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Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1191
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hist_text-digest Wednesday, April 23 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1191
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: question
-áááááá MtMan-List: mirage....
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:40:19 EDT
From: Iambrainey@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: question
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"Hawk",
I appreciate the follow up. When you run across them in unpacking keep me in
mind. Ben
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I appreciate the follow up. When you run across them in unpacking keep=
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:42:16 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: question
Some of the items Hawk is referring to can be viewed online at:
http://www.kramers.org/hawknest/
John...
At 10:25 AM 4/21/03, you wrote:
>ben rainey
>it may have been me that sent you a set of patterns and instructions for
>making a shooting bag that i usto sell in a kit form---will be a couple
>of weeks before i can dragg out my files as they are packed for moving
>still have the instruction sheets but dont know if i have the patterns
>---the pattern was for a double beavertail bag with inner pockets for
>small tools and gun assessories it also had a patch knife sheeth that
>could be put on the strap or on the back side of the bag--the pattern was
>from a original bag i have that i made a copy of---I also have a pattern
>of a small hunting bag that is what i call a kidney bag---Very small and
>used with a small caliber hunting rifle also a original pattern---I liked
>both of them so much i made new ones like them to use. the double
>beavertail has a real wide strap at the top of the sholder and requires 2
>d rings and a couple of buckels ---the kidney bag has a brass push over
>closure that i dont use---
>
>"Hawk"
>
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:08:10 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: mirage....
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I got to doing some speed shooting (read two shots a minute...) with my Tulle
last week and got the barrel rather warm. Might have been just me, but seemed
that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my shots started hitting lower
(2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun cool, the next shot went right
back up on target....
Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to
compensate for it? Is shooting low always the end result...?
Nice work on the turkey Beaverboy..... I'm gonna terrorize em next week.
Magpie
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=
=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I got to doing some speed shooting (read two shots a m=
inute...) with my Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. Might have=
been just me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my shot=
s started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun cool,=
the next shot went right back up on target.... <BR>
Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to compensa=
te for it? Is shooting low always the end result...?<BR>
<BR>
Nice work on the turkey Beaverboy..... I'm gonna terrorize em next week.<BR>
<BR>
Magpie </FONT></HTML>
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Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:32:47 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
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I've gotten heat waves on my Chambers rifle that made me shoot high. =
Where you going after turkeys?
Capt. L
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From: SWcushing@aol.com=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 10:08 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: mirage....
I got to doing some speed shooting (read two shots a minute...) with =
my Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. Might have been just =
me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my shots =
started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun =
cool, the next shot went right back up on target....=20
Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to =
compensate for it? Is shooting low always the end result...?
Nice work on the turkey Beaverboy..... I'm gonna terrorize em next =
week.
Magpie
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've gotten heat waves on my Chambers =
rifle that=20
made me shoot high. Where you going after turkeys?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Capt. L</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3DSWcushing@aol.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 21, 2003 =
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mirage....</DIV>
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face=3DArial size=3D2=20
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I got to doing some speed shooting (read two =
shots a=20
minute...) with my Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. =
Might have=20
been just me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my =
shots=20
started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun =
cool, the=20
next shot went right back up on target.... <BR>Has anyone played with =
the=20
mirage effect while shooting, and how to compensate for it? Is =
shooting low=20
always the end result...?<BR><BR>Nice work on the turkey =
Beaverboy..... I'm=20
gonna terrorize em next week.<BR><BR>Magpie=20
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:25:06 -0400
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
magpie
when you get that change from heat from fireing real fast check the pins
or wedges in your rifle there is no movement in them they should be
slotted for and aft not up and down this will solve your problem ---only
the most forward one should hold the barrel fully down---
nuff said
"Hawk"
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 04:09:46 -0600 (MDT)
From: <beaverboy@sofast.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
Good Luck Hunting.
> I got to doing some speed shooting (read two shots a minute...) with my
> Tulle last week and got the barrel rather warm. Might have been just
> me, but seemed that with the mirage from the warm barrel, my shots
> started hitting lower (2-4inches) on the mark. After letting the gun
> cool, the next shot went right back up on target....
> Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to
> compensate for it? Is shooting low always the end result...?
>
> Nice work on the turkey Beaverboy..... I'm gonna terrorize em next week.
>
> Magpie
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 20:32:14 EDT
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
In a message dated 4/21/03 11:09:13 PM, SWcushing@aol.com writes:
<< Has anyone played with the mirage effect while shooting, and how to
compensate for it? Is shooting low always the end result...? >>
I used to have a .58 custom made Hawken (before there were kits and TC
Hawkens, etc.) with a 1 & 1/8" across-the-flats barrel. It was worst on a
sunny, snowy (meaning snow on the ground) day. I only noticed it in
competition target shooting. In the field I guess I was out of the sun and
not affected. Never did learn how to actually compensate for it except to
realize there were visual heat waves rising off it and take a litte time to
allow for it.
Richard James
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 12:59:04 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
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In a message dated 4/21/2003 10:33:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
amm1719@charter.net writes:
> I've gotten heat waves on my Chambers rifle that made me shoot high.
Hi Capt.... Yeah, go figure. I would have thought the rising "air" off the
hot barrel would "lift" the mark also....and it would shoot high. Maybe it's
the thin walled Tulle barrel being pulled down as it warms up, like Hawk
sez... I'll play with it some more...
<<Where you going after turkeys?>>
I think Johnny and I are going up in the NE by Biscuit's camp.... Sez he's
got some Jakes that will eat out of his hand, so maybe we'll use him as a
decoy...
Magpie
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ght Time, amm1719@charter.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
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ambers rifle that made me shoot high. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Hi Capt.... Yeah, go figure. I would have thought the rising "air" off the h=
ot barrel would "lift" the mark also....and it would shoot high. Maybe it's=20=
the thin walled Tulle barrel being pulled down as it warms up, like Hawk sez=
... I'll play with it some more...<BR>
<BR>
<<Where you going after turkeys?>><BR>
I think Johnny and I are going up in the NE by Biscuit's camp.... Sez he's g=
ot some Jakes that will eat out of his hand, so maybe we'll use him as a dec=
oy...<BR>
<BR>
Magpie</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SI=
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Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:45:11 -0700
From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: mirage....
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I think Johnny and I are going up in the NE by Biscuit's camp.... Sez =
he's got some Jakes that will eat out of his hand, so maybe we'll use =
him as a decoy...
Sounds like a good idea. Aim careful. Don't want to just wound.
My problem was part mirage and part rear sight too far back. I moved =
it forward about 6 inches and it works much better.=20
I'm not sure that I will get out after turkeys at all this year. We'll =
just have to see how it goes. Have fun and bring home a big beard.
Capt. L
Magpie
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Sounds like a good idea. Aim careful. Don't want =
to just=20
wound.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">My problem was part mirage and part rear sight =
too far=20
back. I moved it forward about 6 inches and it works much better.=20
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">I'm not sure that I will get out after turkeys at =
all this=20
year. We'll just have to see how it goes. Have fun and bring home a =
big=20
beard.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 =
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">Capt. L<BR></DIV>
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