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hist_text-digest        Sunday, August 2 1998        Volume 01 : Number 117




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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:18:13 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Preserving a Snake Skin

In a message dated 98-08-01 14:08:44 EDT, you write:

<< Please advise your methods of skinning the
 snake and preserving the skin. >>

Skin snake by slitting from middle lower lip to tip of tail. Actually start at
the anal opening and work in both directions. Remove excess fat or muscle
tissue. Stretch the skin out by tacking or nailing it to a board. Best
preservative for snake skins is a mixture of equal amounts of Alum, non-
iodized salt and neatsfoot oil. Spread the mixture on thick, it is like an
oily paste. Keep adding mixture as it is absorbed or dries. It takes about
7-10 days depending on temperature. The skin is fully cured, preserved and the
scales won't shed. I got this recipe from a professional "tanner" in Florida.
I have used it on 5 large rattlesnakes and it worked great. Initially the skin
is oily from the neatsfoot oil but you can wipe off the excess. Skin can be
glued down, but you need to remove excess oil. Only skins I've glued have been
on bow backs and I used hide glue. Some folks will soak skins in anti-freeze
to preserve. However, this method is not always permanent. Manytimes the skin
will shed scales and if the skin gets wet it will rot.

Ghosting Wolf

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:42:27 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Preserving a Snake Skin

Take pains to keep the knife blade out of the bladder.  Take my word for
that!!
Lanney Ratcliff
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Preserving a Snake Skin


>In a message dated 98-08-01 14:08:44 EDT, you write:
>
><< Please advise your methods of skinning the
> snake and preserving the skin. >>
>
>Skin snake by slitting from middle lower lip to tip of tail. Actually start
at
>the anal opening and work in both directions. Remove excess fat or muscle
>tissue. Stretch the skin out by tacking or nailing it to a board. Best
>preservative for snake skins is a mixture of equal amounts of Alum, non-
>iodized salt and neatsfoot oil. Spread the mixture on thick, it is like an
>oily paste. Keep adding mixture as it is absorbed or dries. It takes about
>7-10 days depending on temperature. The skin is fully cured, preserved and
the
>scales won't shed. I got this recipe from a professional "tanner" in
Florida.
>I have used it on 5 large rattlesnakes and it worked great. Initially the
skin
>is oily from the neatsfoot oil but you can wipe off the excess. Skin can be
>glued down, but you need to remove excess oil. Only skins I've glued have
been
>on bow backs and I used hide glue. Some folks will soak skins in
anti-freeze
>to preserve. However, this method is not always permanent. Manytimes the
skin
>will shed scales and if the skin gets wet it will rot.
>
>Ghosting Wolf
>

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:53:58 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: commercial leather clothes

John,
If you first rough up the smooth side of the hide, it will assist in the
dyeing. Rit dye is Ok, I like to use a commercial powered leather dye, It
is very expensive but you use very little. I carry small amount of it on
hand.
I can't remember what I paid for it but will check and get back to you. air
brushing with a leather dye such as Flembing or a concetrated amt of
powered leather dye mixed with water.  Costume designers use what is called
"fullers dirt" I get it from a Hollywood costume studio. Always start with
a light amt to see what the leather does with the dye, then go darker if
you wish or wash with some bleach to lighten.
Joe

Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
Write for custom tanning prices
We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
hair on robes
Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:19:25 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Joe Brandl)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Preserving a Snake Skin

Phil,
One of the best means of tanning a snake skin is by using glyerin, a hand
softner. I usually get the kind with rose water in it as it makes the skin
smell better. Use a pair of small scissors and cut the snake up the belly,
be careful around the anus and on down the tail. pull the skin slowly off
from the head to the tail. Once the skin is off, scrape any fat and
conective tissure from flesh side. I like to use a paper stapler to staple
the skin flesh side up to a pine board. Allow the skin to dry first than
pour some glyerin on the skin and rub in. put on about 2 or 3 coats. allow
each coat to dry, Use a razor to cut the skin from the staples. or you can
pull all those things.
Joe

Absaroka Western Designs and Tannery
Call us about our professional home tanning kit-307-455-2440
Write for custom tanning prices
We produce rawhide lampshades and carry a large selection of leather and
hair on robes
Fine lodgepole furniture, pillows, Indian reproductions, paintings, baskets
check out our new web site: http://www.onpages.com/absaroka

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:06:19 -0500
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Preserving a Snake Skin

I would note there is a distinct difference in the quality neatsfoot oils.  I
have had excellent results with "pure neatsfoot oil" I have had distressing
results (read: ruined leather) with "compounded neatsfoot oil."  Compounded is
the most common you find, be sure of what you buy.

If you use hot hide glue it will stick the hide down nicely.Do clean off
excess
oil first, a little alcohol should help.

I skinned several snakes as a kid, I remember slitting them stem to stern and
peeling the skin off like a grape, pulling with a pair of pliers.

Skins hold up pretty well if you simply scrape them clean and tack flesh side
up on a board and dry them.  I think I used a couple boxes of my mother sewing
pins.  I wore a copperhead done that way for several years as a hat band and
think it may still be laying around somewhere, now 40 some years latter.
There
was some scale flaking and last I saw, it looked pretty sad, so a little
dressing can't hurt, the first recipe below sounds about right.   The
anti-freeze leaves me cold.

Might want to thaw your critter out first.

John...



At 05:18 PM 8/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-08-01 14:08:44 EDT, you write:
>
><< Please advise your methods of skinning the
> snake and preserving the skin. >>
>
>Skin snake by slitting from middle lower lip to tip of tail. Actually
start at
>the anal opening and work in both directions. Remove excess fat or muscle
>tissue. Stretch the skin out by tacking or nailing it to a board. Best
>preservative for snake skins is a mixture of equal amounts of Alum, non-
>iodized salt and neatsfoot oil. Spread the mixture on thick, it is like an
>oily paste. Keep adding mixture as it is absorbed or dries. It takes about
>7-10 days depending on temperature. The skin is fully cured, preserved and
the
>scales won't shed. I got this recipe from a professional "tanner" in Florida.
>I have used it on 5 large rattlesnakes and it worked great. Initially the
skin
>is oily from the neatsfoot oil but you can wipe off the excess. Skin can be
>glued down, but you need to remove excess oil. Only skins I've glued have
been
>on bow backs and I used hide glue. Some folks will soak skins in anti-freeze
>to preserve. However, this method is not always permanent. Manytimes the skin
>will shed scales and if the skin gets wet it will rot.
>
>Ghosting Wolf
>
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:05:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Regard to the List:

Having just returned from the Canoe Trip From Hell, I have decided my
remaining energy and ask two questions at the same time.

First, however, thank you to everyone who sent me information or opinions
about painting a poly canoe.  It was useful.

Second, if I had tried to paint the canoe, this weekend would have
"antiqued" it to death.  Only 10 to 13 miles, at least two of which was
dragging or carrying canoes over rocks or shallows.  A joy as the weight was
unusual as we took a great deal of water due to the weather.  103 degrees
actual temperature.  The owner of the property where we started stated
several matters which should have given us a clue.  {{{{Dam (our unexpected
takeout as everyone was in a state of collaspe) is "Oh, bout ten or so miles
or so.  Never been that far down river.  Suspect you will do a little
walking.  Don't expect no breeze between the steep banks."}}}}}

The only point he was accurate on pertained to the breeze, and then only to
a degree.   As we melted, searching of a snippet of shade, we needed a
breeze or three to cool the sweat.  When we did hit water, and I mean where
it was of a depth where a paddle stroke would make the canoe go forward, the
wind was strong in our faces."

Mother Jones raised a fool.

Questions:

Where can I purchase fresh buffalo meat which can be delivered via air for a
rendezvous?  What cuts do you recommend?

Can you give me some suggestions for shooting events that are not, I repeat
not, related to paper targets?  The more historically correct, or unusal the
better.

Thanks again.  I love this list.

Mother Jones' Better Forgotten Son
Paul W. Jones
[e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:58:56 -0700
From: [e-mail] (john c funk,jr)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Preserving a Snake Skin

Phil,

Yes, you can glue a skinned snake hide if you don't salt it.  And, that
is critical.  Don't salt it.  It  can be glued with hide glue to leather
quite easily.
Take a pair of sharp siccors and cut it up the middle.  Peel off the
meat, bone (body) from the skin.  DO NOT SCRAPE, but do remove any
"meat".  Roll up the skin if you want keep it and freeze if you want to
save it.  If your ready to use it, rub hide glue into the skin AND the
piece of leather you want it to adhere to.  Apply pressure (not heavy
pressure) to both sides and let dry.

Since your snake is frozen it must be thawed and used immediately.  It
cannot (should not) be refrozen.  If you don't plan on using it right
away,  don't do anything till your ready.

Good luck

John Funk

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will call him friend.

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:12:10 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Pablo...
 Tolt ya there wern't no damn water left enough to canoe on....And whats a
matter..Loose your shootin iron in a crooked whist game? Caint shoot yer own
damn meat!?!?!
Dennis


   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 9:14 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events


>Regard to the List:
>
>Having just returned from the Canoe Trip From Hell, I have decided my
>remaining energy and ask two questions at the same time.
>
>First, however, thank you to everyone who sent me information or opinions
>about painting a poly canoe.  It was useful.
>
>Second, if I had tried to paint the canoe, this weekend would have
>"antiqued" it to death.  Only 10 to 13 miles, at least two of which was
>dragging or carrying canoes over rocks or shallows.  A joy as the weight
was
>unusual as we took a great deal of water due to the weather.  103 degrees
>actual temperature.  The owner of the property where we started stated
>several matters which should have given us a clue.  {{{{Dam (our unexpected
>takeout as everyone was in a state of collaspe) is "Oh, bout ten or so
miles
>or so.  Never been that far down river.  Suspect you will do a little
>walking.  Don't expect no breeze between the steep banks."}}}}}
>
>The only point he was accurate on pertained to the breeze, and then only to
>a degree.   As we melted, searching of a snippet of shade, we needed a
>breeze or three to cool the sweat.  When we did hit water, and I mean where
>it was of a depth where a paddle stroke would make the canoe go forward,
the
>wind was strong in our faces."
>
>Mother Jones raised a fool.
>
>Questions:
>
>Where can I purchase fresh buffalo meat which can be delivered via air for
a
>rendezvous?  What cuts do you recommend?
>
>Can you give me some suggestions for shooting events that are not, I repeat
>not, related to paper targets?  The more historically correct, or unusal
the
>better.
>
>Thanks again.  I love this list.
>
>Mother Jones' Better Forgotten Son
>Paul W. Jones
>[e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 20:42:39 +0000
From: Joseph Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Dear Paul,
[e-mail] wrote:
> Questions:
> Where can I purchase fresh buffalo meat which can be delivered via air for a rendezvous?  What cuts do >you recommend?


I have a couple local contacts here in Colorado. Where does it need to
be shipped to and how many tons you need?
Also, when you need it by?
Sincerely,
Joe


- --
Friends of Bill W. and Dr. Bob, Welcome!
To be Happy, Joyous and Free
Joseph Miller, Webmaster
http://www.Colorado-Mall.com
For information on leasing mall space
E-mail: [e-mail]

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:00:26 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Pablo, ol' sod
Sorry fer yer troubles but at least ye warn't sleepin' with no grizzly bars.
I betcha ye wuz moppin' yore head with a blue hankie, too.  Reckon ye could
run me up a copy of thet real purty poem again?  I cain't find mine
ennywhar.
Thankee kindly
Big Zwey
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 8:05 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events


>Regard to the List:
>
>Having just returned from the Canoe Trip From Hell, I have decided my
>remaining energy and ask two questions at the same time.
>
>First, however, thank you to everyone who sent me information or opinions
>about painting a poly canoe.  It was useful.
>
>Second, if I had tried to paint the canoe, this weekend would have
>"antiqued" it to death.  Only 10 to 13 miles, at least two of which was
>dragging or carrying canoes over rocks or shallows.  A joy as the weight
was
>unusual as we took a great deal of water due to the weather.  103 degrees
>actual temperature.  The owner of the property where we started stated
>several matters which should have given us a clue.  {{{{Dam (our unexpected
>takeout as everyone was in a state of collaspe) is "Oh, bout ten or so
miles
>or so.  Never been that far down river.  Suspect you will do a little
>walking.  Don't expect no breeze between the steep banks."}}}}}
>
>The only point he was accurate on pertained to the breeze, and then only to
>a degree.   As we melted, searching of a snippet of shade, we needed a
>breeze or three to cool the sweat.  When we did hit water, and I mean where
>it was of a depth where a paddle stroke would make the canoe go forward,
the
>wind was strong in our faces."
>
>Mother Jones raised a fool.
>
>Questions:
>
>Where can I purchase fresh buffalo meat which can be delivered via air for
a
>rendezvous?  What cuts do you recommend?
>
>Can you give me some suggestions for shooting events that are not, I repeat
>not, related to paper targets?  The more historically correct, or unusal
the
>better.
>
>Thanks again.  I love this list.
>
>Mother Jones' Better Forgotten Son
>Paul W. Jones
>[e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:00:29 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Lanny,
  I thinks I got a copy of that bee-ute-e-ful tome around here some wheres..
Reckon it oughta be shared with the list??
Dennis
   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events


>Pablo, ol' sod
>Sorry fer yer troubles but at least ye warn't sleepin' with no grizzly
bars.
>I betcha ye wuz moppin' yore head with a blue hankie, too.  Reckon ye could
>run me up a copy of thet real purty poem again?  I cain't find mine
>ennywhar.
>Thankee kindly
>Big Zwey
>>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:11:40 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Dennis
I wouldn't mind, but Hiawatha knows where we each live.  "Abair, etc, etc"
WTF,O?
Lanney
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events


>Lanny,
>  I thinks I got a copy of that bee-ute-e-ful tome around here some
wheres..
>Reckon it oughta be shared with the list??
>Dennis
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:06 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events
>
>
>>Pablo, ol' sod
>>Sorry fer yer troubles but at least ye warn't sleepin' with no grizzly
>bars.
>>I betcha ye wuz moppin' yore head with a blue hankie, too.  Reckon ye
could
>>run me up a copy of thet real purty poem again?  I cain't find mine
>>ennywhar.
>>Thankee kindly
>>Big Zwey
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:10:38 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Lanny,
You have a point....But if I can find it.. What the hell.....
  It means.. "Say Little, But Say It Well"   (Scot's Gaelic)
D

   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events


>Dennis
>I wouldn't mind, but Hiawatha knows where we each live.  "Abair, etc, etc"
>WTF,O?
>Lanney

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:16:41 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

I knew that.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events


>Lanny,
>You have a point....But if I can find it.. What the hell.....
>  It means.. "Say Little, But Say It Well"   (Scot's Gaelic)
>D
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:18 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events
>
>
>>Dennis
>>I wouldn't mind, but Hiawatha knows where we each live.  "Abair, etc, etc"
>>WTF,O?
>>Lanney
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 23:13:20 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Yeah, Uh huh... <BG>
   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
- -----Original Message-----
From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events


>I knew that.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis Miles <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 10:12 PM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events
>
>
>>Lanny,
>>You have a point....But if I can find it.. What the hell.....
>>  It means.. "Say Little, But Say It Well"   (Scot's Gaelic)
>>D
>>
>>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Lanney Ratcliff <[e-mail]>
>>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>>Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 11:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events
>>
>>
>>>Dennis
>>>I wouldn't mind, but Hiawatha knows where we each live.  "Abair, etc,
etc"
>>>WTF,O?
>>>Lanney
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:18:13 GMT
From: [e-mail] (PHIL PETERSEN)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Hi Joe.  I am a friend of Bill W. and Dr. Bob!  Ain't it a wonderful way of
life!

Phil
>Dear Paul,
>[e-mail] wrote:
>> Questions:
>> Where can I purchase fresh buffalo meat which can be delivered via air
for a rendezvous?  What cuts do >you recommend?
>
>
>I have a couple local contacts here in Colorado. Where does it need to
>be shipped to and how many tons you need?
>Also, when you need it by?
>Sincerely,
>Joe
>
>
>--
>Friends of Bill W. and Dr. Bob, Welcome!
>To be Happy, Joyous and Free
>Joseph Miller, Webmaster
>http://www.Colorado-Mall.com
>For information on leasing mall space
>E-mail: [e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:37:17 -0500
From: Jim Colburn <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lucien Fontanelle's Hunting Pouch????

Washtahay-
    In a word, NO.  But a very interesting bag nonetheless...It was worth the
5 hours it took to go and examine it.
    Typical hunting bag, single pocket about 8" wide, 9" tall.  Beavertail
flap.  Strap was adjustable with a buckle.  One tooled line on each side of
the strap.  Production horn attached-with a battered wood measure-to straps
integral with the shoulder strap-just strips cut off the side.  Leather was
about  3/16" thick.  No other accouterments.
    The bag was professionally done.  I am inclined to think it was a
production item, as I have seen one like it in southern Missouri, and heard
of another in South Dakota.  It was sewn with 2 lines of stitches on a
machine.  The stitches were "single-thread chain stitch"-as used by one of
the very early sewing machines.  Based on my limited research into the
history of sewing machines, it would probably post-date 1849.  But a very
nice bag.
    What has me wondering are the notes accompanying the bag and other items
in the small collection.  The notes, with various dates in the late 1850s,
stated the bag had belonged to "L. Fontanel".  There were several items of
Indian origin in the collection, some attributed to the "Shian", others
were attributed to the "Sou".  (This man was a worse speller than almost
anyone I know-I saw two spellings of the word 'fort', the rest was similar).
    I am wondering if the bag could have belonged to Logan Fontenelle-son of
Lucien Fontenelle.  I seem to recall he was killed by the Sioux in 1855.
It makes for some interesting speculation, at least.  Does anyone have any
solid information about him (Logan)?  All I have is a few references.
LongWalker c. du B

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 01:42:06 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Lietzau Taxidermy sells a "buffalo sampler" approximately 25 poounds of all
different cuts and ground.  Air Freighted in dry ice.   PJ

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:55:51 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Rit Dye Remover for Hides(Blue Hides)

In a message dated 98-08-01 15:19:23 EDT, you write:

<< ----------(Stuff Deleted)----------- It doesn't surprise me about that sky
blue leather...God knows how the color is applied.----------(Stuff
Deleted)----------- >>

   In the case of these blue hides.......there is a guy that makes the
rendezvous circuit in out area that allways has a stack of these things. The
blue color of these hides is the result of the tanning process used on these
hides, they aren't dyed blue.  Sorry, an't for the life of me remember what
type of process he said was used.  In this case, some folks have good success
using Rit Dye to get them to an acceptable color.

                                                   Longshot

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:44:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Boy were you right.  No buff as some yankee bastards killed them all for sport.

Need the paperless shooting information as I will be range master at a
rendezvous in October and I want to fuck over all of the elitist paper
punching bastards.  One idea is "gentlemen, sit in the canoe.   on command
you will realize Indians are attacking.  you will shoot at xxx target over
your shoulder.  you will then lay flat in the canoe to avoid the arrows
being shot at your ass and reload, points deducted for exposted body parts
or weapons and on command shot at target xxx22.  Get the drift.

Prices have been greatly reduced as to many of the fishing items.  Will call
today when my hand is strong enough to lift the phone.

Paul


>Pablo...
> Tolt ya there wern't no damn water left enough to canoe on....And whats a
>matter..Loose your shootin iron in a crooked whist game? Caint shoot yer own
>damn meat!?!?!
>Dennis
>
>
>   "Abair ach beagan is abair gu math e"
>          DOUBLE EDGE FORGE
>  Period Knives & Iron Accouterments
>    http://www.wesnet.com/deforge1
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Saturday, August 01, 1998 9:14 PM
>Subject: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events
>
>
>>Regard to the List:
>>
>>Having just returned from the Canoe Trip From Hell, I have decided my
>>remaining energy and ask two questions at the same time.
>>
>>First, however, thank you to everyone who sent me information or opinions
>>about painting a poly canoe.  It was useful.
>>
>>Second, if I had tried to paint the canoe, this weekend would have
>>"antiqued" it to death.  Only 10 to 13 miles, at least two of which was
>>dragging or carrying canoes over rocks or shallows.  A joy as the weight
>was
>>unusual as we took a great deal of water due to the weather.  103 degrees
>>actual temperature.  The owner of the property where we started stated
>>several matters which should have given us a clue.  {{{{Dam (our unexpected
>>takeout as everyone was in a state of collaspe) is "Oh, bout ten or so
>miles
>>or so.  Never been that far down river.  Suspect you will do a little
>>walking.  Don't expect no breeze between the steep banks."}}}}}
>>
>>The only point he was accurate on pertained to the breeze, and then only to
>>a degree.   As we melted, searching of a snippet of shade, we needed a
>>breeze or three to cool the sweat.  When we did hit water, and I mean where
>>it was of a depth where a paddle stroke would make the canoe go forward,
>the
>>wind was strong in our faces."
>>
>>Mother Jones raised a fool.
>>
>>Questions:
>>
>>Where can I purchase fresh buffalo meat which can be delivered via air for
>a
>>rendezvous?  What cuts do you recommend?
>>
>>Can you give me some suggestions for shooting events that are not, I repeat
>>not, related to paper targets?  The more historically correct, or unusal
>the
>>better.
>>
>>Thanks again.  I love this list.
>>
>>Mother Jones' Better Forgotten Son
>>Paul W. Jones
>>[e-mail]
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:48:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Boys:  Think meat and more importantly, paperless shooting targets and
contests.  Do not, I repeat, do not spread that bloody poem.  Friendship and
Brotherhood has its limits.  Besides,I am "saved" as this weekend gave me
the John Wayne experience of drinking out of a hoof print.  Paul


>Lanny,
>  I thinks I got a copy of that bee-ute-e-ful tome around here some wheres..
>Reckon it oughta be shared with the list??
>Dennis
>
>>Pablo, ol' sod
>>Sorry fer yer troubles but at least ye warn't sleepin' with no grizzly
>bars.
>>I betcha ye wuz moppin' yore head with a blue hankie, too.  Reckon ye could
>>run me up a copy of thet real purty poem again?  I cain't find mine
>>ennywhar.

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 07:59:25 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

Dear List:  Responding to a friends post, and not paying the least attention
to the point of origin, I used a forbidden four letter word.  I just
realized my unforgiveable error, and I sincerely apologize to any and all
who are offended by the use of the word, and/or my inattention to protocol.

Paul
Paul W. Jones
[e-mail]

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 08:00:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

>Lietzau Taxidermy sells a "buffalo sampler" approximately 25 poounds of all
>different cuts and ground.  Air Freighted in dry ice.   PJ
>
>
Thanks for the information.  Paul

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:17:06 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Dennis Miles)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

But Pablo,
 The poem is an inspiring piece of art. You really think that I should not
share it with the liste..?? My, I believe that sounded like a not_so_veiled
threat...And to me that is a double dog dare..<G>
D


 >Do not, I repeat, do not spread that bloody poem.  Friendship and
>Brotherhood has its limits.  Besides,I am "saved" as this weekend gave me
>the John Wayne experience of drinking out of a hoof print.  Paul

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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 09:33:37 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events

POTTY MOUTH!!!


- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Sunday, August 02, 1998 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buffalo Meat and Shooting Events


>Dear List:  Responding to a friends post, and not paying the least
attention
>to the point of origin, I used a forbidden four letter word.  I just
>realized my unforgiveable error, and I sincerely apologize to any and all
>who are offended by the use of the word, and/or my inattention to protocol.
>
>Paul
>Paul W. Jones
>[e-mail]
>
>
>

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