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hist_text-digest Saturday, November 7 1998 Volume 01 : Number 167
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:16:50 -0600
From: Don Neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River
Would like all the infor I can get. I am planning a trip on the Platte
in two years. If there are any books out thier let me know. I am
interested on sites that early trappers wre at on the river, rendezvoos,
trails,etc. Ol Buck thank you
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 10:21:02 -0600
From: Jim Lindberg <jal@sgi.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: intro letter
I'm looking for a copy of the intro letter you get when you subscribe to
the list, I'm doing a workshop on voyageurs and the internet at the
North American Voyageur Council gathering this weekend.
Please email me privately with this.
Thanks,
Jim
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
/`-_ Jim Lindberg |Les Voyageurs du Val du Chippewa
{ . }/ 724 East Grand Avenue |Flambeau Rivere Voyageurs
\ / Chippewa Falls, WI 54729 USA |Sweete water and light laughter,
|___| http://reality.sgi.com/jal/ |Until we next meete. Go Gentle.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:59:06 -0500
From: "John L. Allen" <jlallen@snet.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rubber goods
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Ho the list,
A question was raised a few days ago about whether or not Lewis and =
Clark had a rubber boat. This question came out of the thread relating =
to rubber ponchos, etc.
Lewis and Clark did not have a rubber boat. They carried an iron frame =
(made in Pittsburgh) for a "portable boat" up the Missouri as far as =
Great Falls where they abandoned (or cached) it. This iron frame was =
intended to be covered with hides and/or bark. Although we have no good =
description of it, it was probably something like an Irish curragh--or =
even like a Mandan bullboat.
John C. Fremont, in 1842-44, used rubber boats on his first two =
expeditions into the West. He refers to them as "India rubber" boats and =
mentions them in his journals as being used on both the North Platte and =
the Great Salt Lake. His rubber boat worked well on the Platte in 1842. =
The next year, on Salt Lake, he noted that the rubber boat didn't work =
as well since it wasn't "as well stitched together" as the one used on =
his first expedition. This suggests a boat made from several pieces of =
material sewn in some fashion. These rubber boats were 20 feet long and =
5 feet wide and could carry a wagon. They were apparently inflatable (he =
mentions several places "filling our India rubber boat with air"). Best =
source for Fremont is Donald Jackson and Mary Spence (eds.), THE =
EXPEDITIONS OF JOHN CHARLES FREMONT, 3 vols. Univ. of Illinois Press.
If Fremont, in 1842-44, was using an inflatable rubber boat, then =
obviously the technology was in place to make serviceable ponchos, etc. =
out of rubber or rubber-coated cloth during at least the tail end of the =
Rocky Mountain fur trade era.
Keep your powder dry.
John
=20
Dr. John L. Allen
21 Thomas Drive
Storrs, CT 06268
860/487-1346
jlallen@snet.net
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Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 11:41:26 -0500
From: "John L. Allen" <jlallen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River
Don,
Whereabouts on the Platte? North Platte in Wyoming? South Platte in
Colorado? Platte below the junction in Nebraska? If you'll give me some idea
of where you're trying to get to (or from), I'll try to help. If you're
thinking of traveling on the river itself, you have a task before you.
Depending on time of year and how much water is being let out of reservoirs,
water levels can get really low and there's a lot more sand bar than river
in many areas--not enough draft for even an 18' foot canoe. I've done some
canoe trips on both the North and South Platte but only above (upstream)
from the last dams. Best boat for most of the Platte is a rubber raft.
I'm not aware of any books on boating the Platte specifically (there is some
information on floating the Platte in Wyoming for fishing) but I'll look
through some of my sources to see what I can find for you.
John
Dr. John L. Allen
21 Thomas Drive
Storrs, CT 06268
860/487-1346
jlallen@snet.net
- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River
>Would like all the infor I can get. I am planning a trip on the Platte
>in two years. If there are any books out thier let me know. I am
>interested on sites that early trappers wre at on the river, rendezvoos,
>trails,etc. Ol Buck thank you
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 11:04:06 +0000
From: Joseph Miller <niteowl@pageplus.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River
Dear Don,
Re: Your inquiry on the Platte river--I can help on the South Platte in
Colorado. Actually the North Platte head waters originate in Colorado
and flows north into Wyoming and then southeast to meet the South Platte
at North Platte, Nebraska.
On the South Platte in Colorado there were several trapper forts in Weld
County near Greeley.
Only one is reconstructed and has a visitors Center. It is Fort Vasquez
at Platteville, CO which is about 30 miles down stream from Denver and
20 miles up stream from Greeley.
It was started by Louis Vasquez.
- --------
Another researcher(Elizabeth Larson) states: Six miles upstream and just
south of the present town of Platteville was a famous center for fur
trading built in 1837 by Louis Vasquez and Andrew Sublette who named it
Fort Vasquez. It was subsequently destroyed by Indians around 1842. With
the 1859 gold rush to Colorado, traders and settlers restored part of
the fort, using it for living quarters. The Overland Mail Express stages
stopped there only if there was a passenger or shipment to be left off.
============
Another one is Fort St. Vrain about 6-8 miles down stream where the St
Vrain and So, Platte rivers merge. Nothing remains of it except a
marker(Elizabeth Larson)historical writer states:
A wooden sign is posted which tells of a 1967 archaeological survey
conducted by the Colorado State Historical Society. About 50 feet beyond
the wooden sign is a big concrete slab with three steps up onto it. A
big granite square slab about 6 feet tall stands on top of the concrete
slab. It says:
The plaque reads:
FORT ST. VRAIN BUILT ABOUT 1837
BY COL. CERAN ST. VRAIN.
GENERAL FREMONT REORGANIZED HIS HISTORIC EXPLORING EXPEDITION HERE
JULY 23, 1848.
THIS FORT WAS ALSO VISITED BY FRANCIS PARKMAN AND KIT CARSON.
ERECTED BY CENTENNIAL STATE CHAPTER DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
1911
The writer further states: Fort St. Vrain was established in 1837 by
Ceran St. Vrain, a French fur trader and trapper, and his friends, the
Bent Brothers. St. Vrain and the Bents also established a fort in 1833
on the Santa Fe Trail near La Junta, Colorado called Bent's Old Fort.
======
Eventually maybe by the time you get ready to float down So. Platte(lol)
I should have in Historical Section under Forts will have the many forts
here in Colorado, so check in at my web site from time to time.
Sincerely,
Joseph Miller
- --
Friends of Bill W. and Dr. Bob, Welcome!
To be Happy, Joyous and Free
Joseph Miller, Webmaster
http://www.Colorado-Mall.com
For information on leasing mall space
E-mail: leasing@Colorado-Mall.com
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:52:25 -0800
From: Dale Nelson <dnelson@wizzards.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rubber goods
John C Funk wrote:
>
> My thanks to John, Phyllis, Don and Jim for the interesting treatise on
> "vulcanization" of cotton cloth with natural rubber.
The more I think about it I tend such items were rather
> scarce.
>
> Any further thoughts????????
"Arms and Equipment of the Union," Time Life Books, ISBN 0-7370-3158-1
has pictures on page 215 of a rubber blanket 45'x79', fitted with brass
grommets, issued to the infantry Nov. 1861, and a rubberized poncho
first issued to mounted troops in Nov 1861. Also fitted with brass
grommets and a buttoned slit. On page 167 there is a photo of a
rubberized Sou'wester hat worn by sailors in foul weather. When I was a
kid I had a Sou'wester hat that looked just like this one.
Actually we might be very surprised if we knew how common the
use of
rubber blankets etc. was. Sometimes the stuff that was used the most
was mentioned least, because everyone knew about it, and it didn't need
mentioning. DN
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 19:50:29 -0800
From: Dale Nelson <dnelson@wizzards.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Mt man-List: rubber ponchos
John C Funk wrote:
>
> My thanks to John, Phyllis, Don and Jim for the interesting treatise on
> "vulcanization" of cotton cloth with natural rubber.
The more I think about it I tend such items were rather
> scarce.
>
> Any further thoughts????????
"Arms and Equipment of the Union," Time Life Books, ISBN 0-7370-3158-1
has pictures on page 215 of a rubber blanket 45'x79', fitted with brass
grommets, issued to the infantry Nov. 1861, and a rubberized poncho
first issued to mounted troops in Nov 1861. Also fitted with brass
grommets and a buttoned slit. On page 167 there is a photo of a
rubberized Sou'wester hat worn by sailors in foul weather. When I was a
kid I had a Sou'wester hat that looked just like this one.
Actually we might be very surprised if we knew how common the use of
rubber blankets etc. was. Sometimes the stuff that was used the most
was mentioned least, because everyone knew about it, and it didn't need
mentioning.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 20:27:54 EST
From: Grantd9@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: New Knife
I just got my new knife today that a fellow list member, Dennis over at the
double edge forge made up for me. I just had to write and brag! What an
awesome knife! It is a copy of a knife in Madison Grants book "The Knife in
Home Spun America." It is HK-3 on page 92. Dennis did an incredibly good job
of recreating this knife and for a great price too. There is a picture of it
on his home page if anyone is interested. I listed the URL below. I guess I
finally own my first truely authentic accoutrement! Thanks Dennis!
Grant
http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1/wi.GIF
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Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 19:48:11 -0600
From: Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: On-Line Trade Blanket
Washtahay-
the final edition of my on-line trade blanket will go out Friday AM. if
you want a copy let me know-OFF LIST.
LongWalker c. du B.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:28:34 -0700
From: "Barry Conner" <buck.conner@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River
Hello Camp,
I have done the North Platte from Scotts Bluff NE and the South Platte from
Ft. Morgan CO going to Ft. DeChartre IL, apprx 1260 river miles - figure a
month of hard work and worth the effort - every inch of the way. Good
detailed maps are available from the Coast Guard for both sections of this
river, including the irr.damns and man made lakes.
North Platte;
You can expect several portages a day that take close to an hour per portage
to move a 1/4 mile depending on equipage on the North Platte. This will last
for several hundred miles and you will have to watch the water line in front
of you there are two lakes with hydro plant damns, (one did not have floats
or ropes to warn you of a three hundred foot down ride into the hydro plant
shoot, lucky seeing the level condition of the river tipped us to go look at
see why it was different, before getting to far with no return). You will
have anything from sandy beaches to poison ivy patches to camp on until you
hit the Missouri river. Thats not as bad as it sounds if careful.
South Platte;
You can expect at least one portage a day that again will take close to an
hour per portage depending on equipage as on the North Platte. Only good
thing going this way is the river banks are not as steep on most of the
portages. You'll encounter more wire fences on this section of the Platte.
Camps are a little further apart, and not as much drainage projects as in NE
going this way, but less shelter from the wind, which can slow you down to a
crawl at times, even to walking the canoes. Saw more snakes on this route
also and had more visitors at night, locals that saw our small camp fires.
Less game was seen on the South Platte probably do to less trees and the
flatness.
I think the North Platte is prettier and more interesting landscapes, plus
the folks we met seemed friendlier and willing to help with any problems,
one example was they helped us with a 4 mile portage around one hydro
plant. Seemed the Fish & Game people were nicer too, had a warden chase us
for several miles, as his wife had seen us on local TV the night before and
made us punch and cookies, said he had to deliever or forget going home.
You will work hardier than you have for a while at making the distance you
figure, (shoot for 25-30 a day), some days you'll get lucky and do 35-40,
then turn around the next day an be lucky to make 15.
You should contact some of the sporting good stores in the towns going by
just before starting you trip, they are great on knowing what water
conditions are like for their area. We found this out on one adventure, went
to the South Platte and the river was not passable, then had to drive half a
day to the North Platte for water.
If you wish I can probably give you distances and other information on the
North Platte and will try and get my information back on the South Platte
too.
Buck Conner
Baker Party CO
___________________________________________
- -----Original Message-----
From: John L. Allen <jlallen@snet.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River
>Don,
>
>Whereabouts on the Platte? North Platte in Wyoming? South Platte in
>Colorado? Platte below the junction in Nebraska? If you'll give me some
idea
>of where you're trying to get to (or from), I'll try to help. If you're
>thinking of traveling on the river itself, you have a task before you.
>Depending on time of year and how much water is being let out of
reservoirs,
>water levels can get really low and there's a lot more sand bar than river
>in many areas--not enough draft for even an 18' foot canoe. I've done some
>canoe trips on both the North and South Platte but only above (upstream)
>from the last dams. Best boat for most of the Platte is a rubber raft.
>
>I'm not aware of any books on boating the Platte specifically (there is
some
>information on floating the Platte in Wyoming for fishing) but I'll look
>through some of my sources to see what I can find for you.
>
>John
>
>Dr. John L. Allen
>21 Thomas Drive
>Storrs, CT 06268
>860/487-1346
>jlallen@snet.net
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Neighbors <neigh@marsaglia.com>
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
>Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 11:13 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River
>
>
>>Would like all the infor I can get. I am planning a trip on the Platte
>>in two years. If there are any books out thier let me know. I am
>>interested on sites that early trappers wre at on the river, rendezvoos,
>>trails,etc. Ol Buck thank you
>>
>>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 23:19:29 PST
From: "Paul W. Jones" <pwjones@onr.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rubber goods
Also consider that Sir William Drumond Stewart used an inflatable rubber =
boat in the 1840's on a lake in the Wind River Range.
I will get the cite for anyone interested. Paul W. Jones
- ----------
> Ho the list,
>
> A question was raised a few days ago about whether or not Lewis and Cla=
rk had
> a rubber boat. This question came out of the thread relating to rubber
> ponchos, etc.
>
> Lewis and Clark did not have a rubber boat. They carried an iron frame =
(made
> in Pittsburgh) for a "portable boat" up the Missouri as far as Great =
Falls
> where they abandoned (or cached) it. This iron frame was intended to =
be
> covered with hides and/or bark. Although we have no good description =
of it, it
> was probably something like an Irish curragh--or even like a Mandan bul=
lboat.
>
> John C. Fremont, in 1842-44, used rubber boats on his first two expedit=
ions
> into the West. He refers to them as "India rubber" boats and mentions =
them in
> his journals as being used on both the North Platte and the Great Salt =
Lake.
> His rubber boat worked well on the Platte in 1842. The next year, on =
Salt
> Lake, he noted that the rubber boat didn't work as well since it wasn't=
"as
> well stitched together" as the one used on his first expedition. This =
suggests
> a boat made from several pieces of material sewn in some fashion. These=
rubber
> boats were 20 feet long and 5 feet wide and could carry a wagon. They =
were
> apparently inflatable (he mentions several places "filling our India =
rubber
> boat with air"). Best source for Fremont is Donald Jackson and Mary Spe=
nce
> (eds.), THE EXPEDITIONS OF JOHN CHARLES FREMONT, 3 vols. Univ. of Illin=
ois
> Press.
>
> If Fremont, in 1842-44, was using an inflatable rubber boat, then obvio=
usly
> the technology was in place to make serviceable ponchos, etc. out of =
rubber or
> rubber-coated cloth during at least the tail end of the Rocky Mountain =
fur
> trade era.
>
> Keep your powder dry.
>
> John
>
> Dr. John L. Allen
> 21 Thomas Drive
> Storrs, CT 06268
> 860/487-1346
> jlallen@snet.net
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 02:49:15 -0500
From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller@lightlink.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: GOEX "up in smoke."
Just in.....
Fred
_________________________________
November 5, 1998
Web posted at: 7:59 p.m. EST (0059 GMT)
MINDEN, Louisiana (AP) -- An explosion and flash fire tore through a
building
at an ammunition plant Thursday, killing one employee.
The plant, operated by Goex Inc. in a remote wooded area of Webster
parish in
northwestern Louisiana, produces black powder ammunition. Until 1994, it
was
the site of the now-closed Louisiana Army Ammunition Plant.
The explosion happened during the initial manufacturing process of the
powder,
said Goex president Mick Fahringer. The loose powder quickly burned
itself out,
he said.
The dead employee was identified as Paul Van Luvender, of Haughton. No
one
else was hurt, Fahringer said.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 07:29:23 -0700
From: Gary Farabee <hazkoch@cyberhighway.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rubber goods
Paul W. Jones wrote:
>
> Also consider that Sir William Drumond Stewart used an inflatable rubber boat in the 1840's on a lake in the Wind River Range.
>
> I will get the cite for anyone interested. Paul W. Jones
>
> ----------
> > Ho the list,
> >
> > A question was raised a few days ago about whether or not Lewis and Clark had
> > a rubber boat. This question came out of the thread relating to rubber
> > ponchos, etc.
> >
> > Lewis and Clark did not have a rubber boat. They carried an iron frame (made
> > in Pittsburgh) for a "portable boat" up the Missouri as far as Great Falls
> > where they abandoned (or cached) it. This iron frame was intended to be
> > covered with hides and/or bark. Although we have no good description of it, it
> > was probably something like an Irish curragh--or even like a Mandan bullboat.
> >
> > John C. Fremont, in 1842-44, used rubber boats on his first two expeditions
> > into the West. He refers to them as "India rubber" boats and mentions them in
> > his journals as being used on both the North Platte and the Great Salt Lake.
> > His rubber boat worked well on the Platte in 1842. The next year, on Salt
> > Lake, he noted that the rubber boat didn't work as well since it wasn't "as
> > well stitched together" as the one used on his first expedition. This suggests
> > a boat made from several pieces of material sewn in some fashion. These rubber
> > boats were 20 feet long and 5 feet wide and could carry a wagon. They were
> > apparently inflatable (he mentions several places "filling our India rubber
> > boat with air"). Best source for Fremont is Donald Jackson and Mary Spence
> > (eds.), THE EXPEDITIONS OF JOHN CHARLES FREMONT, 3 vols. Univ. of Illinois
> > Press.
> >
> > If Fremont, in 1842-44, was using an inflatable rubber boat, then obviously
> > the technology was in place to make serviceable ponchos, etc. out of rubber or
> > rubber-coated cloth during at least the tail end of the Rocky Mountain fur
> > trade era.
> >
> > Keep your powder dry.
> >
> > John
> >
> > Dr. John L. Allen
> > 21 Thomas Drive
> > Storrs, CT 06268
> > 860/487-1346
> > jlallen@snet.net
> >
> >The rubber boat used by Stewart was on the Lake at Pinedale, Wyo. They calles it Stewart Lake but it is now called Fremont Lake.
The Ole Gray Bear
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1998 19:43:24 -0500
From: "Pearce Gardner" <bwana@inna.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat
For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get
too hot if one plans to dry the meat. I posted this information on another
mail list I subscribe to and have been challenged on it. Can some one write
to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? Thanks for your help.
Pearce gpromo@access.digex.net
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 10:19:19 -0500
From: deforge1@wesnet.com (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat
Hi,
I don't really know the techincal reasons on the subject, but I do know
that when I make pemmican, when you mix the fat with the rest of
ingredients, you want the fat cool enough that it will not cook the dried
meat the mixture contains. If it does cook the meat, it will go rancid. If
then you eat it, you will die, or WISH you would.
Dennis Miles
"Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: Pearce Gardner <bwana@inna.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, November 06, 1998 10:20 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat
>For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get
>too hot if one plans to dry the meat. I posted this information on
another
>mail list I subscribe to and have been challenged on it. Can some one
write
>to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? Thanks for your help.
>
>Pearce gpromo@access.digex.net
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:58:07 -0600
From: Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat
Washtahay-
At 07:43 PM 11/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get
>too hot if one plans to dry the meat. I posted this information on another
>mail list I subscribe to and have been challenged on it. Can some one write
>to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? Thanks for your help.
It tastes bad.
LongWalker c. du B.
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 08:26:54 -0500
From: "Carpenter's" <kcarpenter@bigbear.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Native seeds
Dear list:
Try this web site for native seeds, related items and other good stuff
for those of the interests we have.
http://desert.net/seeds/home.htm
I got this from Pipe Springs National Monument, an old Mormon fort, in
Arizona. They grow traditional plants in the garden there and this is
one place they get their seeds.
Carp
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 21:35:04 EST
From: GHickman@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat
In a message dated 11/6/98 8:10:30 AM Mountain Standard Time, bwana@inna.net
writes:
<< Can some one write to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? >>
I can't tell you but you might try: http://www.greatjerky.com/index.html.
These are professional jerky "people" and I bet they could tell you.
Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 22:21:52 -0800
From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@powernet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat
Jim Colburn wrote:
> >For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get
> >too hot if one plans to dry the meat. I posted this information on another
> >mail list I subscribe to and have been challenged on it. Can some one write
> >to me and explain why it is bad to dry cooked meat? Thanks for your help.
>
I've made the mistake of drying meat at too high a temperature and it cooked as
it dried. What happened to me was that the meat dried out so much that it was
crumbly and turned into dust in the haversack.Your most onry' and disobedient
hivernant
Sega
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:00:00 -0600
From: Jim Colburn <jc60714@navix.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: why dry raw meat
Washtahay-
At 10:21 PM 11/6/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>
>Jim Colburn wrote:
>
>> >For sometime now, I have heard that it is bad to allow meat to cook or get
The hell I did! I was answering the original poster, who made that
comment. Please be careful of your attributions. Some folks get a might
peeved when made to say things they didn't say.
LongWalker c. du B.
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:07:23 EST
From: Mtnman1449@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Platte River
Don-- Try "The Great Platte river Road" by Merrill J. Mattes, Bison Books.
Long since out of print in hard back, and generally goes for $100 when found.
But Bison Books , University of Nebraska Press,has a paperback edition out for
$16.95
Pat Surrena
#1449
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:34:00 EST
From: Rkleinx2@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Flathead Post
Hello the list,
Dale Morgan in his 'Jedediah Smith' wrote that " The Hudson's Bay Company's
advance base, Flathead Post, was situated.... at present Eddy, Montana". I
know generally where the Post was but since I can't find Eddy on Montana's
map, would someone please pinpoint the location for me?
Thanks.
Dick
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