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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1190 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, April 21 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1190 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: Rifle Kit -áááááá MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Kit -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Kit -áááááá MtMan-List: Turkeys 0, Trappers 1 -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Turkeys 0, Trappers 1 -áááááá MtMan-List: question -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 07:25:35 -0600 (MDT) From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle Kit Dear List, I received my Pecatonica River gun kit a few days ago! I am extremely pleased with it. Richard Greensides was a very pleasant person to work with. He promised it in two weeks and I got it in three weeks which was quite alright with me. All the wood and metal parts were of excellent quality. I ended up choosing the Transitional Southern rifle in .54 caliber with a 36 inch Green Mountain barrel with the 1-70" twist. I look forward to many hunting trips packing this fine rifle around. I would highly recommend Pecatonica River Long River Supply to anyone looking for a nice gun kit. bb - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:14:34 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat Mark You asked: <Hello the camp just order a 80% beaver felt but need some sugestions. How high should the crown be? Should it have a band on the out side "hat band"? Should it have a sweat band on the inside?> To all questions: Yes and No and not so high and very high. Waddayawant? And what do you want it to be? I don't believe the RMFT guys had any fixed style or uniform. Do what floats yer stick. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, AR http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:38:19 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <lanneyratcliff@charter.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Kit bb I found the web site for your rifle kit supplier: http://www.longrifles-pr.com/ Pretty good looking site. I was a little confused at first before I realized that you meant to say "......Long RIFLE Supply" instead of " Long River Supply". Lanney - ----- Original Message ----- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> To: <hist_text@xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:25 AM Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle Kit > Dear List, > I received my Pecatonica River gun kit a few days ago! I am > extremely pleased with it. Richard Greensides was a very pleasant > person to work with. He promised it in two weeks and I got it in > three weeks which was quite alright with me. All the wood and metal > parts were of excellent quality. > I ended up choosing the Transitional Southern rifle in .54 caliber > with a 36 inch Green Mountain barrel with the 1-70" twist. I look > forward to many hunting trips packing this fine rifle around. > I would highly recommend Pecatonica River Long River Supply to > anyone looking for a nice gun kit. > bb > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 14:14:54 -0600 (MDT) From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rifle Kit You are correct sir. I caught it the first time but missed that on the last sentence. When I till friends where I got it they usually say "Peca..What?" bb > bb > I found the web site for your rifle kit supplier: > http://www.longrifles-pr.com/ Pretty good looking site. I was a little > confused at first before I realized that you meant to say "......Long > RIFLE Supply" instead of " Long River Supply". > Lanney > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> > To: <hist_text@xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 8:25 AM > Subject: MtMan-List: Rifle Kit > > >> Dear List, >> I received my Pecatonica River gun kit a few days ago! I am >> extremely pleased with it. Richard Greensides was a very pleasant >> person to work with. He promised it in two weeks and I got it in three >> weeks which was quite alright with me. All the wood and metal parts >> were of excellent quality. >> I ended up choosing the Transitional Southern rifle in .54 >> caliber >> with a 36 inch Green Mountain barrel with the 1-70" twist. I look >> forward to many hunting trips packing this fine rifle around. >> I would highly recommend Pecatonica River Long River Supply to >> anyone looking for a nice gun kit. >> bb >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------- >> hist_text list info: >> http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html >> > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:16:30 -0600 (MDT) From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Turkeys 0, Trappers 1 Dear List, After 1112 miles of driving, 5 days and a lot of money, I got my spring Gobbler! It's my second spring gobbler with my fusee! I've killed a ton of turkeys but none mean more to me than the ones I get with my fusee! I went hunting this morning as I figured all the good Christians would be home or at church like they should be. That would leave the woods to serious turkey hunting heathens like myself. Just kidding, I prayed while up there and gave thanks. I also never worked so hard in my life for a Tom. God made me pay for this Gobbler. There was a snowstorm up there Friday and only a little bit of it had melted since then. I was walking in snow up to my knees at times. It was a crusty snow too, which was extremely noisy in the early morning frost. I no sooner took several steps on the crunching snow and just about turned around to go home. But you don't get gobblers sitting at home do you? Only two others guys were there, a couple of young Bucks from Bozeman. We discussed where we all planned to go as not to mess up our hunts. They were staying together and staying low, I would go high.I cut their tracks once in the snow early on but never again. I know this area well so headed up to the high country. The higher I got the deeper the snow got. I've hunted this area for at least 14 years if not longer and these were the worse conditions I ever encountered. The hard crusty snow was deep, noisy but not strong enough to hold me. I'm sure it was strong enough to hold the turkeys though. I followed in some fresh elk tracks when I could. I was plum worn out before too long. I was even packing my .44 pistol as this is good black bear country and I have a bear tag. I know I can kill a black bear with my fusee but I can't switch from shot to ball very quickly. I guess I could pack my .54 capper pistol. I never thought of that till just now. I guess it doesn't matter as I can load up with ball and go for just bear from now on. Anyway, I heard some gobbling but way up high so I started my assent. Merriam's turkeys are true mountain turkeys and they like it up high. Just below tree line is just fine with them. I messed around with several jakes I sneaked up on but they were too shy. I ended up calling in an almost silent Tom. He only gobbled 4 times all morning. I just happen to be in the right place at the right time when he gobbled last. I did some soft yelps on my good old Roger Latham slate call and within five minutes he came up through the thick ponderosa pine forest. I first mistook his legs moving in the distant timber for elk legs till I caught a glimpse of him in sunny spot and got a quick look and realized how much closer it was then I first thought. I sweet-talked him in the final five yards with just my mouth doing soft putts and clucks. He never knew what hit him. 25 yard shot with an ounce of #5 shot and 85 grains of ff, ffff for priming. I don't have a vent liner; just a hole coned on the outside, but had a very quick ignition with a hand knapped flint. He went down like a ton of bricks. I twisted his neck and gave thanks. He showed up so quickly (this time, after hearing him gobble 3 times in 2 hours over 1 mile of mountainside and him never coming in) that I didn't have time to get overly excited or even think about it. This has been a typical opening week of turkey hunting in Montana; we had record highs of 80+ degrees and ended the week with knee-deep snow! My Tom weighs 19 pounds with the guts and has a 6 1/2" beard. Spurs not worth mentioning. I'm glad I got him; the world doesn't need any more silent Toms! We have to wipe that gene pool out! I thank God for a fine hunt and wish all you other turkey hunters have good luck; I'm going to bed now. Happy Easter Beaverboy - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 15:47:44 -0700 From: "roger lahti" <amm1719@charter.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Turkeys 0, Trappers 1 > I thank God for a fine hunt and wish all you other turkey hunters > have good luck; I'm going to bed now. > Happy Easter > Beaverboy Well done and well told. Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:07:22 EDT From: Iambrainey@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: question - --part1_181.19d580cf.2bd49e4a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable question: I looked up the "old pouch/shooting bag" project on the website=20 but can't link to the pictures.=A0 Can someone email the appropriate jpgs to= me=20 and/or other shooting bag pics?=A0 I'm looking for any good examples.=A0=20 Someone on the list emailed me pictures and description a couple of years ag= o=20 but was lost when the ol' computer died. Thanks,=A0 Ben Rainey, Maryland - --part1_181.19d580cf.2bd49e4a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML>question: I looked up the "old pouch/shooting ba= g" project on the website but can't link to the pictures.=A0 Can someone ema= il the appropriate jpgs to me and/or other shooting bag pics?=A0 I'm looking= for any good examples.=A0 Someone on the list emailed me pictures and description a couple of years ag= o but was lost when the ol' computer died. Thanks,=A0 Ben Rainey, Maryland </HTML> - --part1_181.19d580cf.2bd49e4a_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:36:39 -0600 From: "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat Mark I had hoped you would get a better responce than you have so I will throw in for what its worth. Crown: Millers hats look mostly like skull caps, so low in some cases they would not come down as far most guys like a hat to fit. His one exception is the one that Stewart wears which is dark and made higher and then shaped to be about as low. The couple other later artists are not as consistant. Kurtz shows plenty of variety; some that could pass for regular cowboy hats. Nick Point 1841 shows RMFT John Grey in a light colored hat similar in design to Stewarts. His full view of a "Free Hunter" appears to have a hat that is at least not as low as Millers. Brim The width varies all over the place, as does the shape. Color We see plenty of both light and dark and some trade lists are more specific but that is out of my realm. Bands Just working from memory I think that Miller shows a lot of stuff being on the hats so there must be some kind of band holding it. I know of one referance to Freeman wearing ribbons on their hats. I think the interior band is personal preferance. If I were having a hat made it would have one because it gives the hat a lot of definition and sizing. Since I am cheap most of my hats aren't that fancy and they dont have interior bands. Personal comment I sometimes worry that we end up looking a little to cowboy. Not that it isnt documented but leather leggings over cloth pants, a hat that is shaped quite a bit like a flat cowboy hat, and lose shirt leave a pretty cowboy look. I personally like to find a hat on someones head in a piece of art work and try for that look. Dont be afraid to turn the back or the front up a little like Miller shows Walker. Lower crowns avoid the look of just modifying an old cowboy hat. Good luck on getting what might be an old friend. Wynn Ormond - ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Fusco <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> To: hist_text-digest <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat > Mark > You asked: > <Hello the camp just order a 80% beaver felt but need some sugestions. > How high should the crown be? > Should it have a band on the out side "hat band"? > Should it have a sweat band on the inside?> > To all questions: Yes and No and not so high and very high. > Waddayawant? And what do you want it to be? I don't believe the RMFT > guys had any fixed style or uniform. Do what floats yer stick. > > Frank G. Fusco > Mountain Home, AR > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:44:18 -0700 From: tetontodd@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat Mark, Check out this site if you want to look at some styles http://www.clearwaterhats.com/ Teton On Sun, 20 Apr 2003 21:36:39 -0600 "Wynn Ormond" <cheyenne@pcu.net> writes: > Mark > > I had hoped you would get a better responce than you have so I will > throw in > for what its worth. > > Crown: > Millers hats look mostly like skull caps, so low in some cases they > would > not come down as far most guys like a hat to fit. His one exception > is the > one that Stewart wears which is dark and made higher and then shaped > to be > about as low. The couple other later artists are not as consistant. > Kurtz > shows plenty of variety; some that could pass for regular cowboy > hats. Nick > Point 1841 shows RMFT John Grey in a light colored hat similar in > design to > Stewarts. His full view of a "Free Hunter" appears to have a hat > that is > at least not as low as Millers. > > Brim > The width varies all over the place, as does the shape. > > Color > We see plenty of both light and dark and some trade lists are more > specific > but that is out of my realm. > > Bands > Just working from memory I think that Miller shows a lot of stuff > being on > the hats so there must be some kind of band holding it. I know of > one > referance to Freeman wearing ribbons on their hats. I think the > interior > band is personal preferance. If I were having a hat made it would > have one > because it gives the hat a lot of definition and sizing. Since I am > cheap > most of my hats aren't that fancy and they dont have interior > bands. > > Personal comment > I sometimes worry that we end up looking a little to cowboy. Not > that it > isnt documented but leather leggings over cloth pants, a hat that is > shaped > quite a bit like a flat cowboy hat, and lose shirt leave a pretty > cowboy > look. I personally like to find a hat on someones head in a piece > of art > work and try for that look. Dont be afraid to turn the back or the > front up > a little like Miller shows Walker. Lower crowns avoid the look of > just > modifying an old cowboy hat. > > Good luck on getting what might be an old friend. > Wynn Ormond > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Frank Fusco <Rifleman1776@centurytel.net> > To: hist_text-digest <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 6:14 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat > > > > Mark > > You asked: > > <Hello the camp just order a 80% beaver felt but need some > sugestions. > > How high should the crown be? > > Should it have a band on the out side "hat band"? > > Should it have a sweat band on the inside?> > > To all questions: Yes and No and not so high and very high. > > Waddayawant? And what do you want it to be? I don't believe > the RMFT > > guys had any fixed style or uniform. Do what floats yer stick. > > > > Frank G. Fusco > > Mountain Home, AR > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ozarksmuzzleloaders/ > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 00:06:19 EDT From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mtn Man felt hat - --part1_70.2d370ef4.2bd4c83b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good references on hats-- thanks for the info. John R. Sweet - --part1_70.2d370ef4.2bd4c83b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML>Good references on hats-- thanks for the info. John R. Sweet </HTML> - --part1_70.2d370ef4.2bd4c83b_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:25:09 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: question ben rainey it may have been me that sent you a set of patterns and instructions for making a shooting bag that i usto sell in a kit form---will be a couple of weeks before i can dragg out my files as they are packed for moving still have the instruction sheets but dont know if i have the patterns - ---the pattern was for a double beavertail bag with inner pockets for small tools and gun assessories it also had a patch knife sheeth that could be put on the strap or on the back side of the bag--the pattern was from a original bag i have that i made a copy of---I also have a pattern of a small hunting bag that is what i call a kidney bag---Very small and used with a small caliber hunting rifle also a original pattern---I liked both of them so much i made new ones like them to use. the double beavertail has a real wide strap at the top of the sholder and requires 2 d rings and a couple of buckels ---the kidney bag has a brass push over closure that i dont use--- "Hawk" ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! 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