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Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1192
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hist_text-digest Saturday, May 3 2003 Volume 01 : Number 1192
In this issue:
-áááááá MtMan-List: Trade Gun?
-áááááá MtMan-List:History Channel
-áááááá MtMan-List: TL&R Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: Straighting Antler
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:History Channel
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:History Channel
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Straighting Antler
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:History Channel
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: TL&R Question
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Trade Gun?
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Trade Gun & Nanook
-áááááá MtMan-List: Jim Bridger
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:18:25 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: MtMan-List: Trade Gun?
Dear List,
I was at the Gun Show today and one merchant had a trade gun of sorts
for sale. Perhaps someone knows more about it. It seem to be about .20
ga with a 52" barrel. It had no markings other than two very small
barrel proof marks, which I couldn't even make out. The barrel was
octagon to round, very slender at the breech with one very weak wedding
band. The stock was very slender, more so than any other trade gun I've
ever seen. It also had no serpent side plate but a simple brass plate.
Another gun trader there said it was a Belgian made trade gun for the
African natives. He said these were made or at least sold up until the
1950's out of a catalog called Stokers.
He didn't want much for it but I would have been afraid to load it too
hot as the barrel was soon thin at the breech.
Does anyone know more about this type of gun?
bb
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:01:04 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List:History Channel
Hello the camp
Here are a few programs that might be of interest Monday on the History
Channel.
12 AM to 4 PM Mountain time also earlier starting at 6 AM
Frontier Legends
12 Noon Rogers Rangers
1 PM Pontiac's Rebellion
2 PM Long Knifes
3 PM Tecumseh
Louisiana Purchase 7 PM
Technology of Lewis and Clark 8 PM
Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 15:11:33 -0400
From: "Jim Zeigler" <kodiak@ptd.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: TL&R Question
Hello the camp: I have been an associate member of the AMM for abour 15 yrs
now. Somehow I left my membership lapse and am now missing the last two
issues
(nov. 02, and feb. 03 ) of the TL&R. I have saved all the issues since
joining and would really appreciate any help
in getting these back issues....Thank you in advance..jim
kodiak@ptd.net
ps: Please respond off list as I fully understand this is off topic....
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:22:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: TheGreyWolfe@webtv.net (The Grey Wolfe)
Subject: MtMan-List: Straighting Antler
Ho the List!
I've got a nice piece of crown end antler that I
what to rehaft and old knife blade with,my question to the group is can
I boil and soften like bone so I can straighten it for a better fit ?
Your Servant,
Michael A. Smith
http://community.webtv.net/TheGreyWolfe/THELONGHUNTERSCAMP
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:41:39 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:History Channel
Mark,
The "Technology of L&C" special features members of the group I
belong to, the Lewis & Clark Honor Guard of Great Falls, Montana.
They'll be the ones pulling around the dugout on a cart. Thought you
might like to know.
Beaverboy
> Hello the camp
> Here are a few programs that might be of interest Monday on the History
> Channel.
> 12 AM to 4 PM Mountain time also earlier starting at 6 AM
> Frontier Legends
> 12 Noon Rogers Rangers
> 1 PM Pontiac's Rebellion
> 2 PM Long Knifes
> 3 PM Tecumseh
>
> Louisiana Purchase 7 PM
>
> Technology of Lewis and Clark 8 PM
>
> Thanks Mark "Roadkill" Loader
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:26:32 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:History Channel
Beaver boy which one are you and who else?
Thanks for the info
Mark
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:29:01 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Straighting Antler
Michael
I did not know you could boil and soften bone
Mark "Roadkill" Loader
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Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:16:12 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:History Channel
Mark,
I'm not in it. I was there bright and early with the rest of the crew
but had to leave. I didn't mind. I've been with the group on lots of
other shoots and most of them really are a pain. Lots of takes after
takes.
I'm not sure how much they are going to use but they were mostly
interested in our dugout, tools and having some of our youngest
members filmed for the show. So don't be surprised if all you see
of most of the guys are their feet and legs as they pull the
dugout. I don't have the History Channel but will see a tape
sooner or later.
We did a shoot for the BBC several years ago were we pulled one of our
dugouts again. Since they already had British actors for the roles
they only filmed our hands, feet and legs and long shots. So our
feet,and legs are up for acting awards!
We did the show Extreme Cuisine, on the food channel, a few years ago
where we cooked a bunch of dead critters. I cooked a beaver. I really
don't care if I ever look in a camera again. We, as a group, are more
concerned about educating and inspiring the public about this
incredibly era in American history.
I did find myself on the enternet the other day. Go to Altavista,
Images and type in Beaver Skinner. Thats me. I remember that guy
taking that picture. It's a posed photo but I was in the process of
skinning a beaver for the crowd. One photographer asked me to remove
my brass wedding ring and I told him,"No! I bought this brass ring
here at the fort, take your picture quick as I have a beaver to skin".
He took it quick. You got to love them journalist!
bb
I hope the History Channel does justice for the boys. They really work
hard and know their stuff. They are the greatest bunch of guys I've had
the honor of being associated with.
> Beaver boy which one are you and who else?
> Thanks for the info
> Mark
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 07:27:39 -0600
From: Allen Hall <allenhall@srv.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: TL&R Question
Answered off list.
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:22:59 -0700
From: Pat Quilter <pat_quilter@qscaudio.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Trade Gun?
For what it's worth
The man who made the silent-movie documentary "Nanook of the North" also
made one called "Grass" in about 1923-4, that records the annual migration
of a nomadic tribe across a large mountain range, I think in Asia, before
this event was lost to encroaching civilization. Highlights include swimming
the tribe's animals across a raging river using large bladders for
flotation. amd chopping a path across the snow-bound pass. The first part of
the film records the filming expedition making the first motorized trek
across 1000 miles of trackless desert, a feat in itself. Anyway, their
native guide and hunter uses a long trade gun similar to the Belgian one
described below. They filmed a kill (obviously staged for the camera) but he
is described as a deadly shot despite the crudeness of the weapon. So this
corroborates in a general way that these trade guns continued to be sold
into undeveloped regions that needed an extremely low-tech weapon. This film
was released on laser disc some years ago, it may now be available on more
popular formats.
Was the trade gun for sale a flinter or percussion?
Pat Quilter
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From: beaverboy@sofast.net [mailto:beaverboy@sofast.net]
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:18 PM
To: hist_text@xmission.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Trade Gun?
Dear List,
I was at the Gun Show today and one merchant had a trade gun of sorts
for sale. Perhaps someone knows more about it. It seem to be about .20
ga with a 52" barrel. It had no markings other than two very small
barrel proof marks, which I couldn't even make out. The barrel was
octagon to round, very slender at the breech with one very weak wedding
band. The stock was very slender, more so than any other trade gun I've
ever seen. It also had no serpent side plate but a simple brass plate.
Another gun trader there said it was a Belgian made trade gun for the
African natives. He said these were made or at least sold up until the
1950's out of a catalog called Stokers.
He didn't want much for it but I would have been afraid to load it too
hot as the barrel was soon thin at the breech.
Does anyone know more about this type of gun?
bb
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Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:14:03 -0600 (MDT)
From: beaverboy@sofast.net
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Trade Gun & Nanook
It was a flinter. The lock was in almost new condition. The gun as a
whole was in fair condition but the furniture fit poorly etc. He was
asking only $150 for it and was firm. It would have made an
interesting piece to carry around the woods but I'm not sure I would
have wanted to load it up good like I do with my North Star. There
were 3 other guys interested in it and I figured they needed it more
than me. I swore I would not buy another gun when I walked in there.
I bought only 2 books and a first-aid kit. The one book is The
Plainsmen of the Yellowstone by Mark Brown and is a very good read.
The other book is a reprint of an old trapping book originally printed
in 1881, Camp Life in the Woods and tricks of trapping by W.Hamilton
Gibson isbn 1-58574-482-4 It has some very interesting and now illegal
traps illustrated in it. One thing that instantly caught my eye was a
drawing of a "Bird whistle" but it is clearly a diaphragm call! This is
an 1881 book too! These diaphragm calls have been around for a long
time evidently!
I saw "Nanook of the North" a year ago on the Turner Classic channel
and it is an excellent film! I thought Johnny Carson was always kidding
when he'd mention Nanook of the North. If any get the chance to see
"Nanook" watch it. It is a classic documentary! I still recall the
scene were Nanook catches a artic fox in a trap and simply hog tied it
until they built a snow igloo. It was the only way he could keep it
from freezing solid before he could skin it out. Very interesting.
bb
> For what it's worth
> The man who made the silent-movie documentary "Nanook of the North" also
> made one called "Grass" in about 1923-4, that records the annual migration
> of a nomadic tribe across a large mountain range, I think in Asia, before
> this event was lost to encroaching civilization. Highlights include
> swimming
> the tribe's animals across a raging river using large bladders for
> flotation. amd chopping a path across the snow-bound pass. The first part
> of
> the film records the filming expedition making the first motorized trek
> across 1000 miles of trackless desert, a feat in itself. Anyway, their
> native guide and hunter uses a long trade gun similar to the Belgian one
> described below. They filmed a kill (obviously staged for the camera) but
> he
> is described as a deadly shot despite the crudeness of the weapon. So this
> corroborates in a general way that these trade guns continued to be sold
> into undeveloped regions that needed an extremely low-tech weapon. This
> film
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Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 08:07:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Jim Bridger
Hi Tom! Hope all is well with you and yours. A
friend of mine from Kentucky is planning a trip west,
and is passing through Kansas City. He was wondering
exactly where Jim Bridger was buried, and I couldn't
remember. I know it is in one of the suburbs, and
used to know the cemetery name, but it has escaped me.
Can you help me out? Thanks, Ron
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