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hist_text-digest      Thursday, November 26 1998      Volume 01 : Number 181




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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 17:43:32 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Women and the AMM

Thank you, well said.
- ----------------------------
- -----Original Message-----
From: Longtrail <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Women and the AMM


>
>
>I am a 47 year old female who has been "affiliated" with AMM since the late
>70's
>The American Mountain Man association is a MEN ONLY organization.    As far
>as membership goes.
>As far as the participation of women in the group, I have found that most
>of the men welcome women to participate in rendezvous.
>Women are encouraged to send articles for the Tomahawk and Longrifle.
>Can participate in raffles as well as donate prizes.
>Are respected for their abilities and hard work.
>As far as going up in rank?  Well it is all a matter of a woman's state of
>mind.  I feel that I can "get on the ground" or do just about anything
>required a man to do.  Most men who know me also have as much confidence in
>me.  Can I set a primitive camp?  YOu bet.  Accoutrements ok?  Yep.  Trap a
>beaver? Sure
>Shoot a deer with a flintlock, gut it, strip it and dry it? Certainly.
>Several years ago a young woman  who had also been affiliated with the
>group via her father, tried to force her way into the group.  A "equality"
>trip if you will.
>I couldn't help but realize that even thought she may had been affifiated
>with the group for many years she hadn't seen the spirit of the group.  She
>hadn't a clue as to the beauty of the group.  The naturalness of the men
>only theme.  She hadn't learned to respect the men and what they wanted.
>I have seen the spirit of the group, and I respect the group and feel it
>should always continue a men only group.
>
>              Nuffsaid                   Ltsb.
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:17:45 -0800 (PST)
From: zaslow <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing

Andrea,

You are probably looking at a diverse range of people here.  Many like me,
choose to make most or all of their clothes.  I have hand sewn all my pairs
of pants, my jacket, shooting bags, belt, most of my moccasins, and some of
my cloth shirts (the others were hand sewn by other people.)  I have made a
few guns, but that is not my area of expertise.  I wouldn't even attempt to
make my saddle and tack (which is period correct, but made by others.)

There are others who make a few things and there are still many others who
have little or no skill at making things and buy everything.  Unfortunately,
there is no definitive answer.

Hope that helps,

Best Regards,

Jerry (Meriwether) Zaslow #1488

________________________________________________________________________________

At 02:51 PM 11/24/98 EST, you wrote:
>    . . . just curious, do the majority of present day MtMen sew or purchase your
>replica MtMan clothing?  Which pieces, specifically, do you sew and/or
>regularly purchase?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Regards,
>Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
>[e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:07:16 +0000
From: [e-mail] (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing

Andrea, Is this a marketing survey?  <s>  I am an ametuer seamster.  I
have made pants, coats, undergarments, mocassins, etc....  My wife makes
some of my shirts, Most I purchase.  A lot of the AMM members, general
buckskinners, and reenactors purchase quality clothing from many
different sources.  There is a niche market for quality period clothing.
I wish I had the time to make all of my clothing, but I don't, so I
purchase some of it when it is quality and affordable.  Hope this
helps....      Hardtack

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 08:42:43 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing

I am not an AMM member, but I shall answer anyway... *grin*

I have been doing Ronnys and period reenactments (1700-1840) for about 8
years.  Some of my clothing I have made (pants, mocs, ghillies [highland
shoes], a fur vest, etc...) but most I have bought.  My sewing abilities are
not that great, and when it comesto shirts, capotes, "dress" clothing, I
want them done right, so I buy them.... More costly, but at least it looks
good... :))

Addison Miller
aka SeanBear
- -----Original Message-----
From: RANDAL J BUBLITZ <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing


>Andrea, Is this a marketing survey?  <s>  I am an ametuer seamster.  I
>have made pants, coats, undergarments, mocassins, etc....  My wife makes
>some of my shirts, Most I purchase.  A lot of the AMM members, general
>buckskinners, and reenactors purchase quality clothing from many
>different sources.  There is a niche market for quality period clothing.
>I wish I had the time to make all of my clothing, but I don't, so I
>purchase some of it when it is quality and affordable.  Hope this
>helps....      Hardtack
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 12:08:36 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing

In a message dated 11/24/98 9:25:32 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Andrea, Is this a marketing survey? >>

Dear Hardtack and others,

    No (above mention) and I apologize for not having explained my intentions
when I first posted my query.  Thank you for asking.

    If a lot of members would sew their own MtMan clothing gear if they had the
necessary sewing skills or if those who are presently sewing could stand for a
little support, I might be able to help you as I have a heavy background in
sewing.  If it turns out that the interest or need just isn't there, I want to
know that too.

    Also, I have been researching original MtMans clothing and have been
impressed with my findings.  Amongst other things, I work as a sewing author.
At some point I might be interested in letting some of the rest of the world
in on the great MtMan's clothing tailored from fine sumptuous fabrics
(braintan leather, wool blankets, etc.).  I would do this only with approval
from all of you.  It would help me a lot if you could please write and let me
know what you think of this idea.

    I have the deepest respect for the MtMan culture, both past and present.  If
I can be of assistance to you in the area of sewing, I am happy to look into
it.  If you are interested in sharing some of your rich sewing history with
others, I am happy to explore that possibility also.

    I am looking forward to hearing from all/each of you regarding the above
mention topics.  Thanks to all.

Best regards from rainy Spokane where I am keeping my powder dry,
Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer    Sewing Design Company
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 15:33:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer hunting

Hey Joe,
You got any more buffalo hides layin around? I gotta have some thing you might
want to trade for!

Steve

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 16:01:48 -0600
From: "S.M.Despain-1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: AMM membership/ Response to Tim Austin

WIDD-Tim Austin (WIDD-Tim Austin) wrote:
>
> Women are not allowed to become members in the AMM.
>
> We are not a politically correct group, and I am amazed that you would
> even ask, as the organization that you are currently part of is trying hard
> to be very politically correct, however, their recent firing of the football
> coach shows they only want things done politically correct at the time
> and place they want them, not for all cases and all occasions.  This is
> also our choice and we choose not to allow women members.
>
> Thank you.


Thanks for your vituperate response.  You assume I must be required to
know fully about an organization I have no part of (the AMM).  My
question should reveals otherwise, and I was simply asking it to clear a
point of fact, one way or the other, politically correct or not I could
care less.  You also assume that I, a student, have some omnipotent
control of the University of Oklahoma's policies and it's football
program (both of which I could care less about).  Sorry for wrankling
your feathers.  From now on I won't ask any more questions of
clarification about the AMM for my research and writings, I'll just make
it up as I go.

Thanks

Matt Despain
University of Oklahoma

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:20:34 -0800
From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate?

if you got a ten dollar head put a ten dollar hat on it. not me ill make a
wooden beak and peck with the chicken first quality not quantity.   iron
tongue

michael pierce wrote:

> longwalker please send me one of the same awards---
> HAWK
> MICHAEL PIERCE
> 1-813-771-1815
> E-MAIL ADDRESS==[e-mail]
>
> On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:58:18 -0600 Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
> writes:
> >Washtahay-
> >some time back I wrote:
> >>   >Whoopee.  If the potential owner would pick up a part-time job
> >and
> >>   >wait til he had worked 40 hours at minimum wage, he could have
> >>   >gotten a decent gun.
> >>   >LongWalker c. du B.
> >
> >And at 11:17 AM 11/10/98 -0600, someone wrote:
> >>WELL NOW ARE WE TO BECOME THE ELITIST BASTARDS THAT DO NOT WANT NEW
> >COMMERS
> >>TO JOIN?
> >       Hmmm...if being an elitist bastard means not wanting to shoot
> >next to
> >folks with guns with hammers that creep and fire from half- or
> >full-cock
> >(seen at Cabelas) or guns with gas leaks at the breech (a CVA
> >"Squirrel
> >Rifle" I bought for my then new bride) or nipples that blow out in to
> >space
> >when fired (Lyman GPR, summer of '95, a couple T/Cs I have seen over
> >the
> >years) then yes, I want to be considered an "elitist bastard".  Having
> >been
> >born a bastard, I had a head start-some might consider it an unfair
> >advantage.
> >       So come on all, be an elitist bastard with me!  You will be
> >expected to
> >throw your shop open to folks who bought those less-than-satisfactory
> >guns,
> >to help repair them, and to teach their new owners the rules of
> >firearms
> >safety.  Your shop may well become the place new folks turn when they
> >realize the only way they can afford a good gun (by their standards)
> >is to
> >build one, buying parts as they can afford them-this may mean your
> >dining
> >room, like mine, will have 6 rifles in various stages of cunstruction
> >standing against the bookshelves.  It will mean teaching folks skills
> >from
> >tracking that deer they hit but didn't put down to tanning the hide to
> >how
> >to cook over an open fire.  It means being the same thing to the new
> >guys
> >today as it meant to the folks who got me started were to me.
> >Frankly, I
> >figure its a debt I owe.
> >
> >>its time a few wake up and realize that as you said,"pick up a
> >>parttime job at minimum wage..." In my real life I commute 2 hours
> >each
> >>way,for a hell of a lot more than min.wage.
> >       That's nice.  I have one full time job an hour east of here
> >and another
> >full time job an hour west of here.  So what?  If it meant the
> >difference
> >between compromising or getting what I want, I will find a way.  If
> >that
> >means I spend my day off every week working in a gas station for a
> >couple
> >months, I do it.   I guess some folks value their TV time more than
> >others.
> >
> >>Nothing but an original is
> >>truely authenic,but give the new commers a chance.
> >       Back when I was getting started, I saw a guy wrap a CVA
> >Kentucky around a
> >tree.  Turns out he had spent the whole summer trying to get the thing
> >to
> >work.  I don't want the new guys of today to have to deal with that.
> >I'm
> >trying to give the new comers a chance to get started without the
> >added
> >handicap of a defective rifle.  Sorry that seems unreasonable to you.
> >
> >
> >> My first muzzleloader was a CVA(still have
> >>it,still shoots straight,and I  killed 9 deer with it)
> >       My last CVA is the "Squirrel Rifle" that turned my ex-wife off
> >shooting.
> >Something about the way smoke came out from under the lockplate...
> >According to CVA, all I had to do was buy a new barrel-at a cost equal
> >to
> >the cost of the gun-to fix a manufacturer's defect.  Seems easier to
> >just
> >avoid the crap in the first place.
> >
> >> So lets not give a
> >>newcommer a hard time because he cannot afford a custom gun(in time
> >he will
> >>find a way to get one any way!)lets welcome him and help educate.
> >       You seem to have the mistaken notion that my dislike of poor
> >quality guns
> >extends to their owners.  This is not the case.  But I am not going to
> >lie
> >and tell someone their gun is authentic in appearance when it isn't,
> >or say
> >it is safe when its not.  If someone is going to buy a sub-$300
> >production
> >rifle, at least let him buy one that won't injure him or someone else.
> >
> >
> >LongWalker c. du B. and elitist bastard
> >(I'd like to thank the Academy...I've always aspired to this
> >award...I'll
> >do my best to live up to my understanding of what this means to me...I
> >never thought I'd receive this title so early in life...)
> >
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:15:01 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapper Joke

IT WAS GETTING A LITTLE TOO SERIOUS, SO I THOUGHT I'D THROW THIS IN:

Two mountain trappers came into town after spending months in the wilderness.
After the owner of the trading post paid them for the furs, they asked the
obvious question.  "Oh no," said the storekeeper, "ain't no females within a
thousand miles,
but I tell you what we do around here."  He reached under the counter and
pulled out two specially made boards and handed them to the trappers.  Each of
the padded boards had a fur lined hole in it with a soft leather bag on the
other side.  "We've got a carpenter around here who builds these things. And
believe me, they'll do the trick until you guys find the real thing.  Just
keep the fur clean and keep that bag full of warm bear grease and you'll do
just fine."   The two men paid for their boards and went back to the frontier.
Months later, one of the trappers came back for supplies.  "Where's your
friend?" asked the old storekeeper.   "Oh, him?" replied the trapper, "I had
to shoot him.  You see, I came back to the camp a little early one night and
caught that S.O.B. with my board."           YHS, Shootz Himsefl

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 18:01:30 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing

I have always sewed my own leather clothing, due to the relative courseness
of stitching and a general desire to get on with it. I have so far purchased
all my wool and linen garments (shirts and capotes).
  At the risk of covering ground you may be familiar with, one reason I do
my own leather clothes is to gain more control over where the thick and thin
parts of each hide get used. I also select hides carefully to avoid cuts or
damage in the critical wear areas. In addition to the adage "wear the hide
in the direction the original owner wore it", I have found that putting the
thick parts on the wear points (seat, front of knees, etc) and the thin
parts on the bending parts (back of knees, elbows) gives a more comfortable
and serviceable garment, although it sometimes precludes using every square
inch of a hide. The legs of pants seem to work out pretty well by running
the deer's spine (thicker part) down the front of the legs, wrapping the
thinner part behind the knee, and somehow, I've managed to pull a thick part
of the shoulder around to the seat, or used a separate, thick part. It is
distressing to have a garment give way prematurely because of a thin or
damaged spot in a critical area.
   I'll tell you what -- it may seem mundane, but I have trouble finding
good, serviceable moccasins and durable ones are fairly hard to make. I
gather that mocassins were fairly expendable in the old days, but the
pattern still matters, in how it keeps out stones and sand, etc.
Pat Quilter

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:52 AM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing


    . . . just curious, do the majority of present day MtMen sew or
purchase your
replica MtMan clothing?  Which pieces, specifically, do you sew and/or
regularly purchase?

Thank you.

Regards,
Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 19:05:19 -0800
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing

As a relatively new buckskinner I started out buying my skins, cotton shirts,
capote and shooting bag.  Immediately I began to alter the shooting bag to my
personal needs and look at my skins thinking I wish this or that was different.
For the most part I think I had to buy these "first" items to get started but
now look forward to making replacements for all but the capote.  I fault no man
for buying his equipment but now realize there is so much more pleasure in
owning and using items you made yourself.  Perhaps it's a natural progression as
each person reaches his or her own depth of commitment?  Some aspire to a "pure"
experience and others to a "weekend" experience.  Both are perfectly acceptable
and at the same time diametrically opposed all the while sharing varying amounts
of common ground.  All that to say...to each his own!  I'd do things differently
if I was starting out again, but then again, I wouldn't know that if I hadn't
done things the way I did!

Medicine Bear


> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:52 AM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing
>
>         . . . just curious, do the majority of present day MtMen sew or
> purchase your
> replica MtMan clothing?  Which pieces, specifically, do you sew and/or
> regularly purchase?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
> [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 20:54:31 +0000
From: [e-mail] (RANDAL J BUBLITZ)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing

Andrea,  My old roommate nicknamed me  " Samuri Seamstress"- this was a
statement about my crude abilities, etc...  My technique has improved
over the years, but I still put my seams inside so no one will see them.
My mother- in - law gave an 1870's Treadle sewing machine, which I
learned to use.  I wish that there were more 'period'  patterens
available.  It would be great if there were more sources for Mtn. Man
clothing patterns.  I know I would benefit from related sewing tips,
etc...  Are you thinking of writing articles?   That would be of benefit
to many of us.  My  'marketing'  wise crack was just that, hence the <s>
(smile).  Keep in touch.        Hardtack

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:08:34 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM membership/ Response to Tim Austin

matt,
       contact me off line,about amm membership .
                      [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:38:05 -0600
From: "Larry R. Weisz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Holiday wishs

Have a happy and bountiful Thanks Giving. To those getting to hunt this
weekend be safe and good shooting.
Littlehawk (one of the lurkers)

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:26:37 -0700
From: Longtrail <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer hunting

>Hey Joe,
>You got any more buffalo hides layin around? I gotta have some thing you might
>want to trade for!
>
>Steve

Steve, I am having a memory lapse.  Can't recall discussing buffalo hides
with anyone.
Can give you the name of a friend who deals in buffalo hides.
Larry Belitz     605-745-3902
                        Joe

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:39:54 -0700
From: Longtrail <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer hunting

>>Hey Joe,
>>You got any more buffalo hides layin around? I gotta have some thing you
>>might
>>want to trade for!
>>
>>Steve
>
>Steve, I am having a memory lapse.  Can't recall discussing buffalo hides
>with anyone.
>Can give you the name of a friend who deals in buffalo hides.
>Larry Belitz     605-745-3902
>                        Joe

Sorry for the mistake in sending this to the history site.  We realized
when it came back so soon that Steve must be addressing another Joe.
Sorry    Joe & Longtrail

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:26:32 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing

I forgot to say earlier that I do make most of my "furnishings" for the
camp.. bed, cook box, boxes, etc...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Frank <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing


>
>As a relatively new buckskinner I started out buying my skins, cotton
shirts,
>capote and shooting bag.  Immediately I began to alter the shooting bag to
my
>personal needs and look at my skins thinking I wish this or that was
different.
>For the most part I think I had to buy these "first" items to get started
but
>now look forward to making replacements for all but the capote.  I fault no
man
>for buying his equipment but now realize there is so much more pleasure in
>owning and using items you made yourself.  Perhaps it's a natural
progression as
>each person reaches his or her own depth of commitment?  Some aspire to a
"pure"
>experience and others to a "weekend" experience.  Both are perfectly
acceptable
>and at the same time diametrically opposed all the while sharing varying
amounts
>of common ground.  All that to say...to each his own!  I'd do things
differently
>if I was starting out again, but then again, I wouldn't know that if I
hadn't
>done things the way I did!
>
>Medicine Bear
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:52 AM
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: MtMan-List: MtMan clothing
>>
>>         . . . just curious, do the majority of present day MtMen sew or
>> purchase your
>> replica MtMan clothing?  Which pieces, specifically, do you sew and/or
>> regularly purchase?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea Moore, Sewing Designer   Sewing Design Company
>> [e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 11:16:56 -0500
From: "John L. Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnston Reburial

Matt,

The reburial of the old liver-eater was at Trail Town, a collection of
historial Wyoming buildings on the edge of Cody, Wyoming. There are several
other mountain men monuments there, including one for John Colter (no, he
isn't buried there--just a monument since he was the first white man to
visit the town site of Cody). Trail Town doesn't have a website that I could
locate, but their address is: Trail Town, 1831 Demaris Drive, Cody, Wyoming
82414. The phone number is [phone]. The owner-operator of Trail Town
is an archaeologist named Bob Edgar. He is a delightful guy, very
knowledgeable about mountain men and western history in general. If you
contact him directly with your request, I'll bet he would be able to help
you.

Good hunting.

John

Dr. John L. Allen
21 Thomas Drive
Storrs, CT 06268
860/487-1346
[e-mail]


- ----- Original Message -----
From: S.M.Despain-1 <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 2:07 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnston Reburial


>A couple months ago there was discussion about Johnston and his reburial
>at Cody, Wyo.  There were mentions of some articles done on it in T &
>LR.  If anyone has citations or could run me copies of these articles I
>would gladley pay copy and mailing costs.  Also, there was mention that
>the AMM, who I belive was heavily involved in the reburial, put out a
>pamphlet on the event.  If this is true I would be interested in a copy
>of this document too.  If anyone can help me with these I would be
>greatful.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Matt Despain
>University of Oklahoma
>[e-mail]
>

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 08:39:18 -0800
From: "Jerry H. Wheeler" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapper Joke

mister this kind of trash does not belong on this list.        iron tongue

[e-mail] wrote:

> IT WAS GETTING A LITTLE TOO SERIOUS, SO I THOUGHT I'D THROW THIS IN:
>
> Two mountain trappers came into town after spending months in the wilderness.
> After the owner of the trading post paid them for the furs, they asked the
> obvious question.  "Oh no," said the storekeeper, "ain't no females within a
> thousand miles,
> but I tell you what we do around here."  He reached under the counter and
> pulled out two specially made boards and handed them to the trappers.  Each of
> the padded boards had a fur lined hole in it with a soft leather bag on the
> other side.  "We've got a carpenter around here who builds these things. And
> believe me, they'll do the trick until you guys find the real thing.  Just
> keep the fur clean and keep that bag full of warm bear grease and you'll do
> just fine."   The two men paid for their boards and went back to the frontier.
> Months later, one of the trappers came back for supplies.  "Where's your
> friend?" asked the old storekeeper.   "Oh, him?" replied the trapper, "I had
> to shoot him.  You see, I came back to the camp a little early one night and
> caught that S.O.B. with my board."           YHS, Shootz Himsefl

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 12:33:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer hunting

In a message dated 11/26/98 7:24:42 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Steve, I am having a memory lapse.  Can't recall discussing buffalo hides
with anyone.>>

You mentioned that you traded a buffalo robe for a gun..... just kinda wishin
ya had more laying around....

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 10:51:37 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Deer hunting

I do have several buffalo robes still available, range from $300 to $900
What did you have in mind
Joe

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 14:40:28 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Trapper Joke

Jerry (and the rest of the list), Please forgive me if I offended you.  I was
just throwing in a little humor to lighten things up after the serious tyrade
unloaded against Matt, who was merely asking a simple question about AMM
membership. I would agree that BOTH were out of place, and rest assured, I
shall make no further attempts to humor this list.  Shootz Himself

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Date: Thu, 26 Nov 1998 09:17:05 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: New Wooden Barrels

I am looking for a source (economical) of new wooden barrels for a display,
sized from small to large.

Do you have any idea where to look?

Mike Hoyt

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 14:11:37 +0000
From: Jennifer & Bill Lynch <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: howdy

howdy,
i came across your tracks on the internet and was hopin' you wouldn't
mind me askin a question. i try to be as historically accurate as
possible towards the early "american" fur trade era. outta fort osage
missouri and all. i was lookin for a gun that would overall flexibilty
when it came to time periods. i recently acquired a second model brown
bess, for price and because after my research i felt it was probably the
most common and practical (cuz i hunt varmints that walk and fly). i
figured the bess would have been used by trappers during the turn of the
century and well on into the brief "heyday". the only absolute
documentation i have is of manuel lisa carryin' one up the missouri. but
of course the war of 1812 brought alot of these smoothebores into the
northern rockies too. but ya sure don't hear much about 'em at
rendezveous. i'm very aware of the popularity of the northwest trade gun
and heard it may even predate the bess. i guess i'm just wonderin' if i
might need to trade for one of them. if you have any documentaion or
advice i would much appreciate it.
bill lynch

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Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 06:17:28 -0800
From: "JON P TOWNS" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnston Reburial

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I have the T&LR that has the article about J Johnston and his reburial at
Cody WY.  I am going to the Pacific Beaches this weekend and will scan it
when I get home next week if I don't please poke me with a stick and I'll
do it.  The memory is not as good as it use to be.  Or maybe I remember
only what I want to.  Later Jon T

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: From: S.M.Despain-1 <[e-mail]>
: To: [e-mail]
: Subject: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnston Reburial
: Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:07 AM
:
: A couple months ago there was discussion about Johnston and his reburial
: at Cody, Wyo.  There were mentions of some articles done on it in T &
: LR.  If anyone has citations or could run me copies of these articles I
: would gladley pay copy and mailing costs.  Also, there was mention that
: the AMM, who I belive was heavily involved in the reburial, put out a
: pamphlet on the event.  If this is true I would be interested in a copy
: of this document too.  If anyone can help me with these I would be
: greatful.
:
: Thanks,
:
: Matt Despain
: University of Oklahoma
: [e-mail]
:
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article about J Johnston and his reburial at Cody WY.  I am going =
to the Pacific Beaches this weekend and will scan it when I get home =
next week if I don't please poke me with a stick and I'll do it. =
 The memory is not as good as it use to be.  Or maybe I =
remember only what I want to.  Later Jon T =
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color=3D"#0000FF"><u>[e-mail]</u><font =
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color=3D"#0000FF"><u>[e-mail]</u><font =
color=3D"#000000"><br>: Subject: MtMan-List: Jeremiah Johnston =
Reburial<br>: Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 11:07 AM<br>: <br>: A =
couple months ago there was discussion about Johnston and his =
reburial<br>: at Cody, Wyo.  There were mentions of some articles =
done on it in T &<br>: LR.  If anyone has citations or could =
run me copies of these articles I<br>: would gladley pay copy and =
mailing costs.  Also, there was mention that<br>: the AMM, who I =
belive was heavily involved in the reburial, put out a<br>: pamphlet on =
the event.  If this is true I would be interested in a copy<br>: of =
this document too.  If anyone can help me with these I would =
be<br>: greatful.<br>: <br>: Thanks,<br>: <br>: Matt Despain<br>: =
University of Oklahoma<br>: <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>[e-mail]</u><font color=3D"#000000"><br>: =
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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 18:57:12 -0800
From: "JON P TOWNS" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Women and the AMM

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My sister Longtrail:


This Mountain Woman and I have been Brother and Sister as long as she has
been coming to AMM doin's We are not blood but we should be.   I love her
the way a true Brother should.   My son Pete is like a son to her she has
known him as long as we have been doing the AMM stuff.  When it comes to
being primitive we all can take a lesson from her.  Their is no one more
into research then Longtrail she has been on solo trail rides by horse and
can make a pair of Mox that is the best you'll ever see.  She has always
been there for me when I needed a hug and someone to talk to.  If we ever
take in women to the AMM I will be the first to sponsor her.  She would be
the best of the best.  She always has a spot in my camp.  Later Jon T

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: From: Longtrail <[e-mail]>
: To: [e-mail]
: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Women and the AMM
: Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 1:30 PM
:
:
:
: I am a 47 year old female who has been "affiliated" with AMM since the
late
: 70's
: The American Mountain Man association is a MEN ONLY organization.    As
far
: as membership goes.
: As far as the participation of women in the group, I have found that most
: of the men welcome women to participate in rendezvous.
: Women are encouraged to send articles for the Tomahawk and Longrifle.
: Can participate in raffles as well as donate prizes.
: Are respected for their abilities and hard work.
: As far as going up in rank?  Well it is all a matter of a woman's state
of
: mind.  I feel that I can "get on the ground" or do just about anything
: required a man to do.  Most men who know me also have as much confidence
in
: me.  Can I set a primitive camp?  You bet.  Accoutrements ok?  Yep.  Trap
a
: beaver? Sure
: Shoot a deer with a flintlock, gut it, strip it and dry it? Certainly.
: Several years ago a young woman  who had also been affiliated with the
: group via her father, tried to force her way into the group.  A
"equality"
: trip if you will.
: I couldn't help but realize that even thought she may had been affiliated
: with the group for many years she hadn't seen the spirit of the group.
She
: hadn't a clue as to the beauty of the group.  The naturalness of the men
: only theme.  She hadn't learned to respect the men and what they wanted.
: I have seen the spirit of the group, and I respect the group and feel it
: should always continue a men only group.
:
:               Nuffsaid                   Ltsb.
:
:
:

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<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D2 =
color=3D"#000000" face=3D"Arial">My sister Longtrail:<br><br><br>This =
Mountain Woman and I have been Brother and Sister as long as she has =
been coming to AMM doin's We are not blood but we should be. =
  I love her the way a true Brother should.   My son =
Pete is like a son to her she has known him as long as we have been =
doing the AMM stuff.  When it comes to being primitive we all can =
take a lesson from her.  Their is no one more into research then =
Longtrail she has been on solo trail rides by horse and can make a pair =
of Mox that is the best you'll ever see.  She has always been there =
for me when I needed a hug and someone to talk to.  If we ever take =
in women to the AMM I will be the first to sponsor her.  She would =
be the best of the best.  She always has a spot in my camp. =
 Later Jon T <br><br>----------<br>: From: Longtrail <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>[e-mail]</u><font =
color=3D"#000000">><br>: To: <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>[e-mail]</u><font =
color=3D"#000000"><br>: Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Women and the AMM<br>: =
Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 1:30 PM<br>: <br>: <br>: <br>: I am a =
47 year old female who has been "affiliated" with AMM since =
the late<br>: 70's<br>: The American Mountain Man association is a MEN =
ONLY organization.    As far<br>: as membership =
goes.<br>: As far as the participation of women in the group, I have =
found that most<br>: of the men welcome women to participate in =
rendezvous.<br>: Women are encouraged to send articles for the Tomahawk =
and Longrifle.<br>: Can participate in raffles as well as donate =
prizes.<br>: Are respected for their abilities and hard work.<br>: As =
far as going up in rank?  Well it is all a matter of a woman's =
state of<br>: mind.  I feel that I can "get on the =
ground" or do just about anything<br>: required a man to do. =
 Most men who know me also have as much confidence in<br>: me. =
 Can I set a primitive camp?  You bet.  Accoutrements ok? =
 Yep.  Trap a<br>: beaver? Sure<br>: Shoot a deer with a =
flintlock, gut it, strip it and dry it? Certainly.<br>: Several years =
ago a young woman  who had also been affiliated with the<br>: group =
via her father, tried to force her way into the group.  A =
"equality"<br>: trip if you will.<br>: I couldn't help but =
realize that even thought she may had been affiliated<br>: with the =
group for many years she hadn't seen the spirit of the group. =
 She<br>: hadn't a clue as to the beauty of the group.  The =
naturalness of the men<br>: only theme.  She hadn't learned to =
respect the men and what they wanted.<br>: I have seen the spirit of the =
group, and I respect the group and feel it<br>: should always continue a =
men only group.<br>: <br>: =
            &=
nbsp; Nuffsaid =
            &=
nbsp;     Ltsb.<br>: <br>: <br>: <br><br></p>
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