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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #1096 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, October 14 2002 Volume 01 : Number 1096 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: Query -áááááá MtMan-List: Query -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Query -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Query -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Query -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Query -áááááá MtMan-List: Browning Damascus barrels -áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Browning Damascus barrels -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Query -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Query -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Browning Damascus barrels -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Query -áááááá MtMan-List: Another Brother gone under -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Another Brother gone under -áááááá MtMan-List: Hunting Antelope on the Plains -áááááá MtMan-List: 2003 Fur Trade Symposium Web Page ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:08:52 -0600 From: DONALD R SIMMONS <drsimm@juno.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Query Does anyone know of a source of Turkey WIng feathers ( Naturally Barred ) that I could obtain for some Arrow Fletching projects?? Possibly Canadian Goose would work as well ?? i.e. natural "period" materials to make Injun arrows!! Thanks, Don Simmons - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:08:52 -0600 From: DONALD R SIMMONS <drsimm@juno.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Query Does anyone know of a source of Turkey WIng feathers ( Naturally Barred ) that I could obtain for some Arrow Fletching projects?? Possibly Canadian Goose would work as well ?? i.e. natural "period" materials to make Injun arrows!! Thanks, Don Simmons - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:48:34 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Query - --part1_25.2f002acc.2ad70962_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try Lietzau Taxidermy, Cosmo, Minnesota. Don't think they have a website, so you'll have to call, but they got 'em! Barney - --part1_25.2f002acc.2ad70962_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>Try Lietzau Taxidermy, Cosmo, Minnesota. Don't think they have a website, so you'll have to call, but they got 'em! Barney</HTML> - --part1_25.2f002acc.2ad70962_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:51:10 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Query - --part1_59.22db7d66.2ad709fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/10/2002 8:11:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, drsimm@juno.com writes: > Does anyone know of a source of Turkey WIng feathers <A HREF="http://www.hideandfur.com/">hideandfur.com - Moscow Hide and Fur</A> - --part1_59.22db7d66.2ad709fe_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 10/10/2002 8:11:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, drsimm@juno.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Does anyone know of a source of Turkey WIng feathers </BLOCKQUOTE> <A HREF="http://www.hideandfur.com/">hideandfur.com - Moscow Hide and Fur</A> </HTML> - --part1_59.22db7d66.2ad709fe_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:41:02 EDT From: TrapRJoe@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Query I raise some wild turkeys and have a permit through my state wildlife dept. that allows me to legally. I often pick up good wing feathers. How many do you need. Ridge Pole AKA Joe AKA TrapRJoe - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:54:08 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Query Don, Try: http://www.valleytradarchery.com/ Tell Jerry & Bobbi I said to call, nice people. Jerry can help save you money in the long run by buying what you need the first time. He can provide the right or left wing feathers you prefer, others will probably say "HUH". If you don't know which you prefer you might want to talk with him. John... At 10:08 AM 10/10/02, you wrote: > Does anyone know of a source of Turkey WIng feathers ( Naturally Barred >) that I could >obtain for some Arrow Fletching projects?? >Possibly Canadian Goose would work as well ?? >i.e. natural "period" materials to make Injun arrows!! >Thanks, >Don Simmons >---------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >====================================== >A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should >have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence >from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own >government. - George Washington >==================================== - --George Washington, speech of January 7, 1790, printed in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:06:51 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Browning Damascus barrels Wooooohooooo! After scrounging around for years, I finally found a near mint set of 12ga Damascus barrels. They are 32 inches long and the bores appear to have never been shot. While they look nicely browned, (see at the address) they are more "in the white" as I see them. <A HREF="http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg">db.jpg</A> http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg My question is: Has anyone tried to brown Damascus barrels and still have the "figure" stand out? ....and, of course, how did you do it? I'm thinking rather than using a cold brown, (rust) maybe try some of the hot plumb brown stuff....suggestions? I got them from a local gunsmith that explained to me that they were worthless for shooting anymore.... he took $20 for them and I never mentioned they'd be breeched, and proofed with a double load of black powder....<G> Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:20:0 -0700 From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net> Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Browning Damascus barrels MAGPIE, Why mess with them???? Heating to plum brown might warp them????? They are a beautiful set of barrels, leave them be..... hardtack > [Original Message] > From: <SWcushing@aol.com> > To: <ammlist@xmission.com> > Cc: <BpShotgun@aol.com>; <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Date: 10/10/02 12:06:51 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: Browning Damascus barrels > > Wooooohooooo! > > After scrounging around for years, I finally found a near mint set of 12ga > Damascus barrels. They are 32 inches long and the bores appear to have never > been shot. While they look nicely browned, (see at the address) they are more > "in the white" as I see them. > <A HREF="http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg">db.jpg</A> > http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg > > My question is: Has anyone tried to brown Damascus barrels and still have the > "figure" stand out? ....and, of course, how did you do it? I'm thinking > rather than using a cold brown, (rust) maybe try some of the hot plumb brown > stuff....suggestions? > > I got them from a local gunsmith that explained to me that they were > worthless for shooting anymore.... he took $20 for them and I never mentioned > they'd be breeched, and proofed with a double load of black powder....<G> > > Ymos, > Magpie > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --- Randal Bublitz - --- rjbublitz@earthlink.net we have NOT inherited the Earth from our father - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 19:51:49 -0600 (MDT) From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Query Don, I believe NO MIGRATORY bird parts such as wild goose can ever be purchased or sold. I believe that is a federal offense. Turkey feathers of course come from non-migratory birds. The primary feathers both left and right make the best fletchings however the secondary's and even tail feathers work just fine too. I used them all with great results. Indians used any and all feathers they could get there hands on. Just keep the lefts together and the rights together. Half your arrows will spin right the other half left. The natural curve of the feather creates a helical fletch. Feather dealers usually get more for number 1's feathers with the whole shaft but number 2's (shafts clipped from the wing not plucked) cost less and are fine for fletchings. You can also pick up all the goose feathers you could ever use when they molt in the spring. Just find where they are raising there goslings and wait for the molt. Then take a bag with you and pick them up. beaverboy > Does anyone know of a source of Turkey WIng feathers ( Naturally Barred > ) that I could > obtain for some Arrow Fletching projects?? > Possibly Canadian Goose would work as well ?? > i.e. natural "period" materials to make Injun arrows!! > Thanks, > Don Simmons > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 22:03:21 -0700 From: "ikon" <ikon@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Query Don, Call Raven Arrows at 208-256-4341. They are located in ID. I use to purchase all my goose and turkey feathers from this guy. His number two's are better than most number ones. His goose are excellant. I switched from barred turkey to brown goose feathers as they are alot softer and quieter. These are pen raised critters. Good Luck, Frank - ----- Original Message ----- From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:51 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Query > Don, > I believe NO MIGRATORY bird parts such as wild goose can ever be > purchased or sold. I believe that is a federal offense. Turkey feathers of > course come from non-migratory birds. The primary feathers both left and > right make the best fletchings however the secondary's and even tail > feathers work just fine too. I used them all with great results. Indians > used any and all feathers they could get there hands on. Just keep the > lefts together and the rights together. Half your arrows will spin right > the other half left. The natural curve of the feather creates a helical > fletch. > Feather dealers usually get more for number 1's feathers with the whole > shaft but number 2's (shafts clipped from the wing not plucked) cost less > and are fine for fletchings. > You can also pick up all the goose feathers you could ever use when > they molt in the spring. Just find where they are raising there goslings > and wait for the molt. Then take a bag with you and pick them up. > beaverboy > > > > Does anyone know of a source of Turkey WIng feathers ( Naturally Barred > > ) that I could > > obtain for some Arrow Fletching projects?? > > Possibly Canadian Goose would work as well ?? > > i.e. natural "period" materials to make Injun arrows!! > > Thanks, > > Don Simmons > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:17:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Branson <d49_mbranson@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Browning Damascus barrels - --0-981505306-1034309839=:31243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I looked at your barrels. They look good if all of the barrels look as good as the section you published then you have some nice looking brown barrels. Damascus barrels were originally browned so the beautiful pattern of twisted metal would show through. The steel and iron wire was twisted in many different patterns so that when welded and polished these patterns would show. to re-brown them and hide the pattern would defeat the original gunsmiths plan to let the pattern show. Of course you should do what you think is best. Read WW Greener "The Gun and Its Development" He tries to give a simplified description of the process involved in browning damascus barrels so only the iron was browned and the steel was left in the white. His description is not in enough detail for a gunsmith to work with. In this space it is too difficult to describe what is involved in properly "blacking" english barrels. I suggest you contact someone like Churchhill about having these barrels re-browned properly. SWcushing@aol.com wrote:Wooooohooooo! After scrounging around for years, I finally found a near mint set of 12ga Damascus barrels. They are 32 inches long and the bores appear to have never been shot. While they look nicely browned, (see at the address) they are more "in the white" as I see them. db.jpg http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg My question is: Has anyone tried to brown Damascus barrels and still have the "figure" stand out? ....and, of course, how did you do it? I'm thinking rather than using a cold brown, (rust) maybe try some of the hot plumb brown stuff....suggestions? I got them from a local gunsmith that explained to me that they were worthless for shooting anymore.... he took $20 for them and I never mentioned they'd be breeched, and proofed with a double load of black powder.... Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more faith.yahoo.com - --0-981505306-1034309839=:31243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I looked at your barrels. They look good if all of the barrels look as good as the section you published then you have some nice looking brown barrels. Damascus barrels were originally browned so the beautiful pattern of twisted metal would show through. The steel and iron wire was twisted in many different patterns so that when welded and polished these patterns would show. to re-brown them and hide the pattern would defeat the original gunsmiths plan to let the pattern show. Of course you should do what you think is best. Read WW Greener "The Gun and Its Development" He tries to give a simplified description of the process involved in browning damascus barrels so only the iron was browned and the steel was left in the white. His description is not in enough detail for a gunsmith to work with. In this space it is too difficult to describe what is involved in properly "blacking" english barrels. I suggest you contact someone like Churchhill about having these barrels re-browned properly. SWcushing@aol.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Wooooohooooo! After scrounging around for years, I finally found a near mint set of 12ga Damascus barrels. They are 32 inches long and the bores appear to have never been shot. While they look nicely browned, (see at the address) they are more "in the white" as I see them. <A href="http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg">db.jpg</A> http://www.members.aol.com/swcushing/db.jpg My question is: Has anyone tried to brown Damascus barrels and still have the "figure" stand out? ....and, of course, how did you do it? I'm thinking rather than using a cold brown, (rust) maybe try some of the hot plumb brown stuff....suggestions? I got them from a local gunsmith that explained to me that they were worthless for shooting anymore.... he took $20 for them and I never mentioned they'd be breeched, and proofed with a double load of black powder....<G> Ymos, Magpie ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html</BLOCKQUOTE> <hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!? <a href="http://faith.yahoo.com">Faith Hill</a> - Exclusive Performances, Videos, & more <a href="http://faith.yahoo.com">faith.yahoo.com</a> - --0-981505306-1034309839=:31243-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 06:04:59 -0400 From: "Jim Zeigler" <kodiak@ptd.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Query Call Raven Arrows @ 208-256-4341, they have barred turkey, as well as goose already trimmed at very reasonable prices....Jim - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:17:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Another Brother gone under Received word last week that former Capitaine Hawk Boughton passed away after a long illness. Hawk was a familiar figure to most of the Eastern brothers, and had a long history especially in the Kentucky area. My condolences to his friends and family, may the Sun shine bright in his new stomping grounds. Dog, Hiv. #617, AMM __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 12:24:10 -0400 From: hawknest4@juno.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Another Brother gone under how can we link up with the family--for cards and such---- hawk On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 08:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Ronald Schrotter <mail4dog@yahoo.com> writes: > Received word last week that former Capitaine Hawk > Boughton passed away after a long illness. Hawk was a > familiar figure to most of the Eastern brothers, and > had a long history especially in the Kentucky area. > My condolences to his friends and family, may the Sun > shine bright in his new stomping grounds. Dog, Hiv. > #617, AMM > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: > http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 08:32:10 -0600 (MDT) From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Hunting Antelope on the Plains Dear List, Antelope season opens tomorrow in Montana and though I did not draw a tag I am reminiscing about past hunts. For the uninitiated into ôgoatö hunting you would think it was impossible to ever get close enough for a shot as they inhabit the most vast open sage flats and grasslands. Stalks can and are done successfully on them repeatedly. Hopefully the area you hunt has a little relief in the landscape to aid in the hunt. Care must be given to the wind as antelope pay close attention with their nose as well as their binocular eyesight. Stalks are done on a grand scale. Sometimes a hunter must circle miles and miles around a herd to get in position for a hunt without alarming the animals. Then if he or she is a true hunter they leave the road and start the stalk on foot. If you havenÆt crawled on your hands and knees after antelope you are either the luckiest antelope hunter alive or an unsuccessful one! In this day and age of belted magnum rifles it is not necessary to get as close as years past but I try to get within 100-200 yards of them. The true antelope hunter uses but one shot for the kill or he dresses like a squaw! You Wyoming boys know what I mean by that. * The true hunter also never takes a running shot at antelope or any other big game. Curiosity has been the downfall of many a ôlopeö. Most of you have heard of flagging antelope, the art of waving a red or other colored flag as you lay on the ground to attract this curious animal. Well, I myself have had not much luck with this procedure and have actually scared them away by doing it. I seem to attract the curious ones by accident. Once while checking a coyote trap on the prairie I notice a heard of antelope wondering what I was doing. I laid down on the ground and they walked up to within 40 yards of me. Then after I killed my last antelope I wheeled my bright blue wheelbarrow out to retrieve it. So there I was on the prairie, the tallest thing for a hundred miles with a blue wheelbarrow, a camera set up on a tripod and my .06 sitting on the ground propped up by its bipod. This must have been quite a site for the antelope as a nicer buck than the one I had down approached to within 100 yards of me to investigate! The next antelope tag I draw I will just sit on the highest knoll in a red lawn chair reading a good book with my bright blue wheelbarrow and camera on a tripod next to me! Necessities of an antelope hunt are a lot of patience a flat shooting, accurate rifle equipped with bipod. A good accurate flinter could do the job but your talking long range shooting here, better be good with it. A good pair of binoculars are a must, and kneepads might not be a bad idea for when you have to crawl. Also be sure to have a backstop for you bullet before firing. Beaverboy *Wyoming has an annual one-shot antelope hunt. Multiple shot hunters must dress up like a squaw. Who can forget the image of former Secretary of the Interior James Watt dressed up like a squaw after his unsuccessful one-shot hunt! Yuk! It was not a very attractive picture! - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 22:44:41 -0600 (MDT) From: <beaverboy@sofast.net> Subject: MtMan-List: 2003 Fur Trade Symposium Web Page Dear List, I'm not sure if I mentioned this already but I'll say it anyway. The 2003 Fur Trade Symposium has a web page now, it is : www.fortbenton.com/symposium/ index.htm This should be a very good symposium in the heart of fur trade country. One highlight is the tour of 10 fur trade post sites! Ten of them! This would also be a great chance for the hardy ones to float the White Cliffs of the Missouri. You can launch right from the front gates of Fort Benton! BB - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #1096 ******************************** - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.