Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm for Bear/Mountain Lion Protection
>I've sat back and read this line for as long as I could handle it =
without=20
saying something. The best protection from bears and cats is sitting on =
top of=20
your shoulders and one only has to use it to help keep ya out of =
trouble. <
Well said! Here in Canada, where the populace isn't nearly so well =
armed, we
tend to avoid situations which could lead to a confrontation with bears =
or
cougars. Last winter, we had the first adult killed by a cougar in the =
history
of the province: a cross-country skier who was skiing before =
dawn--alone.
Tragic, but an example of what *not* to do.
When you enter Banff National Park, you get the pamphlet "You are in =
Bear
Country" which is full of advice on how to prevent bear attacks; the =
park has
taken stringent precautions to keep bears and people apart for the last =
two
decades, and as a result, there have been few deaths of either bears or =
visitors
in that time. (I believe that the last human killed by a bear in Alberta =
was 8
years ago.) If more people would take proper care of garbage and bird =
feeders
(illegal in the national park!), there would be fewer encounters between =
people
and bears.
Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:34:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Lee Teter <leeteter@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm for Bear/Mountain Lion Protection
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Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net> wrote:
Here in Canada, where the populace isn't nearly so well armed, we
tend to avoid situations which could lead to a confrontation with bears or
cougars. Last winter, we had the first adult killed by a cougar in the history
of the province: a cross-country skier who was skiing before dawn--alone.
Tragic, but an example of what *not* to do.
Angela,
Every year here in Wyoming, unarmed fishermen are mauled. They're doing nothing but minding their business, trying to pull little fish out of a brook. There are lots of differences between the bears in the mountains here and in Canada. I have firsthand information that bears were, and perhaps still are, being tranquilized with PCP. Do you recall the effect PCP has on human drug addicts? It makes them crazy. They are studied and tranquilized so much here. People in Alaska don't understand the encounters in this area, either. Bears up there don't seem to be as aggressive. Of course, you can still shoot them up there. Anyway, I think management has alot to do with the problem, and not necessarily people not thinking correctly. There are more maulings and encounters in Wyoming than ever hit the newspapers. People are always surprised at the numbers, because they never hear about them. It's something that everyone wants to keep quiet for the sake of tourism.
Fact is, there isn't enough room for the population of grizzly bears we have along with the extensive land use by sportsmen. Grizzlies here have learned that gunshots mean food (or a gut pile). They come running. Almost every kill has bear tracks around it. Anyway, this is too complicated.
And what's wrong with skiing before dawn? Isn't everyone prepared to die doing something they love?
Lee
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net></I></B> wrote:<BR><BR> Here in Canada, where the populace isn't nearly so well armed, we<BR>tend to avoid situations which could lead to a confrontation with bears or<BR>cougars. Last winter, we had the first adult killed by a cougar in the history<BR>of the province: a cross-country skier who was skiing before dawn--alone.<BR>Tragic, but an example of what *not* to do.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Angela,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Every year here in Wyoming, unarmed fishermen are mauled. They're doing nothing but minding their business, trying to pull little fish out of a brook. There are lots of differences between the bears in the mountains here and in Canada. I have firsthand information that bears were, and perhaps still are, being tranquilized with PCP. Do you recall the effect PCP has on human drug addicts? It makes them crazy. They are studied and tranquilized so much here. People in Alaska don't understand the encounters in this area, either. Bears up there don't seem to be as aggressive. Of course, you can still shoot them up there. Anyway, I think management has alot to do with the problem, and not necessarily people not thinking correctly. There are more maulings and encounters in Wyoming than ever hit the newspapers. People are always surprised at the numbers, because they never hear about them. It's something that everyone wants to keep quiet for the sake of
tourism. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Fact is, there isn't enough room for the population of grizzly bears we have along with the extensive land use by sportsmen. Grizzlies here have learned that gunshots mean food (or a gut pile). They come running. Almost every kill has bear tracks around it. Anyway, this is too complicated. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And what's wrong with skiing before dawn? Isn't everyone prepared to die doing something they love?</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:08:21 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: re attrractants
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> SnakeOyl had it right on attractants:
"Food, scat, candy, garbage, cologne, menses; all that and more can get
you killed in Ol' Ephraim's domain. Stupidity is the most dangerous foe."
Add to that list of attractants breath mints, deodorant and toothpaste.
While on a wildfire assignment in Yellowstone a couple years back, Fire
Camp was at Fishing Bridge (well noted griz country) we were required to
not have any of those additional items in our tents. Granted, these
would not likely be found in a pre-1840 camp, but just to point out some
of the non-obvious dangers. There were bears in the nearby vicinity, I
seen two of 'em. Granted they were together...but they was momma and cub.
Sparks
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:21:46 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Black bears
Before we get totally off this subject of bear protection, I want to be
sure that defending yourself against Griz and lions is prudent, don't
write off black bears.
Granted, they seem to rank people far down on their list of predatory
animals, but not entirely off the list. A few years ago in central Utah
(Strawberry Reservoir) a 12 year old girl was dragged through a cabin
window and munched pretty good. I can't remember if she died, but her
folks certainly were not expecting that to happen inside the cabin.
Sparks
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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:32:21 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Firearm for Bear/Mountain Lion Protection
