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hist_text-digest      Thursday, October 10 2002      Volume 01 : Number 1095



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Fw: AMM-List: Daniel L. "Concho" Smith
-áááááá MtMan-List: Northern Lights... Now & Then
-áááááá MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Northern Lights... Now & Then
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: Northern Lights... Now & Then
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?
-áááááá MtMan-List: hello Paul Jones
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 06:28:20 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fw: AMM-List: Daniel L. "Concho" Smith

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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Buck Conner ~ LenapeSociety ~ AmericanMountainMen ~=20
  To: [e-mail]=20
  Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:56 PM
  Subject: AMM-List: Daniel L. "Concho" Smith


  Let it me known that Daniel L. "Concho" Smith has moved to the other =
side as of early this morning 10/04/2002. Remembered for his witt, =
craftsmanship and the always present smile ready to sing you a song or =
play a tune. Many knew him as "Concho" with no other name in the F&I War =
to Fur Trade circles from Colorado to many sites heading East.

  A man of many talents, smithing to quill work, several on this list =
wear his wares made over a 30 year period. A regular at Ft.deChartre, =
Bent's, Ft. Osage and many western events that expanded into the =
furtherest northern points in resent years. A Pennsylvania, Missouri and =
Colorado muzzle loading Champion many times over, best know in the 80's =
for his long string of 50 - 5X's at major events in the states mentioned =
as well as other contests of one's skills.

  With a mild manner, there was another side that most know little of =
from years gone bye, a Navy Seal from Seal Team One, having won a Purple =
Heart and the Navy Cross for his work in Nam in the early 60's, there =
making association with the late Ben "Capt.Hook" Thompson, also of the =
same unit.

  A friend of Charles Hanson, Jr., may all our brothers be breaking =
bread as you read this last post for an old friend.

  A member of the original "Outhouse Gang" of Colorado, which seems to =
be slowly going to the other side, the old saying about the good one's =
go first is starting to "ring" true.

  . Ben F. "Capt.Hook" Thompson craftsman, researcher

  . Dick "Keelboat" Whitmer * gun builder, researcher

  . Harvey "Plenty Whiskey" Wood * researcher, craftsman

  . Dick "Pony Tracks" Spencer * publisher, researcher

  . David L. "Brass Turtle" Sample * trader, researcher

  . John "Step" Musike lawman, researcher

  Barry "Buck" Conner * trader, researcher

  . Gary "Slim" Slivers US Army pilot, researcher

  Kermit "Powderhawk" Trustem craftsman, researcher

  . Daniel L. "Concho" Smith researcher, craftsman

  . Lee R. "Turtle" Boyer researcher, teacher

  --------------------------------

  . Original "members" from the mid 60's through the 80's that have =
passed on.

                                * AMM Brothers

  Thank you for your time and a chance to remember our friend "Concho".

  Take care,
  Buck Conner=20

  AMM Free Trapper

  -------------------------------------

  If one of you that's on the "hist_list" would please put this on there =
as "Concho" was a regular on that mailing, (I have not been on that list =
since the "Raven Gal" was going on about nothing a year or so ago).

  Thanks

  Buck



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  <P>Let it me known that Daniel L. "Concho" Smith has moved to the =
other side=20
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craftsmanship=20
  and the always present smile ready to sing you a song or play a tune. =
Many=20
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Trade=20
  circles from Colorado to many sites heading East.</P>
  <P>A man of many talents, smithing to quill work, several on this list =
wear=20
  his wares made over a 30 year period. A regular at Ft.deChartre, =
Bent's, Ft.=20
  Osage and many western events that expanded into the furtherest =
northern=20
  points in resent years. A Pennsylvania, Missouri and Colorado muzzle =
loading=20
  Champion many times over, best know in the 80=92s for his long string =
of 50 -=20
  5X=92s at major events in the states mentioned as well as other =
contests of=20
  one=92s skills.</P>
  <P>With a mild manner, there was another side that most know little of =
from=20
  years gone bye, a Navy Seal from Seal Team One, having won a Purple =
Heart and=20
  the Navy Cross for his work in Nam in the early 60's, there making =
association=20
  with the late Ben "Capt.Hook" Thompson, also of the same unit.</P>
  <P>A friend of Charles Hanson, Jr., may all our brothers be breaking =
bread as=20
  you read this last post for an old friend.</P>
  <P>A member of the original "Outhouse Gang" of Colorado, which seems =
to be=20
  slowly going to the other side, the old saying about the good one=92s =
go first=20
  is starting to "ring" true.</P>
  <DIR>
  <DIR>
  <DIR>
  <P>=95 Ben F. "Capt.Hook" Thompson craftsman, researcher</P>
  <P>=95 Dick "Keelboat" Whitmer * gun builder, researcher</P>
  <P>=95 Harvey "Plenty Whiskey" Wood * researcher, craftsman</P>
  <P>=95 Dick "Pony Tracks" Spencer * publisher, researcher</P>
  <P>=95 David L. "Brass Turtle" Sample * trader, researcher</P>
  <P>=95 John "Step" Musike lawman, researcher</P></DIR>
  <P>Barry "Buck" Conner * trader, researcher</P>
  <DIR>
  <P>=95 Gary "Slim" Slivers US Army pilot, researcher</P></DIR>
  <P>Kermit "Powderhawk" Trustem craftsman, researcher</P>
  <DIR>
  <P>=95 Daniel L. "Concho" Smith researcher, craftsman</P>
  <P>=95 Lee R. "Turtle" Boyer researcher, teacher</P></DIR>
  <P>--------------------------------</P>
  <DIR>
  <P>=95 Original "members" from the mid 60=92s through the 80=92s that =
have passed=20
  on.</P></DIR></DIR></DIR>
  =
<P>           &nbs=
p;            =
;      *=20
  AMM Brothers<BR><BR>Thank you for your time and a chance to remember =
our=20
  friend "Concho".</P>
  <P>Take care,<BR>Buck Conner </P></FONT><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D2>
  <P>AMM Free Trapper</P>
  <P>-------------------------------------</P>
  <P>If one of you that's on the "hist_list" would please put this on =
there as=20
  "Concho" was a regular on that mailing, (I have not been on that list =
since=20
  the "Raven Gal" was going on about nothing a year or so ago).</P>
  <P>Thanks</P>
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:30:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Northern Lights... Now & Then

Dear List,
         This morning I left for work at 3:30 AM and was greeted with the
Northern Lights!  They were very bright and at first appeared to be the
glow of a distant city, but of course there are no big cities near me to
the north. I sometimes stop on the road and watch them for a while as they
dance around. I could detect a bit of green in them this morning but
usually they look just white to me. I almost always think of Osborne
RussellÆs experience with the Northern Lights and Indians when I see them.
          Russell writes about the Northern Lights as his brigade of
trappers prepared a fortress to thwart an expected Indian
attack. ô(February 22nd, 1837) This being completed (the breastwork) at
dark a double guard was mounted and all remained quiet but it was a bitter
Cold night. I mounted guard from 9 till 12 oclk the weather was clear the
stars shone with an unusual luster and the trees cracked like pistols
about 10 oclk the northern lights commenced streaming up darting flashing
rushing to and fro like the movements of an army at length the shooting
and flashing died away and gradually turned to a deep blood red spreading
over one half of the sky. This awful and sublime phenomenon ( if I may be
allowed to mingle such terms) last near two hours then gradually
disappeared-and being relieved by the morning guard I went to bed and
slept soundly till SunriseàThe next dayàThe Chief who wore a white blanket
came forward a few steps and gave us the signal that he should not fight
but return to his villageàà. We came to the conclusionàthat the wonderful
appearance of the heavens a few nights previous connected with our strong
fortification had caused them to abandon the ground without an attack
which is very probable as all Indians are very superstitious. We supposed
on examining their Camp next day that (their) numbers must have been about
eleven hundred who had started from their village with the determination
of rubbing us from the face of the earth but that the Great spirit had
shown them that their side of the heavens was bloody whilst ours was Clear
and Sereneö.
         What a great journal!
                  Beaverboy





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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:06:17 -0600
From: "Angela Gottfred" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?

On another list, someone was wondering whether Witney Woollen Mills, of
Witney, Oxfordshire, England, has closed their doors. Does anyone know
for sure what the story is?

Your very humble & most obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred



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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:08:37 -0700
From: "Prince, John" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Northern Lights... Now & Then

I just finished reading Russel's journel for the first time. His
descriptions of the places and sights he saw was truly inspiring. What
impressed me most of all however, is just how well read and bright
these adventurers were! While he was at one of the forts he states
that his companions amused themselves by reading Bryon's Shakesphere,
Sir Walter Scott's work, and the Bible. While the Bible was not
surprising, the first two certainly were! Even in modern colleges
these two works are not every day reading!

J. Prince


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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:08:37 -0700
From: "Prince, John" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: Northern Lights... Now & Then

I just finished reading Russel's journel for the first time. His
descriptions of the places and sights he saw was truly inspiring. What
impressed me most of all however, is just how well read and bright
these adventurers were! While he was at one of the forts he states
that his companions amused themselves by reading Bryon's Shakesphere,
Sir Walter Scott's work, and the Bible. While the Bible was not
surprising, the first two certainly were! Even in modern colleges
these two works are not every day reading!

J. Prince


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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:01:15 -0600
From: "Gene Hickman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?

Why don't we e-mail them and ask?

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From: "Angela Gottfred" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:06 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?


> On another list, someone was wondering whether Witney Woollen Mills, of
> Witney, Oxfordshire, England, has closed their doors. Does anyone know
> for sure what the story is?
>
> Your very humble & most obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:46:51 -0500
From: "Paul Jones" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?

Just discussed this matter with the Witney importer, and the rumor is
untrue.  The factory has moved.  Not out of business and not going out of
business.


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From: "Angela Gottfred" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:06 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?


> On another list, someone was wondering whether Witney Woollen Mills, of
> Witney, Oxfordshire, England, has closed their doors. Does anyone know
> for sure what the story is?
>
> Your very humble & most obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:37:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: hello Paul Jones

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Paul,

It is good to see you posting again.  Havent seen you post in some time.
Welcome back.

frank sablan
Midland,Texas

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Paul,<BR>
<BR>
It is good to see you posting again.  Havent seen you post in some time.  Welcome back.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:20:03 -0600
From: "Michael Powell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?

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All,
The rumors of Whitney's demise is greatly in error.  They are merely relo=
cating down the road in the little town in which they do business.  There=
 has been some speculation as to the influx of competion to the Whitney p=
roduct but this too is false.  Whitney is not intimidated by competitors.=
  Anyone needing more info, I would invite you to contact Paul Mueller at=
 Northwest Traders.  The only change I do know is that Whitney's 4Pt blan=
kets now retail for $149, up $10 from about 8 months ago.  I go through a=
pprox 30-40 Whitneys a year and make many capotes and other products and =
Whitney quality is at the top of my list for the price.
Mike Powell  =20

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From: Gene Hickman
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:41 PM
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing? =20

Why don't we e-mail them and ask?

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From: "Angela Gottfred" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:06 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing? =20


> On another list, someone was wondering whether Witney Woollen Mills, of
> Witney, Oxfordshire, England, has closed their doors. Does anyone know
> for sure what the story is?
> =20
> Your very humble & most obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
> =20
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V>The rumors of Whitney's demise is greatly in error.  They are mere=
ly relocating down the road in the little town in which they do business.=
  There has been some speculation as to the influx of competion to t=
he Whitney product but this too is false.  Whitney is not intimidate=
d by competitors.  Anyone needing more info, I would invite you to c=
ontact Paul Mueller at Northwest Traders.  The only change I do know=
 is that Whitney's 4Pt blankets now retail for $149, up $10 fro=
m about 8 months ago.  I go through approx 30-40 Whitneys a year and=
 make many capotes and other products and Whitney quality is at the top o=
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tney, Oxfordshire, England, has closed their doors. Does anyone know<BR>&=
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:08:49 -0600
From: Ole Jensen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?

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on 10/9/02 11:20 PM, Michael Powell at [e-mail] wrote:

All,

The rumors of Whitney's demise is greatly in error.  They are merely
relocating down the road in the little town in which they do business.
There has been some speculation as to the influx of competion to the Whitney
product but this too is false.  Whitney is not intimidated by competitors.
Anyone needing more info, I would invite you to contact Paul Mueller at
Northwest Traders.  The only change I do know is that Whitney's 4Pt blankets
now retail for $149, up $10 from about 8 months ago.  I go through approx
30-40 Whitneys a year and make many capotes and other products and Whitney
quality is at the top of my list for the price.

Mike Powell




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From: Gene Hickman

Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:41 PM

To: [e-mail]

Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?


Why don't we e-mail them and ask?

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From: "Angela Gottfred" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:06 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing?


> On another list, someone was wondering whether Witney Woollen Mills, of
> Witney, Oxfordshire, England, has closed their doors. Does anyone know
> for sure what the story is?
>
> Your very humble & most obedient servant,
> Angela Gottfred
>
>
>
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Gentelmen,
Hudson Bay is priced high and Whitney is getting there, Barron is out of
buisiness. How many other Blanket manufacturers are there and what are there
names and how do you get a hold of them?
Ole

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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>All,<BR>
 <BR>
The rumors of Whitney's demise is greatly in error.  They are merely r=
elocating down the road in the little town in which they do business.  =
There has been some speculation as to the influx of competion to the Whitney=
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ors.  Anyone needing more info, I would invite you to contact Paul Muel=
ler at Northwest Traders.  The only change I do know is that Whitney's =
4Pt blankets now retail for $149, up $10 from about 8 months ago.  I go=
 through approx 30-40 Whitneys a year and make many capotes and other produc=
ts and Whitney quality is at the top of my list for the price.<BR>
 <BR>
Mike Powell  <BR>
 <BR>
 <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE> <BR>
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<B>From:</B> Gene Hickman<BR>
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<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:41 PM<BR>
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<B>To:</B> [e-mail]<BR>
 <BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing? <BR>
 <BR>
 <BR>
Why don't we e-mail them and ask?<BR>
<BR>
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From: "Angela Gottfred" <[e-mail]><BR>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:06 AM<BR>
Subject: MtMan-List: Witney Mills closing? <BR>
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> On another list, someone was wondering whether Witney Woollen Mills, o=
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> Witney, Oxfordshire, England, has closed their doors. Does anyone know=
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> for sure what the story is?<BR>
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> Your very humble & most obedient servant,<BR>
> Angela Gottfred<BR>
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