently
strengthen the thread.
=09Next, sew a close running stitch about =BD inch from the raw edge. Thi=
s will
stabilize the raw edge and serve as a guide for an even, straight hem.
RUNNING STITCH
=09Running stitches should be very short (as short as is humanly possible)=
.
Proceed by working the point of the needle up and down through the fabric
layer taking up several stitches before pulling the needle through.
=09Or you can cheat (like I do) and machine sew the straight stitch (1/2 i=
nch
from raw edge). The stitches will be completely covered by the rolled hem=
and
I believe this means provides a more stable edge than the hand stitching.
However, to be totally authentic, all stitching must be hand done.
=09Next, carefully trim close to the stitched line. To avoid fraying, tri=
m off
only about 8 inches to 10 inches at a time. Hide the knot within the roll=
.
With wrong side up, roll the trimmed edge between your thumb and forefinge=
r to
enclose the stitched line. For a tighter roll moisten before rolling. Ho=
ld
the rolled edge firmly over your forefinger between your thumb and middle
finger. Hem the trimmed edge using a small overcast stitch.
HAND OVERCAST STITCH
=09Using tiny stitches take up just one or two yarns (the threads used in =
making
yardage are called yarns), pulling the thread completely through after eac=
h
stitch.
=09Continue to trim and hem until the edge is finished. To avoid pressing=
the
hem flat, press only up to (against) the hem roll as the desired end resul=
t is
a small, firm and round hem.
=09Next time I will discuss the hand overcast stitch which is an easier an=
d
quicker seam edge finish. We will also discuss homespun fabric sources an=
d
some interesting rectangular shirt history--must be running along for now.
Please let me know if you have questions.
=09Oh, I almost forgot, if any of you are interested, I am a regular autho=
r in
Threads magazine. Taunton Press put my recent article on their internet s=
ite
if you would like to take a look at:
http://www.taunton.com/th/features/techniques/33soup.h
Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer Sewing Design Company
Amoore2120@aol.com
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