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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #168 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Sunday, November 8 1998 Volume 01 : Number 168 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:27:34 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flathead Post Eddy is Northwest of Weeksville, Southwest of Flathead Lake, off of SR 200. Here is a link to MapQuest with exact directions. Hope this helps. YHS, ShootzHimself <A HREF="http://www.mapquest.com/cgi- bin/mqtrip?uid=rb05aap00e01kakk&avoid_lmtd_access=&avoid_toll_roads=&route_typ e=&link=TripQuest- Main&uid=rb05aap00e01kakk&avoid_ferry=1&OPC=null&ADDR_ORIGIN=&CITY_ORIGIN=Miss oula&STATE_ORIGIN=MT&DPC=null&ADDR_DESTINATION=&CITY_DESTINATION=Eddy&STATE_DE STINATION=MT&quest_mode=trek&results_display_mode=overview">Driving Directions Results</A> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:05:15 -0800 From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flathead Post RR1LA, I thought I would take a look at this mapquest site but I can't make it come up. Could you check the URL to make sure it is correct. Thanks, I remain...... YMOS Capt. Lahti' RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > Eddy is Northwest of Weeksville, Southwest of Flathead Lake, off of SR 200. > Here is a link to MapQuest with exact directions. Hope this helps. YHS, > ShootzHimself > > <A HREF="http://www.mapquest.com/cgi- > bin/mqtrip?uid=rb05aap00e01kakk&avoid_lmtd_access=&avoid_toll_roads=&route_typ > e=&link=TripQuest- > Main&uid=rb05aap00e01kakk&avoid_ferry=1&OPC=null&ADDR_ORIGIN=&CITY_ORIGIN=Miss > oula&STATE_ORIGIN=MT&DPC=null&ADDR_DESTINATION=&CITY_DESTINATION=Eddy&STATE_DE > STINATION=MT&quest_mode=trek&results_display_mode=overview">Driving Directions > Results</A> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:10:27 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flathead Post re: Mapquest.. if the link didn't work, the URL is www.mapquest.com sorry for any problems with the link. YHS, ShootzHimself ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:25:20 -0800 From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Flathead Post S.H., Thanks, it works now without the extrastuff at the end. I remain..... YMOS Capt. Lahti' RR1LA@aol.com wrote: > re: Mapquest.. if the link didn't work, the URL is www.mapquest.com > sorry for any problems with the link. YHS, ShootzHimself ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 14:24:37 EST From: Rkleinx2@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: direction? Please clarify this for me. When someone writes or says that something is on the right side of a river is he refering to looking up or downstream? Thanks. Dick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 15:52:36 -0500 From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: direction? Well, that would entirely depend on if you were on the right or the wrong side of said river, ya see... Dennis "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e" DOUBLE EDGE FORGE Period Knives & Iron Accouterments http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1 - -----Original Message----- From: Rkleinx2@aol.com <Rkleinx2@aol.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 4:06 PM Subject: MtMan-List: direction? >Please clarify this for me. >When someone writes or says that something is on the right side of a river is >he refering to looking up or downstream? >Thanks. > Dick > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 22:45:41 -0700 From: "David Tippets" <dtippets@xmission.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Battle of Pierre's Hole Dale, Over the last couple of years I've made an effort to talk to locals about the reported breastworks of the Battle of Pierre's Hole. When the local information about the breastworks is compared with other information it appears that what locals observed was actually the rotting logs that were part of one of the fur company's (Rocky Mountain Fur Co., I think) whiskey storage cabin at a rendezvous campsite, rather than the the Gross Ventre' breastworks. The rotting log remains in question are just south of Teton Creek and the modern town of Driggs. In contrast, all the more scholarly analysis of accounts of the battle locate the battle site much farther south, closer to Victor. Local Pierre's Hole oral history does not stand up to serious investigation. Even the two historical markers are poorly located and create misinformation. Dave - -----Original Message----- From: Dale Nelson <dnelson@wizzards.net> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Tuesday, November 03, 1998 7:01 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Battle of Pierre's Hole >Carpenter's wrote: >> >He told me that the fortification breastwork, >> from the battle, still existed when he was a kid, growing up in that area. >> I'll have my wife try and find these notes, if any one is interested. She may >> know where they are. > >Hey, we are all interested. DN > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:47:41 -0600 From: "JOHNNY RUTLEDGE" <JOHNNY.RUTLEDGE@worldnet.att.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Who makes the lock Hello List: Got a new cabelas 54 flintlock and was wanting to know were I could get an extra lock for it. does any one in the USA make a lock that will fit it without carving on the stock. who makes the lock for the Manufacture. thanks LONE_WOLF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 06:33:16 -0800 From: "JON P TOWNS" <AMM944@prodigy.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: aluminum This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_01BE0AE1.AAE05320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Paul J. I also hope someone can come up some references for George Washington's cook ware Now days it takes electric power to make aluminum I am union pipe welder by trade and I worked with an old welder who could weld aluminum with a torch. But me it took a Tig welder. But I can do magic with a Tig torch. I am going to also send this to the Hist-list. Later Jon T - ---------- : From: Paul Jacobson <cougar95@lightspeed.net> : To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: AMM-List: aluminum : Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 1:39 PM : : These are interesting questions...I hope someone knows the answer and will : include it here. I can't add a thing of real value, except that my mother, : bless her memory, got a set of aluminum cook ware for a wedding present in : the late 20's/early 30's. Rumor was the aluminum would poison the cook, : but her South Dakota good sense thought that silly. I still have 'em, and : the big pan makes damn good popcorn. It has since I was little watching : Wallace Berry on our first TV. : : Cougar Heart : Paul Jacobson #1597 : ---------- : > From: WIDD-Tim Austin <AustinT@silltcmd-smtp.army.mil> : > To: ammlist@mail.xmission.com : > Subject: AMM-List: aluminum : > Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 6:37 AM : > : > Mr Kramer just brought up a subject that I have been interested in : > because of its current availability. Aluminum. Several years ago I read : > that a General George Washington, revolution war era, had a cook set of : > aluminum. Seems I also read the a Mr. Stewart took a set of aluminum : > cook ware with him West of the Mississippi River when he went. Does : > anyone have the exact documentation on this subject, or did my memory : > totally fail me on this one? : > : > Thank you for your assistance. : > : > Tim Austin #1564 : > : > -------------------- : > Aux Ailments de Pays! : : -------------------- : Aux Ailments de Pays! - ------=_NextPart_000_01BE0AE1.AAE05320 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Paul J. I also hope someone can come up = some references for George Washington's cook ware Now days it = takes electric power to make aluminum I am union pipe welder by trade = and I worked with an old welder who could weld aluminum with a torch. = But me it took a Tig welder. But I can do magic with a Tig = torch. I am going to also send this to the Hist-list. Later = Jon T ---------- : From: Paul Jacobson <cougar95@lightspeed.net> : To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com : Subject: Re: AMM-List: aluminum : Date: = Saturday, November 07, 1998 1:39 PM : : These are interesting = questions...I hope someone knows the answer and will : include it = here. I can't add a thing of real value, except that my = mother, : bless her memory, got a set of aluminum cook ware for a = wedding present in : the late 20's/early 30's. Rumor was the = aluminum would poison the cook, : but her South Dakota good sense = thought that silly. I still have 'em, and : the big pan makes = damn good popcorn. It has since I was little watching : Wallace = Berry on our first TV. : : Cougar Heart : Paul Jacobson = #1597 : ---------- : > From: WIDD-Tim Austin <AustinT@silltcmd-smtp.army.mil> : > To: ammlist@mail.xmission.com : > Subject: AMM-List: aluminum : > Date: = Friday, November 06, 1998 6:37 AM : > : > Mr Kramer just = brought up a subject that I have been interested in : > because of = its current availability. Aluminum. Several years ago I = read : > that a General George Washington, revolution war era, had = a cook set of : > aluminum. Seems I also read the a Mr. = Stewart took a set of aluminum : > cook ware with him West of the = Mississippi River when he went. Does : > anyone have the = exact documentation on this subject, or did my memory : > totally = fail me on this one? : > : > Thank you for your = assistance. : > : > Tim Austin #1564 : > : > = - -------------------- : > Aux Ailments de Pays! : : = - -------------------- : Aux Ailments de Pays! </body></h= tml> - ------=_NextPart_000_01BE0AE1.AAE05320-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:32:05 GMT From: mwhaught@netwalk.com (Mike Haught) Subject: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate? I noticed the note regarding the lock question for the Cabela's flintlock. I have considered purchasing this gun for my first flinter. I have been told that the lock for this gun would not be historically accurate for reenacting the Virginia/Ohio frontiersman/settler of the 1780s through 1810. =20 I'd like to ask the opinion of the resident experts here whether this gun would be a good first time flinter purchase. Thanks. -mwh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:34:30 -0600 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: aluminum Jon T. The only attributed cookware of George Washington's, I am aware of, is pictured in "Collector's Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution"=A0 George C. Neumann and Frank J. Kravic=A0 ISBN 0-8117-0394-0 Page 94 shows the cook kit with plates, platters and pots all in tin.=A0=A0= The confusion may result from the top of the Washington Monument being capped in aluminum (the most expensive metal at the time it was built). It is unlikely any early cookware was made of metal more valuable than gold. I'm still digging for an exact date but, if memory serves to something noted long ago in passing; the first aluminum was made somewhere in the late= 1850's. John... At 06:33 AM 11/8/98 -0800, you wrote:=20 > > Paul J. I also hope someone can come up some references for George > Washington's =A0cook ware Now days it takes electric power to make= aluminum I > am union pipe welder by trade and I worked with an old welder who could= weld > aluminum with a torch. =A0But me it took a Tig welder. =A0But I can do mag= ic with > a Tig torch. =A0I am going to also send this to the Hist-list. =A0Later= Jon T=20 > > ---------- > : From: Paul Jacobson <cougar95@lightspeed.net> > : To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com > : Subject: Re: AMM-List: aluminum > : Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 1:39 PM > :=20 > : These are interesting questions...I hope someone knows the answer and= will > : include it here. =A0I can't add a thing of real value, except that my mother, > : bless her memory, got a set of aluminum cook ware for a wedding present= in > : the late 20's/early 30's. =A0Rumor was the aluminum would poison the= cook, > : but her South Dakota good sense thought that silly. =A0I still have 'em,= and > : the big pan makes damn good popcorn. =A0It has since I was little= watching > : Wallace Berry on our first TV. > :=20 > : Cougar Heart > : Paul Jacobson #1597 > : ---------- > : > From: WIDD-Tim Austin <AustinT@silltcmd-smtp.army.mil> > : > To: ammlist@mail.xmission.com > : > Subject: AMM-List: aluminum > : > Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 6:37 AM > : >=20 > : > Mr Kramer just brought up a subject that I have been interested in > : > because of its current availability. =A0Aluminum. =A0Several years ago= I read > : > that a General George Washington, revolution war era, had a cook set= of > : > aluminum. =A0Seems I also read the a Mr. Stewart took a set of= aluminum > : > cook ware with him West of the Mississippi River when he went. =A0Does > : > anyone have the exact documentation on this subject, or did my memory > : > totally fail me on this one? > : >=20 > : > Thank you for your assistance. > : >=20 > : > Tim Austin #1564 > : >=20 > : > -------------------- > : > Aux Ailments de Pays! > :=20 > : -------------------- > : Aux Ailments de Pays! John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0 Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<< <http://www.kramerize.com/> mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com>=20 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:08:58 EST From: Grantd9@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate? If it is the Blue Ridge rifle that yall are talking about, I would caution against it. I bought one about a year ago and have had nothing but trouble. Pedersoli makes this gun for cabelas and all though I have heard that Pedersoli guns are pretty good quality, the ones sold through Cabela's are a lesser grade. I have had lots of ignition problems and had a gunsmith look at the lock and frizzen. He told me that the frizzen was of low carbon steel and that the lock geometry was off. I spoke with one of Pedersoli's distributors and he said that he has seen lots of problems with the cabelas guns. His thought was that there is a reason they can sell them for less, like maybe they take the reject locks or something. Anyway, that is my opinion and is worth what you paid for it. But for my first flinter, it was nothing but frustrating. Grant ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:48:19 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Flinters (was Cabela's Flintlock) just a note about the cheaper Cabela's as a "first flinter". You are headed for trouble. If your first one has the best barrel and lock you can afford, it may be your last one too. A well built rifle (quality barrel and lock) will outlast you, and will, with proper care, become an heirloom, just as they have for generations. Your first rifle is NOT the place to scrimp on quality, as the frustration of a poor shooting barrel or undependable lock will never be worth what you saved on the gun. Just an opinion. YHS Shootz Himself ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 17:32:11 -0800 From: Roger Lahti <lahtirog@gte.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: direction? Dick, I would say that the right side of a river is the right side when looking up stream. On the Columbia R. and as you inter port from seaward whether moving up stream or not, the right side of the channel will be marked with red buoys and the left with green buoys after you are far enough up the channel to be under Inland Rules. Thus the law of the sea says that the right side of the river is to your right as you move inland. Not to say that there are no other traditions but this is what I would put my money on. Now I can foresee a situation when running a river where you and others are paddling independently and one fellow canoeist says he will make camp on the right bank. If you are going down stream you better ask him which he considers the right bank. I remain.... YMOS Capt. Lahti' Rkleinx2@aol.com wrote: > Please clarify this for me. > When someone writes or says that something is on the right side of a river is > he refering to looking up or downstream? > Thanks. > Dick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:00:54 EST From: RR1LA@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: aluminum From the Hutchinson Encyclopedia: History - Aluminium was first discovered by Humphry Davy 1807 and first produced 1827 by Hans Oersted, who fused potassium with the anhydrous chlo= ride of aluminium in a closed crucible, obtaining the metal in the form of a gr= ey powder. Afterwards Friedrich W=F6hler improved this method and succeeded i= n procuring the metal in a purer form in fused globules and in determining i= ts relative density. However, no easy way could be found to produce it, and t= he shiny new metal became more precious than gold. Napoleon is said to have h= ad a set of aluminium cutlery made for his most honoured guests. I am looking f= or more source documents now, but to the best of my recollection, the first recorded use of aluminum WAS for cutlery and cookware, made for Napoleon, = not Washington. It WAS the most expensive metal in the world, and was chosen = for his Field Marshals for that reason. Aluminum (the element Al, atomic # 13)= , has been used since antiquity. As soon as I can find more details, I will provide them. YHS, Shootz Himself ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:18:21 -0600 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: direction? The U.S.Army Corps of Engineers says upstream. That's good enough for me. Lanney Ratcliff - -----Original Message----- From: Rkleinx2@aol.com <Rkleinx2@aol.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 2:48 PM Subject: MtMan-List: direction? >Please clarify this for me. >When someone writes or says that something is on the right side of a river is >he refering to looking up or downstream? >Thanks. > Dick > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:46:11 -0600 From: hawknest4@juno.com (michael pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate? why do people think that cheep is better------you get what you pay for---most production guns from itally or spain are junk and darn few of them are worth taking inside the house to keep the rain from making them a pile of rusted junk---if you prise your limbs you will get something that is worth shooting and not a wall hanger----why do you guys want this trash--- HAWK MICHAEL PIERCE 1-813-771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS==hawknest4@juno.com On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:08:58 EST Grantd9@aol.com writes: >If it is the Blue Ridge rifle that yall are talking about, I would >caution >against it. I bought one about a year ago and have had nothing but >trouble. >Pedersoli makes this gun for cabelas and all though I have heard that >Pedersoli guns are pretty good quality, the ones sold through Cabela's >are a >lesser grade. I have had lots of ignition problems and had a gunsmith >look at >the lock and frizzen. He told me that the frizzen was of low carbon >steel and >that the lock geometry was off. I spoke with one of Pedersoli's >distributors >and he said that he has seen lots of problems with the cabelas guns. >His >thought was that there is a reason they can sell them for less, like >maybe >they take the reject locks or something. Anyway, that is my opinion >and is >worth what you paid for it. But for my first flinter, it was nothing >but >frustrating. > >Grant > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:36:42 -0600 From: hawknest4@juno.com (michael pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Who makes the lock WHAT GUN DID YOU GET---THEY HAVE SEVERAL 54 CAL---YOUR AMOUNT OF INPUT WILL DETURMINE THE AMOUNT OF RESPONSE---SMALL INPUT GETS SMALL RESPONSE---LIKE NONE---LET US KNOW MORE INFO AND WE CAN HELP=== HAWK MICHAEL PIERCE 1-813-771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS==hawknest4@juno.com On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:47:41 -0600 "JOHNNY RUTLEDGE" <JOHNNY.RUTLEDGE@worldnet.att.net> writes: >Hello List: > > Got a new cabelas 54 flintlock and was wanting to know were I >could get >an extra lock for it. does any one in the USA make a lock that will >fit it >without carving on the stock. who makes the lock for the >Manufacture. > > thanks LONE_WOLF > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:48:11 -0600 From: hawknest4@juno.com (michael pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: First Flinters (was Cabela's Flintlock) i second the motion ---and totally agree---junk is junk--trash is trash---and quality will save your life--- HAWK MICHAEL PIERCE 1-813-771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS==hawknest4@juno.com On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:48:19 EST RR1LA@aol.com writes: >just a note about the cheaper Cabela's as a "first flinter". You are >headed >for trouble. If your first one has the best barrel and lock you can >afford, it >may be your last one too. A well built rifle (quality barrel and >lock) will >outlast you, and will, with proper care, become an heirloom, just as >they have >for generations. Your first rifle is NOT the place to scrimp on >quality, as >the frustration of a poor shooting barrel or undependable lock will >never be >worth what you saved on the gun. Just an opinion. YHS Shootz Himself > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:51:44 -0600 From: hawknest4@juno.com (michael pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: direction? as dumb as i am i always was tought that when giving directions on a river or body of water you looked up stream or toward the current---that maked the right side the right side no mater what----look upstream---and your right hand is on your right side--- HAWK MICHAEL PIERCE 1-813-771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS==hawknest4@juno.com On Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:18:21 -0600 "Lanney Ratcliff" <rat@htcomp.net> writes: >The U.S.Army Corps of Engineers says upstream. That's good enough for >me. >Lanney Ratcliff >-----Original Message----- >From: Rkleinx2@aol.com <Rkleinx2@aol.com> >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> >Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 2:48 PM >Subject: MtMan-List: direction? > > >>Please clarify this for me. >>When someone writes or says that something is on the right side of a >river >is >>he refering to looking up or downstream? >>Thanks. >> Dick >> >> > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:41:01 -0600 From: hawknest4@juno.com (michael pierce) Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate? IF THE LOCK WOULD NOT BE ACCURATE THEN THE GUN WOULD NOT BE CORRECT---WHY DONT YOU LOOK AT A TRIDITIONAL MAKER---OR SOMETHING THAT IS HISTORICALLY CORRECT---OR PERIOD CORRECT---END OF SUBJECT---- HAWK MICHAEL PIERCE 1-813-771-1815 E-MAIL ADDRESS==hawknest4@juno.com On Sun, 08 Nov 1998 23:32:05 GMT mwhaught@netwalk.com (Mike Haught) writes: >I noticed the note regarding the lock question for the Cabela's >flintlock. I have considered purchasing this gun for my first >flinter. > >I have been told that the lock for this gun would not be historically >accurate for reenacting the Virginia/Ohio frontiersman/settler of the >1780s through 1810. =20 > >I'd like to ask the opinion of the resident experts here whether this >gun would be a good first time flinter purchase. > >Thanks. > > -mwh > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:55:46 -0700 From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: aluminum I have welded aluminum with a torch since 1955, no big deal on 3/16 inch and heavier pieces, used to weld many lawnmower decks for Toro and Lawn Boy dealers, seems metal blades crack those decks when the blade hits the water meter cap in the yard. Found the real problem was most of the time a teen age kid was doing the mowing, and the quickier the mower quit, the quicker they got to go play. Anyway, "Utechic Corp." were the ones that came out with a rod with special flux that made the job of welding aluminum a piece of cake. We kept it quite for some time and got all the "special hard to do jobs". HA As for Washington's Cook Set at Valley Forge, that one is made of tin of a fine craftsman, got to handle it a few times when our next door neighbor was involved at the museum there, Adrmiral Vernon L. Bigsby, retired, is the one that took the pictures of the pieces of a copper canteen found at one of the bunker sites (a mound of dirt) in Valley Forge Park, (I called him about the canteen because of the usual inquires that we have all seen, "is it or isn't correct" - Peter Gobel was going crazy as were several others in the tin/copperware business, plus "were they available" - reason for calling), this was just four or five years ago, the was question as to being correct for the F&I boys by one of the National groups looking over that period would not OK them. Oh, some of the brothers were asking about locations of different rendezvous sites, how close or accurate is the information in "Landmarks Of The Rocky Mountain Fur Trade" by Pierce Olson! Hope this helps on Washington's Cook Set and welding aluminum. Buck Aux Ailments de Pays! _______________________ - -----Original Message----- From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Cc: ammlist@lists.xmission.com <ammlist@lists.xmission.com> Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 4:38 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: aluminum Jon T. The only attributed cookware of George Washington's, I am aware of, is pictured in "Collector's Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution" George C. Neumann and Frank J. Kravic ISBN 0-8117-0394-0 Page 94 shows the cook kit with plates, platters and pots all in tin. The confusion may result from the top of the Washington Monument being capped in aluminum (the most expensive metal at the time it was built). It is unlikely any early cookware was made of metal more valuable than gold. I'm still digging for an exact date but, if memory serves to something noted long ago in passing; the first aluminum was made somewhere in the late 1850's. John... At 06:33 AM 11/8/98 -0800, you wrote: > > Paul J. I also hope someone can come up some references for George > Washington's cook ware Now days it takes electric power to make aluminum I > am union pipe welder by trade and I worked with an old welder who could weld > aluminum with a torch. But me it took a Tig welder. But I can do magic with > a Tig torch. I am going to also send this to the Hist-list. Later Jon T > > ---------- > : From: Paul Jacobson <cougar95@lightspeed.net> > : To: ammlist@lists.xmission.com > : Subject: Re: AMM-List: aluminum > : Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 1:39 PM > : > : These are interesting questions...I hope someone knows the answer and will > : include it here. I can't add a thing of real value, except that my mother, > : bless her memory, got a set of aluminum cook ware for a wedding present in > : the late 20's/early 30's. Rumor was the aluminum would poison the cook, > : but her South Dakota good sense thought that silly. I still have 'em, and > : the big pan makes damn good popcorn. It has since I was little watching > : Wallace Berry on our first TV. > : > : Cougar Heart > : Paul Jacobson #1597 > : ---------- > : > From: WIDD-Tim Austin <AustinT@silltcmd-smtp.army.mil> > : > To: ammlist@mail.xmission.com > : > Subject: AMM-List: aluminum > : > Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 6:37 AM > : > > : > Mr Kramer just brought up a subject that I have been interested in > : > because of its current availability. Aluminum. Several years ago I read > : > that a General George Washington, revolution war era, had a cook set of > : > aluminum. Seems I also read the a Mr. Stewart took a set of aluminum > : > cook ware with him West of the Mississippi River when he went. Does > : > anyone have the exact documentation on this subject, or did my memory > : > totally fail me on this one? > : > > : > Thank you for your assistance. > : > > : > Tim Austin #1564 > : > > : > -------------------- > : > Aux Ailments de Pays! > : > : -------------------- > : Aux Ailments de Pays! John T. Kramer, maker of: Kramer's Best Antique Improver >>>It makes wood wonderful<<< >>>As good as old!<<< <http://www.kramerize.com/> mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 22:13:10 -0500 From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Cabelas Flintlock -- Historically Accurate? Mike Haught wrote: > > I noticed the note regarding the lock question for the Cabela's > flintlock. I have considered purchasing this gun for my first > flinter. > > I have been told that the lock for this gun would not be historically > accurate for reenacting the Virginia/Ohio frontiersman/settler of the > 1780s through 1810. > > I'd like to ask the opinion of the resident experts here whether this > gun would be a good first time flinter purchase. It's NOT, IMHO. You'd be MUCH better off with a "Cumberland" from Deer Creek's Wilderness Rifle Works line, which, by the way is semi-custom hand-made, NOT production firearms from Italy like those from Cabelas. Cut rifleing, curly maple stocks (NOT euorpean walnut or some odd-ball wood), a properly designed and made lock, triggers, etc., are quality accuratly reproduced items from good gun makers. Quality doesn't cost that much more. Contact Bob at Thunder Ridge Muzzleloading for data and prices. E-mail address is: bob----debie@pcisys.net. 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