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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:00:31 -0800
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy..OT
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Not compress water (liquid)?...I suppose you'll try to tell us we can't convert lead to Gold...? Get with it.... Wanna buy shares in the fountain of youth, we found it at the AMM Eastern in Florida , 2000. See you soon brother. hardtack
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You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to see all your tongues in your collective cheeks and might actually think that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought the water in the OTHER part of the device was being compressed during the testing procedure. He eventually moved on to a competitor's lab where he is probably still in a fog. He was a nice kid who was proud of playing in the Praise and Glory Band at church.
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<DIV>Not compress water (liquid)?...I suppose you'll try to tell us we can't convert lead to Gold...? Get with it.... Wanna buy shares in the fountain of youth, we found it at the AMM Eastern in Florida , 2000. See you soon brother. hardtack</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to see all your tongues in your collective cheeks and might actually think that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought the water in the OTHER part of the device was being compressed during the testing procedure. He eventually moved on to a competitor's lab where he is probably still in a fog. He was a nice kid who was proud of playing in the Praise and Glory Band at church.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:40:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Larson Harsey <camperfox428@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy
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I think having a filter would help in some way also. Thanks The posibilities are unlimited.
Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net> wrote:
Larson Harsey
wrote in part:
I seams if I carry enough hydrogen, I can just use it with air along the trail and make water when I need it.
Dear Larson:
I have never carried hydgrogen with me on period camps but I have made water along the trail and have found it not only heplful but almost indespinsible. You oatta try it sometime.
Wynn Ormond
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<DIV>I think having a filter would help in some way also. Thanks The posibilities are unlimited.<BR><BR><B><I>Wynn Ormond <cheyenne@pcu.net></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> I seams if I carry enough hydrogen, I can just use it with air along the trail and make water when I need it. </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Dear Larson:</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">I have never carried hydgrogen with me on period camps but I have made water along the trail and have found it not only heplful but almost indespinsible. You oatta try it sometime.</DIV>
Roger, how does AuaPur handle chemical contaminants, like fertilizer runoff etc? Some of the areas I hike around in have been contaminated upstream. But, you are dead on with regard to water. I remember the fun I had trying to document a civilian impression water container for a longhunter. There wasn't one. They followed the streams, and drank from them. Why carry it when your paddling on it. :) Wish we could still say the same thing.
Todd
Missouri Territory
"the only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes"
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<DIV>I honestly don't know. I've been using it for a while now, and I no longer remember the origin. I think it's pretty true though. :)</DIV>
<DIV>Roger, how does AuaPur handle chemical contaminants, like fertilizer runoff etc? Some of the areas I hike around in have been contaminated upstream. But, you are dead on with regard to water. I remember the fun I had trying to document a civilian impression water container for a longhunter. There wasn't one. They followed the streams, and drank from them. Why carry it when your paddling on it. :) Wish we could still say the same thing. </DIV>
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<DIV>Missouri Territory</DIV>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:21:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Schrivener <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: packframe, now water
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Yup. A stream I used to hike along and fish in as a kid is sterile now, unless you count the massive amounts of fecal choloroforms that are in there from an upstream feed lot. Signs all over the thing prohibiting wading, fishing, swimming etc. The stream even LOOKS ill.
Todd
"the only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes"
Frank Fusco <Rifleman1776@cox-internet.com> wrote:
Capt'n said,
<Your going to have to drink a lot of water for the runoff contaminants =
to kill you.>
That may be true if you are only worried about runoff contaminants and being killed quickly. But those runoffs can make one mighty ill and have long term effects that may not be immediately identified with drinking from a certain stream years earlier.
And, there are biological contaminants in almost every waterway in the U.S. (and probably world) that may or may not be the result of 'run-offs' that can make one seriously ill.
Use of filters for obtaining water in the wilderness is an absolutely necessity for protecting ones health. May not be considered "authentic". But remember suffering horribly and dying young was very "authentic" back then.
Frank
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<DIV>Yup. A stream I used to hike along and fish in as a kid is sterile now, unless you count the massive amounts of fecal choloroforms that are in there from an upstream feed lot. Signs all over the thing prohibiting wading, fishing, swimming etc. The stream even LOOKS ill. </DIV>
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<DIV>Todd</DIV>
<DIV>"the only substitute for good manners is fast reflexes"</DIV>
<DIV> <Your going to have to drink a lot of water for the runoff contaminants =<BR>to kill you.></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> That may be true if you are only worried about runoff contaminants and being killed quickly. But those runoffs can make one mighty ill and have long term effects that may not be immediately identified with drinking from a certain stream years earlier.</DIV>
<DIV> And, there are biological contaminants in almost every waterway in the U.S. (and probably world) that may or may not be the result of 'run-offs' that can make one seriously ill.</DIV>
<DIV> Use of filters for obtaining water in the wilderness is an absolutely necessity for protecting ones health. May not be considered "authentic". But remember suffering horribly and dying young was very "authentic" back then.</DIV>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:35:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Todd Schrivener <farseer@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy..OT
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Uh, I'm assuming he's unfamiliar with that whole science called "hydraulics"? That system works for a reason. :)
Todd
That said, I am assuming that water filters are kinda lumped into the category with modern meds, something that we acknowledge didn't exist, but kinda need anyway?
I've been working diligently to pare down my kit to absolulte minimums, and all of it documentable but there are some things I kinda wondered on.
You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to see all your tongues in your collective cheeks and might actually think that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought the water in the OTHER part of the device was being compressed during the testing procedure. He eventually moved on to a competitor's lab where he is probably still in a fog. He was a nice kid who was proud of playing in the Praise and Glory Band at church.
Lanney
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<DIV>Uh, I'm assuming he's unfamiliar with that whole science called "hydraulics"? That system works for a reason. :)</DIV>
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<DIV>Todd</DIV>
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<DIV>That said, I am assuming that water filters are kinda lumped into the category with modern meds, something that we acknowledge didn't exist, but kinda need anyway? </DIV>
<DIV>I've been working diligently to pare down my kit to absolulte minimums, and all of it documentable but there are some things I kinda wondered on.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=4>You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to see all your tongues in your collective cheeks and might actually think that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought the water in the OTHER part of the device was being compressed during the testing procedure. He eventually moved on to a competitor's lab where he is probably still in a fog. He was a nice kid who was proud of playing in the Praise and Glory Band at church.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:15:54 -0700
From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Compressed water, now Water guns
If only Lewis and Clark had our ingenuity, they'd uv used their air rifle to compress water and invented the first "squirt gun" to show off the the Indians. Now that wooda been a sight to see. All you guys have made my Monday morning a hoot.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
southern Idaho
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:12:06 -0800
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy..OT
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Capt. Lahti'
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You do realize, don't you, that somebody on this list is likely not to =
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that you can compress water? We had a technician at my lab who was =
convinced that water could be compressed and simply would not listen to =
facts. One of our testing devices utilitized Boyles's Law and he =
confused the compression of air in one part of the device and thought =
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:48:02 -0700
From: James and Sue Stone <jandsstone@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Compressed water, now Water guns
Dennis,
By putting a llittle indelible color in the water the coup counting
techniques could have changed dramatically. There would be those
miserable coup-victims going forever about their lives marked with the
indelible stains of their enemies.
At the same time, it would have been a boon to those who import and/or
make dyes. And the West may have been more colorful to this day .
Sparks
Dennis Knapp wrote:
>If only Lewis and Clark had our ingenuity, they'd uv used their air rifle to compress water and invented the first "squirt gun" to show off the the Indians. Now that wooda been a sight to see. All you guys have made my Monday morning a hoot.
>Regards,
>Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
>southern Idaho
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:54:13 -0800 (PST)
From: mike stilts <mostilts@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Water Packing Sissy..OT
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> Uh, I'm assuming he's unfamiliar with that whole
> science called "hydraulics"? That system works
> for a reason. :)
>
> Todd
>
> That said, I am assuming that water filters are
> kinda lumped into the category with modern meds,
> something that we acknowledge didn't exist, but
> kinda need anyway?
> I've been working diligently to pare down my kit to
> absolulte minimums, and all of it documentable but
