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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1329 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, March 9 2004 Volume 01 : Number 1329 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: tobacco -áááááá MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc -áááááá MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc -áááááá MtMan-List: ways mtn men died -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: tobacco -áááááá MtMan-List: bear attacks -áááááá MtMan-List: ramrods -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: tobacco -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: tobacco -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc -áááááá MtMan-List: Looms -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Ways Mtn Men died -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: ways mtn men died ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:27:39 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tobacco - -------------------------------1078770459 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/8/2004 10:22:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, sja028@mail.connect.more.net writes: what kind would you likely pick up Monte, You interested in period stuff, or regular tobaccy? Barn - -------------------------------1078770459 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META charset=3DUS-ASCII http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; cha= rset=3DUS-ASCII"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fffff= f"> <DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 3/8/2004 10:22:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, sja028@m= ail.connect.more.net writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue=20= 2px solid"><FONT face=3DArial>what kind would you likely pick up</FONT></BLO= CKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#000080>Monte, You interes= ted in period stuff, or regular tobaccy? Barn</= FONT></STRONG></DIV></BODY></HTML> - -------------------------------1078770459-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:30:03 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc - -------------------------------1078770603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc. Prices Camp Items for Living History and Reenactment of the Fur Trade Era - -------------------------------1078770603 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META charset=3DUS-ASCII http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; cha= rset=3DUS-ASCII"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fffff= f"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#000080></FONT></STRONG>&n= bsp;</DIV> <DIV><A title=3Dhttp://www.clarkandsons.com/pricessmoke.htm href=3D"http://w= ww.clarkandsons.com/pricessmoke.htm">Click here: Clark and Sons Mercantile I= nc. Prices Camp Items for Living History and Reenactment of the Fur Trade Er= a</A> </DIV></BODY></HTML> - -------------------------------1078770603-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:31:36 EST From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc - -------------------------------1078770696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Monty, For period stuff, check out the section on Smoking and Lighting..... Barn Click here: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc. Prices Camp Items for Living History and Reenactment of the Fur Trade Era - -------------------------------1078770696 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><HEAD> <META charset=3DUS-ASCII http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; cha= rset=3DUS-ASCII"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fffff= f"> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#000080>Monty, For period=20= stuff, check out the section on Smoking and Lighting..... Barn&n= bsp;</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#000080></FONT></STRONG>&n= bsp;</DIV> <DIV><A title=3Dhttp://www.clarkandsons.com/pricessmoke.htm href=3D"http://w= ww.clarkandsons.com/pricessmoke.htm">Click here: Clark and Sons Mercantile I= nc. Prices Camp Items for Living History and Reenactment of the Fur Trade Er= a</A> </DIV></BODY></HTML> - -------------------------------1078770696-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:31:46 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: ways mtn men died This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C40509.51FEBCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BB said, < I know the leading cause of death for Mountain Men certainly could = be drownings I just can't remember reading about that many drownings. But like I said earlier, maybe I just remember the indian battle deaths more as they are dramatic> Probably because they were not writing down their experience as they = struggled to not go under for the third time. And in the battles, some may have survived to share their stories.=20 The facts, legends, and lack thereof is what makes study and = discussion both interesting and non-ending. Personally, I would think that the leading causes of death were less = dramatic than drownings and battles. Things like gangrene, falls and = illness must have taken their toll in large numbers without proper = medical treatment being available.=20 How about starvation, dehydration, hypothermia? Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C40509.51FEBCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>BB said,</DIV> <DIV> < I know the leading cause of death for = Mountain Men=20 certainly could be<BR>drownings I just can't remember reading about that = many=20 drownings. But<BR>like I said earlier, maybe I just remember the indian = battle=20 deaths<BR>more as they are dramatic></DIV> <DIV> Probably because they were not writing down = their=20 experience as they struggled to not go under for the third time.</DIV> <DIV> And in the battles, some may have survived to = share=20 their stories. </DIV> <DIV> The facts, legends, and lack thereof is what = makes study=20 and discussion both interesting and non-ending.</DIV> <DIV> Personally, I would think that the leading = causes of=20 death were less dramatic than drownings and battles. Things like = gangrene, falls=20 and illness must have taken their toll in large numbers without proper = medical=20 treatment being available. </DIV> <DIV> How about starvation, dehydration, = hypothermia?</DIV> <DIV>Frank</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C40509.51FEBCB0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:34:14 -0600 From: "Monte Holder" <sja028@mail.connect.more.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tobacco This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C40509.AA5B2100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am interested in both, but just wondered what you'd run out to get on = the spur of the moment when you realized you were about out, loading up = to go somewhere and couldn't get it through the mail in time. Monte - ------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C40509.AA5B2100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>I am interested in both, = but just=20 wondered what you'd run out to get on the spur of the moment when you = realized=20 you were about out, loading up to go somewhere and couldn't get it = through the=20 mail in time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" = size=3D3>Monte</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_02DB_01C40509.AA5B2100-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:37:02 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: bear attacks This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C4050A.0EB7E0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lee Teter said, <Modern books are great for learning about the animal, but Fred = Gowans' book Mountain Man & Grizzly is the best one for people who like = this site. Mr. Gowans compiled almost every recorded instance of grizzly = encounters known, from Lewis & Clark to late era mountaineers> I'll look up that one and read it, Lee. Another about griz encounters through the ages, from old myth to = more recent accounts is: "Alaska Bear Tales" by Larry Kaniut. Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C4050A.0EB7E0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV>Lee Teter said,</DIV> <DIV> <Modern books are great for learning about = the=20 animal, but Fred Gowans' book Mountain Man & Grizzly is the best one = for=20 people who like this site. Mr. Gowans compiled almost every recorded = instance of=20 grizzly encounters known, from Lewis & Clark to late era=20 mountaineers></DIV> <DIV> I'll look up that one and read it, Lee.</DIV> <DIV> Another about griz encounters through the ages, = from old=20 myth to more recent accounts is:</DIV> <DIV> "Alaska Bear Tales" by Larry Kaniut.</DIV> <DIV>Frank</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C4050A.0EB7E0C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 12:38:57 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: ramrods This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C4050A.52E41E30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope this solicitation is all right here. I have gone back into the synthetic ramrod business. Contact me off-list for information: Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com Frank - ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C4050A.52E41E30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> Hope this solicitation is all right here.</DIV> <DIV> I have gone back into the synthetic ramrod=20 business.</DIV> <DIV> Contact me off-list for information: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com">Rifleman1776@cox-internet.c= om</A></DIV> <DIV>Frank</DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C4050A.52E41E30-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 10:37:37 -0800 From: JW Stephens <lray@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tobacco I'd do without, which is VERY period. B'st'rd Monte Holder wrote: > I am interested in both, but just wondered what you'd run out to get on > the spur of the moment when you realized you were about out, loading up > to go somewhere and couldn't get it through the mail in time. > > Monte - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:53:25 -0500 From: "DOUBLE EDGE FORGE" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: tobacco This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C40514.BA685120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I carry the Irish Black Rope tobac. Can be smoked in a pipe or = chewed.... D ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Monte Holder=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:16 PM Subject: MtMan-List: tobacco If any of you pipe smokers out there was out of tobacco and you wanted = some to take with you on your next adventure, what kind would you likely = pick up. Feel free to email me off list if necessary. I was just = curious as to appropriate kinds of smoke makin's Monte Holder Saline County MO - ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C40514.BA685120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>I carry the Irish Black Rope = tobac. Can be=20 smoked in a pipe or chewed....</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>D<BR></STRONG><BR></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Dsja028@mail.connect.more.net=20 href=3D"mailto:sja028@mail.connect.more.net">Monte Holder</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 08, 2004 = 1:16=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: = tobacco</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>If any of you pipe smokers out there was out of tobacco and you = wanted=20 some to take with you on your next adventure, what kind would you = likely pick=20 up. Feel free to email me off list if necessary. I was = just=20 curious as to appropriate kinds of smoke makin's</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Monte Holder</DIV> <DIV>Saline County MO</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C40514.BA685120-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:53:58 -0600 From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@myexcel.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C40514.CDC151E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the referral, but Clark and Sons is no longer in business, or = what pulse remains, is very weak, and will only be resuscitated if a = pending sale is completed. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LivingInThePast@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:31 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc Monty, For period stuff, check out the section on Smoking and = Lighting..... Barn=20 Click here: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc. Prices Camp Items for = Living History and Reenactment of the Fur Trade Era - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C40514.CDC151E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Thanks for the referral, but = Clark and=20 Sons is no longer in business, or what pulse remains, is very weak, and = will=20 only be resuscitated if a pending sale is = completed.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New = Roman">Regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New = Roman"><BR>Paul</FONT></STRONG></DIV></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DLivingInThePast@aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:LivingInThePast@aol.com">LivingInThePast@aol.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 08, 2004 = 12:31=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: Clark and = Sons=20 Mercantile Inc</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" color=3D#000080>Monty, For = period stuff,=20 check out the section on Smoking and Lighting..... =20 Barn </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20 color=3D#000080></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><A title=3Dhttp://www.clarkandsons.com/pricessmoke.htm=20 href=3D"http://www.clarkandsons.com/pricessmoke.htm">Click here: Clark = and Sons=20 Mercantile Inc. Prices Camp Items for Living History and Reenactment = of the=20 Fur Trade Era</A> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C40514.CDC151E0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:54:08 -0600 From: "Paul Jones" <pwjones@myexcel.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C40514.D3E065C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the referral, but Clark and Sons is no longer in business, or = what pulse remains, is very weak, and will only be resuscitated if a = pending sale is completed. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message -----=20 From: LivingInThePast@aol.com=20 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 12:30 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc Click here: Clark and Sons Mercantile Inc. Prices Camp Items for = Living History and Reenactment of the Fur Trade Era - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C40514.D3E065C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"=20 bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Thanks for the referral, but = Clark and=20 Sons is no longer in business, or what pulse remains, is very weak, and = will=20 only be resuscitated if a pending sale is = completed.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New = Roman">Regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New = Roman"><BR>Paul</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DLivingInThePast@aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:LivingInThePast@aol.com">LivingInThePast@aol.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dhist_text@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:hist_text@lists.xmission.com">hist_text@lists.xmission.com= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 08, 2004 = 12:30=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: Clark and = Sons=20 Mercantile Inc</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20 color=3D#000080></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><A title=3Dhttp://www.clarkandsons.com/pricessmoke.htm=20 href=3D"http://www.clarkandsons.com/pricessmoke.htm">Click here: Clark = and Sons=20 Mercantile Inc. Prices Camp Items for Living History and Reenactment = of the=20 Fur Trade Era</A> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C40514.D3E065C0-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 22:32:02 -0700 From: "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Looms This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C4055D.2D529220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone is interested in going into the wool blanket business I bet = this machinery from Barron Woolin Mills will go for a song. If someone = does use my tip I expect to get a good deal on blankets here after.=20 =20 Wynn Ormond=20 =20 =20 =20 Ogden UT Area Code: 801 Date Posted: 03/07/2004 NOTIFICATION OF DISPOSITION OF COLLATERALBaron's Rocky Mountain Wool = Corporation and Marva L. Sadler and Robert D. Sadler are the Debtors = under a Security Agreement dated June 16, 1993 made with Bear River = Association of Governments as Secured Party. The Debtors have granted a = security interest to the Secured Party in all of the property described = in attachment "A".We will sell the following property described in = attachment "A" to the highest qualified bidder in public as = follows:Date: Tuesday, March 09, 2004Time: 1:00 p.m.Place: Main Entrance = of the First Judicial District Court; 43 North Main, Brigham City, = UtahThe Auction will be made without any covenant, warranty express or = implied, regarding title, possession, quiet enjoyment, encumbrances or = the like.Each bidder must be prepared to tender a $1,000 cashier's check = at the sale and certified funds for the balance of the purchase price = within twenty-four hours after the sale.Equipment Inventory, June 15, = 1993DescriptionSingle Coner2 - 115 " Crompton & Knowles Loom; 4 - 110" Crompton & Knowles = LoomDavis & Furber Pinless PlateWarp Equipment: 14 110" Warp Beams; 9 = 115" Warp Beams; 16 Warp JackspoolsJames Hunter Fulling MillRodney Hunt = Wash Box48" Raw Stock Extractor-Tolhurst100" 36 Roll Tomlinson = NapperTenter Dryer-DB Kenyon & Son, Rariton, NJ2 44" Newcomb Hand Looms1 = Ton Yale Electric Chain HoistToledo Floor Scale, 800# capacityFairbanks = Morse Hanging Scales, 600# capacity7' X 30' 5th Wheel TrailerScouring = Train-SC Sargent & Sons 193048" Troy Atlas Stainless Steel Extractor, = 750 lb.500 lb Dye Kettle48" Raw Stock Extractor20 Ft. Steam Heated = Sargeant Stock Dryer48" Mixing Picker, turntable & blower-James Smith = Woolen Machinery Co.48"X60" Davis & Furber 3 breaker, Doffer Cards, = Feeder HoppersCard Clothing Traverse Grinder-BS Roy & Son144 Spindle D&F = Series F Spinning FrameAbbott Automatic Quiller RewinderBailer: 50'-M = Type "PLD", 24"X48" Down Pkg Double Box Linter PressMisc. PartsDATED: = Thursday, March 4, 2004Publication Date: Su nday, March 7, 2004Jonathan = E. JenkinsDAINES, WYATT & ALLEN, LLP108 N. MainLogan, UT = 84321435-753-4000Pub.: March 7, 200423051 =20 =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C4055D.2D529220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> <DIV class=3DSection1> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If anyone is interested in = going=20 into the wool blanket business I bet this machinery from Barron Woolin = Mills=20 will go for a song. If someone does use my tip I expect to get a = good deal=20 on blankets here after. <?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wynn Ormond=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Ogden = UT Area=20 Code: 801 Date Posted: 03/07/2004<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">NOTIFICATION OF = DISPOSITION=20 OF COLLATERALBaron's Rocky Mountain Wool Corporation and Marva L. Sadler = and=20 Robert D. Sadler are the Debtors under a Security Agreement dated June = 16, 1993=20 made with Bear River Association of Governments as Secured Party. The = Debtors=20 have granted a security interest to the Secured Party in all of the = property=20 described in attachment "A".We will sell the following property = described in=20 attachment "A" to the highest qualified bidder in public as = follows:Date:=20 Tuesday, March 09, 2004Time: 1:00 p.m.Place: Main Entrance of the First = Judicial=20 District Court; 43 North Main, Brigham City, UtahThe Auction will be = made=20 without any covenant, warranty express or implied, regarding title, = possession,=20 quiet enjoyment, encumbrances or the like.Each bidder must be prepared = to tender=20 a $1,000 cashier's check at the sale and certified funds for the balance = of the=20 purchase price within twenty-four hours after the sale.Equipment = Inventory, June=20 15, 1993DescriptionSingle<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'">Coner2 - 115 " = Crompton=20 & Knowles Loom; 4 - 110" Crompton & Knowles LoomDavis & = Furber=20 Pinless PlateWarp Equipment: 14 110" Warp Beams; 9 115" Warp Beams; 16 = Warp=20 JackspoolsJames Hunter Fulling MillRodney Hunt Wash Box48" Raw Stock=20 Extractor-Tolhurst100" 36 Roll Tomlinson NapperTenter Dryer-DB Kenyon = & Son,=20 Rariton, NJ2 44" Newcomb Hand Looms1 Ton Yale Electric Chain HoistToledo = Floor=20 Scale, 800# capacityFairbanks Morse Hanging Scales, 600# capacity7' X = 30' 5th=20 Wheel TrailerScouring Train-SC Sargent & Sons 193048" Troy Atlas = Stainless=20 Steel Extractor, 750 lb.500 lb Dye Kettle48" Raw Stock Extractor20 Ft. = Steam=20 Heated Sargeant Stock Dryer48" Mixing Picker, turntable & = blower-James Smith=20 Woolen Machinery Co.48"X60" Davis & Furber 3 breaker, Doffer Cards, = Feeder=20 HoppersCard Clothing Traverse Grinder-BS Roy & Son144 Spindle = D&F Series=20 F Spinning FrameAbbott Automatic Quiller RewinderBailer: 50'-M Type = "PLD",=20 24"X48" Down Pkg Double Box Linter PressMisc. PartsDATED: Thursday, = March 4,=20 2004Publication Date: Su nday, March 7, 2004Jonathan E. JenkinsDAINES, = WYATT=20 & ALLEN, LLP108 N. MainLogan, UT 84321435-753-4000Pub.: March 7,=20 200423051<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTM= L> - ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C4055D.2D529220-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 02:25:00 EST From: GazeingCyot@cs.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Ways Mtn Men died - --part1_15a.2f771b66.2d7ecb4c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got back from our camp in Pierre's Hole last night and I still have not had a chance to look up that Article on Mountain Men's deaths. After I get my gear all dried out and put away I'll start to see if I can find it. But if my memoire serves me right the author of the article was quoting Heff from volume #10 of his series on The Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of the Far West. I do not have this series of books in my collection. If any of you have this series you maybe able to look it up. In it he talks of the numbers that lived to old age and the average age of the trappers and does a run down on the leading causes of deaths among the trappers. That is if my memory serves me right and the older I get the more often it has let me down so I'm not going to swearing by it right now. I was like you Beaverboy and thought that the leading cause of early death would have been at the hands of Indians until I read this article. If I were you, I would not be to quick to say that Voyagers and Cree did not take an active part in the fur trade here in the Rocky Mountains and have any dealing with the deadlier plains tribes here. For there were a lot of them that found them selves here in the Rockies working for the fur companies and some of them did die from Indians and rivers here while doing so. I know there were two Voyagers that drowned with the Astorians party on the Snake River here in Idaho when they tried to take dugouts down it. The Men that took part in the Fur Trade came from a lot of different back grounds and races. See ya On the Trail Crazy Cyot - --part1_15a.2f771b66.2d7ecb4c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10>Just got back= from our camp in Pierre's Hole last night and I still have not had a chance= to look up that Article on Mountain Men's deaths. After I get my gear all d= ried out and put away I'll start to see if I can find it. <BR>But if my memoire serves me right the author of the article was quoting=20= Heff from volume #10 of his series on The Mountain Men and the Fur Trade of=20= the Far West. I do not have this series of books in my collection. If any of= you have this series you maybe able to look it up. In it he talks of the nu= mbers that lived to old age and the average age of the trappers and does a r= un down on the leading causes of deaths among the trappers. That is if my me= mory serves me right and the older I get the more often it has let me down s= o I'm not going to swearing by it right now. <BR>I was like you Beaverboy and thought that the leading cause of early dea= th would have been at the hands of Indians until I read this article.=20 <BR>If I were you, I would not be to quick to say that Voyagers and Cree did= not take an active part in the fur trade here in the Rocky Mountains and ha= ve any dealing with the deadlier plains tribes here.=20 <BR>For there were a lot of them that found them selves here in the Rockies=20= working for the fur companies and some of them did die from Indians and rive= rs here while doing so.=20 <BR>I know there were two Voyagers that drowned with the Astorians party on=20= the Snake River here in Idaho when they tried to take dugouts down it.=20 <BR>The Men that took part in the Fur Trade came from a lot of different bac= k grounds and races.=20 <BR>See ya On the Trail <BR>Crazy Cyot=20 <BR> </FONT></HTML> - --part1_15a.2f771b66.2d7ecb4c_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 05:35:25 -0800 From: "Kim-Ken Carpenter" <carpentersa5k@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: ways mtn men died - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Haven't seen this one yet: What about accidental discharge of firearms? Carp - ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Fusco To: list AMM Sent: 3/8/2004 10:31:40 AM Subject: MtMan-List: ways mtn men died BB said, < I know the leading cause of death for Mountain Men certainly could be drownings I just can't remember reading about that many drownings. But like I said earlier, maybe I just remember the indian battle deaths more as they are dramatic> Probably because they were not writing down their experience as they struggled to not go under for the third time. And in the battles, some may have survived to share their stories. The facts, legends, and lack thereof is what makes study and discussion both interesting and non-ending. Personally, I would think that the leading causes of death were less dramatic than drownings and battles. Things like gangrene, falls and illness must have taken their toll in large numbers without proper medical treatment being available. How about starvation, dehydration, hypothermia? Frank - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII <HTML style="FONT-SIZE: x-small; FONT-FAMILY: Comic Sans MS"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Haven't seen this one yet:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What about accidental discharge of firearms?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Carp</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com href="mailto:Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com">Frank Fusco</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=hist_text@xmission.com href="mailto:hist_text@xmission.com">list AMM</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 3/8/2004 10:31:40 AM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: ways mtn men died</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV>BB said,</DIV> <DIV> < I know the leading cause of death for Mountain Men certainly could be<BR>drownings I just can't remember reading about that many drownings. But<BR>like I said earlier, maybe I just remember the indian battle deaths<BR>more as they are dramatic></DIV> <DIV> Probably because they were not writing down their experience as they struggled to not go under for the third time.</DIV> <DIV> And in the battles, some may have survived to share their stories. </DIV> <DIV> The facts, legends, and lack thereof is what makes study and discussion both interesting and non-ending.</DIV> <DIV> Personally, I would think that the leading causes of death were less dramatic than drownings and battles. Things like gangrene, falls and illness must have taken their toll in large numbers without proper medical treatment being available. </DIV> <DIV> How about starvation, dehydration, hypothermia?</DIV> <DIV>Frank</DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1329 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.