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hist_text-digest Thursday, October 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1254
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
-áááááá MtMan-List: Boys make meat
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
-áááááá MtMan-List: What Caliber vs. Balls per Lb. [40 balls per pound]
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Boys make meat
-áááááá MtMan-List: off topic.....
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: off topic.....
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:40:15 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
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Wynn,
The number of balls to the pound is what the gauge would be. There is a =
link on the web that makes the transition but it's late. Your talking =
about a 40 gauge gun. That sounds a bit light for buffalo in round ball =
but round balls work miracles.=20
Capt. L
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Wynn Ormond=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:11 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
Can someone give me a rough idea how balls to a pound relates to =
caliber? Specifically, Sage refers to 40 balls to a pound as a minium =
for buffalo. What would that relate to that I would know?
Wynn Ormond
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wynn,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The number of balls to the pound is =
what the gauge=20
would be. There is a link on the web that makes the transition but it's =
late.=20
Your talking about a 40 gauge gun. That sounds a bit light for buffalo =
in round=20
ball but round balls work miracles. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Capt. L</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Dcheyenne@pcu.net href=3D"mailto:cheyenne@pcu.net">Wynn =
Ormond</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 20, 2003 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> MtMan-List: Caliber vs =
balls to=20
the pound</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can someone give me a rough idea =
how balls=20
to a pound relates to caliber? Specifically, Sage refers to =
40=20
balls to a pound as a minium for buffalo. What would that =
relate to=20
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 03:35:55 EDT
From: NaugaMok@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
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In a message dated 10/20/2003 9:16:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cheyenne@pcu.net writes:
> Specifically, Sage refers to 40 balls to a pound as a minium for buffalo.
> What would that relate to that I would know?
There's a gauge to caliber chart in the Dixie gunworks catalog. 40 gauge /
balls to the pound = .50 cal. 50/lb = .44 cal, 32/lb = 53 cal, 24/lb = .54
cal, & of course, 20/lb = .62 cal. Keep in mind when you're pouring ball for a
.50, you're running .490 or .495 diameter so you'll get slightly more than 40
balls / lb.
Nauga Mok
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
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ght Time, cheyenne@pcu.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2=
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> Specifically, Sage refers to 4=
0 balls to a pound as a minium for buffalo. What would that relate to=20=
that I would know?</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"></BLOCKQUO=
TE><BR>
<BR>
There's a gauge to caliber chart in the Dixie gunworks catalog. 40 gau=
ge / balls to the pound =3D .50 cal. 50/lb =3D .44 cal, 32/lb =3D 53 c=
al, 24/lb =3D .54 cal, & of course, 20/lb =3D .62 cal. Keep in min=
d when you're pouring ball for a .50, you're running .490 or .495 diameter s=
o you'll get slightly more than 40 balls / lb. <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D4=
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:10:02 +1300
From: Dunc <duncanm@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
Wynn wrote:
>Can someone give me a rough idea how balls to a pound relates to=20
>caliber? Specifically, Sage refers to 40 balls to a pound as a minium for=
=20
>buffalo. What would that relate to that I would know?
Gauge is measured in the number of spherical lead balls of that size to the=
=20
pound, ie a 12 ga has 12 balls to the lb, the .54 shoots a =BDoz ball there=
=20
for is a 32 gauge.. Your 40 to the pound ball would be a.488 ( realy .490)=
=20
cal. and weigh 175 grains this would be a shot from a .50 bore which should=
=20
be enough with a healthy dose of powder behind it. If you have an old=20
Dixie Gunworks catalogue you will find a list of gauges, etc in the=20
reference section in the back
Cheers Dunc=20
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:37:35 -0600
From: Dennis Knapp <dennis@clearsprings.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Boys make meat
After 10 days of hard desert sagebrush hunting both of my boys have made meat
with their smoke poles. Alan, 15, killed his mule deer with a Lyman GPR .54 cal
flintlock. Andy, 12, got his mule deer with a GabelaÆs Hawkins in .54 cal
percussion. So far I am still in the hunt. At least I can say, ôIÆve taught them
wellö.
AlanÆs deer was a result of a stalk on a group of 8-9 deer with a couple of
nice bucks in it. We saw them cross over a ridge so we headed out of the draw we
were in and circled around to intercept them in the next draw. I send Alan on
his way while Andy and I drove the truck around about 3 miles to come in east of
the deer. After parking and hiking about ╜ mile we came over a ridge and spooked
3 deer, one of them a small buck. The big group we were after were never to be
seen again. The deer headed toward Alan who was by this time sitting in some rim
rock. The deer came almost right to him and did not know he was there. At about
90 yards, Alan rose up his flintlock and fired, making contact with the buck, a
4x2. He reloaded using paper cartridges and put it down with a neck shot. I sent
my number 2 son to Alan and then I went to get the pack goats to carry out meat.
When I arrived back to the kill site, Alan had the deer gutted and ready to skin
and quarter.
Two days later Andy made meat for the first time. We had headed out before
daylight to get set up near a water hole and a draw that we knew deer liked to
use after watering. I set Andy up on the high end of the ridge, while I went on
down the ridge about 400 yards. As I approached my destination I spotted a small
buck coming up the ridge toward the water hole. I hunkered down in the rocks and
waited. In about 10 minutes this little buck came to within 22 yards of the
goats and me. I bleated a doe call a couple of times and the buck calmed right
down. He continued to feed and head to water. The boys spotted him and waited
till he crossed over the ridge top and then pursued him. I at the same time
followed him to water. We met up and hid in some bitterbrush and waited for him
to work his way back up the draw. Andy was shaking like a leaf as the deer came
into range, then abruptly turned away from him. Andy knew it was shoot now or
miss his opportunity. He rose up using his knee as a rest and took aim. His
first shot missed and fortunately the buck did not run off. His second shot
connected below a hind knee stopping the buck from running off. A third shot to
the neck put him down. AndyÆs first deer was a little 2x2, but a trophy in his
eyes as well as mine.
Now it is my turn. Both boys have killed mule deer with muzzleloaders and I
have yet to do so. We will be returning for 3 more days of hunting this weekend.
Hopefully the weather will turn cooler as the deer have not started their winter
migration in great numbers yet.
Regards,
Dennis Knapp aka Sticher
Southern Idaho
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:19:10 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
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Wynn,
Nauga Mok shared the info I was too sleepy to look up. I'd say that .50 =
cal might be the lower limit for a buffalo unless your willing to get =
"real close". <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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From: NaugaMok@aol.com=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Caliber vs balls to the pound
In a message dated 10/20/2003 9:16:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, =
cheyenne@pcu.net writes:
Specifically, Sage refers to 40 balls to a pound as a minium for =
buffalo. What would that relate to that I would know?
There's a gauge to caliber chart in the Dixie gunworks catalog. 40 =
gauge / balls to the pound =3D .50 cal. 50/lb =3D .44 cal, 32/lb =3D 53 =
cal, 24/lb =3D .54 cal, & of course, 20/lb =3D .62 cal. Keep in mind =
when you're pouring ball for a .50, you're running .490 or .495 diameter =
so you'll get slightly more than 40 balls / lb. =20
Nauga Mok
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wynn,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nauga Mok shared the info I was too =
sleepy to look=20
up. I'd say that .50 cal might be the lower limit for a buffalo unless =
your=20
willing to get "real close". <G></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Capt. Lahti'</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3DNaugaMok@aol.com =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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AM</DIV>
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Caliber vs balls=20
to the pound</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
face=3DArial size=3D3=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 10/20/2003 9:16:04 PM Pacific =
Daylight=20
Time, <A href=3D"mailto:cheyenne@pcu.net">cheyenne@pcu.net</A>=20
writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff"=20
face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">Specifically, Sage refers to 40 balls to a pound as a =
minium for=20
buffalo. What would that relate to that I would =
know?</FONT><FONT=20
lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=3DArial =
color=3D#000000 size=3D3=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>There's a gauge to caliber =
chart in=20
the Dixie gunworks catalog. 40 gauge / balls to the pound =3D =
.50=20
cal. 50/lb =3D .44 cal, 32/lb =3D 53 cal, 24/lb =3D .54 cal, =
& of course,=20
20/lb =3D .62 cal. Keep in mind when you're pouring ball for a =
.50, you're=20
running .490 or .495 diameter so you'll get slightly more than 40 =
balls /=20
lb. <BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: =
#ffffff"=20
face=3DMistral color=3D#000000 size=3D4 FAMILY=3D"SCRIPT">Nauga =
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:09:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: JONDMARINETTI@webtv.net (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: What Caliber vs. Balls per Lb. [40 balls per pound]
Wynn,
Pure Lead = .4097 lbs./cu.in.
Volume = 4/3 x Pi x radius cubed.
= 1/6 x Pi x diameter cubed.
= 0.52359878 x diameter cubed.
1/40 /.4097 /.52359878 and taking cube root = 0.4884 inch diameter pure
lead ball, or roughly 50 caliber, rounding up.
Dixie Gun Works has such a table published every year in their General
Information section of their annual catalog.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from Michigan
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:57:07 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Boys make meat
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Thanks for sharing your hunt with us Dennis.
Sounds like some fine doings.
Tell Alan and Andy well done for me.
It was good meeting them at Green River Lake sounds like they be some good
hands to have around camp. It's always good to have someone around camp that can
shoot center and can bring in the meat.
Be looking forward to see you and them again sometime on down the trail.
Crazy Cyot
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks for sharing your h=
unt with us Dennis.
<BR> Sounds like some fine doings.
<BR>Tell Alan and Andy well done for me.=20
<BR>It was good meeting them at Green River Lake sounds like they be some go=
od hands to have around camp. It's always good to have someone around camp t=
hat can shoot center and can bring in the meat.=20
<BR>Be looking forward to see you and them again sometime on down the trail.
<BR>Crazy Cyot
<BR> =20
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:01:37 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: off topic.....
I just had a F****** ayrian nation, neo-nazi, fascist pig in my house. My
stepdaughter unwittingly was keeping company with this creep and when he
stood in my living room tonight and began spouting that poisonous shit I
shut his ass down in what I will call a "raised voice". I gave my daughter
the opportunity to send him away before I did it at the point of a .45 and
to her everlasting credit she did. I told her that the next time won't be
nearly so harmonious as tonight. The SOB offered to bring me some
literature so I could read the "truth". I very impolitely declined the
offer. My daughter was stunned at what this maggot was saying and told me
afterwards that she didn't know that such people still existed. I told her
that they exist in entirely too many numbers and infect society like
gangrene.
I suppose my point is that these creeps inhabit every part of this country,
and you should tell your kids exactly what they are and what they stand for.
(Maybe a few photos of the nazi death camps would help.)
This beast is named Kelly and was polite to a fault. He doesn't present
himself as a goose stepping stormtrooper, although he does have a hard,
snaky look that I instantly disliked even before I knew what he was. These
animals reach out their tentacles and snare our kids with their bile and
suck them in with their lies and before you realize it you have lost a kid.
My daughter told me that this creature recently picked up my 22 month old
grandchild and admired his perfect ayrian features. She thought at the time
that it was an odd thing to say but didn't realize what he meant until
tonight. The very though makes my skin crawl.
Tell your kids. Now.
Lanney Ratcliff
lanneyratcliff@charter.net
______________________________________________________________
Aux Aliments du Pays
ps: I would like to hear from anybody who has an opposing view......offlist
if you please.
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 00:13:37 EDT
From: LivingInThePast@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: off topic.....
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In a message dated 10/22/2003 6:06:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
lanneyratcliff@charter.net writes:
Tell your kids. Now.
Amen Brother. One thing traveling has taught me, sadly; hate is being
perpetuated in the children throughout the world. Barney
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 23:05:51 +0000
From: "don secondine" <dmdhsecondine@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: off topic.....
You won't get an opposing view from me Lanney. I agree with your sentiments
and I think you showed strong character by not hanging the little b-------d.
Don Secondine in the Ohio Country
>From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net>
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: "History List" <hist_text@xmission.com>, "AMM" <ammlist@xmission.com>,
> "scalpdance" <scalpdance@yahoogroups.com>
>CC: "Danney Ratcliff" <d-ratcliff@sbcglobal.net>, "Kasey Weems"
><kaseyweems@charter.net>, "Tammy Ratcliff" <tammyratcliff@charter.net>,
>"Frank McAvoy" <frankm1225@aol.com>, "Mary Jewell"
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>Moon" <rjmoon@hotmail.com>, "Ricky Moon" <MOONRANCH@worldnet.att.net>,
>"Andy Moon" <hughmoon24@aol.com>, "Tommy Moon" <TOMMYMMOON1@comcast.net>
>Subject: MtMan-List: off topic.....
>Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:01:37 -0500
>
>I just had a F****** ayrian nation, neo-nazi, fascist pig in my house. My
>stepdaughter unwittingly was keeping company with this creep and when he
>stood in my living room tonight and began spouting that poisonous shit I
>shut his ass down in what I will call a "raised voice". I gave my
>daughter
>the opportunity to send him away before I did it at the point of a .45 and
>to her everlasting credit she did. I told her that the next time won't be
>nearly so harmonious as tonight. The SOB offered to bring me some
>literature so I could read the "truth". I very impolitely declined the
>offer. My daughter was stunned at what this maggot was saying and told me
>afterwards that she didn't know that such people still existed. I told her
>that they exist in entirely too many numbers and infect society like
>gangrene.
>I suppose my point is that these creeps inhabit every part of this country,
>and you should tell your kids exactly what they are and what they stand
>for.
>(Maybe a few photos of the nazi death camps would help.)
>This beast is named Kelly and was polite to a fault. He doesn't present
>himself as a goose stepping stormtrooper, although he does have a hard,
>snaky look that I instantly disliked even before I knew what he was. These
>animals reach out their tentacles and snare our kids with their bile and
>suck them in with their lies and before you realize it you have lost a kid.
>My daughter told me that this creature recently picked up my 22 month old
>grandchild and admired his perfect ayrian features. She thought at the
>time
>that it was an odd thing to say but didn't realize what he meant until
>tonight. The very though makes my skin crawl.
>Tell your kids. Now.
>
>Lanney Ratcliff
>lanneyratcliff@charter.net
>______________________________________________________________
>Aux Aliments du Pays
>
>ps: I would like to hear from anybody who has an opposing
>view......offlist
>if you please.
>
>
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